#anti faking serious mental health disorders

[hazedxhealing]

Having now processed and accepted that I was wrong in my quest for a DID diagnosis, I will now be putting every info-post I've made in my pinned when I re-write it.

Because I may have been wrong about *myself*, but this information could help someone else, and also the fight against endos isn't over.

I am now learning that ppl fake other things, too. That fight isn't over. Consider me an anti, I guess, but I won't stand for appropriation of excruciating mental illnesses.

[hazedxhealing]

As someone who frequents FDC, lemme just shed some light on it, yeah?

FDC exposes people faking disorders, it’s in the name r/fakedisordercringe, fake being the keyword here. 

I’ve browsed FDC for a few years, and I haven’t seen anyone who is genuinely diagnosed posted - especially since it’s against their rules. 

FDC acknowledges the struggle of figuring shit out and getting diagnosed - that being said these kids saying they have disorders that are 1) impossible to diagnose at a young age, and 2) are cute, quirky and trendy right now is more of a problem than FDC fucking existing. 

If not the children, the adults - who know better - saying they are “so bipolar”, “so OCD”, etc. That they have 10k DreamSMP alters, giving BPD a worse rep. 

FDC isn’t the problem. People who are faking very serious and debilitating mental health disorders for shits and giggles or sympathy are the problem.

They will continue to call em out, until they stop. Get bent, and die mad.

Edit: this is not to say what they are doing is okay, or correct. It is still ableist, but you can't be mad about that when the people they post make seriously debilitating disorders look like a joke.

Reminder: Subreddits like FakeDisorderCringe are anti-system. There's never going to be any system, to them, that isn't faking. No matter what that system says or does. They're never gonna believe any system.

[anti-endo-help]

what’s interesting to me is that there are a lot if endos who dislike the things they do. “Pretending to be a system, a result of a very serious and traumatic mental health disorder? Fine and dandy! Pretending to have a cluster-b, a very serious and traumatic mental health disorder? what the fuck. Why would you do that whats wrong with you” (NOTE IM NOT ADVOCATING FOR EITHER BUT. its just interesting the weird double standard i saw)

NO YEAH I TOTALLY KNOW WHERE YOURE COMING FROM, I SEE THIS A LOT TOO AND ITS SO FUCKING WEIRD TO ME????? like what about systems makes it okay to fake being one, but then makes it not okay to fake anything else??? ableist cunts is what they are 💀

[ID: STOP! this blog is a strictly anti-endo space! pro-endos and endo neutrals, shoo! shoo shoo!]

[antiendovents]

We decided we wanted to look our account up, kind of like that fun thing you do when your bored and we've got so many endos talking shit about us like seriously?

Taking our post about how being a system isn't all sunshine and rainbows and editing it so "oh look how great it is! My favorite thing is that I don't get alone time with my boyfriend instead all of us go on dates uwu" bitch fuck off.

Also taking our post of us responding to someone's ask of a proendo using their friends attempt as a reason to harass anti-endos and taking it as we encourage people to attempt?? No????

We advocate for actual mental health help, not fakers trying to take our disorder and turn it into a quirky little thing.

If any of them read this, leave us the hell alone you faking dramatic stupid little bitches.

*sorry for the language we used, we're very angry right now*

thats shitty. Endos are so fucking frustrating, constantly twisting people's words and making fun of a serious disorder. And it's fine, swear and vent your frustrations all you want ^_^ that's what this blog is for!

[luuv-zomby]

Why Do We Support Willogenics But Not Radqueers?

Pt. Why Do We Support Willogenics But Not Radqueers?

Howdy, two mods here! Ginny and Catherine from Soldier of Heaven and mod Shuriken from Spring and a Storm. We're gonna take some time to explain our points of view on this topic. Both of us mods have separate ideas on why we support willogenic systems but not radqueer systems.

Let's start with my POV (Ginny and Catherine II; SoH). Why do we not support radqueers? Easy answer: In our opinion, they are completely stupid. Wanting a disability or a disorder is terrible. Most people with these things do not want to be that way. We are dxed with BPD, and we would happily trade it for no disorder. I'm going to try and look from your point of view for a second. I assume that as an anti-endo you believe plurality can only be achieved by DID. We believe that anyone can experience this symptom and not be disordered. Willogenic systems do not necessarily want to be disordered. They just would like "people in their head" as one could say.

I will also just take a second to remind you that we do not think DID is just a "people in your head" disorder. This is just me simplifying things. DID is a very serious condition that includes a ton of symptoms. It's a traumagenic dissociation disorder. What does this mean? It's a condition formed by trauma that contains dissociative symptoms. How do I know this? I've been learning about this for a solid year trying to understand myself. We've suspected DID for almost a year and have been learning about it since our ex-psys came out as one to us.

My last part to add is that this blog can be used to help flesh out fragmented parts. Which I know of some traumagenic systems who do.

Shuriken here. I most likely have a ton of experience with this topic considering that we, as a system, used to be radqueers due to severe mental health issues and delusions. We are also traumagenic, but Willogenic is not the same as Radqueer systems.

They may have the same 'principle' of making your headmates, but there's a pretty stark difference. One doesn't support people who think they can be TransDepression or TransCultist. The other is just a system who happens to be Willogenic without being a Radqueer. The idea of Radqueer Systems is more than it being that; it's the principle of their morality. Do not think Radqueer is just about systems. Sorry if this came off as rude; but I'm just saying it as it is!

Added on later by mod Spoil the Party:

plurality has existed in nonmedical contexts for years and years, it's not a new "trend" as many claim. very very few nonmedical systems claim medical disorders without symptoms, and those who do are generally looked down upon. nontraumagenic systems have coined terms, thought processes, communication techniques, etc that are still valuable to the plural community to this day. while i understand as a traumagenic system that your initial reaction to someone having parts/headmates/facets/etc without the trauma that caused you to have it may feel frustrating and unfair, pause for a second. think about it. youre not in their brain. you simply cannot tell them or prove to them that their experiences are unreal or fake. who are we to go around regulating real peoples lived experiences?

comparing the wide range of plural experiences to people trying to claim disorders without symptoms (something that i just clarified is not accepted in the plural community) is a bad faith comparison. plurals do not (or at least should not, and are looked down upon if they do) claim experiences their body does not have, including race, disability, and trauma status. trans-ids actively go against this. thats the disgusting part. thats the upsetting part. that someone is claiming something debilitating and/or that comes with real world challenges without truly having those experiences. but that should not be conflated with the plural community, which, once again, does not accept those who claim these things

radqueer is an easy one - dont be fucking weird and ship children, siblings, animals, etc. that literally has nothing to do with plurality. thats fully just a bad faith take there

[multiplicity-positivity]

Hey. Not being hateful or anything just curious but, recently weve been questioning our views on non traumagenic systems. We used to be very anti endo but lately weve switched to neutral. I was just wondering if you could explain some misconceptions and stuff about non traumagenic systems? Thanks

-Marj

Hi, Marj, sure thing!

Disclaimer: Keep in mind that we are NOT a nontraumagenic system, although we fully support them! Our system is diagnosed with DID, but we have a few parts who do engage in syscourse and the like. We will be using “endogenic” (meaning formed without trauma) and nontraumagenic interchangeably here.

Common Misconceptions:

1. Endogenic (nontraumagenic) systems are “roleplaying a serious disorder.”

Most systems understand that dissociative disorders are trauma based (although family dynamics may play a role), and for the most part, endogenic systems do not claim to have DID or any other sort of complex dissociative disorder (CDD). The way endogenic systems experience plurality may sometimes look like a dissociative disorder, but the two are actually incredibly different. Endogenic systems are not glorifying or romanticizing dissociative disorders, and are not trying to roleplay having a disorder when they claim to be plural without trauma.

2. Endogenic systems steal or take up resources meant for those with CDDs.

Many endogenic systems don’t claim to have a dissociative disorder, and don’t seek mental health treatment from trauma and dissociation specialists. They (like anyone else!) may seek out and benefit from therapy, but in general, they are not eating up the time and energy of CDD specialists out there.

Additionally, resources like SimplyPlural and PluralKit were designed with systems of all origins in mind, and were never meant to be used specifically by CDD or endogenic systems.

3. All endo systems are traumatized and can’t recall their trauma.

While it may be true that the nature of dissociative disorders is to hide trauma from the individual, that alone should not be a clear indicator that all endogenic systems have childhood trauma they can’t recall. For some, yes, this may be true, but in general, individuals understand themselves and their histories better than anyone else. It’s okay to question, and it’s okay to be wrong! What isn’t okay is trying to police or dictate someone else’s lived experience.

4. Every endogenic system is faking their plurality.

This one is really weird for us. Why would anyone want to fake being plural? And even if they did, why does it matter? We don’t think most nontraumagenic systems are faking their plurality - just because their experience with multiplicity doesn’t align with the common experiences of those with CDDs doesn’t mean they’re faking in the slightest!

5. Endogenic systems cannot exist until there is research proving they exist.

Plurality is an incredibly vast and diverse concept that covers a wide range of experiences. For many, plurality is something that comes naturally, was practiced, or manifested later in life. It is an incredibly personal, sometimes spiritual experience that is not easily studied or made quantifiable. As such, research on multiplicity without trauma is hard to plan and execute and even more difficult to come by.

However, a lack of research doesn’t mean endogenic systems are faking or mistaking their plurality by any means! There may never be a huge amount of credible research on endogenic plurality, but that is not going to stop people from identifying the way they do. As long as nontraumagenic plurals are out there, it’s up to us as individuals to show them kindness, care, and support, despite our differences!

6. Endogenic systems aim to demedicalize CDDs

This one couldn’t be further from the truth. While many endo systems wish plurality was less pathologized, that doesn’t mean they wish to demedicalize dissociative disorders as a whole! Many systems with dissociative disorders require professional support and access to clinical care, and we don’t think it’s the norm for nontraumagenic systems to want to take this away. We have never interacted with an endogenic system who either didn’t believe in DID or thought it should be removed from the DSM.

Finally, if you’d like to learn more about endogenic plurality, feel free to check out the links below!

(^ in general we do not support The Plural Association and by extension Power to the Plurals, but this article was written by the individual who coined the term “endogenic” in plural spaces as it’s used today, so we thought it would be useful to include)

We are more than happy to discuss or debunk any further claims or misconceptions that paint endo systems in a negative light or misconstrue multiplicity without trauma and what that entails! Also any endogenic systems are more than welcome to speak up with their own thoughts on nontraumagenic plurality, what it is, and how it affects them.

For further discussion revolving syscourse, please feel free to reach out to the syscourse specific blog that is maintained by a few alters in our system - @kipandkandicore ! As a rule we don’t like to get into syscourse here for the health and safety of our followers. We hope you understand!

🌸 Margo, 🖋 Cecil, and 🐢 Kip

[mithliya]

p2. ableism also seems to be an issue, and there is a huge overlap bt the people who are racist and the people who are casually ableist. part of me feels like they've developed this ironic-to-sincere posturing about not giving a shit about mental illness given how many gender-havers fake serious mental disorders or otherwise moralize about the benefits of "mental health awareness" while co-opting language never meant for them to begin with. like hostility to mental illness or sensitive discussion thereof is somehow counter-cultural and anti-identitarian politics? I have a developmental disability and there are terves casually saying retard, schizocore, etc etc...really frustrates me

the ableism has unfortunately been present for years. and i remember at one point in time calling it out more vocally and people really didn’t like that. if u say “maybe don’t use delusional like that bc that’s not what it means” they will go ballistic and some will straight up harass u. there was a time when their new focus was personality disorders and they kept saying dumb shit like “cluster bi” (bc associating mental illness with sexual orientation totally isn’t a questionable thing to do apparently?) and if u say anything to even mildly question it u would get harassed for it and treated like ur a hypersensitive baby. this side of tumblr has so many blatant issues and obvious prejudices but ppl on here are so sensitive to ANY criticism and the “if ur not with us & every single thing we say, then ur against us” that it just becomes culty.

[dni-translation]

DNI: Do Not Interact:

*This user replaces S with Z, which might be considered to be their "typing quirk". Some internet users claim to not be able to control their typing quirk.

Proshipper: This term is from the "proship vs anti" debate, and is somewhat ambiguous as a descriptor, as both sides have their own definition and the meaning has changed over time. In this context, the DNI author is referring to someone who supports/draws/writes stories about "problematic ships". A problematic ship can be anything from a relationship with a power-imbalance, is abusive in some way, or has socially taboo elements such as being incestuous or pedophilic.

Conship: Also known as "Comship", (Complex/Complicated Ship). Is often used interchangeably with "Proship", but is also used by people who want to make it more obvious that they engage with problematic ships. Some pro-shipping communities are trying to distance themselves from the more taboo types of problematic ships, so a pro-shipper who still engages with taboo subjects might call themself a "comshipper".

DSMP: Dream Survival MultiPlayer: A YouTuber named Dream who produces videos of Minecraft gameplay with his friends. A "Dream Stan" is someone who is a fan of Dream.

Basic Criteria: Most DNIs list some obvious bad traits that people can have, such as racism or sexism. Because these kinds of traits are so obviously negative they go without saying, some DNIs don't bother including them. However, in cases where the author still wants to state the obvious, they write "Basic Criteria" or "Basic DNI Criteria".

Fakeclaimer: Someone who accuses someone of faking having a mental or physical disorder.

Weirdos: Just someone who is weird. There's no extra meaning.

"Over X/Under Y": Some DNI authors are uncomfortable with interacting with people outside of their age group, and denote what age one must be in this format.

Endogenic: An "Endogenic System": Someone who is plural (has multiple personalities in the same body) whose plurality was not caused by childhood traumatic experiences. An "endogenic supporter" is someone who believes that this is possible. There is debate in the psychiatric community whether or not this is medically possible.

Racist supporters: Someone who is racist.

Agere: Age Regression: The act of mentally regressing to a younger state of mind, usually to childhood. It can be unintentionally triggered by a mental health issue, or intentionally for therapeutic purposes. Distinct from age-play, which is role-playing as a different age.

Petre: Pet Regression: Similar to Age Regression, but regressing to an animal-like state. Considered distinct from pet-play, which is role-playing as an animal.

Anti-furries: Someone who has distaste for the Furry fandom.

Anti-scene: Someone who has distaste for the "scene" subculture, a subculture which evolved from emo fashion and music.

Pro-ana: Someone who is pro-anorexia. Someone who calls themself pro-ana might be someone who is non-judgemental and pro-treatment, or they could believe anorexia is a valid lifestyle choice and not an illness.

"Red velvet enjoyerz/j": Red Velvet is a k-pop girl group. The /j is a tone indicator (see below) which means "this is a joke".

Tone Tags: Aka "Tone Indicators". An abbreviation preceded by a slash ( / ) inserted to the end of a sentence to indicate an unstated meaning in text that is hard to communicate without the use of vocal tone. Examples: /s: "sarcasm", /srs: "serious".

[causeiwanttoandican]

The Telegraph

How Harry’s very LA relaunch has only just begun

From Prince to campaigner and Silicon valley ‘tech bro’ what wider impact could the Duke of Sussex's new jobs have?

By Camilla Tominey, Associate Editor28 March 2021 • 6:00am

Jobs appear to be like buses for Prince Harry. Wait a lifetime for an opening and two come along at the same time.

The former Royal’s first foray into the corporate world has seen him take up the role of chief impact officer at Silicon Valley coaching firm BetterUp, while also sitting alongside Rupert Murdoch’s daughter-in-law on a commission aiming to fight “misinformation”.

Neither role appears to have required the 36-year-old former Army captain to submit a CV or go through the usual vetting processes as he adds mental health coach and anti-fake news campaigner to his résumé.

Yet in keeping with a new breed of “celebrity responsibility”, which has increasingly seen the rich and famous flex their corporate muscles for the greater good, the highly prominent positions look set to propel the cash-strapped Prince to ever more lucrative heights, as LA’s most sought-after recruit.

Just as when Jennifer Aniston became the ‘chief creative officer’ of a natural supplement range or when David Beckham backed a cannabinoid skincare company, these mutually beneficial ‘ethical’ tie-ups can be worth their weight in publicity gold. And not just for the company that gets their endorsement.

As showbiz agent Jonathan Shalit puts it: “Like corporate responsibility – this is celebrity responsibility. There’s been a shift in people’s mindsets. Two, three years ago the mindset was: ‘What’s in it for me, how can I get paid a shedload of dosh, how can I maximise my income?’ Now people desire to give back and give back support to the community.”

While pointing out that Harry is “above celebrity,” he adds: “Many celebrities are very responsible in trying to use the strength of their platform to help others.”

The announcement of both roles last week certainly played into the idea that this was more than just a money spinner for the Montecito-based ex pat – although there is no doubt all sides are set to benefit financially.

While BetterUp may be carrying out noble work in its offer of “personalised coaching, content and care designed to transform lives and careers” – it all comes at a price.

Having spoken about his struggles with grief following the death of his mother, Diana, Princess of Wales, Harry said of his appointment to the “unicorn” tech firm: “(I) want us to move away from the idea that you have to feel broken before reaching out for help,” insisting he intends to use the job to “create impact in people’s lives”.

The Duke added: “Being attuned with your mind, and having a support structure around you, are critical to finding your own version of peak performance. What I’ve learned in my own life is the power of transforming pain into purpose.”

He said his goal was to “lift up critical dialogues around mental health, build supportive and compassionate communities, and foster an environment for honest and vulnerable conversations” and he hoped to “help people develop their inner strength, resilience and confidence”.

It might strike the cynical as Californian word salad akin to Aniston’s declaration, upon joining Vital Proteins, that: “Collagen is the glue that holds everything together. I’ve always been an advocate for nourishing your wellness from within.”

Yet as Alexi Robichaux, who co-founded BetterUp in 2013, points out, Harry does bring a unique perspective. “He comes from a very different background,” to other executives, he says, adding: “He’s synonymous with this approach of mental fitness and really investing in yourself. It was not a hard internal sale. He will obviously have the whole organisation sprinting to help him.”

Robichaux confirmed Harry was joining the company’s leadership team as an “officer of the corporation”, which suggests it is a paid role, although public relations expert Mark Borkowski thinks it “highly likely” he has been offered equity in the firm, which values itself at $1.73 billion.

“This previously unknown start-up has now got instant recognition,” he says. “I always said that if Harry and Meghan wanted to generate income, they should look to Silicon Valley. Getting eyeballs onto the company like this, with all the competition, is the hardest job in PR – but now the whole world is talking about it. That’s the effect signing up someone like Harry can have.

“If he’s got points in this firm and it goes gangbusters, he could make some serious money.” Borkowski cites the example of shares in Cellular Goods, the synthetic cannabis firm backed by Beckham, shooting up by 310 per cent after it launched on the London Stock Exchange in February following news of the star footballer’s investment.

“This is all about the ongoing narrative, now,” adds Borkowski, referencing the Oprah Winfrey interview in which the Sussexes raised serious concerns about the Royal family’s handling of racism and mental health issues.

“The impact of generating more connections to his brand is an ongoing struggle for him. But by taking that narrative, which is embedded with that interview along with mental health issues, then he can certainly have a credible corporate platform.”

Yet considering some of the discrepancies that have surfaced since the interview aired in the US on March 7, can Harry really be considered a reliable voice when it comes to combating what he has described as the “avalanche of misinformation”?

Critics have been at pains to point out that his appointment to the Aspen Institute’s new Commission on Information Disorder, a six-month project that will examine the “modern-day crisis of faith in key institutions” appears somewhat at odds with the Sussexes’ repeated insistence that they do not look at newspapers, magazines or social media.

Equally awkward is the fact that the Prince will be sitting alongside Kathryn Murdoch, who is married to James Murdoch, the former chairman of News of the World publisher News International, who resigned from his father Rupert Murdoch’s media empire last year.

As with Harry’s decision to appear on CBS, despite the US network once sparking outrage in 2004 for showing a “distasteful” photo of his mother after her fatal Parisian car crash, the move suggests the exiled Murdochs are now considered reformed characters thanks to their new found work on democracy reform and climate change.

As Harry himself put it, information disorder is an issue that demands “a multi-stakeholder response from advocacy voices” including, apparently, the wife of a man who was found by a Parliamentary report in 2012 to have shown “wilful ignorance of the extent of phone hacking” and being “guilty of an astonishing lack of curiosity” over the illegal practice that Harry, William and Kate were all subjected to along with Prince Charles, the Duchess of Cornwall and a string of palace aides.

It is not thought Harry is being paid for his work with the think tank, founded in 1949, which will look at everything from last year’s US election to vaccine safety and marginalised communities.

It is his listing on the Aspen Institute’s website, however, which perhaps provides the biggest clue to the sixth-in-line to the throne’s direction of travel as he settles into life in the US.

Referenced by his full title, Prince Harry, Duke of Sussex, the soon to be father-of-two is described as a “humanitarian, military veteran, mental wellness advocate and environmentalist.”

Despite his blood-born Royal status, Shalit believes this repositioning is actually intended to put him on a par with his high-achieving wife. For unlike her husband, who left school with two A-levels before training at Sandhurst Military Academy, it is Meghan – a Northwestern University graduate with a successful acting career under her belt – who is arguably the more employable of the two, on paper at least. As an American, the pregnant mother-of-one also doesn’t carry the burden of Harry’s complicated visa and tax arrangements, amid confusion over whether he is living and working in the US as a “diplomat” or as a person with so-called “special talents”.

“I’ve met Meghan on a number of occasions and she is a hugely astute woman, very bright, incredibly impressive,” says Shalit

“So for Harry to keep up with his wife, he’s got to find his own name and identity and this is the start. He doesn’t need celebrity. When you’re Royal, you’re the biggest celebrity in the world. But what this does is allow Harry to have relevance.”

When it comes to making an impact, Royal relevance is clearly going to be the jewel in the crown of Harry’s very LA relaunch.

[momo-de-avis]

Ok yes, i read the thread, it sounds like a nightmare. But isn't it a little bit suspicious that *none* of the several mental health specialists (or whoever they consulted) believe the parents? Certainly, as specialists, they are more than familiar with disorders where people lie and decieve. And it isn't as if there's no witnesses to the kids weird behaviour - there are many. Plus the odd situations at school + the hospital thing (where, come on, they wanted to blame the baby's parents (1/2)

(2/2) the least they could have done to clean their name And help the nephew is to honestly expose the case and hope it will further a better in depth evaluation of the kid's mental health). But idk. That's just what i think rn. I wanna know what people have to say.

OP actually states there aren’t witnesses to any of the shit this kid pulls off. That’s the main issue. That’s why SO MANY people in the replies are telling OP to properly document via hidden cameras. Because the kid has picked up on what defines good behaviour and has a repertoire

It is NOT strange at all that mental health experts would overlook it. Firstly, we don’t know what sort of mental health experts we are talking about and under what circumstances did they visit them. It is likely that the parents simply found a therapist and hoped it would work out, but it didn’t. People with antisocial disorder are known to be VERY difficult to get through because they are very good at lying and manipulating. There’s also the issue of a child being too young to be properly diagnosed.

I think people are downplaying just how proficient at lying psychopathic children can be. And I don’t say this as a negative or positive or whatever thing, I say this as a factual thing. It’s one of the dominant traits of anti social disorder, and OP states clearly just how manipulative the child in question is. It is also very obvious he has caught on to what sort of manipulative devices work, considering he has managed to convince people that his parents are abusive and that the mention of CPS is a clear threat.

And of course, there’s the issue of the fact that this is apparently in the US, which I don’t know how it goes. Were it in Portugal, it wouldn’t surprise me AT ALL if he was dismissed as just another kid and the parents kind of wackos, because our public psychiatric system is not tailored to catch these cases.

Second of all, a case like this is not caught onto with just a few consultations. It requires proper documentation because of the mentioned problem above of the child’s manipualtion.

Thirdly, CPS will always look at the parents, not another child as a suspect of abuse

Like, I don’t think people fully understand how serious and very real cases like these are. It’s why I honestly detest compulsive victimization based on pre-conceptios which I get, I honestly get, but right now, I honestly do NOT feel the littlest bit inclined at doubting these parents, especially when there is a little girl being exposed to this who right now is looking very much like a possible victim of something FAR WORSE than a case of a dead animal.

If this is fake, let me tell you the person really knows well about psychology because they’ve gotten all the checks on it (killing animals, wetting the bed or defecating until past a normal age, manipulation and lack of regret, etc -- these are all symptoms).

And besides, like I said, cases like this are very very real.

[girldraki]

like at the bare minimum someone who is faking being queer or plural or mentally ill in some way clearly has serious issues and rabid aggression combined with the winning “you don’t know REAL suffering” argument is not a recipe for in any way helping those but then you get into situations like plurality, in which almost all endogenic systems aren’t even claiming to have did and anti endos are literally just making up guys to get mad at, or transid mental health (a framework we are not validating to be clear) in which people write long “takedown” posts about how a demographic of people who are publicly yearning to have, like, cluster be personality disorders clearly don’t understand how difficult it is to be mentally ill / are neurotypicals who think mental illness is quirky

trying to make a point about how people call out “fakers” of various marginalizations with the same basic script and it never makes sense to us but getting caught up on how individual permutations are even more or less stupid than the base “you don’t REALLY want to be $x. $x means you [group-specific suffering], which is not starting from a great position

[codependentcat]

Some general research

Camera & Sound Techniques / Examples of POV Short Films

POV shots are expected to be less stable, so can get away with handheld work - in fact, it would probably be worse to use a tripod.

Make sure you’re keeping the camera at eye level.

You don’t always have to use POV shots - can use others like establishing shots, close ups, cut backs, but make sure it’s nothing that takes you away from the character's perspective.

Make sure the character is “looking around” - don’t keep the camera static or it will look boring.

POV doesn’t necessarily mean “through the eyes” - it could also mean just portraying a certain story from a certain characters’ viewpoint.

POV shots don’t have to be from a person - they can be done from an object as well (often used in Breaking Bad).

Issues - you have to be creative with your edits if your whole film is happening from a single perspective; it limits your scope and perspective as you can only see so much; it’s not easy to have an emotional connection with a character when you can’t see them.

If trying to convey a person is younger this can be done by having the camera from a lower perspective.

POV could also mean what the character sees in their mind as well as through their eyes. How could we portray this? Animation? Archive? Through the use of visual metaphor?

Medical and Historical Background

Two types - care seeking (a lot of time at the doctors) and care avoidant (don’t trust doctors or think they don’t take you seriously).

There is illness anxiety disorder (hypochondria) and somatic symptom disorder (real symptoms but unable to pinpoint cause).

Possible causes: childhood trauma (child abuse and neglect); extreme stress, health anxieties or other anxiety disorders in your family; childhood illness or serious illness in your family during childhood; mental health issues such as anxiety and depression; trauma such as rape or physical abuse.

Symptoms: avoiding people or places due to worry about catching an illness; constantly researching diseases and symptoms; exaggerating symptoms and their severity (eg a cough becomes sign of lung cancer); high level of anxiety about health; obsession with normal bodily functions like heart rate; oversharing your symptoms and mental health status with others; repeatedly checking for signs of illness like checking your blood pressure or temperature; seeking reassurance from your loved ones about your symptoms or health;uneasiness with healthy bodily functions like gas or sweating; can become depressed or suicidal.

Diagnosis: seeing a mental health specialist, health professional. Top thing for diagnosis - a persistent fear of having or developing a serious illness.

Cure/treatment: medications such as anti-depressants or anti-anxiety medication or cbt to talk through fears/anxiety and learn healthy ways to cope. It could always return, and there is in most cases no curing it - treatment is about learning how to manage the disorder.

History: “The Greek word "hypochondria" roughly translates as "below the rib cage". Over the past 3,000 years it was used to explain indigestion, then melancholia, then neurosis and then, finally, "a misplaced fear of illness based on misinterpretation of bodily symptoms". Statistics have been bandied about by doctors: the equivalent of one day a week of surgery time lost to these perfectly healthy people; up to 13% of us worrying about our health when we might not have done in the past.”

“Contemporary ideas about hypochondria include these: as cave persons, we were hard-wired to worry about threat. John Naish, in his book The Hypochondriac's Handbook: A Disease for Every Occasion, An Illness for Every Symptom, points out how modern sanitation and medicine have eliminated the old dangers, but modern civilization has given us more time, money and energy to fixate on illness. There has been a huge drop in mortal illness in the western world, but a massive increase in new diagnoses. As these new "illnesses" emerge, they are over-reported and given disproportionate significance.”

“There have been two other major shifts in society. The first is the rise of the internet, which has spawned "cyberchondria". Health is now the second-most popular internet search topic after pornography. Millions of people tap symptoms and diseases into Google and wait for some dreadful outcome. I am an aficionado of these sites (my favourite is the NHS site, patients.co.uk). We terrify ourselves as we read information we do not understand and use to justify our worst fears.”

“The second change is the role of the GP. As one told me recently: "People don't trust their GPs any more. We haven't the time to give patients what they need, and it's resulted in a breakdown of trust. They go on the internet themselves." ”

More on Cyberchondria - “Cyberchondria refers to a person's anxiety about their health that is created or exacerbated by using the internet to search for medical information. A British newspaper coined the term in the early 2000s as a play on the word hypochondria. Like hypochondria, cyberchondria involves excessive anxiety about health.”

Others Experiences via Social Media

https://www.findmecure.com/blog/inside-the-soul-of-a-hypochondriac/ - detailed account of hypochondriac, many in the comments as well.

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2010/jan/17/health-and-wellbeing-anxiety - article in the Guardian which has a fairly detailed account as well as some historical context.

I’m a member of some social media groups where we could share the survey.

Story Ideas / Inspiration

One experience that seems almost universal in most of the accounts I’ve been reading is the obsession with looking up symptoms. I was thinking we could do a deep dive into the illness the person thinks they have, using archive material and research to create a kind of mini film within the documentary which would try to portray how absorbing this aspect of the illness can be. Maybe before the film it could be daylight, then once it’s done it’s dark? Also maybe afterwards when the character is lying in bed when they close their eyes the film starts playing again? This could also be a good way to use some archive material so we had less filming to do.

Do we begin with what caused the health anxiety or do we just flash back to this? Also, how do we end - does the character get better?

Goals of the Documentary

To paint a picture of what it is really like for someone with health anxiety - often they are seen as attention seekers or faking it, and people become frustrated with them, but it’s a real illness which can have dramatic effects on peoples’ lives. 

Sources

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DG5pkGTJqWM - a 50 min documentary that was on c4 which follows 4 people with health anxiety as they try to get better.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iu6Ooht4bAA&feature=emb_imp_woyt - short animation (soundscape?).

Tormented Hope: Nine Hypochondriac Lives - book which is commonly referenced in articles and discussions on hypochondria.

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I think - that as an autistic person myself - having with multiple people who use FAKE autism as a CRUTCH, I know how to spot the signs. When it’s forced, when it’s painfully obviously fake, same with DID, and pretty much any other “controversial” mental illness.

Not only that, but, Fun Faz Fact; did you know that faking is actually making it more difficult for people to get taken seriously and assessed for literally anything that is even remotely considered complex?

Source: my own lived experiences and my medically certified best friend who has a literal degree in psychiatry.

I don't know, I think r/fakedisordercringe is okay, actually.

I spent the worst part of 6 years thinking I had DID, and other things I didn't because my ex-husband fucking Munchausen By Proxy'ed me. FDC not only made me realize that what I was experiencing was likely fake, but also reminded me that even with a fuck ton of research, and self tests, you can still be wrong. I'd spent 4 out of those 6 years looking shit up, self assessing, taking those assessments to my psyche. I was wrong.

I am now seeking diagnosis for BPD, as my best friend, who is a medically certified psych, and literally diagnoses people for a living, has suggested I do, as I meet the criteria for BPD way before DID.

FDC also made me realize how many people fake being autistic. Which I have been fighting for assessment and diagnoses for almost my entire life, despite being quite obviously autistic in my day-to-day life.

Those who fake, those who appropriate - do you not realize you are actively harming people? Do you not realize you are actively making it harder to get proper diagnoses? To get proper resources? To be taken seriously by medical professionals?

[fuck-customers]

I have a nice workplace in terms of management and most of my coworkers so my experience here may be a bit skewed but I'd like to speak about my experience with something that affects a lot of people on this page MENTAL HEALTH IN THE WORKPLACE.

This is gonna get long and I've actually cut out a lot to save explaining because it's a bit ...shitty... but here's the main story. 

I just wanna say on the out -  don't be afraid of sharing. I found that sharing actually did help me a lot at work, and if I told them earlier it would have saved me a lot of hassle.

I've worked for the same company for almost 4 years now. I started as a high school student, transferred and then continued as a university student. Before that I worked in a really terrible small store as a summer temp, and I've worked for my school during the summer for three weeks (and ongoing corresponding throughout the year that I'm paid for) as part of a summer school exchange. But. My focus for this will be my main job and the store I'm currently at.

I suffer from an anxiety disorder - with it brining symptoms of depression but I would never really say I had depression or even depression and anxiety. I don't take meds and I'm not currently in therapy (I had a short stint at the beginning of this year but had to bail as it interfered with class). Although I believe understanding your symptoms is important I'm not 100% of self-diagnosis but I was pretty sure prior to diagnosis that I had problems with anxiety. I was diagnosed in 2014. 

I'd never properly brought it up at work. I sometimes mentioned feeling increasingly more anxious at times when I was at store 1 during my high school days and this was brushed off. I think my supervisor said something along the lines of, "everyone gets like that! just relax!" he was a pretty nice guy, but, a bit dim. Another time I told him I was stressed and he told me I was too young to be stressed. 

The first time it came up was when I first got introduced to my current manager. I was working in the store for about 2 or so months when my manager there quit. I was heartbroken because I really hated my then "new" store at the time and constantly felt homesick - him and maybe one or two others made it bearable. What's worse, my new(current) manager was known to a lot of the staff already as he worked between our store and another store as a supervisor a few years back, and then became a temporary ASM before the current one came. I was opening with him on maybe his third shift back, it was me, another staff member and someone completely new. He didn't say one word to me - really - as he wanted to help the new person and he knew the other person. I felt super uncomfortable as for that whole shift I felt forgotten about - he spoke to everyone else as they were either a new seasonal staff or he worked with them beforehand. I was just not on his radar. At this time. I hated this place even more. At this time, my anxiety was hella bad. I had a lot on my plate, like, a fuckload of shit that I'd rather not get into online and it would probably get us off the point of this place. 

Essentially, I needed to clarify something with work that my old manager had told me was okay but it didn't seem to be noted anywhere. As I didn't know him at all, I asked supervisor number 1 about my issue. Supervisor 1 shrugged me off and told me I'd have to speak to our boss about this. He wasn't in on my next shift, so, I decided to ask supervisor 2 - supervisor 2 was less helpful than supervisor 1 as she told me the exact opposite of what I was hoping. I cried the whole way home. I felt trapped and hopeless.

I even contacted my old manager asking if I could transfer back down. It was almost Xmas anyway, so, I could just go home (although this was not ideal, abusive household). I only lived about 100 miles away so I could always travel to there on a Friday night, work the weekend and come up mid-Monday as I had no class either until the summer (when I would just come home and work...again not ideal but at the time I was getting a lot of money for my age as I was still only 17) or I could just work there until I found a new job here.

The next shift I was in was with my manager, it was a Tuesday starting early, I don't know why I was scheduled in for this shift as I had class. But. I went anyway. I thought fuck it, I'll ask him. As I didn't know him that well I just explained my situ and also what Supervisor 2 said to me. I also told him (truthfully) that I'd been having panic attacks since Supervisor 2 spoke to me.

His response was kinda ...weird. He thought it was "fucked up" (exact words) that he had no handover on the issue and immediately sorted it. He told me later on that shift that "nothing work related should make you that anxious EVER". And we left it like that.

I still felt left out at work. My manager still didn't really speak to me. My anxiety was getting worse due to class/bad family back "home" and work. I recall getting told off by my manager for something really trivial and for asking for a holiday a few times for him to snap at me before storming off to enter it. I assumed he didn't like me. I was a pain in his ass. 

Shortly after this, I got hit by a massive anxiety truck. I felt so low, I couldn't leave my bed. I missed so much class and so much work (although I lied and said I had food poisioning from work as I didn't know how to bring it up). And then... I felt better. I was scheduled for work at 9:30am on a Sat, which was pretty standard and the night before a few of my high school friends were in town for a gig, so I met them after it for a drink. Honestly, I don't drink A LOT - I have a very low tolerance made worse by anxiety. Since I was in class all day and was meant to work the next day this would be the only time I'd see them for a while. I lasted one drink and felt overwhelmed. I had to go home. I cried all night and couldn't calm myself down. Before I knew it, it hit 7:30am and I was still shaking so badly. I honestly couldn't make it out of my place to get the bus. Serving customers was off the menu. I'd only been back on shift as well, and hadn't done my back to work. I called in and it was Supervisor 2 - who I really hated and was leaving soon. But. I just told her. I couldn't lie anymore.

"You've been off a lot."

I had been off a lot - at my old location I was off ONCE and that was because I had a sickness bug and was sent home the day previously. (I had to throw up and couldn't make it to the bathroom so threw up outside the store...lovely). I'd been off here a lot - mainly due to catching illnesses but more recently due to anxiety. 

"....I'll go see a doctor?" I shrugged.

"Yes, do that. I'll say to manager." 

I had a long weekend (inc Monday) of wallowing in self pity before making my way to the doctors on the Tuesday. My doctor could see I was intensely stressed and asked me if my student loan could cover my living costs (no) as my job seemed unnecessary due to my university commitments. By this time I had lost around 20 lbs as well - I was never skinny to begin with but this weight came off in about 2-3 months essentially because I was living off ramen as the thought of cooking/going to the shop seemed too scary (hahahah you're such a student with your ramen nope I'm fucking mentally ill). He offered me medication but I denied, as I was worried about adjusting to them so close to my deadlines. I planned to start them that summer but I'm still not on anything. He wrote me off for a further two weeks for both work and uni, but, I was behind on uni so went in anyway. 

I didn't want to go back to work. The thought of work made me feel so ill and so anxious. I started looking at new jobs and filled in an application for a stockroom job for a museum gift shop. I was just waiting for the right time to contact my old manager from the first store for a reference because there was No Way In Hell my boss was gonna give me a reference. 

When I returned, after trying not to cry as I reached the door, my boss grinned at me as I walked in, "HEY WELCOME BACK! :)" 

"...hi..."

"I'll catch up with you later, okay?"

As I entered the staffroom, a new face was there, "HI I'm Supervisor 2.1!" Supervisor 2 had left already, phew. Supervisor 2.1 kept talking and talking and talking. He was nice. I already decided I liked him because he seemed to have little filter and seemed genuine. 

"I used to work at [other location] but I live in [same place as me] so this is closer! And I'm getting more money as I'm not a SUPERVISOR!!! Just getting used to the busses!"

I smiled and told him I got the busses too and would help him tonight. 

As I was about to start, my manager called me into his office to do my paperwork and also dragged Supervisor 2.1 in to show him how to do it, and to keep him "in the loop".

"We need to do your back to work form. But this is quite serious."

I thought...fuck... he thinks I'm faking. I'm gonna get fired for a lot of absences. 

Nope.

We filled in the form as usual and looked over my doctors note. He said he recalled the time I told him I was taking panic attacks and just thought I was exaggerating and he apologised a lot for thinking that.

He then told me he valued me so much as a team member as I always got shit done and was a hardworker, he apologised if he'd ever been "off" with me as he said he just didn't really think I liked him or needed constantly guidance on tasks.

We had this long-ass chat about mental health. In which he told me he'd been on and off anti-anxiety medication for the past 5 years. He went into detail about how he didn't go into his old work at all and eventually got fired and said he was super proud I sought help before things went too far for me in regards to either work or school. Supervisor 2.1 chipped in and said he's a very nervous person, perhaps not anxiety level but nevertheless very nervous.

It went on for an hour and since then, we've had a great relationship. And I mean REALLY GREAT. Essentially, we worked out we were basically the same person - I would have probably never found out this shit if we never had this long-ass convo. I also become really close friends with Supervisor 2.1 who constantly gets me into trouble for talking to him and coming back late from lunch as he always insists on dining out. 

I think I was making myself quite distant at work because I was in a bad place mentally - and because of that - I was getting increasingly anxious at work.....the cycle went on.

Since then, I've obviously had "difficulties" but it's been super easy to talk to managers about it. I once mentioned, in passing, to our ASM how the messy tshirts unsettled me and she switched my zone in the store so I could go tidy them (I was doing nothing anyway). I've had reviews and have been praised for hard work and customer service - with downsides being confidence, usually. 

Recently, I had quite a bad anxiety "relapse" - I asked my manager if I could talk to him - as it was fucked anyway and an issue at work with one coworker and another being assholes to myself and another coworker made it worse. Mixed in with deadlines, I needed either reduced hours or a couple of back of house shifts to help me calm. We talked out the issues and I took a panic attack that he managed to talk me out of before it got too bad which, sadly, kinda set him off a bit as I noticed he was stimming quite badly. He checked up on me that night and thanked me for sharing.

Due to the fact I get easily stressed and my work knows this, they are happy to fit my schedule around my class and deadlines. Something that before they were a bit like "meh" about. 

I just wanna say PLEASE DO NOT DO A ME AND HOLD IT IN UNTIL IT GETS REALLY BAD. I still get very stressed and nervous when I think about that time in my life - if I had been more open earlier I would have saved myself a lot of stress which in turn made my mental health worse. 

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Aye…

I kind of have to vent and I’m sorry but I have no one to talk to (irl) about this so y’all have to deal with it. Lo siento.

So, basically, I just needed to type out how I’m feeling and why and what contributed to my poor mental health at present time.

A problem for me right now is finding a creative outlet that I’m confident in. Like, I could draw but it frustrates me so much and I just want to relax. I also write but it just doesn’t satisfy like it used to. I find comfort in acting but obviously, I can’t always be doing that. I’m just trying hard, you know? Like, I listen to music to try and feel okay but it’s so bland now. I listen to the same thing repeatedly. This isn’t really a problem but just kind of an ehh?

Then there’s my mother. I honestly don’t know how to feel anymore. On one hand, I love her, but on the other hand I’ve become kind of skeptical. When I came out to her it was kind of dissatisfying? She didn’t kick me out or anything but she said that she can’t judge me and that I have to answer to God when the time comes. Like, that wasn’t very reassuring…at all. Since then I’ve kind of adopted a different idea of God because I don’t like the God she was talking about, but that’s for another time. Then there’s her problem of guilt tripping. Even over the tiniest of things. For example, today she wanted me to go into a store and get her a soda. I said no because my anxiety was kind of bad today and I really did not want to deal with anybody. Then started going off about how much she’s done for me and that I do nothing for her, which really ha pisses me off. Every day she makes my grandmother and I go to the store for her and get drinks or whatever. Then my grandma doesn’t want to go in because she doesn’t feel right going anywhere because my grandpa couldn’t. Like, my mom tries to make my grandma feel bad even though she lost her husband like two months ago.  She makes me do an excessive amount of chores and doesn’t let me do my homework until they are done.

Then there’s the problem of not believing that I have mental health issues. She only believes I have depression because I’ve been diagnosed with it. I told her that I might have bipolar disorder and she just brushes it off. I tell her that I’m going to need anti-depressants because I’m getting to be suicidal and that medicine might help with some of that depression. She says okay how about try something natural first. And you know what? That natural shit she got me doesn’t help.  And? I’m more suicidal, thanks.  I do ask to get a therapist but she says we don’t have the money and I’m like, yeah, okay. Bills need to be paid and whatnot. But then, she goes and buys the most pointless shit. She buys herself makeup, numerous art supplies (you know how much supplies cost?), some vegetarian trash, and tons of pointless shit from dollar tree. Like, I understand a therapist is expensive but so are 10 canvasses, brushes, and paints from Hobby Lobby and A.C. Moore. It just makes me angry that her hobby is way more important than her child’s mental health.

The reason I don’t vent to her is because she just talks over me and shuts me down. I guess?? Some people shut down others’ feelings?? To cope?? I tried to bring up some of her behavior that’s been affecting me and she just yells at me and say she’s allowed to because she is the parent. ESPECIALLY when I tell her that I don’t like when she goes through my phone. She invades my privacy, which is why I don’t write in a diary and why instead I am here typin’ this pointless shit. She tries to follow me on all my social media so I just deleted everything so I didn’t have to create a fake account or something.

She doesn’t understand my sister and me. We make a lot of white people jokes but once my mom started throwing tantrums over them we had to stop or visit each other’s room and laugh. The only reason I talk to my sister is really because we aren’t white and we both have to deal with the bs white people pull. Even then I don’t want to talk to her though because she calls me a (you already know it) a f*g. I tell my mom that it makes me uncomfortable and she does nothing.

The only people I can stand being around is my grandma and my step-dad. Sometimes I can’t even be around my grandma because she cries over my grandpa and I’ve seem to have lost my sympathy (and empathy trait) probably due to my mom. Then my dad just plays on his phone all day until he has work which can be relieving but I’m social person and he doesn’t talk. I just keep to myself.

Then there’s some weird stuff from my childhood. My cousin used to shoot the younger kids (I was one of them) with BBs and received no punishment. He constantly tormented us. He locked me outside at night, locked me in a chicken pen, chased me around at night, threw rocks at me, chased me with a lawnmower, rolled me into the road while I was in a barrel, etc. When I told my mom that this was happening she lightly scolded him and told me to stop being a crybaby. On the note of being a crybaby, she has made joke about me many times and when I tell her to stop she calls me crybaby and tells me to grow up. What really scares me is that sometimes I mess with my little siblings in light ways and my mom will be like “You’re just like your cousin.” Like, I’ll take something away from them but give it back. My mom says this and I just? Then my little brother starts hitting me and my mom laughs and says ‘he’s just like (my cousin)’. Do you know how terrifying that is?

Then there’s the times when my step-dad laid on top of me a couple times. It wasn’t anything serious but it makes me uncomfortable to think about. Skip. Then there was some random guy that was my aunt’s friend who came in her apartment kind of late at night and used my entire pelvis as pillow and wouldn’t let me go. Skip. Then an ex wouldn’t stop sliding his hand up my thigh even when I told him to stop. Skip. The countless times guys in my class have sexualized me. Skip.

There’s just so much that I’ve tried to block out but it just keeps coming back and I have no one to talk to. None of my irl friends (who I’m close to) text me back so I don’t talk about this stuff to them. Only the ones who I’m not tight with text me back and sometimes they aren’t people I wanna socialize with. I just feel so discarded. I feel like I’m not important to anyone. To be honest, I really don’t know what’s holding me back. I think the only reason I’m still breathing is out of spite.

If you read this whole thing then you must be bored out of your mind because this was way too long. I don’t know. Leave a like if you did finish, though.