#anti show arya

[wearenorth]

"sHe's tHe sMaRtEsT pErSoN I'vE eVeR mEt"

[fromtheseventhhell]

Referring to Arya's development in Braavos as "brief descriptions" when her AFfC/ADwD chapters are almost entirely dedicated to showing us her training is...certainly a choice. Doing so to claim that Sansa has the more detailed learning arc? Pure clownery. You'd never guess from this response that the original post was about detailing Arya's training with the FM (using quotes from the book!) and makes no mention of Sansa anywhere. Notably this response provides no evidence from the books and makes objectively false claims; nowhere across five books is Sansa mentioned to have a grasp of High Valyrian but, of course, Sansa has to be handed every skill that Arya has without any page space dedicated to learning it. I know this is a wild concept, but Arya exists as her own character and not everything about her story can be applied to Sansa.

[asongofstarkandtargaryen]

Τhe difference between Asoiaf Arya and Got Arya and why the former will always be superior:

[death-of-cats]

Reek III ADWD

it still sticks in my craw that the show writers took this dialogue, bastardized it, and gave it to Arya and Tywin instead of Theon and Roose, thereby completely missing the point of the scene.

(i mean, i get it. charles dance is a good actor and they wanted to use him, and this is a memorable bit of dialogue. but it went to show that even in season 2 the show runners were prioritizing snappy moments over character development)

To spell it out - in this scene Roose has just seen how his bastard son has transformed Theon, not just physically but mentally as well. Roose knew Theon from before when he was Reek, so he knows how much a change Ramsay has wrought. In this scene Roose is both probing the extant of the damage as well as seeing if he can similarly get Theon to transform himself for him. The point: do not be fooled by the soft voice and quiet demeanor. Roose takes as much pleasure in toying with people and subjugating them as Ramsay does. There’s also a hint of competitiveness with Ramsay as well - Roose finds Ramsay’s methods too crude, too obvious. He’s showing he can do the same thing without any open brutality.

[ladyaryawolf]

... A bit late to that... but... We are really back to "Arya is ugly" discourse, arent we?

I really tried to see the original post, but it didnt appeared.

Eitherway, it is impressive for me how every few years, we always come back to the same discussions.

Regarding Arya being pretty... Well. There is nothing to say. She is pretty. Canonically speaking. Word by word. In the book.

Jon

Ned

Edric

Gendry

Lady Smallwood

The Kindly Man

Idk if The sailors of Braavos count

Vs

Sansa

Jeyne Poole

Septa Mordane

So if we go by that is literally a 6 x 3 if we don't count the sailors of Braavos. And I am pretty sure I am forgetting a few people since I havent read the series in ages.

Idk you guys, but it seems to have more people who finds her pretty than people who finds her ugly. Lets not forget that Sansa and Jeyne (but especially Sansa) is literally Arya's bully, so her opinion is quite... uk? Not very trustworthy. Very unreliable. Like most part of the things in her POV.

[daenerystargaryen06]

Can antis like, keep away from Daenerys please?

I'm so tired of seeing people writing out crap that Daenerys will be the villain, Jon is better, she is mad, calling her Danielle, yada yada. Just say you don't like her (because she is ultimately better than your fave) and go.

I'm also tired of seeing people giving the Starks (especially Sansa) her traits. I've seen edits of people making Sansa a Targ, people talking about how she'll get Daenerys' dragons, that Jon will kill Dany for her, etc.

Just keep Daenerys' name out of your mouth if you hate her and can't stand that she is strong, independent, and has an amazing character arc. A majority of Daenerys fans don't like other asoiaf characters, but you hardly see any of them going on a tangent about how much they hate that character. Usually it's us Dany fans defending anti hate against Dany and also defending antis hate on Dany to prop up their own fave (mainly Sansa).

I heavily have a high disdain for show!Sansa (she's alright in the books, not my fave but she's much better compared to the garbage that is her show character). But I don't go out of my way to hate on her, diss her character, write pointless metas about her going "mad", "evil", or "dark". Nor do I see any other Dany fan doing so. We don't hate on Sansa to prop up Dany. We don't give Dany character traits of other characters/Sansa. We don't speculate about how she'll die or get killed or manipulated by another man. It's disgusting.

It's also disgusting seeing anti hate towards Arya. Arya is my second favorite female character in asoiaf. She isn't ugly, she isn't crazy or some violent murderer, she isn't going to be permanently warged into Nymeria and become Sansa's; nor is she going to become Sansa's assigned assassin to kill all her enemies while Sansa and Jon live in lala land. It's not going to happen.

It is so disgusting how a vast majority of Arya and Dany fans don't do half the things their antis/Sansa stans do, yet they go out of their way to bash these wonderful characters to prop up their own fave or to get them out of the way for Sansa or Jon (mainly Jon fans who bash Daenerys to prop Jon up and cheer Jon for killing her).

We can talk about our faves without bashing another character, making metas about them that don't even follow the text, and just being outright nasty.

Do better. Just keep away from Daenerys and Arya.

[thelustybraavosimaid]

You know, I don't think it's a reference for that [for romance]. It's a reference to a certain physical type, and a certain indication of what Jon finds admirable.

Why is Jon Snow the only character in ASoIaF who is not allowed to have a personal type? Why does he have to be "lying to himself" (how much sense does that make) about the kind of women he prefers when the author is saying this stuff himself?

[laurellerual]

Laurel rewatch GoT - Part 15

A name for Gendry

In the books Arya adds Dunsen to her list for the simple crime of robbing Gendry of his helmet. Even after parting ways with Gendry on less than happy terms, she continues to repeat Dunsen's name in her prayer. It may be just a stolen object, but it seems clear that for her the wrong suffered by the Bull is very serious, in fact she places it on the same level as Polliver robbing her of Needle.

In the show, Arya adds three names to the list because of Gendry. These are Beric and Thoros, who betrayed him and sold him like one sells a slave, and Melisandre who bought him and essentially kidnapped him with the veiled intention of harming him. Except that at a certain point she totally forgets that for some reason, and removes them from the list. And the most wtf thing is that we find out about this change the same night she and Gendry have sex. I mean, she's been flirting with him for days, it's clear that she's still fond of him... but since he survived Dragonstone, I guess the buying and selling of human beings is forgiven and forgotten?!

[g0lightly]

Arya according to ASOIAF canon:

Arya according to a certain subset of her stans and, for some reason as of late, targ nation types:

[whitedragonwolf4961]

Every time I get a reminder of that wretched season I like imagining doing this to D&D the lazy sloppy hacks. And also to those dumb idiots who say Dany “is going mad in the books and it’s gonna make sense”. I see too many of those comments and honestly? Those people are as stupid as the ones Tuco Salamanca calls “biznatch”

[fromtheseventhhell]

It's crazy that people still uphold show!Sansa as a well-written character and pretend that liking her is the pinnacle of feminism when it would be infinitely more impactful to acknowledge her terrible and misogynistic writing. This is the same character who, while written by two men, was thankful for the abuse she suffered because it allowed her to grow. The same character who we had to be told was smart because the writers were too lazy to develop or show her intelligence. The same character who had to rely heavily on the men surrounding her and ended up accomplishing nothing on her own merit ( and no, thinking that she deserved to be Queen doesn't mean that she earned it). She is not well-written, she is not complex, and she is not a feminist character. Which is fine! If you enjoy her then good on you, but please stop pretending that she's something she isn't just because you feel the need to justify liking her character

[mossytrashcan]

If cheese’s dog shows up next to a dead body in episode 3 I will officially be claiming that the dog is the night king. which will confirm that ser pounce is azor ahai. wake up sheeple

[decadentbutterflies]

I'm genuinely starting to feel insane after being some time on the internet for asoiaf stuff.

Sometimes a fanon interpretation shared by so many people will gaslight you into thinking YOU're not smart enough to understand it when, in reality, no, the collective of a fandom can indeed just be misinterpreting a character beyond parody. It's not you, it's them

[ladyaryawolf]

What show only fans will never understand its true importance:

The house with the red door

Needle

The direwolves

The dragon dreams

The wolf dreams

The birth of Drogon, Viserion and Rhaegal

Dany ending the slavery in Essos

[lovedreamer11]

The day people realize that a strong female character is not just a woman in armor with a sword in her hands who regrets that she was not born a man will be one of the best days of my life.

Because what happens to Emma's character, and to any female character in HotD, is truly pathetic.

Yes, in Asoiaf and Got there are strong female warriors Arya, Brienne, Alyssa Targaryen, Baela, Ygritte, Meera, Black Aly, Asha, Obara and Nymeria Sand.

But were Olenna, Margaery, Queen Rhaenys, Missandei, Val, Tyene and Sarella Sand, Daenerys, Sansa, Shiera, Elaena, Rhaenyra, Alysanne, Rhaena, even Alicent, weak just because they were feminine and did not fight with physical force? Or even Meria Martell, the old Yellow Toad of Dorne, who was not a warrior, but it was during her reign that Dorne remained unconquered, and one of the Conquerors fell in battle along with his dragon.

Visenya and Daena fit both of these categories. They were both fierce beauties who could be feminine when they wanted to, but they could also defend themselves and were skilled in the use of weapons.

In any case, to be strong and be an influential person, it is not necessary to envy men and constantly wear armor. But it is much easier for the creators of HotD to give a woman a weapon or turn her into a victim than to make her character smart, charismatic and ambitious.

Everyone screams that HotD is feminist, but no. This show is as anti-feminist as possible.

[fromtheseventhhell]

Northern Lords rallying for Arya aka "Valiant Ned's precious little girl" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jon and Sansa having to go door to door to ask for support like beggars