#and when i say mcu fans i mean tony stans

[mylols16]

is here a safe space to say im not the biggest fan of mcu iron man...especially in the later movies. civil war turned me from an iron man girlie to a captain america girlie real quick. especially with Tony like not even trying to understand where Steve's coming from with the whole bucky thing like i bet if it was rhodey or someone else tony cares about in buckys position hed be quick to help but it's not someone he knows but at the same time he knows and cares about Captain America and we know Captain America wouldn't just do this for anyone so Bucky must be important to him and I don't get how Tony doesn't see that and then enlisting a 15 or 16 or however old he was Peter Parker to help him fight the avengers like dude that's a literal kid I don't care if he has super strength he should be doing his homework. and then blaming falcon for rhodey getting paralyzed when it was visions fault not dogging on vision but like at least place your blame in the right place, and then I get bucky killed his parents but Bucky is also a victim he was brainwashed for years and had his memory wiped over and over again and turned into a weapon and like i get grief can make you do crazy things in the moment but even though Steve reached out and told Tony if he ever needed help that Steve was there, Tony, even after he had time to process his grief never reached out to Steve and obviously he doesn't have to, but he has to realize buckys also victim in the situation. and he was able to see that Wanda wasn't in control of her own actions and that Ultron was manipulating her so why couldn't he see that Bucky wasn't in control of his own actions? and don't even get me started on his relationship with Peter because it just rubs me the wrong way like the fact that Tony kind of took on this mantle as Peter's mentor but then never answered his calls and then didn't believe him when he told Tony about vulture it just rubs me the wrong way like he's in such a position of power and like knows the affect he has on Peter but then just like completely Ignores the kid like Tony you came to Peter first asking for help of course he's gonna latch onto that. sorry if there's weird commas in places I'm using text to speech because I just got my nails done. anyway, I don't hate Iron Man There's just some things he does that kind of pissed me off and some of it does feel out of character and I blame writers for some of it but also some of it doesn't feel out of character so I can't blame writers for all of it. and don't even get me started on the fact that you can tell the writers regret killing off Tony because he's been brought up in almost every single new movie and they brought rdj back to play Dr. doom. also please Tony stans don't come after me just because I don't agree with some of his actions does not mean I hate him just thought I bring up some moments that either felt out of character to me or just really threw me off from his character 

[essayofthoughts]

OK, so I know it was a long time ago, but you once called Tony Stark Stans virulent.

I agree.

So full disclosure I am far more of Bucky fan and don't care about Wanda all that much, however the way they try to blame Wanda for everything Tony does in AoU and after is something I can identify with.

Its actually very similar to how they victim-blame Bucky for everything that happens in Civil War when legit he was minding his own business not hurting anyone at all for 2 years before all hell broke loose due to Zemo. Also, the way they try and what Tony did to him in the final fight as a "normal human reaction" is just deeply disturbing. No. Beating him up, punching him, heck maybe even trying to shoot him once would have been a normal human reaction.

What Tony did was a brutal and vicious sustained attack lasting several minutes with multiple weapons and involved attacking Bucky when he was down and attacking from behind. (The kick to the face was especially nasty, since he was a) already down and b) was no actual threat. This is also an *unarmed man* who has to resort to hand-to-hand fighting whereas TOny is the equivalent of a flying tank and armed to the teeth.

I am sorry, but calling that a "normal human reaction" makes me think some of them might legitimately have psychotic tendencies.

To be absolutely fair to the Tony stans I do think that responding to the revelation of who killed your parents with anger and grief and a desire to lash out is a "normal human reaction". The difference lies in scale and capability - as you say, Tony's basically a flying tank, which means his capacity for retaliation is far beyond what most people have! And, further, Bucky is unarmed! Bucky is fleeing! Bucky has managed to live peacefully without hurting a soul since getting free of HYDRA until other people elect to fuck it up for him. Tony is very much directing his anger towards someone who is another victim of HYDRA's bullshit and taking that anger out on them and while that is understandable - who wouldn't be angry and upset in his situation? - the fact he is using all of his weaponry (after saying he won't sell weapons anymore, after seeing the horror they can commit, but it's okay, isn't it, if it's him wielding them?) and using them on a target who is themselves a victim and who is very clearly not wanting to fight back, who is unarmed, who is fleeing? That crosses every line.

But yeah - I'm a fan of Bucky too and the way he gets treated as a prop in a lot of Tonystan metas and works annoyed the hell out of me before I gave up MCU as a bad bet. The way the stans write WinterIron is just... jesus christ what is wrong with their perspective on the world? I also really hate how they try to claim that what Wanda did to Tony was just like what HYDRA did to Bucky which... no! Wanda in essence triggered Tony, but he had already been working on Ultron before! Bucky was brainwashed, mind-wiped and utterly controlled by HYDRA, and any time he objected "but... I knew him." they hit him and mindwiped him again! Bucky was given no freedom, Tony was hurt yes, but he was free to act on his fears, that was the point. Firstly that Tony be and bring about his own downfall, and Secondly that Tony is fully capable of doing that himself with very little cause. If Tony went through therapy and learned to recognise when he was feeling provoked or triggered, to take a deep breath and think things through, would he have used the sceptre behind the team's back to make Ultron? Signs point to Significantly less likely.

It's this very particular thing you see in a lot of fandom spaces where one character is picked as the Blorbo Who Can Do No Wrong, and so their agency gets denied at every turn. Every bad thing that happened? That's someone else's fault. Someone else made them do it, the Blorbo would never do anything like that on their own.

And... it's incredibly boring! It's also incredibly childish and a really infantile approach to fiction. Part of why I like both Wanda and Bucky is that both of them are fully capable of doing bad, even terrible things, be that under their own power or when influenced by others - and both have the capacity to feel terrible for it! Bucky keeps to himself and hides and does his best to avoid hurting people again! Wanda has a whole panic attack and needs a pep talk to believe she can fight to right the wrongs she committed, and we don't see her play around in minds much after AOU! Both of these people learn things - about themselves and about others - that cause them to change and grow, meanwhile Tony is stuck in his character roundabout, repeating the same cycle, never growing, and his fans look at this infantile writing and go "... PEAK".

Anyway thanks for this ask! That meta is years old at this point but I'm glad it's still making the rounds and hitting a chord with people!

[stankrhodes]

Secret Invasion Ep. 4 Spoilers

As a Rhodey stan... i have a couple words and no words at the same time.

I think a lot of people online and in online MCU communities were mystified by the idea of someone [and that someone being Rhodey] being a Skrull that they failed to consider the implications of such a decision? and that generalization is itself one i'm not too confident in making but i find it to be the case nonetheless.

still, with so many communities talking about it... the actual reveal just felt so lackluster. Rhodey is a character, however you may see him, that has already shown so much heart, love, care, soul, realness, and groundedness that in revealing that he's a Skrull just doesn't... do the phase 1-3 versions of him justice at all.

And while I could go on a million rants about why I hate this decision (most of which involving my relationship with the phase 1-3 version of him that is being disregarded for the sake of moving phase 5 forward...), the main thing i wanted to rant about right here is the when.

When did Rhodey become a skrull?

I fear that neither of the two theories I have in mind means anything good for the Rhodey fans that value his relationship with Tony.

He's been a Skrull since Iron Man 3 (or somewhere around that time give or take a few years). (This one i'm not sure they would actually follow through with just because as much as the MCU says they're forward-thinking, some of their decisions lead me to believe the contrary.) This is rooted in the use of extremis, a project that was experiencing issues in the film and Tony figured out how to stabilize for the sake of saving Pepper Potts's life. While SHIELD would have had this technological information as a result, there is a strong possibility that the events of Iron Man 2 may have convinced some people that Rhodey would be willing to even give up that information which was personal to Tony for a greater gain (or even something not in his control if he were coerced into such an action).

He, as a very popular theory suggests (one that i also take issue with), became a Skrull following the events of Captain America: Civil War. In this film, he was critically injured during the battle in the Leipzig-Halle Airport where Vision shot a blast through the War Machine suit, leaving Rhodey paralyzed from the waist down. My personal issue with this theory is that I've always had an issue with the way Rhodey's tone toward the Sokovia Accords shifted between CA:CW and Avengers: Infinity War (where initially expressed full support for them in CA:CW but was then extremely lax [admittedly the circumstances were what they were] during IW). However, logistically speaking, when could there have been a better time for a Skrull to take on his likeness? After Thanos' snap? After Tony's snap? Before Falcon and the Winter Soldier? It seems like the most seamless transition had to have occurred during the time that Rhodey was seriously injured in CA:CW.

All of this is merely speculation. However, one of the biggest plotholes of the entire Secret Invasion series so far has been the lack of clarity on when these prominent figures became Skrulls. Hopefully, I'm wrong with all of this. Still, this won't change the impact of the one character from the earlier phases of the MCU that actually recalls the events of IM1,2,3, A1,2 CACW, etc. being a Skrull. It won't take back the pain that comes with the knowledge that to some degree or another, the face of a close friend of Tony Stark was involved in such heinous acts (almost directly paralleling the relationship between Steve Rogers and Bucky Barnes in the mcu as well) and I fear the implications for the upcoming Armor Wars film won't be kind for the version of Rhodey that will awaken in a world where everything has changed.

[asteral-feileacan]

This. I also think it's very... odd to assume the place where you tell other people in a fandom what it's time for and what it's not time for. The reason stories exist is to enjoy them; people have always banded around their favourite characters. People should always do that. Tony stans have a right to freely stan Tony, just like fans of any other characters have a right to freely stan their favourite characters. The MCU fandom's problem is not that these stans exist, it's that no one is willing to listen to each other or treat other people's opinions with a least a little bit of respect. It goes beyond the character. If you suddenly come up with this idea that certain stans should just stop existing or interacting because of their opinion, you're eliminating open discussion and the potential for growth. Why the push for an echo chamber? If fans of things aren't allowed write badly written stories based on those things for person enjoyment, where does that leave us?

I can respect OP's pov; after all, when someone tells you that you hurt them, it is not up to you to say that you didn't. But if we want to make representation actually work, we can't just ignore one very important minority in favour of another very important minority. In order to be equal, you can't leave people behind. TFATWS is not The Falcon vs the Winter Soldier. It's The Falcon AND the Winter Soldier. It's not POC vs male abuse victim. We shouldn't have to stamp on Sam to bring up Bucky, or vice versa, because they exist independently of each other and deserve to be treated as equals and fairly. If they wanted the show to be about Sam, they should have just called it the Falcon. There was no need to put Bucky in this show.

Look, I've been here since I was very young. I was a Bucky fan long before I got into writing which is already close to a decade ago now. I grew up with Bucky. This is not to say that my opinion matters more than a new fan, or someone who likes a different character. It just means that I very personally love Bucky's character and I am invested in seeing him either come to an end that fulfils his character, or continue appearing in future MCU media to get to that point. Bucky won't be in the MCU forever, nor should he be. No character should really be, especially in a story that seems like it'll just be going on forever. And I simply think that it's sad that what Bucky's been through is dismissed by the current showrunners and misrepresented, and that the excuse is that Sam deserves more. Can Sam not stand on his own? Do they not have faith that Sam as a character is just as unique and meaningful as anyone else around him? When did it start becoming more about sending a political message over telling a story with respect to the character? I think that's in fact incredibly disrespectful to Sam's character, because he IS interesting, he IS a very strong character whose story SHOULD be followed and continued. But why can that not exist while Bucky also exists, without putting Bucky and his experience down? And why the push to now get rid of Bucky and his difficult trauma, not just by various fans, but also by the showrunners? I would rather watch a show entirely about Sam and his character development than have to have Bucky shoehorned in and misrepresented. Again, why wasn't TFATWS just about Sam since this opinion about Bucky is apparently so popular? I would rather have no Bucky content post-Endgame than this path they're going down.

The world has moved past the need for Bucky stans. They serve no other purpose than to write long stories explaining why their characters is the most miserable character, who has suffered the most, has had the most unfair treatment in the world and then forget and dismiss anyone around their character. Let’s not forget how entitled they act whenever there is a big announcement for Sam’s character, and immediately demand the same for Bucky. Even though there are 364 other days where they could do the complaing for their character, they conviently choose the day there is a big announcement for Sam’s character to complain and make demands they have no right to make, instead of praising Sam’s character just once in their life.

And honestly, I don’t even think they really like Bucky as a character because they absolutely refuse to see him as he really is or see the ways their character has grown.

Like Tony Stans before them, and unlike any other fans in the MCU, Bucky stans have the ability to always paint their character as the victim no matter what the circumstances, act as if their character is the only character to have ever experienced trauma in the history of characters. And they absolutely to refuse to see the flaws of their characters or any bad thing they do, They will blame all the bad things their character does on literally anybody BUT the character. They refuse to acknowledge that their character isn’t the only one who has feelings and who has known pain. We are slowly being freed from Tony stans, it’s time for the same thing to happen with the Buckies.

The last strike is that now they somehow came up with the idea that Bucky’s and Isaiah’s stories are somewhat similar. Excuse me but what???

What is surprising to me is that I never see this kind of behavior coming from Steve fans, Natasha fans, Thor fans and so on. Maybe I missed something.

It’s always the same fandoms that decide on one specific interpretation of a character and stick to it no matter what is happening on screen. They insist on Bucky being the one who needs to be taken care of, when Bucky in episode 5, and episode 6 was the one who was taking care of Sam ( getting the suit, helping with the boat, supporting with the flagsmashers). Do you even watch the shows your character’s involved in or do you just live in your headcanon? Do you even realize that you character is making progess and that unlike your headcanons Bucky seems to have more the profile of a nurturer once he starts healing? Bucky still has a long way to go, but have you seen him giving away that notebook? Starting to make amends the right way? Do you not see his progress?

They insist on Bucky being the one being hurt but turn a blind eye when Bucky is doing the hurting. And let’s not even talk about what happens when the other character interacting with Bucky is not White…

I have seen several of the stans complaining about how Sam was mean/unfair or still treated Bucky like he was still the Winter Soldier or like he was responsible for his crimes as the Winter Soldier, which is all untrue by the way. But then they never mention why Sam didn’t open welcome Bucky with open arms.

The first thing Bucky did when he met Sam was blame him “You shouldn’t have given up the shield”. No “hello”, no “good morning”, no “how have you been Sam?”, when we know that Sam has been checking up on Bucky, and texting him but Bucky didn’t reply. So Bucky ghosts Sam, and only comes back to blame him about giving up the shield. And even when Sam tells him he’s upset about the shield being given to Walker, Bucky keeps pestering Sam. And it keeps being that way for a major part of episode 2 and 3. 

And yet I have NEVER seen any Bucky stan talk about how Bucky treated Sam badly during that time.

Do you guys not remember the scene where Bucky apoligize? I just don’t understand, even Bucky understood that he f*cked up, and changed his behavior, why can’t his stans?

And talking about Bucky hurting people, I have NEVER seen a Bucky stan talking about how awful what he did to Yori was. He befriended a man knowing full well he had killed his son? What kind of mindgame was he playing.

And please don’t get me started on how they tried to make Ayo the “bad guy”, when Bucky had just broke out Zemo out of prison, the guy who killed King T’Chaka, without thinking about the consequences and the impact on his Wakandan friends.

Bucky stans don’t even acknowledge the feelings of other characters than their own. They did it with Endgame Steve with blablabla how unfair he was to abandon Bucky, even though Bucky knew Steve was leaving. And they are now doing it from Sam.

I really like Loki as a character but I’m sometimes annoyed at some stans that want to insist that he isn’t a villain, never did anything wrong and even go to the lengths to paint him as a victim when he killed actual people. But usually Loki stans don’t reach the levels of Buckies when it comes to putting on blinders whenever they are thinking about their characters. Most of them acknowledge Loki’s flaws and his wrongdoings and like him anyway. As they should.

Bucky stans need to step aside and leave Bucky’s character to people who really know how to appreciate him, who (unlike them) want his character to heal and be happy and see him as he is, flaws, wrongdoings, mistakes and most importanly who also see his growth. 

Most importantly, leave Bucky’s character to people who know how to tag properly and won’t tag a post that doesn’t even have Sam in it with “Sam Wilson” just to get more traction for their post.

[usuallydeepcoffee]

This shit right here is what I'm talking about, about people not conceding Steve anything.

Imagine thinking you're a Steve fan while saying that Steve just wanted a trophy wife.

Imagine being a Steve fan while saying that Steve would've wanted Peggy to be a trophy wife.

And finally, imagine being a Steve fan while saying that Peggy would be a trophy wife and not sound misogynist as hell😂

Like, this has nothing to do with endgame and all to do with how negatively his own fandom wants to read Steve's actions they don't agree with .Disliking Steve going back to Peggy because he loves her is one thing, making Steve into a misogynistic boomer wannabe and Peggy a spineless woman who would roll over and play housewife is just plain shitty and makes them no different from the general anti-Steve mcu fans

[geniusalpaca]

Miscellaneous Masterlist

THESE ARE NOT MINE! These are just fics that i really liked. Please check out the really talented authors of these fics. If there are any mistakes in this list (like links not working etc) Please let me know! Also recommendations are welcome!

WARNING: Some of these fics may be NSFW i tried to mark those with an *. But if i missed some please let me know!

- Wine Glasses- Harrison Osterfield One Shot by @cali-holland

Tom and the twins plan on surprising Harrison, but that backfires when they catch the two of you on a date.

- Move In With Me by @fallinallincurls

Shawn asks you to move in with him.

- Drink by @morizoras-cave

Could you maybe do a Ryan Reynolds x teen!reader where the reader maybe goes to a party and something gets slipped into her drink but she calls Ryan and says she doesn’t feel well and he gets her and looks after her?

- Alley  by @morizoras-cave 

hello! alternatively, could you please write a James McAvoy x teen!costar!reader where after an interview, the reader leaves backstage to an alley to receive a call. before she can enter the building, she is stopped by a an older man who are being super creepy and whatnot. James, wondering where the reader is, goes to the alley and seeing what is happening, becomes really mad and protective over the reader.

- Kid problems by @morizoras-cave

Please may I request a mcu cast x child!reader where the kids the daughter of a new female superhero actor (made up) and the cast finds up she’s been verbally/ physically abusive so the kid and confront the lady about it and comfort the kid?

-  Tired* by @lanasprotege

after your long night out at Andrew’s award show, he’s exhausted and ready to call it a night — but feeling aroused after watching him at the show all night, you have other plans in mind

-  Feeling Okay? by @marvhellove

so i'd like to request a one shot with the Avengers cast (i especially stan rdj oops) where maybe they're on set and shooting some fight scenes and the reader has always had problems with wonky blood pressure but it was never really that bad, but this time she passes out and they're all concerned and all the fluff?

-  Baby Don’t Cry by @forever-more-never-again

Can I request R x avengers cast where R is like 4-5 years younger than T Holland and the cast are like "wow I thought holland was a baby but here you are" especially anthony and seb. And they tease her a lot. But then one day R got in to an accident maybe like a stunt gone wrong and it's bad and everyone is like !!!!!! THE BABY !!

-  Cinnamon Apple [z.c] by @selfcarecap

you and Zendaya make things official

-  How to Deal With a Bunch of Aggravating, Overprotective Brothers by @marvelous-imagining

Could you do a Steve x reader where she is steve’s girlfriend and the other guys (Tony, t'challa, bucky, Sam, pietro etc) are like her big bros. And she has to go undercover in a bar alone to get some bad guy. She’s on her comms and the avengers have visual on her. But some guy flirts with her&Steve and the other guys are being annoying on the comms&asking the reader to punch him.

-  Molecular Thingamajig by @forever-more-never-again

I was wondering if I could have a platonic avengers x teen reader. She has the power of invisibility and maybe she is left alone with Bruce and he gets angry and turns into the hulk and she's terrified and she gets hurt but fluffy ending?

-  Chris Loves His Wife by @toastedkiwi

fan interactions/witnessing how much Chris loves you.

-  Reconcile by @alyswritings

Druig comes to his sister's aid when she calls.

- Domesticity* by @cobaiinn

matt and y/n bask in the domestic bliss of a friday morning when matt has off work.

- Dylan O'Brien x Female Reader* by @slutobrien

Choking

- Dylan O'Brien x Female Reader* by @slutobrien

Subspace

-  accidents happen by @eddiemunsonswhxre

you didn't mean to chip eddie's guitar, and now that you had you were terrified.

[bthehufflepuff208]

So how much do you want to fucking bet that for the “Vision is Ultron” episode of “What If”, they’re basically going to sell it as:

“No matter what, whether the mind stone was used or not, Ultron/Vision would have always been created as a monster because his sole creator Tony Stark is a monster.”

To add, they’re also going to kill Tony off again, with Vision/Ultron talking about all the bullshit that was said in “Age of Ultron”, of how he’s a “sickness” and a “monster” and how he did the right thing by killing him and all that jazz.  

And I’m so fucking over it.

Like, I get it.  Tony Stark is a perfect choice for a scapegoat to hate for a good chunk of MCU fans, as he has all the things people hate:

He’s a billionaire (a born into money billionaire), which ya know, “eat the rich” and all.  He’s a man, he’s white, he’s cisgender, he’s straight (questionable to some fans, but there’s no fucking way any Marvel executives would say Tony’s bisexual or pansexual, no way).  

So due to this, most MCU fans hate his guts as he represents at least one group of people that they loathe.  I’m not saying these are the sole reasons anti-Tony people hate him, but they can’t say that it’s not at least one of the reasons.

But making him the scapegoat over and over is so fucking absurd, especially when the whole fucking point of Tony’s story is that he wants to become better, not just for his loved ones but for the world.

But with the stigma he already has with what he was born with/into, fans have absolutely no fucking trouble twisting any bad situation into blaming Tony, since he represents all the things they hate in real life anyway. 

Tony’s entire arc was supposed to show with each movie, that he wanted to become better and to truly help people.  But literally every single action Tony makes, everyone interprets it as “he’s only doing it for his ego/to protect himself.”

Tony flies a nuclear bomb into a wormhole? “Oh, he only did that because he wanted the praise of being the hero who saved the day.”  Tony wanting a defense system to protect Earth? “Oh, he only wants that because he doesn’t want to do anything to help Earth himself and wants all of the credit.”  Tony literally dying destroying an army that was going to destroy the universe? “Oh, but that doesn’t make him a hero, everything he did was always about him.  He’s still a selfish piece of shit because he didn’t want to erase his daughter (and probably millions of other children) out of existence.”  No matter what Tony does, everyone twists it as something he’s doing only for himself.

But even a little example of how everyone just twists anything and everything they can about Tony:   I saw a post talking about how they were glad Thor wasn’t friends with that “toxic piece of shit” because all Tony did throughout Endgame was mock Thor’s depression/PTSD. 

And I was like.......what fucking movie were you watching?

He did call Thor “Lebowski”, which, yes, was definitely mean-spirited.  But the entire movie?  Huhhhh?

Here’s where they twist their views to whatever they want to see.  I’ve watched Endgame over and over, and besides the Lebowski joke, I cannot come up with one point in which Tony mocks Thor.  But thinking about it, I have a pretty good idea of how anti-Tony people twisted their look on the film to see Tony mocking Thor throughout the entire thing.

In the scene where Thor is insisting on doing the snap to bring everyone back, Tony steps in and tells him he’s not in condition to do so.  In my head, and the way I’m pretty sure it was supposed to be interpreted, Tony does this because he’s concerned for Thor because he knows how bad of a place he’s in and doesn’t want to push him even further.  But to someone who hates Tony, they most likely interpreted the scene as Tony mocking Thor and calling him “weak.”  I have no fucking clue how they came to that conclusion, but I’m pretty sure that’s what they saw. 

And now, lets go back to Ultron and talk about a character and situation that infuriates me to no end.  Wanda and her involvement with Ultron.

Not only did the writers and characters of “Age of Ultron” have absolutely no problem in solely blaming Tony for what Ultron became, the majority of the people who watched it had no problem with it too. Even when in the fucking movie, it’s literally stated that Wanda manipulated his mind in hopes he would take the mind stone 

“I didn’t expect (gestures to Ultron), but I saw Stark’s fear, I knew it would control him, make him self-destruct.”

She fucking says she wanted him to take the mind stone because she knew it would cause something terrible to happen.

I’m pretty sure 99% of the reason Ultron became what he became was because of the mind stone, which was only even used in Tony’s program because Wanda basically mind controlled him into using it.  

And fucking yet.

Everyone, the characters and fans alike, were over the moon with Wanda’s bullshit “Stark can’t see the difference between saving the world and destroying it, where do you think he gets that from?” as it proved to them that Tony Stark was the monstrous villain they thought he was all along.

 AND FUCKING YET.

Tony’s whole fucking goal with the Ultron program in the first place was to protect Earth from threats he believed they wouldn’t be able to fight (and he was fucking right).  Wanda’s goal was to kill Tony, which fine, won’t get into that bullshit completely. But I’m 99% positive the scene where she lets the Hulk loose in Johannesburg that probably killed dozens of people, showed us that Wanda doesn’t really fucking care who gets killed, even if they’re innocent, as long as Tony Stark is in the body count.  And then when she finds out Ultron plans on killing everyone, which includes her and her brother, then she “see’s the light.”  BUT THEN STILL SOLELY BLAMES TONY FOR EVERYTHING SHE BASICALLY CAUSED, and the characters and the audience are like “YAS, WE STAN A QUEEN WHO EATS (AND KILLS) THE RICH!”

So coming around full circle, I’ve just had fucking enough of this scapegoating bullshit the writers have and will continue to be pulling on Tony Stark.  The “What If” Episode with Vision/Ultron will once again put the “Tony Stark was the main villain of the MCU and everything ever is his fault.”

And the fact that so many fans can and will twist anything Tony does to fit their narrative, and that the writers give them the ammunition with the scapegoating bullshit even though there’s so much evidence that shows `how truly good of a person Tony is just so fucking infuriating, disheartening, and just sad.

[valkyrieandstrangeridingaragorn]

People who ship ironstrange make Stephen hate Steve and it makes me real angry. I was on Pinterest right now and an incorrect quote went (and I don't even know why Pinterest is suggesting me ironstrange stuff when I keep blocking all Tony content):

Stephen: Close your eyes bro

Steve, happy Stephen is talking to him without insulting him or his tasteless clothes: OKAY!

Stephen: What do u see bro?

Steve: nothing... bro?

Stephen: That's exactly what you mean to me bro

Steve: omg br

Steve:

Steve: wait

Like, Tony isn't even there and why would Stephen hate Steve. Sorry I am not very coherent.

Oh I hate the ironstrange stuff passionately. I have it blocked and ideally as far as possible from my person. [Disclaimer: It goes without saying but of course I respect those who ship it and I have absolutely nothing against them nor would I ever tell them to stop, I just don't like it so I avoid it like the plague]

So many Stark stans assume that Stephen likes him so much where there's this 👇

(I love that line so much 😂)

Also from the ones I've encountered they're all convinced Stephen is just like Stark which is hilariously WRONG on so many levels (I talk about that here) but I suppose it comes from the fact that his movie kept repeating over and over again how "arrogant" he was, they even brought it up in situations that had absolutely nothing to do with arrogance - like him doubting his teachers or not believing what the Ancient One was telling him during his training.

So this odd idea that Stephen is just like Stark gained traction and all of a sudden people were comparing them or claiming one look in the ship or Stephen calling him "Tony" means romantic attraction (what it means is this guy couldn't be more compassionate if the tried to, folks). And you know that once an idea gets in the minds of so many people then everything Stephen does is arrogance in their eyes and there's nothing more to him.

And since they're convinced he's just like Stark, of course he hates Steve! Steve is the root of all evil for these people, I bet they could find a way to blame him for everything wrong in the MCU (hell I've seen people blaming him for Thanos' snap...). So Stephen has no mind of his own according to these fans, he loves everything Stark loves and he hates everything Stark hates and he does as told.

This is pure headcannon on my part but if Stephen had spent time with Steve I can see them getting along pretty nicely. Steve was always polite and respectful and Stephen would have appreciated that.

[batsarebetterthanpeople]

No pressure on ryan coogler but he actually knows what hes doing tho. But again marvel is marvel

Yeah but like I'm pretty sure these directors don't control the budget or the hiring. Like I'm pretty sure Taika can't say "actually I want the time constraints loosened and the cg animators to be paid more" he's just got to figure out how to make a Thor movie in the wearhouse green screen rooms they give him to work with and Black Panther's not gonna be any different. Marvel has a blueprint for how to make a movie with the maximum amount of human misery they can squeeze out and they're not gonna budge for some upstart who wants to make a real movie. Practical effects are dead and costuming is endangered in the MCU and it's not because all of these directors decided that they hate film and want to crush it it's because Disney is an assembly line the machinery of capital will keep grinding whether artists are there or not.

In addition to that, it doesn't matter how good of a movie Ryan Coogler makes. Even if he some how manages to turn out an objectively perfect Black Panther movie it's still going to be received poorly because Chadwick Boseman is dead and he's not recasting T'challa. That means the characters he has to work with are Shuri, Nakia, Okoye, M'baku, and Ramonda and then whoever else he decides to introduce or minor characters he chooses to expand upon. T'challa is dead, Kill monger is dead, winter soldier moved his white ass back to America and the future of Wakanda is female. Black Panther is about to become a female super hero. It's not coincidental that the movie that made Valkyrie lesbian and Korg gay was the movie that got heat despite being better than 90% of the mcu. This movie is going to get heat because of the misogynists. They don't want to see a woman on the throne, they don't want to see Shuri or Nakia take over the mantle of the Black Panther. People like you and I are not going to watch it because, despite how cool it would be to see the girls killing it, we're sick of the MCU and the fan boys aren't gonna watch it because they hate women. And there's gonna be a million hot takes about how this is actually the movie that's killing the marvel cinematic universe, when really the decline is because the audience can feel how robotic these movies are and this movie maybe did a little worse because the fan base of Tony stans that can usually be relied upon to turn out for every MCU movie are gonna skip this one because it's about black women. They're gonna call for Ryan to be fired just like they did with Taika and it's not gonna have anything to do with the quality of the movie.

I'm gonna go to this movie, I'm gonna be disappointed through no fault of the director or the cast, because nobody can spin straw into gold, and I'm gonna watch the marvel sycophants pretend that they don't like this movie for regular reasons when both me and the marvel sycophants know it's because they hate women.

If this post breaches containment the reason I'm talking about Taika Waititi and Thor is because this ask was in response to a previous post.

[luna-rainbow]

You know, after Multiverse of Madness, I never want to see Wanda again. And it's heartbreaking because she used to be my favorite character, but I just feel that she's irredeemable at this point. They did such a shit job explaining how the Darkhold works that it's hard to use that as a strong justification that she'll ever be able to be heroic again. The most they give us is vague "oh it corrupts people" and "it showed me what I want." So it's hard to see how it can be a strong defense for her actions, especially when Agatha had the book for centuries and didn't go nuts and kill everyone.

She's just so vile and monstrous and cruel throughout the whole movie. I can't see any of the heroic characters in the MCU wanting to be anywhere near her ever again; Strange clearly didn't think she was worth saving as he didn't even try to convince her not to drop the fucking mountain on herself.

And, considering how many fans have outright hated her and refused to give her the benefit of the doubt with Westview, I don't see how any of them will forgive her for killing multiple beloved fan favorites.

It makes me almost wonder if I was wrong in my love and defense of Wanda all these years. That maybe she really always was a monstrous villain and I was just too naïve to see it. That everyone who's hated on her and insisted that she's evil was right and I was wrong to ever love her as a character. I just don't know if my interpretation of the character for all these years was wrong, or if Marvel really has resorted to absolute insane levels of gaslighting to destroy a powerful female character.

Idk man, it just sucks to see how despite the constant touting of "look how progressive we are now!" Marvel is still openly using every sexist and ableist trope in the book to tear down characters that don't fit the white, straight, male generic action hero mold.

I feel like Wanda has always been a very divisive character since her introduction. I don’t think it was ever quite clear whether she knew Strucker was Hydra before she signed up? From memory, Strucker was operating as SHIELD in Sokovia, and was encouraging the local rebels (the twins being part of them) to destabilise the country. But I think a lot of fans remember her as choosing to join Hydra.

A lot of fans are also very coloured by their biases. Wanda has faced up against Tony multiple times, as you can imagine a lot of Tony fans dislike her. A lot of people also think she’s let off too easily? Which I tend to disagree with. There’s a saying — “you use a contribution to pay for a mistake”. That’s what Wanda was doing in CACW, she was using her powers to try and help people to make up for the mistakes she made in her youth. At the end of her series she apologised to the town, reversed her spell and put herself into exile. I still see people calling for her head though, so I think there’s no pleasing some people.

I feel like a lot of MCU stans also…refuse to look at the MCU as a story by itself but keep drawing the comics into it, with disregard to what that actually means to character consistency in the MCU. When I pointed out to my friend that it didn’t make sense for Wanda to go that way after her whole series of dealing with her grief, she just shrugged and said “yeah but Wanda is a villain in the comics and she had the House of M story” — I don’t know the accuracy of that but that’s certainly the sort of stuff that gets thrown about a lot on MCU hype sites like screenrant.

I think I’ve grown pretty good at ignoring MCU canon these days. And I think that’s what you have to do. I’ve seen a lot of support for Wanda though, even if it’s along the lines of “she’s hot while murdering people”. It’s sad because I think the series did an amazing job at fleshing out her character and lending credence to her vulnerability. She’s someone orphaned at a young age and grew up with a war, there is a lot of trauma and loss and misguided naïveté guiding her actions. I don’t think Wanda has ever been intentionally selfish or evil, which is why DSMoM is disappointing for her story.

[ins0mnia-an0nym0us-au]

saw multiverse of madness last night | my thoughts

i'm going to put my non-spoiler thoughts above the read more! no worried friends!

so doctor strange is an asshole in every universe: confirmed

this movie made me care more about christine then the first one ever did

i did in fact say very loudly in the theater "holy shit" - more below read more

this movie isn't a 10/10 for me but it's a solid 7/10 & it's a DIFFERENT feeling marvel movie which i'm here for. i want marvel to branch out from the normal formula. even if it means we get 5/10 (*cough* eternals *cough*) or 7/10 (this film) because we finally get some VARIETY & we might get some fuckin amazing movies like Shang-Chi which was a solid 9/10 if not 10/10

okay spoilers below. read at own risk

i can already hear the wanda haters being like "see? she is the villain" & missing the whole point of her entire storyline. but somehow they still stan Loki, Bucky, etc. if you're one of those just go away cuz i'mma be honest

it was fun seeing wanda fuck everyone up. cause yeah. she's been through shit & where has everyone been to help her through it?

parents dead after growing up in a war-torn country which she is now forced to grow up in without them

brother dead

avengers broken apart by the accords & she's locked away in the raft

on the run

has to kill the man she loves & then watches thanos rip a hole in his head & then is snapped for 5 years

comes back to a lot of people dead or just gone

accidentally creates a false reality to cope & ends up having to erase her newly formed husband & children from existence

the avengers honestly needed a therapist on staff lmao. but ANYWAY

it was funny to see how she still is shit at lying. she could fabricate an entire reality but can't lie for shit. her vs the illuminati (we will get to them in a min) ICONIC. wanda maximoff deserves the title of the most powerful avenger/being cause DAMN

when i heard they were bringing in america chavez i was a little worried just cause i'm not a fan of a lot of her stuff in the comics. she's written poorly in my opinion but the MCU did her right. i loved her & Xochitl Gomez? we should def keep an eye on her. she's great

the horror aspect of this film is that variety i'm talking about. the jump scares that got me??? i jumped more during this movie than any recent horror film lmaoooo

i did in fact say very loudly in the theater "holy shit" when Mr. Fantastic was revealed & i am not ashamed of it

but also that entire line-up left me SHOOK

Anson Mount reprising his role from the Inhuman tv series

John Krasinski one of the best fan-casts actually be cast as Mr. Fantastic

Lashana Lynch??? Photon??? Maria Rambeau??? as CAPTAIN MARVEL???

Hayley Atwell - thank you for playing the live action Captain Carter

Sir Patrick Stewart dressed in a green suit and sitting in that iconic yellow hover chair while the '97 x-men theme played???

and yeah Chiwetel Ejiofor was there but like we knew that & he's like a known character that's been around or whatever

okay. but also those ULTRON bots? that indicates 2 possibilities

we got the regular MCU canon but this time Ultron WORKED to some extent aka Tony didn't completely fuck it up

a version Hank Pym's (the original ant-man) entire storyline was there. which *makes dying noise* Hank Pym not being a founding member of the avengers in the MCU is fine & i love Scott Lang but Ultron was such a key point of his (Hank's) story in the comics. turning him into Tony's problem was interesting but also like???

for ANOTHER THING - the cameos in that universe of Black Bolt & Professor X mean that in other universes Inhumans exist which means terrigan mists exist but also that X-men exist meaning the mutant gene exists??? all of which could somehow come bleeding into our universe or eventually come to the MCU

okay what are some other big things... oh yah

so Wanda destroyed the temple/shrine thing which held the original writings of the Darkhold which somehow destroyed every Darkhold in every universe. does that mean there was only one temple across all the multiverse? also Chthon might be pissed off about her destroying that temple or whatever & uh this could lead to the storyline of him using her body as a vessel on Earth. also for anyone who doesn't know Chthon is the literal God of Chaos in marvel lore... so like... yah.

alright lesbians

Charlize Theron is in the MCU now. it was only a matter of time but damn. did they have to make her a hetero???

so Charlize Theron is playing Clea & is from the Dark Dimension. she's like the sorcerer supreme of the Dark Dimension. idk all the details but in the comics she's Doctor Strange's like biggest love or whatever - big L for me cause i think Doctor Strange is a dickbag but whatever. i don't think they ever stay together in the comics. it's a spicy on-off relationship cause his true love is magic or whatever

so smaller things um

why was the makeup on zombie strange's eyes so bad? like you could tell where the mask started & his face ended near the eyes. that's yikes for marvel quality

the title feels misleading as they were really leaning on the multiverse aspect of the title. when in reality we traveled to like 2 different universes. that's not that like fantastical. people are going in with different expectations & YES i know it's a play on the mouth of madness but not everyone knows that

in the end though. i enjoyed myself -

except for the teen-girl next to me filming the whole movie on her phone who wouldn't shut-up or sit still. i hope she never sees another movie in theaters or gets caught recording movies on her phone.

good movie. not the best marvel movie. but still a good movie. 7/10

[lonelyghosts-stuff]

MCU Phase 4 Rant

Phase 4 has really left me feeling empty and upset with the mcu so far so i wanted to rant about it just to clear my mind. if you disagree with anything i say, that’s fine but know that your different opinion does not in any way invalidate mine.

I honestly didn't have an issue with wandavision until the end of the show when she didn't face the consequences of her actions. she didn't intentionally hurt people, but she didn't accept the consequences when she learned she did. the bullcrap about her making a sacrifice or something was so dumb. and then the criminalizing the dude trying to FREE A TOWN OF ENSLAVED PEOPLE was ridiculous. its like, near the the end of the show they realized he wasn't a compelling villain so they tripled down and made him jump from trying to save the town to straight up ATTEMPTED CHILD MURDER OUT OF NO WHERE. like yea okay, sure.

falcon and the winter soldier made it seem like tony didn't care about the others and that cap would forget about sharon. that coupled with a nonsensical plot with a weak antagonist butchered the show. "do better" and "don't call them terrorists" were terrbiel lines that shouldn't have even left the drafting phase. then the race subplot with isaiah provides further retconning and other issues but it also felt forced given the blm protests and riots at the time of filming. and then the criminalization of john who, while he wasn't a good cap, wasn't even given the chance. he at least tried but nooo it's funny when the dora milaje try to MURDER him and lemar. at least it was entertaining and mackie and stan's chemistry was brilliant. i think, even though i didn't really like the show, it has the most rewatchability of the three.

loki hurt me the most as he was my favorite character. the plot itself was fine, but the characterization of loki was terrible. they completely glossed over, yet again, what happened to him between thor 1 and the avengers 2. additionally, despite giving him more powers, they nerfed him even further. they made him into a joke and then brought in sylvie like she was his superior which is just such an insult to loki and the fans who have been wanting this show for HIM for so long. he gets made into a joke, nerfed, and set aside to set up sylvie. yea we got some nice emotional moments and confirmation that he wasn't evil, but it was done in such a rushed and sloppy way. unfortunately, owen wilson and tom hiddleston's chemistry was not enough to save this show.

and we got black widow which was just so bad. bad writing, directing, characterization, etc. characters made illogical choices, had invincible plot armor, they butchered nats character so much (yea right like she'd not check in even once on the people from her past??? we know how much family means to her! and she makes such dumb decisions in the movie too). they turn potentially great, serious and emotional moments into flat out jokes. they disrespected the character so much in order to set up yelena. i just got into marvel during the pandemic as i needed something as a pick me up as i was going through a lot of crap. at the time, i felt it was the perfect time to come into the universe with all the shows coming out. i loved the shows when i first watched them as i was riding the high of experiencing them for the first time and when they first came out, but now that i have had time to digest them and think about them more, i am upset. they ruined so much and have really lowered any expectations i have of future installments. if i see any of the same directors or writers from these projects on future mcu projects, my expectations will immediately drop.

[youngbugandtonystank]

And now anti Tony people are blaming him for letting Sam’s family being in financial trouble wtf the man is dead! Let him rest!

Yeah, I saw. 

They’re definitely going to keep doing that, gotta say, the MCU never failed with Tony's character, they created circumstances for him exactly just like Stan envisioned. The ‘love-to-hate’ trope is strong when it comes to him, this is what Stan wanted out of Tony Stark's relationship with his fans/audience. Thing is, the reality of the MCU superhero is that they’re all flawed. None of them are exempt from anything. Why Tony gets more hate than the others?

He’s the most popular character. There’s no discussion in this instance. Popular superheroes that first come to people’s minds are always Batman, Iron Man and Spider-Man. Tony Stark/Iron Man is a pop culture legend and the fact that RDJ got to portray him as great as he did, helped a lot. People are always going to circle back to the character who has more hype and audience. 

He’s the one with the money. The fact that Tony is swimming in money automatically makes him the target of the ‘eat the rich’ mentality. People fail to remember that other characters such as T’Challa (who has more money than Tony would ever wish to see and lives in the most technologically advanced country in the world), Shuri, Thor (a literal king with a kingdom), The Pym family, Danny Rand (he has a net worth of $5 billion and is one of the richest comic book characters of all time), etc exist. And we still haven’t seen the other Marvel characters (in the MCU) that are richer than Tony like Reed Richards, Professor X, Warren Worthington, Norman Osborn, Namor, Doctor Doom, etc. 

Even if some of us see RDJ as attractive and good looking, some people don’t. For them, RDJ is nothing compared to Chris Evans, Chris Hemsworth, Sebastian Stan, etc. It’s easier to hate a character you don’t find attractive. And also the fact that they find those actors relatively younger than RDJ. 

It’s the most shippable character. This also means he must be in the way of some other ships. Even if this sounds unbelievable, many people don’t get their irrational hate for a character until it dawns on them that they only hate him because he either treated one half of their ship unfairly or because he’s in the way of that ship. The more reasons they can find to hate him, the more legitimate their senseless hatred seems in their minds.

People don’t call out characters like T’Challa or Shuri because they’re scared of being called ‘racist’. T’Challa is so rich that Howard Stark could only buy (just an assumption, it’s a possibility he stole the vibranium lmao) only a portion of vibranium to build Steve’s shield, and because is the world’s most indestructible material, his worth is approximately $10,000 a gram (Fantastic Four #607) and Wakanda's vaults hold 10,000 tons of the material (Doomwar #1) T’Challa is not a billionaire, he’s a trillionaire lmaoooo everyone else is a joke compared to him.

Even having all of this info, Tony and T’Challa owe nothing to anyone.

T’Challa helped Bucky because of his principles (Tony offered to do this at the beginning as well until of course, he found out he killed his parents) but because of that, that doesn't mean T’Challa owes Steve, Sam, Wanda, and Natasha money or housing assistance. He didn't give it to them at all and he doesn’t have to. 

James Rhodes: Well. You guys really look like crap. Must've been a rough couple of years.

Sam Wilson: Yeah, well, the hotels weren't exactly five star.

Wanna know why? Because T’Challa knows they’re adults and they make their own decisions. Sam chose to be on Steve’s side, Wanda did too, Natasha too, etc. Adults make decisions and they should deal with the consequences that come with that. Tony was not going to deal with their financial problems because they made a choice and it’s not his problem to deal with. Tony is not their father. People need to ask themselves why Sam was not in the ‘lift the hammer’ scene after the party, because he wasn’t familiar with them, he wasn’t friends with Tony, only with Steve. Besides that fact, they all fought Tony, hurt his best friend, and left him to deal with the rest in CW. They’re not family.

Sam Wilson: No, I'm not actually sorry. I'm just trying to sound tough. I'm very happy chasing cold leads on our missing persons case. Avenging is your world. Your world is crazy. Steve Rogers: Be it ever so humble. Sam Wilson: You find a place in Brooklyn yet? Steve Rogers: I don't think I can afford a place in Brooklyn. Sam Wilson: Well, home is home, you know?

There’s absolutely no reason Steve can’t afford a place. He’s an adult, he has a good reputation, he worked for shield (why aren’t yall on Nick Fury’s ass if he had Steve and the others as employees? Fury set an entire place for Clint, why can’t he do it for the rest of them, he is the founder of the Avengers after all), and was pretty much capable of doing stuff for others. Tony provided them with a home while they were working together, he doesn’t need to concern himself with their personal problems because they’re not actual friends. Rhodey is his friend. Happy is his friend. Also consider the fact that maybe Sam didn’t want his help? 

And let’s also take into consideration that Tony is not only an Avenger, but Tony is also a businessman, an inventor, an engineer, has a company to keep an eye on, he is the one who finances the Avengers’ messes and other superhero messes too by co-owning the department of damage control, etc. He has other things to do. The rest of the Avengers are adults too, they should seek a job that could give them a future too, not just depend on Tony’s money. Tony had a family and he had to make sure they were covered after his death, this includes, Pepper (his wife, therefore she gets his stuff), Peter (his son, he left him EDITH, he’s basically set for life with that given the A.I. has access to the majority of his things including bank accounts), Morgan (his daughter; his responsibility), Happy and Rhodey (I’m sure we’ll see what he left them in Armor Wars). Why? They’re his actual family. 

If some of you know this and you’re still looking for reasons to put the blame on him, you’re failing to recognize you’re obsessed with hating Tony just for the sake of being right. Wouldn’t you like a life where you don’t have to constantly look for reasons to hate on a fictional character, better yet, a character you don’t like at all. Why the effort? You can love Tony and Sam at the same time, I promise you, this is not going to kill you. 

So please, instead of whining about Tony Stark all the time, why don’t yall just enjoy the fact that the show is showing you a vital and important event that happens in life while representing a part of Sam’s life to add to his emotional depth and character development? Especially because he’s a superhero and possibly the next Captain America, it’s good to see someone who is supposed to be a figure (superhero) whose actions or achievements are far greater than what people expect deal with normal things. They’re giving you a background; a solid storyline for his character. Let it be. Enjoy the shows yall, you can’t keep coming back to blame Tony for everything that happens after every single movie or Disney+ show, look for another metaphorical punching bag. The man is dead. 

[team-cap-for-the-win]

Hi so i wanted to say few things just to get it out of my system.(im new to tumblr dont kno how this works whtvr)

i hate it when people put steve in this bubble of perfection. And i dont mean people who make heart eyes and claim steve is the perfect human being. The people whom im talking about is the ones who demand and expect steve to be that way, when he clearly never claimed he is perfect. When i put myself in steve's shoes, i realize how goddamn frustrating it'd be. People would be waiting for him to make a mistake so that they can prove he is this horrible human being(or at least a flawed person, which is such a high standard) people are allowed to have flaws and make mistakes bc it's in human nature and in steve's case i never see people realize it's like he has to be perfect bc hey he's captain america. I feel this way strongly specially in avengers 2012 when tony says steve is gonna do smt wrong and it's gonna blow up in his face AND he's gonna be there when it happens. Like tony WANTS steve to make a mistake so that he can watch and enjoy it(why? Bc of his unsolved daddy issues). It applies to the fandom too. Tony attacks bucky but hey, it's justified bc, tony creates ultron BUT!!! it!s again justified bc reasons(traumatized, ptsd,cares about his friends etc.). Wanda did such and such and such but it's ok to make mistakes. Tony shot sam but his friend was injured. Especially when you point these to t*ny st*rk stans theyr like: can't you just accept that some characters can be flawed make mistakes and move on!!!

But when it comes to steve and what happened in siberia people r like:HoW dARe STEvE MAke a miStAKe ??!! HE iS a HyPOcriTe, a tWo FaCEd BaSTard! HE DESERVES DEATHHHHH!

thank u for coming to my ted talk jkskdjdj i always wanted to say that.

HELLO THERE!! YES, I ABSOLUTELY AGREE!

First of all, welcome to tumblr! It's nice to see new Steve fans coming in :D I think you're gonna get the hang of it soon!

And yeah, I've made and reblogged many posts about this topic in the past. For some reason, people put Steve on a really high pedestal and he's not allowed to make mistakes because he's either a) perfect, and that means a mary sue, or b) the devil incarnate that is the root of all issues and the MCU. You can't have it both ways, guys.

The thing that upsets me the most is that yes, Steve made a mistake in Civil War by not telling Tony, but he not only regrets it, he also tries to own up to it, and apologises to Tony, which is something Tony has never done ever. And even then, people dunk on his apology letter for being badly written or not considerate or something.

It's just this incredibly high standard that he has to constantly live up to, and the moment he steps out of line, the fandom is ready to crucify him. It is very, very annoying. Thankfully, this side of the fandom has died out a lot, I think it experienced a high when Civil War came out. And then again with Endgame, and that hate is still around, but what can we do? Make good posts about Steve, since that's all we have left...

On that topic! In my opinion, it would be interesting to me if we were to translate this trend into the MCU (in fanfiction form, of course! Don't know if you read that sort of thing, but bear with me). That means: what if the people in the MCU act and treat Steve like the stans do? How many of them view him as perfect Captain America without looking at Steve Rogers? And how long can he go on like that, trying to live up to that title, and not fail or disappoint anyone? Steve is a character that has very often had a dichotomy between himself and his superhero persona, as can be seen in the comics. There were times he gave up the mantle, even going as far as claiming that: "It is time for Captain America to die, so that Steve Rogers can live."

Why am I telling you all this? Well, I would love to see more stories explore just how much pressure is put on him, and how he still endures it and doesn't give up. Additionally, we could have other characters realise what's going on, notice how hard he's pushing himself, talk about it, and support him when they find out just how unhappy he is, how out of sync he is with, well, being Steve.

If there was one thing missing in the MCU, it was more stress put on the distinction between Steve and Cap. I would have loved to see more of that, in canon or otherwise.

Anyway. I've been rambling for a while now and I hope you liked my idea, because in my opinion taking this bad faith reading and turning into something nice and thoughtful is the best way to combat these sorts of opinions ;)

Once again, welcome to tumblr, thanks for stopping by, and I hope you enjoy your stay here :D

(PS: you can check out the #pro steve rogers for more positivity!)

[bloodstained-ballgowns]

So...*inhales deeply* Taskmaster. Spoilers, obviously.

I want to start this by saying that I would call myself a comics!Taskmaster fan. I don’t want anyone saying “yeah but you haven’t read the comics” because I have. I know what it’s like when a character or storyline that you love gets the big screen treatment and it’s not at all what you imagined. I can sympathise with that.

But the only reason dudebros are mad is because it’s a woman. That’s it. I can say that with confidence. They keep crying “we wanted Tony Masters”, but the fact is that if Mason had been revealed to be behind that mask, like a lot of us thought, they would be fine with it. “We wanted to see his humour and strength”, they sob. No, they wanted another male power fantasy they could project onto, and now that it’s a woman, they won’t get that. (Well...they didn’t in this movie at least.)

Kevin Feige knew exactly which group he was targeting when he put Taskmaster in this movie. He needed a way to draw non-Nat stans to the theatre. And he knew exactly what he was doing when he put Antonia Dreykov in that suit. This is not a Mandarin-twist misstep, he knew what the backlash would be when he approved it. He just doesn’t care. 

I think it’s pretty obvious that this is not the end of Taskmaster? The thing is, now that they made the skill set all down to technology in the MCU, it means that anyone can wield it. Tony Masters can still show up, and likely will do soon. I’m not sure Antonia’s gonna be crazy about hanging on to the symbol of her oppression when she has things like, I don’t know, building a life and identity, to worry about. (Or, inversely, she may want to hold onto the only power she’s ever known and use it for her own means, after all it’s only evil in the wrong hands, but I digress). 

I thought it was genius, to be honest. That little girl, that explosion in Budapest, being the thing to tie everything together, being a physical reflection of Natasha’s guilt when Taskmaster’s power is that they can mirror anyone...ugh it’s so good.

Yes, I do think Taskmaster was underused. I wish she’d had more hand-to-hand fight scenes because even though I guess it was cool for some people to see her pull out Hawkeye’s bow or throw the shield like Steve or do the ‘Wakanda Forever’ gesture, I only cared about her fighting Nat, mirroring Nat, which we got to see, like, once. But that was my only problem with how they handled her, really.

Basically, episode 274820743829 of dudebros forgetting the main character is not, in fact, the male antagonist they want to see fuck shit up because ✨violence✨, but actually a woman who just happens to also be the title character of the movie they paid for, and therefore thoroughly missing the point.

[uhthor]

I didn’t even watch IM 3, but what pisses me off about it is that Tony has PTSD. Yes, it’s important to show that characters have ptsd, it’s real and should be normalized more. But ONLY TONY? A whole movie dedicated to it? Tony’s the only one who was shown to have ptsd, and that fueled the fire of his fans using it as an excuse. His stans say Steve doesn’t have it????? Thor, Nat, Bruce, BUCKY? Tony’s fans care more about Tony’s mental health issues than they do Bucky’s, the longest serving POW who was regularly tortured for 7 decades

THANK YOU!!!

as someone who has had an anxiety disorder for her entire life, people praising the very basic and minimal representation of anxiety in im3 as if it’s revolutionary and the most honest portrayal they’ve ever seen upsets me.

having a portrayal of anxiety or ptsd like they did in im3 and openly labelling it as such takes away the reality. ptsd and anxiety portrayals like that of thor in infinity war and endgame (albeit it mostly terrible in the latter) were more honest. it’s messy and it’s never the same as someone else’s experience. tony’s experience was too clear cut and polished to be that realistic for me. yes it was great to have open portrayals of mental health in the media in 2013 but to say that it was the best/praise it to such high levels? not for me

tony stans irritate the fuck out of me when they say shit like he is the only one who has suffered... it’s not even a case of whether you like another character more and want to defend them (aka me with thor or bruce) it’s just the logical example of this character has had a very hard time and it should be recognised and put up there as one of the worst in place of a privileged billionaire white boy who actively chooses to ignore solving most of his problems and refuses to try and better himself. examples include: bucky, thor, steve, natasha, yelena, bruce, carol, sam, loki, hope, wanda (even though i despise her and it’s a can of worms we do not want to open rn) and so many other characters. like... these people have suffered on another level, some way more than others.

it’s cheap and nasty to try and belittle the suffering of other characters in favour of one of your own faves, but to actively ignore that other characters have it worse and continually preach that your fave has it the worst when it’s not true really irritates me. just because they haven’t had a movie or six hours of a tv show to explore their grief and ptsd and other issues, doesn’t mean they aren’t there... of course it is subjective how you interpret characters and storylines but some things (such as the tragedy of bucky barnes and his brainwashing and torture for seven decades, thor losing everyone he ever loved and cared for, natasha being tortured and turned into a weapon since childhood) are absolute and come nowhere near the suffering of other characters (tony and his supposed “worst suffering in the whole mcu”) it’s a different ball game entirely