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"sHe's tHe sMaRtEsT pErSoN I'vE eVeR mEt"
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“Arya had named her after the warrior queen of the Rhoyne, who had led her people across the narrow sea.”
I love that this is the first detail that we get about Nymeria from Arya’s perspective. The show made Arya’s icon Visenya, and while I’ll agree it was a good opportunity for a lore dump, I feel like Nymeria gets to the core of Arya’s character in a way Visenya just doesn’t. Yes, Nymeria was a warrior. Yes, she and her people eventually fought against Valyria, but the thing Nymeria is known for is her ten thousand ships:
“Legend tells us that Nymeria took ten thousand ships to sea, searching for a new phome for her people beyond the long reach of Valyria and its dragonlords. Beldecar argues that this number was vastly inflated, perhaps as much as tenfold. Other chroniclers offer other numbers, but in truth no true count was ever made. We can safely say there were a great many ships. Most were river craft, skiffs and poleboats, trading galleys, fishing boats, pleasure barges, even rafts, their decks and holds crammed full of women and children and old men. Only one in ten was remotely seaworthy.” -TWOIAF
This is the most blatant historical parallel of the pack mentality that Arya holds dear to in she entire story. It didn’t matter if the ships were seaworthy, it didn’t matter who was in them; the Roynar were her people and she was getting them out of there.
Like,
“Gendry and Hot Pie were city-born, and in the city smallfolk walked. Yoren had given them mounts when he took them from King's Landing, but sitting on a donkey and plodding up the kingsroad behind a wagon was one thing. Guiding a hunting horse through wild woods and burned fields was something else.
She would make much better time on her own, Arya knew, but she could not leave them. They were her pack, her friends, the only living friends that remained to her.”
Of course Nymeria is Arya’s hero!!
Yes, the name of Arya’s wolf does show her gender non-conformity and her rejection of a traditional “lady’s” role. However (and imo more importantly), it shows that, to Arya, “warrior” is synonymous with “protector.”
#arya stark#asoiaf#arya I#anti got#kind of#seven chapters in I’m already shitting on the show#oopsie#I am a hater I guess#especially where arya is concerned#rant rant rant#maybe if I could write better I’d call it meta idk#valyrianscrolls
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It's crazy that people still uphold show!Sansa as a well-written character and pretend that liking her is the pinnacle of feminism when it would be infinitely more impactful to acknowledge her terrible and misogynistic writing. This is the same character who, while written by two men, was thankful for the abuse she suffered because it allowed her to grow. The same character who we had to be told was smart because the writers were too lazy to develop or show her intelligence. The same character who had to rely heavily on the men surrounding her and ended up accomplishing nothing on her own merit ( and no, thinking that she deserved to be Queen doesn't mean that she earned it). She is not well-written, she is not complex, and she is not a feminist character. Which is fine! If you enjoy her then good on you, but please stop pretending that she's something she isn't just because you feel the need to justify liking her character
#anti got#anti d&d#anti show sansa#anti sansa stans#like literally one of the worst written characters on that show because they tried so hard to make her the most important#while being entirely incompetent and their only method of doing so was to steal from other characters which ruined the plot#the only arguable achievement was defeating LF but even then it's written in the script that she had to go to Bran to explain things#/she rallied the Vale army!/ no she didn't 😭 she wrote a letter to LF and he did everything. instead of showing her arc in the Vale and#her learning about politics to rally them herself they took the quickest route to give her a /badass/ savior scene#which only ended up making her look selfish + power-hungry for putting her brothers' lives at risk for not telling anybody about said lette#and idiotic in the aftermath after relying once again on LF even though he was very obviously manipulating her#/pawn to player/ sounds catchy on paper but without seeing that growth/development it doesn't work#Arya was terribly written but at least we /saw/ her training in a way we never did with Sansa#and people try to apply this same logic to the books and think she's gonna suddenly spring forth as a political mastermind#when that's not how George writes...we see characters develop and make mistakes on page and get actual earned growth#feminism isn't defending the writing of two men who gave her a rape plot not in the books because they thought it was /interesting/#when the only aspect of that plot they adapted was a woman suffering abuse :/#and as per usual with stansas their only /evidence/ of her being well-written is accusing you of being misogynistic if you don't like her
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Can antis like, keep away from Daenerys please?
I'm so tired of seeing people writing out crap that Daenerys will be the villain, Jon is better, she is mad, calling her Danielle, yada yada. Just say you don't like her (because she is ultimately better than your fave) and go.
I'm also tired of seeing people giving the Starks (especially Sansa) her traits. I've seen edits of people making Sansa a Targ, people talking about how she'll get Daenerys' dragons, that Jon will kill Dany for her, etc.
Just keep Daenerys' name out of your mouth if you hate her and can't stand that she is strong, independent, and has an amazing character arc. A majority of Daenerys fans don't like other asoiaf characters, but you hardly see any of them going on a tangent about how much they hate that character. Usually it's us Dany fans defending anti hate against Dany and also defending antis hate on Dany to prop up their own fave (mainly Sansa).
I heavily have a high disdain for show!Sansa (she's alright in the books, not my fave but she's much better compared to the garbage that is her show character). But I don't go out of my way to hate on her, diss her character, write pointless metas about her going "mad", "evil", or "dark". Nor do I see any other Dany fan doing so. We don't hate on Sansa to prop up Dany. We don't give Dany character traits of other characters/Sansa. We don't speculate about how she'll die or get killed or manipulated by another man. It's disgusting.
It's also disgusting seeing anti hate towards Arya. Arya is my second favorite female character in asoiaf. She isn't ugly, she isn't crazy or some violent murderer, she isn't going to be permanently warged into Nymeria and become Sansa's; nor is she going to become Sansa's assigned assassin to kill all her enemies while Sansa and Jon live in lala land. It's not going to happen.
It is so disgusting how a vast majority of Arya and Dany fans don't do half the things their antis/Sansa stans do, yet they go out of their way to bash these wonderful characters to prop up their own fave or to get them out of the way for Sansa or Jon (mainly Jon fans who bash Daenerys to prop Jon up and cheer Jon for killing her).
We can talk about our faves without bashing another character, making metas about them that don't even follow the text, and just being outright nasty.
Do better. Just keep away from Daenerys and Arya.
#daenerys targeryan#daenerys defence squad#daenerys stormborn#daenerys appreciation#daenerys targaryen#mother of dragons#pro daenerys targaryen#breaker of chains#khaleesi#team daenerys#arya stark#anti show sansa#anti sansa stans#anti jonsa#mad about Dany and Arya being better#keep their names out of your mouth if you hate them and move on#fandom discourse
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Τhe difference between Asoiaf Arya and Got Arya and why the former will always be superior:
#arya stark#anti got#valyrianscrolls#a post of ice and fire#they did her dirty on the show#my poor baby
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Laurel rewatch GoT - Part 15
A name for Gendry
In the books Arya adds Dunsen to her list for the simple crime of robbing Gendry of his helmet. Even after parting ways with Gendry on less than happy terms, she continues to repeat Dunsen's name in her prayer. It may be just a stolen object, but it seems clear that for her the wrong suffered by the Bull is very serious, in fact she places it on the same level as Polliver robbing her of Needle.
In the show, Arya adds three names to the list because of Gendry. These are Beric and Thoros, who betrayed him and sold him like one sells a slave, and Melisandre who bought him and essentially kidnapped him with the veiled intention of harming him. Except that at a certain point she totally forgets that for some reason, and removes them from the list. And the most wtf thing is that we find out about this change the same night she and Gendry have sex. I mean, she's been flirting with him for days, it's clear that she's still fond of him... but since he survived Dragonstone, I guess the buying and selling of human beings is forgiven and forgotten?!
#arya stark#gendry#gendrya#asoiaf#anti got#laurel rewatch got#part 15#me talking abot the show in 2024#I'm no actually rewatching#but when I am home sick my head go places
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What show only fans will never understand its true importance:
The house with the red door
Needle
The direwolves
The dragon dreams
The wolf dreams
The birth of Drogon, Viserion and Rhaegal
Dany ending the slavery in Essos
#its funny how the dragons are deeply connected with the magic and well being of the land#and the show only adressed them as 'nukes' and 'war machines'#they are MAGICAL your grace#the direwolves having its true importance in the plot instead of only being there to be cute and pet them#needle and arya being her connection with who she truly is her love for her family her home and especially for jon#the prophetic dragon dreams#the warging#all the importance of Danys arc surrounding Meeren and Slavers Bay for her character development as a SAVIOUR and a HERO#anyway#d&d ruining everything#what else is new#anti hbo#anti d&d#anti got#books >>>> show
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Every time I get a reminder of that wretched season I like imagining doing this to D&D the lazy sloppy hacks. And also to those dumb idiots who say Dany “is going mad in the books and it’s gonna make sense”. I see too many of those comments and honestly? Those people are as stupid as the ones Tuco Salamanca calls “biznatch”
#daenerys targaryen#asoiaf#anti d&d#fuck the show ending#fuck d&d#they ruined jon and arya’s relationship and their characters#anti anti dany#anti dany bs#to all the idiots saying she’s gonna go mad in the books#and that it made sense and was just rushed#one word for you:#BIZNATCH
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If cheese’s dog shows up next to a dead body in episode 3 I will officially be claiming that the dog is the night king. which will confirm that ser pounce is azor ahai. wake up sheeple
#cheese dog is heavily associated with death!!! and what does cregan call the zombies?? DEATH!!#the north guards from DEATH!!! and now death is getting into westeros because jace didn’t make the pact!!#it’s all coming together#think man think why was the night king so easily killed by arya in the show#it’s because THATS NOT THE REAL NIGHT KING!!#she simply SHATTERED CHEESE DOGS HUMAN BODY ARMOR!!#anti targs are right this story isn’t about the characters that george is writing#he’s too smart for that#this is all an elaborate exploration of the age old debate: cats or dogs?#and george being a nerd is obviously pro cat
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Can the clowns for one (1) second stop acting like Aemond only has hatred for Aegon. Christ.
#tbd#anti team black stans#(bc lbr mostly its them)#(like i'm sorry you do not have to cope this embarrassingly bc the boy you like is on the team you don't pls stop lmao)#Aemond Targaryen#Aegon II Targaryen#just bc his relationship with his idiot brother is complex doesn't mean he doesn't love him#which you'd think would be obvious but some of the people int his fandom are really that stupid#you take his 'it is i who' monologue to the the most uneducated conclusion you possibly could#listen no one questions how much alicent loves aegon despite him being terrible#but for some reason i see people living in the peak delusion that aemond despises aegon on every level#like they may fight but the show gave you more than enough evidence that they got each other#you are...how do i say this...stupid.#i'm havin warflashbacks to the morons thinking there would only ever be hatred between sansa and arya and that arya would murder her#listen yes since they're targs there are more crimes and disasters to account for#but it really is just 'i don't understand how siblings work' 2: electric boogaloo#fandom wank
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On violence being used to sympathize with the female character: I find it scary how D&D read Theon's arc and thought "what a cool story, let's put Sansa in Jeyne's place?? She doesn't do anything in the Vale anyway"Because what she went through in KL wasn't enough, she had to suffer more. Even S0phie T. said in the behind-the-scenes book that she loved this arc because Sansa finally gained fans. I would hate to know that it ONLY now appears fans because my character was raped.
It is seriously fucked up indeed. Like the thought process they had to go through in order to conclude that Sansa needs to have Jeyne's arc. Indeed, that was the end of Arya as the protagonist we are supposed to sympathise with and Sansa as her foil : Sansa became central, but as a symbol of martyrdom, not as a fully fledged character. Yeah I know she became a girlboss later on but that was bullshit, so so forced, like a reward for what she went through.
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Northern Lords rallying for Arya aka "Valiant Ned's precious little girl" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jon and Sansa having to go door to door to ask for support like beggars
#arya stark#asoiaf#anti got#anti d&d#the downfall of GOT aka the Stark sister's are NOT interchangeable#the North remembers in the books...in the show the North has dementia#I hate that they reduced Arya's importance but I love that they did such a piss poor job of adapting that plot#Arya's right in the middle of the Northern plot in the books and the show barely even had a Northern plot lol#D&D being hacks who can't probably adapt a storyline /pretends to act shocked/
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I'm genuinely starting to feel insane after being some time on the internet for asoiaf stuff.
Sometimes a fanon interpretation shared by so many people will gaslight you into thinking YOU're not smart enough to understand it when, in reality, no, the collective of a fandom can indeed just be misinterpreting a character beyond parody. It's not you, it's them
#asoiaf#arya stark#game of thrones#anti d&d#daenerys targaryen#jon snow#literally everyone on that show#but so many fans lump the show with book canon#im going insane
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The day people realize that a strong female character is not just a woman in armor with a sword in her hands who regrets that she was not born a man will be one of the best days of my life.
Because what happens to Emma's character, and to any female character in HotD, is truly pathetic.
Yes, in Asoiaf and Got there are strong female warriors Arya, Brienne, Alyssa Targaryen, Baela, Ygritte, Meera, Black Aly, Asha, Obara and Nymeria Sand.
But were Olenna, Margaery, Queen Rhaenys, Missandei, Val, Tyene and Sarella Sand, Daenerys, Sansa, Shiera, Elaena, Rhaenyra, Alysanne, Rhaena, even Alicent, weak just because they were feminine and did not fight with physical force? Or even Meria Martell, the old Yellow Toad of Dorne, who was not a warrior, but it was during her reign that Dorne remained unconquered, and one of the Conquerors fell in battle along with his dragon.
Visenya and Daena fit both of these categories. They were both fierce beauties who could be feminine when they wanted to, but they could also defend themselves and were skilled in the use of weapons.
In any case, to be strong and be an influential person, it is not necessary to envy men and constantly wear armor. But it is much easier for the creators of HotD to give a woman a weapon or turn her into a victim than to make her character smart, charismatic and ambitious.
Everyone screams that HotD is feminist, but no. This show is as anti-feminist as possible.
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Another reason that Stansas hate the idea of Arya and Dany being friends (outside of them wanting to demonize Dany) is that they've convinced themselves that Dany and Sansa are the only main female characters, so if a Stark sister is going to have a significant relationship with Dany it has to be Sansa. Arya being constantly downplayed and treated like an accessory to Sansa has generally led to the consensus that her relationship with Dany will be defined by whatever Sansa's relationship (positive or negative) with her is. That's why Arya is always being left out of the "we were robbed of [x] female character friendship" conversations and why theories about Dany/Arya getting along are treated as Sansa hate; Arya, as a character, is seen as secondary to Sansa by a lot of people
#arya stark#anti sansa stans#Don't get me wrong I'm happy whenever people discuss Sansa/Dany parallels instead of pitting them against each other#but the difference in how their potential relationship gets discussed vs. Dany and Arya's is very obvious#and the root of it is that people don't want to perceive Arya as being her own important character outside of her relationship with Sansa#(but also that some people simple don't view Arya as an actual female character because they're misogynistic)#even though Dany/Arya have many parallels shared experiences + values and tons of foreshadowing#Show!Arya was the exact opposite of Book!Arya to justify her disliking Dany but somehow that never gets acknowledged#and people complain about Sansa and Dany not getting along in the show but Arya is ALWAYS being left out of the conversation 🥴#just made a post about this with receipts so they can't even pretend this is something I made up 😭#cause they sure do love to gaslight us about the shit they try to pull like we can't see them#this is why I need TWOW to come out so we can get Arya's Braavos arc and finally be free of the show's terrible writing#fandom nonsense
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i just find it hilarious on how quiet the so called anti-bullying crowd is on tumblr when it comes to aemond and not arya stark. when got was airing/when yall pick up 10 chapters to read its the constant whining about how sansa is a mean girl who is bullying aryas looks and manners while DEAD SILENT when it was happening to aemond. it just goes to show on how anti targaryen the entirety of the stark stans are. i mean, it was non stop posting about sansa getting what she deserved when it was arya, but aemond did actually break through his bullies cycle and got revenge after all the pain that was inflicted to him and yet 0 people are out here seeing how that sets such an interesting example of how you can overcome bullying. just this episode he discussed his pain and experience from the whole trauma, even showing guilty towards the perpetrator but yall wont post about that bc bla bla bla targaryens are imperialist. funny that you are only anti-bullying when it concerns you
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