#anti homestuck^2

[strawberrynightmere]

I have to confess something.

I do not like dirkjake. And before anyone jumps me, let me explain why.

The whole premise of their relationship was "if johndave did happen, but it was angsty and sort of homophobic." Like both of them had their own problems to deal with, and it affected their relationship. Speaking of which, whenever it came to their relationship, neither of them wanted to work through it. They avoided each other when it became too much, Dirk isolated himself, and Jake bothered Jane about their relationship. I'll repeat, Jake bothered another friend of his (who also had a crush on him) about the romantic relationship that was falling apart.

Since I'm already mentioning Jane, let me tell you how badly she was treated by the fandom because of this ship. Like any female character that is close with one or both of the male characters, the fandom had named her a heinous bitch for "getting in the way of the gay couple" (in some cases Roxy was too). And don't ever look at me in the eye and say that when the said couple neglected everything around them with their relationship. Jane blowing up at Jake after listening to him whine about Dirk for the umpteenth time, was in my eyes justified. imagine, ending up playing a game tho reset the universe and your dad who has protected you from assassination attempts is missing, you died at one point (and probably saw your own corpse and the corpses of your best friends), finding out offscreen that your alien friend got killed by her twin brother for dominance over the body they both possessed and then making a birthday party to hold some sort of sanity in your life and here calls that friend you had a crush on complaining about his relationship again while forgetting that it was your birthday, again.

Even when they broke up, they needed Jane and Roxy to pick up their slack and get them to be friends. I hoped that when Jane and Dirk talked about Jake that I would have probably liked the ship or found it tolerable.

But fucking NO! The Homestuck Epilog came out and the early 2010's Homestuck bullshit. Jane became an alien-hating-fashist (I don't care what anyone says. It's was very out of character) and made Dirk and Jake some kind of "tragic, uwu couple that are still pining for each other."

There was a lot I didn't like about the writing in Homestuck, but the retconning of the characters (Vriska and Gamzee included) was too much.

[disgustedorite]

half the people in the discourse over today's upd8 would not survive watching utena

[gh0stlackf1]

Day 2 doodling my ugliest ocs until someone likes they

[comshipbracket]

Antis DNI

Remember, you are voting for the ship you prefer, not the ship you find more problematic

Propaganda for both ships under the cut.

Stridercest Propaganda (Incest - Dirk is biologically Dave's father)

None that fits the bracket initially provided - feel free to Reblog with your own propaganda for this ship's advancement in the bracket.

Itacest Propaganda (Incest - Siblings)

"Italy and Romano are eachothers perfect half. They make the country of Italy together, fought countless wars to be united, and even if with some individual and couple issues, they very much still have so,so,so much care and love for one another. Romano even gets jealous at Japan and Germany for just sleeping in the same bed as his brother when Romano's not around, gosh! And not to mention, grumpy x sunshine dynamic + brother incest, what more can you ask?"

[drcrispy93]

Yiffy kinsona!!!!

I hate dr pepper... >:(

[insomniac-ships]

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[captainvio]

Confession

I left the mspfa discord because one of the mods is a bi lesbian supporter, endogenic system supporter, and is seemingly friends/friendly with EgbertEclipse, a known proshipper with a ton of evidence stacked up against her.

[devxoid]

99 for hs ask game whats your spiciest opinion

ummm honestly i havent interacted with the fandom that much since 2016 so idk what opinions are popular or not . if i had to pick one id say i dont think dirk and jake really work as a romantic relationship and i read jake as hella aro

but then again there are a bunch of aro jake truthers out there so idek if thats an unpopular opinion..? anyway it could just be me being aro but i didn't really see any signs of jake having romantic desire for dirk . this particular passage was incredibly damning to me as someone who has also tried to like somebody romantically because i thought that was 'naturally' supposed to happen

anyway. i like them both a lot and their relationship is really fascinating to me in a "cant tear my eyes away from the car crash" kind of way 👍 teehee ty for the ask! ^__^

[shouta-edits]

could you do a davepetasprite x jasperose^2 ship moodboard with themes of neon lights and cute cat cuddles :3 ty!! -anon requested

[gachagon]

Happy Homestuck day, throwback to that time in Homestuck 2 when they revealed one of the characters was literally named "Yiffany" because one of her moms is half dog.

[pieisnotreal]

Y'know maybe if I wasn't an Homestuck fan when people constantly hated on Jane for "getting in the way of jakedirk". I might be less.... suspicious of the motive to make jane a villain in hs^2

[littlelofty-fufufu]

Hey Proshitter nation let’s make a huge list of media that antis should not like

Because I need to blow off some steam and I’m petty (and because half of this shit goes against their crappy rules of conduct /s) 👍

Let me start with-

The Coffin of Andy and Leyley

Danganronpa

Who Framed Roger Rabbit

Creepypasta/Pokepasta of any kind

Demon Slayer/Kimetsu No Yaiba

Boyfriend to Death/The Price of Flesh

John Doe

Homestuck

Stranger Things

Team Fortress 2

Horror films of any kind, especially slasher films (they loooove the killers after all /j)

South Park

The Twilight franchise

Like a good portion of vocaloid music ESPECIALLY the producers who primarily make music with darker and heavier themes

Feel free to add anything else you want on this list!! 👌

💢 Antis piss off and stop looking at violent/sexual media because it directly contradicts your views on dark media

[sweatertheman]

thinking about writing a sort of anti-homestuck

the same characters and plot, but utilized more effectively, and with some of the thematic beats being reversed. instead of the poetic killing of the waking self on a bed to obtain power within an endless dream, perhaps it could be the killing of the dreamself, to "wake up" into a new and difficult reality.

ive observed before that strife specibi symbolize things which trouble our protagonists (jade harely pending). thus it follows classpect powers are metaphorical "escapes" from these. john is irresponsible and unmotivated, and he obtains the power of the wind, to be free and wander as he pleases. rose is endlessly confounded by others and constantly feels the need to pry answers from behind every wall, thus her "escape" is enlightment, knowing and being right. the throughline is escaping from yourself.

and so, an "anti-homestuck" would have the inverse, characters not escaping from their issues, but reconciling them. emboldening the self instead of escaping it. embracing and learning to handle your weapon of choice rather than casting it (yourself) aside.

also, a more serious story! most of homestuck is goofy and frivolous scenes and endless diversions of pop culture references and a recursive AHEU (andrew hussie extended universe). id want to take everything that happens more seriously and character analyse these characters instead of running them through endless goofy scenes.

i think i would call this Homestuck^-1, if i wrote it, since it seems like a funny parallel to Homestuck^2.

[comshipbracket]

Antis DNI

Remember, you are voting for the ship you prefer, not the ship you find more problematic

Propaganda for both ships under the cut.

DirkRose Propaganda (Incest - Dirk is genetically Rose's father)

"Your honor, these characters are victims of fanon-as-canon widespreading! There are antis out there who will raise hell if you say Dirk is anything other than gay when it's literally canon that Dirk Strider states he doesn't like the label gay. Meanwhile, Rose Lalonde also dates both men and women in canon and has never outright stated what her sexuality is, yet antis will also raise hell if you say she is anything but a lesbian.

Their dynamics are complex and nuanced throughout the webcomic. They are both clever and self important, and their banter is delicious. They both share the vice of wanting to control the narrative of the lives they are stuck in, and this ties them together far tighter than any blood ties.

Also, in Homestuck 2 (which is dubiously canon), Rose Lalonde quite literally leaves her wife to join Dirk in creating a new universe with him. This then blossoms into a passionate rivalry where they both see who could create the ideal universe. They're always pushing each other to greater heights.

Also, the fact that Dirk wanted Rose to come with him-- even choosing her over his own pseudo-brother who he looked up to to an extreme degree-- goes to show that he values her mind above all others.

Dirk is a hard person to impress or to crack the impersonal shell of, but I strongly feel that Rose Lalonde (especially with her penchant for psychology which ties well with his interests in philosophy) is exactly the right person to crack his shell."

Wincest Propaganda (Incest)

"They are parelled to in show couples, and people within the show have likened them with real life couples"

Also! More Propaganda provided by @kingofthewilds Here!

[sometipsygnostalgic]

i'm losing my mind how are there STILL ACTIVE CATRA HATE BLOGS it's been FOUR YEARS how are you still this mad about a female abuse victim!!!!!! how do you STILL not get it!!!!!!!!!!

I have been in enough fandoms to understand that some of the people who stick around the longest are those who act the most scarred after watching the media. It's like stockholme syndrome. Or it's like hating the thing is what gives them drive in the world.

I have also been on the other side of this. I remained a Homestuck blog for a whole four years after the ending made me depressed about Terezi Pyrope, even lasting an additional year and a half after the dogshit epilogues released, through to the demise of Hiveswap and Homestuck^2, before I realised enough was enough and let Adventure Time give me sanctuary again.

But Homestuck had its Gamzee fans who hated the comic and fandom, Adventure Time had its Lemongrab fans who hated the show and fandom, and it seems She-ra has its fair share of antis.

The She-ra antis consist of the following groups, from my observation:

Former fans who got obsessed with some other show and have to bash She-ra because it ain't cool anymore. Usually Owl House fans but can be from anywhere. Their hate is universally connected to propping something else up, and is never done in isolation.

Hordak fans who hate Catra and maybe every other character and crew member and the show. There are a lot of the reverse, Catra fans who hate Hordak, which is part of why this group is so persistent, as a "counter" to this Hordak hate. However, the Catra fans who are Hordak antis MOSTLY do not hate the show (they are just... out of touch with it and generally have bad takes). I've seen one or two extreme cases of Catra apologists accusing Adora, Scorpia, and even Entrapta of abuse, but they were completely alone in their feelings. The Hordak fans who hate Catra tend to also hate Glimmer, Mermista, Adora, Bow, and say that the show is ableist or whatever, but they do not actually harbor much love for Entrapta. Her victimisation is an excuse for their behaviour and they have no understanding of her chaotic character. Do not interact.

Glimmadora fans (the ones who purely seem to exist to make 'Spop Is Abusive' posts). Why the fuck Glimmadora fans hate the show so much, I do not understand. But these are probably the most In-Your-Face of these three groups. While the Hordak fans mentioned above have a lot of similarity to Homestuck Gamzee fans or Adventure Time Lemongrab fans in the weird way they'll hate on the show for doing their blorbo wrong, Glimmadora fans don't have that evidence because they don't really care about Glimmer or Adora. They have absolutely nothing to say about the show, other than that it is Bad. My theory on these Glimmadora fans is that they really liked the Glimmer and Adora ship on a superficial level, and then the show decided to have its Deeper Themes and give Catra and Adora a messy, complicated relationship. There was a lot happening after season 3 where people went "CATRADORA IS REALLY ABUSIVE AND CATRA IS HORRIBLE AND YOU SHOULDNT SHIP HER WITH ANYONE". This period was SO fucking harmful to the fandom that it never recovered, so much work was lost and deleted from AO3. People would say "Glimmadora is a much better ship anyway". But then when season 4 rolled around and, uhh, Glimmer was acting like a little shit all season (for good reason but she really fucked things up with Adora), and Glimmadora crumbled into ash? Well the Glimmadora truthists felt like the show was working against them and that Season 5 was a grand conspiracy to make the Abusive ship Catradora canon!!! The funniest part of this is I sympathise a lot with these feelings. I used to be a Glimmadora truther myself when I watched the show in fall 2021. I was like, "wow, look how nice this ship is. And they go with catradora in the end?? Fucking HOW???". But then seasons 4 and 5 happened and.... yeah, I was disappointed with how Glimmer and Adora's friendship ended up, but I was ENAMORED by the messiness of Catra's character and how raw her and Adora felt about each other even in spite of all the bullshit. I never made excuses about the show being abuse apologising. I analysed it purely in how believable the relationships were and what the intentions of the characters are.

Of these groups, the ones responsible for the most actual SPOP Anti blogs are undoubtedly the Glimmadoras. The only time I've seen something similar, so many antis appearing, was because of Steven Universe ship wars. You have NO IDEA how petty people feel about Lapidot, Amedot, all the dots, all the amethysts. A crew member was chased off the internet over it, or left the internet over the show's own decisions, depending on whether you believe the """screenshots""" that were taken of Zuke's ""private blog""".