#anti steggy fans

[autumnrory]

really and truly unless it's a discussion about why peggy/steggy fans shouldn't like endgame, at this point idk why people feel the need to continually make the argument about her having a family as if that's the biggest problem about the ending especially when i figure most people are of the belief that it was another timeline or whatever idk what the current consensus on that is in the mcu and i don't care

but what about the fact that it destroyed steve's family? does that not matter because it's not the standard spouse and children but is instead a family he built for himself with sam and nat and bucky? because it's easier to decide steve is a selfish asshole and always has been instead of acknowledging that that storyline did more of a disservice to him than to anyone else? like oh maybe peggy's family was erased and that's horrible but it doesn't matter that steve's family was abandoned in the midst of the kind of trauma he knows very well?

i've said it before but it makes me so sad that so many people just turned on steve and decided a decade of movies don't matter in the face of one shitty desperate attempt of a movie to make him look like a pathetic creep just so they could justify their heterosexual nonsense ending

[kittenfangirl20]

I don’t get why some Stucky fans act as if Steve barely knew Peggy because we didn’t see every interaction on screen. I felt as if the way they interacted pointed to the fact that they knew each other quite well. I am not saying that this means that she was a childhood friend with Steve like Bucky was, but I don’t think that the only time that they spent time around each other was when we saw them together on screen.

[lunarspiral1127]

*SPOILERS*

Okay, how is it that when she punched Strange Supreme with all six Infinity stones, her arm isn't burned? She's not wearing the Infinity armor anymore so all that power was concentrated in her fist instead of spread out. Hell, back in GOTG, Quill took the Power stone and he was in pain and he's half celestial. Thanos, Hulk, Tony, they all had their arms and some of their sided burned. How is she okay?! And it can't be because she's a super soldier, cause we've had beings stronger than her get burned by just snapping alone!

*sigh* Anyway, Strange is dead. Apparently, the episode really is using his grief as an excuse for him being this way, and he prevented his demon side to do anything while they were falling and sacrifices himself to bring back his universe, and Christine.....f***ing bullcrap. They really did Strange Supreme dirty in this season. They ruined his character all because they couldn't come up with another multiversal threat? Why couldn't it be Kang the Conquerer?! That would've been so much better. But, nope. It's Strange and he's gone.

Also, can we please stop propping up Captain Carter so much?! We get it, she's awesome, she's bad@$$, but there are other characters who are just as awesome or even more awesome that we should be seeing. I don't care if she's the main character in what's supposed to be an episodic series. Can we just move on from Peggy and focus on someone else for a change?! Yeah, there was Kahhori who was really cool, but Peggy was still the main focus here.

And, Loki's tree at the end. Does this mean that in season 3, it's gonna be Uatu AND Peggy narrating? I really hope not.

[bittwitchy]

cw anti st*ggy and st*cky joke:

its funny how much i hate st*ggy considering i also dont like st*cky romantically

[cblgblog]

I still see virulent anti takes against Peggy and Steggy on MCU Tumblr and I have to say, it's Very Telling that all this Peggy hate only started up after Endgame. The same people calling Peggy Steve's abuser or saying she's a N/zi were fine with Peggy when they thought Steggy was dead in the water as a ship and not a threat to their own preferred ships and endings for Steve. TWS-era hardcore St/ckys were talking about how great it was that Peggy and Steve were still friends and making headcanons and fanart where they had a good relationship and Steve was proud of Peggy's accomplishments (even though TWS revealed Zola infiltrated SHIELD so if they really thought Peggy was a N/zi or was responsible for Operation Paperclip, they would've said so back then, no?). The only real reason there's so much Peggy/Steggy hate now is because Steggy is endgame, they canonically got married and grew old together, and what used to be a non-threatening, past-tense romance became the main obstacle to everyone else's fan theories.

Yup. All this. It’s amazing how a character’s entire personality and personal history changes when a certain ship doesn’t sail, isn’t it?

Peggy’s fine, when she’s not a threat. After EG? Oh she’s a Nazi and she actually assaulted him that time, and she’s a violent sociopath who tried to kill him.

Steve, of course, can't be forgotten, and is clearly, canonically now a racist MAGA Republican who gets his dinner cooked for him by Peggy promptly at 5pm every night. He also pushes elderly women into traffic instead of helping them cross the street, and he throws rocks at small children.

It's canon, guys, look it up.

[peggysousoversteggy]

Just felt the need to rant, much like my post about anti steggy fans who hate Peggy, how the fuck are you anti dousy for the complete wrong reason!? Like how can you take the correct position of hating dousy, but you hate it because you hate Daniel Sousa for some moronic reason!? As far as I'm concerned being anti dousy is only valid if you don't like Daisy and Daniel together, and being anti Steggy is only valid if you hate Steve.

[agentxthirteen]

Vote Pepper because:

Stony shippers don't like her, and as such, in Stony fics,Pepper is portrayed as Type A to the extreme (i.e., a nag) in order to justify Tony not liking her. Other than that, she's a fairly popular character, with fans acknowledging that she defeated most of Tony's adversaries.

Even characters in canon respect Pepper and ship her and Tony together - including the other part of the mlm ship, Steve.

Pepper got to marry Tony in canon and have a child with him in canon. This is despite how the two were perhaps only briefly together in comics (the source material for the MCU, allegedly), where Pepper realized she would be happier with Happy Hogan.

Vote Sharon because:

Stony, Stucky, Romanogers, and Steggy fans loathe her. Sharon is portrayed as a conniving, meddling bitch/villain in fics. Multiple authors flat-out say that they need someone to be the bitch or villain in their fics and they used Sharon.

She got so much hatred based on Steve kissing her in Civil War in 2016 that Marvel Studios changed its entire plan for multiple characters. Endgame hammered in a plot about how Steve had not, in fact, moved on and abandoned everyone he'd formed ties with to return to a woman he'd never dated and who had actually shot at him after seeing him kiss someone else because this was deemed more romantic than him being with someone who gave up everything to support him. Instead of "He can do this all day," he retired with someone who never got a single line of dialog in the film because the filmmakers said he deserved to be selfish for once. The filmmakers can't agree on if he genuinely went back in time (TSA approved, but also suggests he groomed Sharon so she would be return the kiss when she was older) or if he created another timeline (TSA supposedly wouldn't allow it, unless Cap is an exception to this rule, too). Meanwhile, Sharon is in a non-extradition country, using her own name, dealing in art (his area of interest) which would make it pretty easy for people to find her if they looked. But with Steve needing justification to not look for her, Marvel Studios argues that she's not only a villain, but was always too weak to survive trauma with her morality intact (despite how we saw her do just that in the past). In short, the kiss led to so much hatred for Sharon that Marvel decided to make things incredibly nonsensical and confusing in order to justify it.

Sharon still gets blamed for making out with Steve even though they weren't related and the only people saying they were did so in order to break them up. Reminder: He initiated the kiss 2016. He asked her out in 2014.

Even Marvel Studios employees talk about how they wanted to kill Sharon off in ways that might have been too violent to show on screen but backed off because "Emily Vandercamp" is so sweet. That is... not her name. This was said unprompted in a promotional interview. And yes, one of the writers flat-out said it's because they ship Steve with someone else. To my knowledge, nothing like this happened to Gwyneth Paltrow/Pepper.

Emily VanCamp was shown Stucky fic in interviews and told how people prefer Steve with Bucky. All she could say was that she hoped people liked Sharon a little more after Civil War. One problem with that was that Marvel Studios had decided to turn Cap 3 into Civil War - taking her from a lead to another extended cameo. She only have 7 1/2 minutes in the entirety of the MCU, and only three of those minutes were spent developing a romantic relationship. To my knowledge, nothing like this happened to Gwyneth Paltrow/Pepper, who got much more screentime and time to develop a romantic relationship.

Interviewers quoted anti-Staron shippers (including from people who openly said they thought Steve should get with Bucky instead) on the promotional tour, and you can see in at least one of the interviews that Emily is trying not to cry. To my knowledge, nothing like this happened to Gwyneth Paltrow.

This is despite how Sharon has been Steve's main love interest in the comics since December 9, 1965. Despite being off and on for decades (three of Steve's other love interests were while she was supposedly dead, with at least one writer saying they only created the love interest because Sharon was dead at the time), the two of them have been together since 2005 - seven years before TFA came out.

Round 2

Propaganda Under Cut

Pepper Potts

So many fics make her bitchy and controlling for absolutely no reason she deserves better

So for this we have to think back to like... peak Avengers MCU era. I am sorry. Back when Avengers had just come out it was BRUTAL out there for anyone who didn't like Tony/Steve (Tony Stark, Pepper's canon love interest, and Steve Rogers aka Iron Man and Captain America). While the ship itself is like, fine, it got sour so fast because Pepper was demonized SO much. When she wasn't completely sidelined and ignored, she was a cheater or an abuser (??) or what-have-you in fics so the two men could get together. It's much better now and last I heard Pepper gets some of the love she deserves (bc we do love women in this house!) but oh MAN it was bad back then. TBH all MCU women were treated like garbage by the fanbase but she got the brunt of it because she was in the way of The Most Popular Ship. She was just too #girlboss I guess

Frequently villainized for being a canon love interest for Tony Stark. Often portrayed as a Nag, constantly bothering him about doing "work" for his "company" when he could be working on inventions or spending time with his love interest! Sometimes she just Doesn't Understand Him, inconsiderately pressuring him to stay out of being a hero instead of being who he really is; only the m/m love interest really understands him! Or maybe she's the aggressor, who took advantage of the power imbalance between her and her poor innocent *checks notes* boss in order to pressure him into a relationship he didn't really want where he was treated terribly, and only his m/m love interest can save him from her! Pepper deserves better!

Sharon Carter

she “got in the way” of stucky shippers, in the comics she’s like the love of Steve’s life 

When she first appeared she was unfairly treated by fans for "getting in the way" of the Steve Rogers/Bucky Barnes ship. A shame because she's a really good character. I'd talk more about how unfairly Sharon, and her actress Emily VanCamp, have been treated by the fanbase and the creators, but that's a different story.

She and Steve Rogers were meant to have a romantic relationship, but the entire fandom and many Stucky fans dislike her because it wasn’t a good ship. I think she isn’t the best but she doesn’t deserve so much hate

[phoenixdark08]

Accounts like sharoncantstandhercarter don’t get to be fans of Steve Rogers cause you are literally hating on the person he loves the most. Not p*ggy not anyone else does he love more. And any other steggy Stan’s that hate on her can shut the fuck up too. Hayley atwell and her Stan’s behavior is absolutely unacceptable and I wish to never associate myself with them. Not a single one of them . Sharon would literally kick all of your asses . And if you’re spreading hate to Emily just sit the fuck down and get the fuck off social media you negative energy parasite . Fr y’all would rather defend Peggy who treated Steve like property and then hired Arnim Zola into shield. Just disgusting. I’m so sorry to other Sharon Stan’s and Sharon and Emily for the hate you’ve received you deserve better

[usernamesuggestionsarefunny]

I have been watching many dudebro channels roasting endgame and let me tell you, they notice logic fails, technical details and other plotholes tumblr fans usually don´t, but at the same time, they sometimes miss or don´t put as much emphasis on many failures the movie had when it came to the characters and the relationships between them. They don´t place as much importance on the bonds between the characters (*cough* and how endgame and the previous movies as a whole fucked everything up/missed great oportunities to show friendships and other bonds between the characters *cough*) as they do on the logic of the story. They don´t notice the lack of closure for Bruce and Natasha, or the whole civil war deal with Tony. They don´t notice the fact Steve is thinking about Peggy in the snap support group what an asshole when it was Sam, Wanda and Bucky who he lost recently in the snap. 

Like for example, many are willing to give a lot of thought to how stupid the avengers´ time heist plan was but when they get to Steve´s ending or Natasha´s pointless death they are like “sure, that was fine, whatever”. At most they complain about Nat´s sacrifice being unnecessary (And come up with other alternative ideas that would have been more logical than the set of circumstances that made Natasha´s sacrifice a plot device in the first place), or complain about how out of character it was for Steve to stop fighting, or about Steve abandoning his friends for a second, but then get back to other logic-plot-related stuff. In summary, dudebros complain more about Steve´s ending breaking the time travel rules the writers themselves created (Which, same, that was sooo annoying) than about the end to literally all of Steve´s friendships in the future.

It just seems interesting, the differences between the criticisms men and women make (I am going by the assumption a great deal of us on tumblr and fanfiction in general are women, I know not everyone is) about the same piece of media, the things they find more important to enjoy entertainment.  Obviously those are just stereotypes based on gender roles and all individuals are different but this is just based on what I have observed.

None of those criticisms are useless btw, all those issues are valid and actually complement each other to explain why endgame sucked. 

[usuallydeepcoffee]

This shit right here is what I'm talking about, about people not conceding Steve anything.

Imagine thinking you're a Steve fan while saying that Steve just wanted a trophy wife.

Imagine being a Steve fan while saying that Steve would've wanted Peggy to be a trophy wife.

And finally, imagine being a Steve fan while saying that Peggy would be a trophy wife and not sound misogynist as hell😂

Like, this has nothing to do with endgame and all to do with how negatively his own fandom wants to read Steve's actions they don't agree with .Disliking Steve going back to Peggy because he loves her is one thing, making Steve into a misogynistic boomer wannabe and Peggy a spineless woman who would roll over and play housewife is just plain shitty and makes them no different from the general anti-Steve mcu fans

[luallba]

Almost a year since endgame, and i can't believe i'm still salty about the ending of steve rogers's arc. I can't believe marvel ignored peggy carter's arc from the agent carter series to put her as steve's price for surviving. I can't believe they ignored her line from the movies when she says "all we can do is to start over" referring from moving on with life. She moved on and started her new life with a family, but hey let's ignore that, after all she is steve's true love, of course she can't move on lmao.

[bejeweledantihero]

A note to the anons pointing out my age:

You're accusing me of being rude to someone, who labeled an entire group of fans assholes btw, and claiming I "attacked her" yet you're attempting to use my age as some kind of negative thing? The obvious implications of "OMG you're almost 30 and you care about fandom" is so fucking gross and annoying and it just shows how wrong you are.

There's no age limit on passion! If you think there's some magical age where you should just stop caring about fandom... you're wrong!

And now, I'll share screenshots of exactly what I said in response to seeing YET ANOTHER STEGGY FAN TALK RUDELY ABOUT ALL STUCKY FANS:

As I responded to one anon in my inbox, most of the time I ignore anon shit like I'm getting right now... people that come at you with hostility and have to hide behind anonymous, they're generally not worth the time. For example, and let me be clear that I'm not *just* talking about rn with the Endgame drama, I've had anons call me a "Dyke ass fag lover", tell me I'm delusional for shipping Stucky, laugh at me and other Stucky fans being devastated over Bucky getting dusted in Infinity War, etc. Hell before Endgame, I got an anon telling me "Bitch kill yourself, the movie is called Endgame because Steggy WILL be endgame!" (This was after I argued that Steve cares deeply for Bucky, and saying that he obviously loved Bucky like a brother at the very least, when a Steggy/anti Stucky tried saying Steve doesn't give a shit about Bucky 🙄)

I know what being attacked on here is actually like. Please don't tell me that responding to someone who is rudely generalizing and name calling is somehow ME attacking.

[thesharondefenseleague]

You know exactly what that photo means: That Peggy still matters in the MCU. Just as you know that Sharon's lack of appearance (regardless of thrown out drafted scripts and your attempts to latch onto rumors and what what you choose to infer from creator's intent) makes it clear that she does not. Please spin and justify and belittle all you like. It's entertaining, but you know the truth deep down. Sharon does not matter in the MCU. She never will.

Sweetheart, I just defended Peggy in my last reblog so check yourself-

And I ain’t twisting shit. What’s canon is Steve and Peggy haven’t been together in 70 plus years (7 years our time). Peggy moved on quickly to the next man to replace the void of Steve and she did or did not marry this said man.

Marvel just said they had no relationship to start with lmao, it’s on their website right here boo

ALL at the same time implying there’s a future with Sharon Carter because she is the first woman that Steve has chosen to move forward with should he decide so and IF he lives pass EG.

If you can not read, I will remind you this is from Marvel’s official website- no outside source, it’s no rumor sweetheart- this is what would be fact and canon and it’s heavily implied there’s a future for Sharon regardless if Steve makes it or not.

Peggy Carter is dead, she is worm food, she is a corpse rooting six feet under. That’s canon, Steve still carries the pocket watch because he can’t get over her simply put and that’s understandable but sad because he has made all these new friends and allegiances that he’s chosen but the writers think it’s better if he holds on and quite possibly masturbates to ancient relics.

I’m not the one wetting myself over photograph I understand y’all’s thirsty for steggy and I would be if I were y’all but I’m not, as it stands steggy and y’all are still very much insignificant and why isn’t Hayley Atwell in this movie?

-T

[golden-earcuffs]

Okay, I did not know about Jason. That's new. However, Talia and Tim points still stands, I guess?

Yes, the first Robin changed in ways, but he was still recognisable. Dick's arcs, the changes that happened to him, were a long, drawn out process. Jon being aged up was shitty writing. Damian has been around for longer than Jon and he isn't older, when he can be. Jason still had anger issues and violence problems before his death, it was shown nicely after his revival.

Also Jon's civilian arc is not exactly the point?? He's a superhero, being that is a hair more important to me. Honestly, I doubt that any character can maintain the balance b/w civilian and superhero life better than Peter Parker, so the bar is set pretty high.

The Jon Kent tag is for his fans, with all kinds of different opinions. Jay being his canon boyfriend is...not relevent?? Like, you can surf through a character tag and find people disliking their canon love interest. Steve Rogers tag definitely has some anti steggy & anti Peggy carter hottakes. What should not happen is the said post appearing in the love interest's tag or the ship tag. And I did what I could to ensure that.

This post wasn't even just about Jay, but the entire aged up Jon.

Also if you bitched about Damian in the Jon Kent tag, I'd scroll past it without a second glance. I would know that a post like that would upset me, so I wouldn't bother replying and frustating myself. I'm on this hellsite to have fun, not to get upset with people with opinions that differ from mine.

do you guys ever look at jay nakamura and the whole aged up jon thing in general and just go sir?? why do you exist there's literally no need for you?? like who asked for you?? no one?? who looked at you and thought 'yep that's a good idea'????

[cblgblog]

I don't think the people who bash Steve in his own tag and tell such horrendous lies about him and Peggy will actually be happy if Steve comes back/Old Steve is a Skrull happens. Because that Happy Ending Kiss is canon. Steve chose a life with Peggy - whether in an alternate universe or a Skrull illusion.

Yeah, the Skrull thing about Steve is an idiot theory by bitter “fans” imo, and will ultimately come to absolutely nothing. And I firmly believe that the Steve antis wouldn’t be happy about much of anything at this point. We may lose Steve in other timelines/What If eps, or he might turn out to be an evil bastard in those, but Endgame still ended—the entire Infinity Saga of 10 years ended—with a happy Steve and a Steggy kiss. And the antis can’t erase that, so whatever, rage against the machine guys, but canon Steve is the awesome character he is, and he got his happy ending, and good luck changing that.

[sallypumpkinlove]

Me, to Steve Rogers

So. You went back to be with Peggy. You got a happy ending but your "fans" don't seem to be happy for you. Don't ever apologize for wanting a happy ending with the one you love. Take it from a person who's been in the mcu fandom for 10 years, there is nothing cooler than getting a happy ending with the one you love.

And if anyone disagrees? Don't take it up with the people who do ship Steve and Peggy. Put your complaints in the anti-tags. Don't taint the steggy tag with your stucky or peggysous or carterwood bulls*it. Keep it in the anti-tags and let fans of steggy be fans of steggy.