#anti tlh

[sunnydust2003]

Me slander my least favorite characters be like:

(Also Mahiru is support be me lol).

[tamlindudley]

The main argument I see about not shipping Matthew/Cordelia is that they are "better as friends" which is so funny to me because that's exactly the point? The book claims James and Cordelia are friends to lovers but they just aren't? They barely communicate, they even get together because someone else (Grace) did the communicating for them. Matthew and Cordelia would've done the friends to lovers trope so much better because they were actually friends who talked that were also attracted to each other, as opposed to childhood crushes refusing to talk the whole time.

[victoriannarwhal]

The Last Hours and especially Chain of Thorns feels so sanitized like even the slightest bit of conflict is brushed over and anything that isn't a positive emotion seems demonized. The characters are too perfect and unrelatable. Also, CC really needs to learn to kill her darlings. Nothing is really at stake.

[poppitron360]

Jason Grace, consistently telling Leo he is awesome.

Name one other character that does that. I dare you.

[demigod-shenanigans]

Thinking about the lost trio’s mortal parents

Thinking about Esperanza and Beryl both being clear-sighted (it’s said that Beryl knew who Zeus was, both times, and Esperanza specifically talked to Leo about his powers and seemed to know who Hera was).

Thinking about Beryl, who was famous and had so much and who did everything to stay in the public eye. Who would have given it all, including sacrificing her own kids, to get Zeus’ attention back. Who only ever wanted Zeus for herself and never for her children. Who named Jason to placate Juno’s anger and ultimately gave up Jason to her. Who even in death remained bitter and blamed Thalia running away for her own choices and her death, saying she left when Beryl needed her the most, despite the fact that Thalia was nine and severely neglected and thought Beryl had killed her brother and an adult’s choices should never have been her responsibility to begin with. Beryl blamed it all on Olympus and showed no regret for her actions. Who thought she could just neglect both of her children and abandon her two year old with no consequences and that Jason would still join her. Who only cared about Jason once he was a hero and a warrior, and even then only cared for him as a tool of revenge she could use against the gods.

Thinking about Esperanza, who had nothing. Who was smart and skilled and barely scraping by despite her degree. Who would have given everything to keep her son safe. Who had a son prophecied to be a hero and tried to look the Fates in the eye and say no, because he was her son first and destined for bigger things second. Who banned Hera, the queen of the gods, from their apartment because the gods couldn’t have Leo, not yet, not when he was still so young. Who still tried to prepare Leo, with everything she had, because she knew she couldn’t keep him from his fate in the long run, but also knew there were at least tools she could give him that would help. Who, despite knowing that a god had once loved her, only wanted Hephaestus as a father for Leo, never as a partner for herself. Who only ever worried about the ways she could fail Leo, never about him failing her. Who was happiest around her son and loved him more than her own life. Who, even in death, never could have blamed Leo.

Thinking about Tristan, who is in some ways a mirror to both Beryl and Esperanza. Tristan grew up with nothing and eventually, as an adult, he suddenly had everything, except the things that really mattered to him. He couldn’t keep Aphrodite and never fell in love again after her. Tristan can’t see through the Mist, but he had his heart shattered by the mythological world anyway, even without seeing. He couldn’t save his father because at the time he didn’t have the money to pay for the treatment, he only became famous after.

His relationship with his daughter is really strained. He’s probably terrified of losing Piper like he lost his dad and Piper’s mom. Tristan works and works and works because he thinks if they just have enough he can keep Piper safe (because even if he couldn’t have kept her mom that way, enough money absolutely could have saved his dad), but that makes him unable to give Piper his attention, which is what she needs the most. Hell, he thinks he’s protecting her by keeping her away from his celebrity nonsense, and in a way he sort of is, but it’s not what Piper wants.

Thinking about Tristan seeing through the Mist in TLH and breaking. Thinking about Tristan finally seeing Piper, and her having to give up the one thing she’s wanted all this time and make him look away again because it shatters him.

Esperanza and Beryl could both see their children for who they were, one for the better, the other for the worse. Tristan can never see Piper for who she truly is. We’ve seen how it would destroy him if he did.

Thinking about Tristan losing everything until the only thing he has left to give Piper is his attention—and that’s enough. (I still wish that had been a choice on his part after realizing that’s what Piper wants and needs instead of being forced on him, but I digress.)

Tristan could have been more like Beryl. Their stories are decently similar. But even though he can never fully see Piper for who she is, and even though it took him longer than it should have, when his daughter needed him most, he turned around and learned to be more like Esperanza.

[pansexual-lilychen]

”we need more complex female characters“

y‘all couldn’t even handle her

[edwinspaynes]

Cassie clearly wrote Qoaad in a rush and it shows in its poor plotting and backwards character development. She also clearly took 5-6 years to write ChoG and it was amazing. TWP peeps are going to get an amazing book BECAUSE she's taking this time to let it soak in and marinate. Rushing = low quality books, so there is no reason to complain

[rinadragomir]

No but like talk shit about me, say that im being the meanest bitch idc but FOR THE LOVE OF GOD WHY WOULD SHE START ANOTHER YA FANTASY SERIES IF SHE HASN'T FINISHED WITH TSC AND SWORD CATCHER YET?!

ANOTHER! For fuck sake WOMAN PLEASE FINISH THIS ONE, your young adults have turned into actual adults with their own families. I'll get violent if that series THAT NOBODY ASKED FOR will end in second or third TWP book releasing later than it's supposed to.

"She has a right to try new things, maybe she's tired of TSC" —

WELL THEN MAYBE SHE CAN FINISH TSC, LET IT FINALLY REST IN PEACE AND MOVE ON?! Instead of being like

"ohhh I'm so tired, being rich and famous is so exhausting, I have million of books to finish and I have no idea when I'll do it BUT HEY~ maybe I should start another YA series?😋"

Please no PLEASE STOP, look at me Cassie, you've just told me that I might get one of the Seasons of Shadowhunters books in the end of 2025/ beginning of 2026. Don't do this to me, I'm genuinely happy for you and the Sword Catcher, it was great, BUT MAYBE IT'S TIME TO FOCUS ON THOSE 5346743 projects which "haven't been scheduled yet".

I defend her every single decision, so I'M CERTAINLY not a hater, I've been promoting her books way more than her "promotion bloggers". But there's no way she'll complain about being too busy to write the books we've been waiting for years and then go: so I found a solution! I'll start a new series!

This is a cursed year

[spacehero-23]

I know I always shit on Grace because of the SA scenes. But can talk about Cassandra Clare being a little FREAK for actually writing them?

Because those scenes have NO reason for existing. Why is Grace kissing James if he's already under her control? And we have to read not one, but THREE separate scenes of him being SAed? For what? What was the reason Cassie?

And the Matthew one!? She has Grace force him to kiss her, threaten to tell people that HE was the one who SA her! And then she makes him forget and it's never mentioned again. So it's not like it was important to the plot. Clare was just a freak who decided to include FOUR SA scenes in her YA series, apparently for shits and giggles!

At least when Sebastian did it in TMI it was obvious that we're meant hate him for it, and be disgusted. At least in those books it was treated with some respect. But in TLH? She gives the person who did it a redemption arc and doesn't even have the balls to write a proper confrontation or an apology.

I have A LOT of issues with Cassie but this one takes the cake.

[4uru]

Charles : *breathes*

Cordelia: the lord tests me everyday with your existence.

[tamlindudley]

I’m done thank fuck. Blackthorn and Fairchild supremacy. The end.

[victoriannarwhal]

Glad, Christopher "victims have to forgive their abusers" and "victims who don't forgive their abusers are just as bad" is the character that dies. Justice for being a little bitch.

[stabbydragon]

*clears throat* Can we just talk about how unfair it was that Cordelia was the one who got to kill Tatiana? Like there were a million other people who were way more qualified.

I’m pretty sure most people, like me, were rooting for Grace. After all, she was the one that Tatiana hurt most by physically abusing her, making her into a weapon, forcing her to brainwash James which made everyone she cares about mad at her, etc. Not to mention that Christopher, one of her only friends, the only person who defended her, and the one who encouraged her to pursue her passion for science, had just been MURDERED by Tatiana! And like, Grace was RIGHT THERE with a knife to Tatiana’s throat! Then CORDELIA had to come and ruin everything by summoning Lillith! WTF!?

Jesse was another person who had been hurt by Tatiana. This bitch, who he thought cared about him despite her flaws, as a mother should, SOLD HIM TO BELIAL so he could be possessed and forced to murder people which he would never do under any circumstances of his own free will! The guilt the poor boy must have gone through because of this bitch! Although personally, I don’t think he would be capable of murder, but it would have been better than fucking CORDELIA.

Also, the idea of either Jesse or Grace doing it to avenge their sibling? 😭

My second choice after Grace would be Lucie, who would be furious both because of Jesse being possessed, and because she had just found out that Tatiana had been the one to ruin James and Cordelia’s marriage, causing both her brother and parabatai a lot of pain. It would have set the scene for a fascinating conversation between her and Jesse regarding how they both felt about Tatiana’s death (the same is true for Grace) because I need more Ghostwriter scenes. Also, if she killed her partially on Grace’s behalf, it would better showcase what could have been a beautiful dynamic that desperately needs to be explored further. I need these too to become besties immediately! Lucie, unlike her boyfriend, totally deserved to be a morally ambiguous character. She had so much potential for stabbiness, so where’s all the stabbiness? It’s so unfair that she never gets to stab someone ONCE because she’s a main character and therefore needs to be morally perfect even though people who grew as rich as she did are the ones most likely to be evil. Besides, she could have ordered a ghost to do it while Lucie herself was far away, giving her an alibi, and any witnesses would not have seen the ghost. Honestly my preference would be if Lucie and Grace teamed up to do it together in Jesse’s name.

EVEN FUCKING JAMES a would have been a better option, not that I would like it much. He was the one who was brainwashed since he was fourteen after all. He was the one who kept on accidentally breaking his wife’s heart because of the gracelet.

While Cordelia was still hurt by Tatiana’s actions, she was farther removed from the situation. But because sHe’S tHe PrOtAgOnIsT, she had to be the one to do it. Not even of her own volition, but because she was being manipulated by a greater demon. Imagine all of your protagonists being so heroic and morally sound that they can’t even neutralize someone as twisted and dangerous and inhumane and this bitch without being physically magically controlled by Lillith herself. Is there anything more boring?

And what really makes me angry is that she finally gave in due to the death of one Christopher Lightwood, a character with whom she had no established dynamic. If this was CC’s plan all along, she could have made it so they had at least one single fucking conversation alone??? If the main catalyst for Tatiana’s death was Kit’s murder, then practically ANY OTHER CHARACTER a would have been better. Cecily and Gabriel and the others were in Idris but, once again, there’s Grace, Lucie, James, Thomas, Anna, Matthew, etc. Hell, even Rosamund Wentworth, who arrives pretty soon after Kit’s death, knew him longer than Cordelia!

*Ahem* Thank you for listening to my PSA

[thousand-winters]

You know, I keep thinking about how CC said she always planned to kill Christopher and I'm a little... yikes about it. It's not even about the killing, stories always have deaths and such, the thing that got me the most is the "that's why I gave him a younger brother to keep the bloodline" or whatever, I'm paraphrasing here

Logically I know this is the past and we gotta get to the modern Lightwoods somehow but... It just feels icky to me. I guess it's also in part bc back when I was reading and I got there, I made my little mental list of why the others couldn't be killed and Christopher was the easy choice

It comes down to his death being SO unnecessary for the plot and the development of the other characters, the kind of story this is. Shock value death (which makes me not truly believe she planned it from the beginning but let's pretend she did)

It's about how he was easy to kill bc he wasn't part of a ship, regardless of if it made sense, and the explanation is "someone already can fulfill the family purpose"

[pansexual-lilychen]

i honestly think alastair & grace should just drop their siblings and become each other’s siblings because they’re both better and more caring siblings than cordelia & jesse

[lesbocrocker]

Why do you hate Jordelia? Lol I don't mind, I'm not very emotionally invested in them either way, but I'm super curious

Alright Herondaisy stans please scroll im about to be very mean

tw for incoherency

It’s just aaaaaarrrrrrgggggghhhhh in a bad way yk. Like there is no growth in this ship. Nothing happens apart from James talks about Cordelia’s tits. Like, you’re not special for that James. Your literal sister had more chemistry with your literal wife.

chog herondaisy is basically cordelia going ‘when will he notice me :(((((‘ while james goes ‘hm. 🙂’

and THEN Cordelia decides to defend James for fucking burning a house down by saying that she fucked him. Now, if I’d had a crush on a guy for years and he hadn’t even noticed me, I would most likely cheered when his ass went to jail. You’re better then me daisy.

and then we have that stupid fucking fake marriage. I want to preface by saying I really fucking hate fake marriage. basically all that happens there is horny chess playing for sooooo fucking long. Also that fucking whispering room scene. seriously it’s such a fucking cliche. ‘oh no we’re in trouble we should kiss’ AAAAAARRRRRRGGGGGHHBKVOKFJFGUFFSQTHJVF

and then we finally get to chot Herondaisy. this is where i enter my will wood era. In his words: ‘I am shitting. I am pissing. I am holding a toaster over a bath and sobbing the merciful name of G-d.’

the only good thing i got from chot herondaisy was james when fairstairs walked in making out because that shit was hilarious to me.

but oh my godddddd. Cordelia going ‘actually i choose my own man 💪💪💪’ WE ALL KNOW YOURE GOING TO PICK JAMES HOLY SHIT

Anyway they angsted for a bit then Christopher ‘The Cupid Of This Shit’ Lightwood came and single-handedly (well he had grace to help him) saved their marriage.

THEN they fucked. a lot. the end.

also cordelia is like very weirdly sexualised through the whole thing? like yes cc we get it this seventeen year old woc has massive tits okay???

ALSO it seriously feels like to me that it’s a childhood crush on both of their parts that they should have grown out of years ago.

so yeah it’s just a very flat and annoying ship to me and i am genuinely wishing divorce on them.