#anti mha stans

[mikeellee]

I recently saw a comic art of Izuku winning a place on a podium while Uraraka and Bakugou kiss in the background, and his distraught face at noticing them kissing as well as him purposely spraying champagne in his eyes the joke... I hate it here.

Cutting out the artist, no hate to them, but it sums up the fandoms awful tendency to make Izuku's pain - namely being cucked in this incidence - as a joke.

Hi @doodlegirl1998

Shocked how this never happened in canon and I'm serious considering how hoei dislike izu and loves to dunk on him...

And sure the op must have meant as a joke or maybe ships kachako, ship and let ship, but as a ship what a cruel thing to link your ship.

"I like them together bc they cucko this innocent character"

But yeah you are right...the fandom detest Izu and is all thanks to the framing. Izu is hated in and outside the story and....the funniest part, in a dark way, is how he is not an evil person ...he did nothing to warrant such hate.

(btw, I ship shigadeku more bc, with all the flaws and underveloped writing, got to admit, in a bizarre way, shig was one of the rare people who were happy to see Izu, unlike Ochako)

Actually....I want to propose a challange to anyone who saw this image and is upset.

Let's do a sequel where Izu kisses Mei, Melissa, Shig or even Rudy as response to Ochako.

Bc when we take the "hahahaha he is being cucko" jokes. Ochako has nothing with BK, nor toga.

So let her be alone and miserable (she throw a good friendship away, it's canon) as it was her request. "I want to focus on my career, can't be seen with Izu"

Ok bitch, let's draw Izu thriving with Mei, Melissa (I know is too much to ask for Shig here but I ship them) while she is alone, crying for a killer who...would kill her again.

(btw, the whole cucko thing is a feeling that hover Izu, in canon, two times now in canon)

So...fandom, izu haters. Are you all happy? Are you projecting? Bc waste time to make those jokes is just...sad. I don't think you guys have a happy life and honest...feel a bit bad for y'all.

[sapphic-agent]

I'm still mad about this so I'm going to rip it apart by section now that I have the energy :)

This is probably the only part of the diagram that's kind of accurate. But it's actively ignoring one crucial detail: there are no "people" in this context. Most people just ignore Bakugou at this point. He's directly and deliberately harming one person: Izuku. It also feels like this understates that Bakugou doesn't just "suck," he's been targeting, harassing, and abusing a minority for the better part of a decade

Bakugou has always put more energy into his goals. That's the only thing that's stayed consistent about his character because it's the only thing he's ever cared about. He doesn't get brownie points for sucking a little less (which isn't even really true, his victim began to step out of a victim role and he didn't know how to deal with that) just because he's goal-oriented now. There's also something to be said about the people around him not being able to be spoken over or told what to do. While 1A doesn't stand up to Bakugou, he isn't able to really push them around. So of course his behavior lessened; it's not getting him what he wants anymore

This is literally one of the major problems with this arc. Bakugou only "changed" because everyone else made it easy for him. Everyone else had to put in work for him to become even halfway decent. Every lesson he's ever "learned" were good people having to either give him every concession OR- in Izuku's case- sacrifice their own well-being and agency to validate his insecurities. Not once did Bakugou ever have to put in the work himself, it's always been the people around him coddling him. Hell, it's to the point that All Might had to make Bakugou's goals align with protecting people to make him somewhat decent, the dumb idiot couldn't even realize that on his own. This is more like enabling than being a positive influence. An actual positive influence would be someone holding him accountable for his behavior and the only person who even attempts that is Best Jeanist

What's the difference between "flawed" and "still doing the same things only they're funny now?" Because you can't insist to me that Bakugou has changed when he continues to act the same way he always has. He still yells at, insults, and assaults Izuku. The only difference is that it's played for comedy instead of actually taken seriously. So he can still say and do what he wants with no repercussions. And even in the moments that the narrative tries to seriously develop him, it still falls flat because he's never forced to make actual changes to himself. For fuck's sake, we're in the last chapter and he still sucks to the point that he dropped in the hero rankings

How can you tell me that Bakugou's character arc amounts to anything with a straight face?

[moodyvoid]

the amount of ppl bashing me on twt bcs i said endeavor finally apologized... i keep getting "what else do you want him to do?? he knows what he did is wrong, and he feels bad! that's why you apologize!"

it took 20+ years for an apology...

when everyone is severely hurt...

his eldest is dying...

and he didn't get what he wanted...

that man can fucking die and let rei and the kids live peacefully without him. i do not care.

You can’t find a single Endeavor criticism post over there without someone being like “but he said he was sorry and he feels bad now” “also you only feel this way bc you wanna fuck dabi” “also also the league are murderers” 😢😢😢

Me wanting to hop on Dabi’s dick and me disliking Endeavor can be mutually exclusive. I disliked him from the moment he was on screen, before I even knew Dabi existed 😤

And yes. The league are murderers. I’m not shocked when people hate them. Still somehow, Endeavor stans are shocked when people hate their favorite abuser.

[khonaker]

MHA spoilers Final chapter

I’m starting to wish Shigaraki finished him off too at this point. Ungrateful, miserable dick.

[ttoya]

That old familiar body ache The snaps from the same little breaks in my soul I know when it's time to go

[bibibbon]

me: they’re my baby girls!!

the ‘baby girls’ list of crimes:

General Crimes

Terrorism, Stalking, Kidnapping, Mass murder, Vandalism, Mutilation, Torture, Unethical experimentation, Jailbreaking, Theft, Propaganda, Arson, Blackmail, Conspiracy, Torture, Psychological abuse, Incrimination, Sabotage, Assault & Battery, Mass destruction, Grave robbing, Enslavement, Impersonation, Abuse of power, Corruption

Member Specific Crimes

Shigaraki: Mass property damage, Terrorism, Assault & Battery, Kidnapping, Torture, Theft, Mutilation, Conspiracy, Vandalism, Sabotage, Familicide, Manslaughter, Animal cruelty, False imprisonment, Psychological abuse

Dabi: Attempted familicide, Torture, Arson, Psychological abuse, Destruction of property, Kidnapping, Terrorism, Vandalism, Incrimination, Public endangerment, Conspiracy, Blackmail, Stalking

Himiko: Serial Murder, Animal cruelty, Kidnapping, Identity theft, Burglary, Stalking, Assault, Mutilation, Fraud, Terrorism, Possibly cannibalism

Mr. Compress: Conspiracy, Kidnapping, Mutilation, Terrorism, Theft, Murder, Stalking, Vandalism, Burglary

Spinner: Kidnapping, Assault, Terrorism

Twice: Terrorism, Murder, Theft, Kidnapping

they were just feeling silly ok it’s no biggie

You know what Iam much more impressed that you managed to list out all of their crimes in general and specifically.

Yikes thats a long list but I do see some of the league members being able to receive a redemption or at least face a better ending than the one canon gave them.

At the end even though they did all of this I still like their characters however I do hate when people don't acknowledge these actions and babyify them only focusing on them as victims and not giving them the complexity they deserve to have.

Now that I think about it Iam quite surprised that twices list of personal crimes is so low. It makes me remember when @doodlegirl1998 was talking about how he is probably the most redeemable one in there and that the story would benefit much more if he and toga narratively switched roles

[v0id-clawz]

??? I've watched almost all of the seasons that are available to me and his behaviour didn't change ONCE, especially not in seasons two

[lacedteatime]

Bakugou isn't fun to hate

I usually like it when a piece of media has a character I hate. However, it isn't a good experience with MHA. Unlike the other terrible characters we see elsewhere, the narrative in MHA presents Bakugou as a likeable character, which makes hating him feel bitter.

The real issue, though, is that he is somehow NUMBER ONE on the popularity charts. I wouldn't feel nearly as much hatred towards him if the fandom treated him like they do Endeavor and Mineta.

It causes a lot of problems when trying to consume content about this anime and manga, which I somehow still like. Though that's less of an issue -- I'm already used to having not that much content to consume for a fandom, since I'm in some fairly niche ones. Most of my problem with it is constantly seeing how much people find his actions as acceptable and even endearing.

Look. I get that a lot of people with anger issues can find his character cathartic, living vicariously through his ability to express himself without getting punished for it. However, there are so many better characters to get that through, ones that don't treat other people like they don't matter, ones where the narrative doesn't excuse everything he does by telling the readers that it's "just who he is."

There are rare moments where he is fun to hate, and those are when I can consume content by people who also hate him.

[villains-support-group]

I’m sorry I just can’t hide it. I HATE THIS MAN. I HATE HIS UGLY AHH FACE. IDC IF HE HAD CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT OR ANYTHING I HATE HIM I HATE HIM SO MUCH. AND YALL CAN ARGUE WITH ME AND LIKE HIM BUT IDC HE PISSES ME OFF SO BAD. (-🎤🎀, btw user box made by me!)

[doodlegirl1998]

The funniest thing a Bakugou stan has ever commented on one of my fics is that Bakugou respects his elders.

Mf, in what universe?!

Hi @sapphic-agent 👋

Bakugou Stans be truly making up their own story around thier precious Boom-Boom Bastard and claiming it as canon, aren't they? 🤣😂🤣

It's like these Stans don't actually read the story and instead see only what they wish to.

Meanwhile, live footage of me trying to find a scene Bakugou has any respect for anyone, let alone an elder.

[mikeellee]

MHA: the MC and the main villain are always wrong and sidelined

Hi, so I mentioned before how everyone always proves Izuku and Shig wrong...characters like AFO and BK belittle, abuse, and hurt Izu and Shig and...are right about them. Shig is a loser who did nothing (things fall on his lap, no questions)

I hope I can put my idea here, basically...every character says smth negative about Izuku and Shigaraki, which is a parallel in itself.

Dr. Evil

AFO.

Mirio

Overhaul

Redestro

Said how Shig is a loser (Dr. Evil was really on his face) and ....Shig doesn´t react.

Izuku

Bk

Aldera

Aizawa

Hound Dog

A1

Izuku defeated Overhaul, who is way above BK, and guess what? He is not allowed to win against his abuser. He doesn´t change...He still thinks he is useless... He is the odd duck.

Shig is confident yes (a nice contrast with Izu ...if only was written by someone who doesn´t detest Izu and Shig) but is not smart, has no agency or thinks about his actions...He doesn´t realize how HE IS THE NPC of AFO.

What´s the point here? I don´t know at this point, is not my words that will change villain stans on their views on both characters...its just how in the end Shig and Izu have such insane amouth of parallels. And the story ends with them having 0 relationship.

Not as brothers

Not as friend

Not as lover

They are strangers...and I can admit that.

As I can say, again, they have insane amount of parallels.

[sapphic-agent]

Imagine the mentality of the individual who spent 10 years tormenting someone's life, just because that same person tried to help him.

One thing I will agree with Bakugou fans on is that he DOES need help. His ego, leaps in logic, entitlement, and borderline paranoia aren't normal.

The problem is that Bakugou fans tend to a) paint Mitsuki as abusive to excuse his behavior (or blame anyone else other than him) and b) think that he deserves everything he wants/gets in the manga when it should be the opposite. If Bakugou was going to grow and learn to be better he should have been:

Called out on his behavior

Made to face the consequences of that behavior

Forced to learn that he isn't owed anything, least of all from his victim

Able to learn how to save to save, not save to win

A big issue with Bakugou's character is that instead of actually addressing his actions, the narrative excuses and perpetuates them. Bakugou is looking down on Uraraka? Nah, he's actually respecting her by telling her she should have given up. Bakugou continuously assaults Izuku? Oh well you see it's funny. Bakugou is displaying villainous behavior? That's okay because he's too good to join those losers anyway!

The story has even gone out of its way to compare him to Endeavor and it's never expanded on. Like, HUH? All Might pointing that out could have been a great moment for Bakugou to self-reflect since he's well aware of Endeavor being abusive. But even in the middle of his redemption he never takes the time to reflect on his terrible behavior.

The only time he ever does is in his terrible apology but he couldn't even get that right

[moodyvoid]

Bnha can’t end until we get a panel of Rei and all the kids in a circle kicking the shit out of endeavor. 🤷🏻‍♀️

[jk-unless]

I am simultaneously Endeavor biggest hater and his biggest supporter.

[lily-lilibeth]

If I hear anything about Touya being a "mass murderer" or some shit like that. I will start getting fucking pissed and no one wants me to get that way.

Some brainless dumbass leaving a comment like "how can be people be more forgiving of mass murderers than abusers" making me laugh at their idiocy and lame choice of words.

First off the hypocresy speaking so loudly. An endeavor stan no hard to tell. Secondly who fucking was the one who turned Dabi in how he is today? Who?

First read the manga and then try to be smart and not a dumbass if you intend to start shit with me.

[bibibbon]

RIP League of Villains, you were dead on arrival.

Listen, I’m not against humanizing villains but some people in the MHA fandom act like the LOV did no wrong and were only thinking about society.

Like.. did we watch the same show? The LOV stated multiple times that they basically wanted anarchy.

*Describes Shigaraki’s atrocities that fucked up their lives* “B-But he liked video games 🥺”

Good for him, HE STILL KILLED PEOPLE AND ONE OF THEM WAS A CHILD!

I honestly wish that people would address the league’s hypocrisy because it’s a genuinely interesting idea, I plan on tackling it in my fic.

But then again, whenever characters do address the league’s hypocrisy/rightfully doesn’t take shit, they get crucified.

(Aside from Enji and Overhaul, who deserve the shit beat out of them)

Hi @palesweetscherryblossom 👋

I love the leauge and the potential they had and Iam also not against humanising them but little of them actually deserve it would get a proper redemption.

A lot of people seem to forget that toga was already introduced as a serial killer (she killed 6 people and performed blood letting and you can go as far as cannibalism on them)

Or the fact that Dabi only cared about bringing down enji and never actually spoke up about the kids that died in Dr Garaki's hospital.

Or how shigaraki somehow knew all along that afo was manipulating him and done nothing but played into his games. Shigaraki also never proves himself as a leader or worthy of redemption in canon.

Or stain who went around killing heroes left and right. The same with muscular.

Or moonfish who was a cannibal

Oh or maybe compress who I still have no idea why he is evil to be honest or i just forgot.

They all done bad things which is why they are considered criminals while they could be humanised like toga, Dabi, shigaraki and spinner that doesn't actually excuse their actions. The leagues backstory is supposed to give us a reason or a look as into why they became the people they did and how society failed them but it's NOT supposed to justify or make their actions seem ok.

Also the hypocrisy that the leauge members have is actually interesting and could be explored as a character trait that they learn to develop out of or keep with them and it becomes an integral part of their character.

YOU CAN BE A VICTIM AND DO BAD THINGS. A Villain CAN BE A VICTIM AND DO BAD THINGS. THE TWO CAN COEXIST

I simply hate it when people can only look at the leauge as just victims who were completely justified and done nothing wrong when in reality they aren't!!

Now there are characters that I wouldn't give a redemption to like Dr garaki, AFO, overhaul, Enji and the comission but the other characters have a chance at being humanised or getting a meaningful redemption or ending