#anti disney canon

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Me when looking for Star Wars content and finding nothing but Disney/TCW content

[jupitersrising]

Ben not seeing the love potion as malicious is actually so important to me. Because why would he think someone giving a love potion would have ill intentions for him? Sure, he's heard of the heroes horrific pasts but those are just stories of the ye ole' days the adults share. He's the result of the Happily Ever After, things like that don't happen anymore. All the evil-doers are put away. He believes all the Isle Kids have that same kind of experience. Of course he'd just think Mal was actually this shy girl who was too afraid to ask him out. He wants to see the best in her; he sees the best in everyone.

Mal, on the other hand, knows just how wrong it is. She never, ever corrects him on his assumption of her having a crush on him and being too afraid to ask him out. Because why would she want to do that? Making him understand the implications of a love potions just drags him into her world, into the Isle where stuff like that was always malicious.

Obviously I don't condone Mal's actions, and the implications of a potion that makes someone obsessed ("love") with another person is something from a fucking horror novel. I just think it makes sense (in-universe) that he'd never think that she had malicious intentions and that she would never want to tell him.

[the-far-bright-center]

Trying to interact with Star Wars fandom these days is so frustrating because so many fans don’t seem to realise how much they are allowing Disney's reframing of the Lucas-era material to dictate their understanding of the story and its characters. Why should Disney’s ‘additions’ even be considered a valid frame of reference for material that predates it? Especially when not even made by the same creator? The Lucas saga has been around for decades prior to any of Disney's retcons and meddling, after all. So why people expect OG saga fans to take their Disney-influenced interpretations seriously, I’ll never know.

[descendantofthesparrow]

honestly the way this is still being played up as romantic is just like 🙃🙃 like she drugged him, yes she felt bad in the end and fixed it with a antidote, but after its revealed she never told him the truth and is just telling the entire kingdom a lie that Ben thought was the truth, just makes it so ick

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This open contempt for Luke is yet another reason why I don't consider what Disney shat out to be the real Canon.

I know Mark Hamill is too old to play Luke pre-sequel trilogy now and it's probably too expensive to keep using tech to de-age him.

But.

I feel angry on Luke's behalf that he's mostly forgotten about now in canon. Luke became a Jedi and brought Anakin back to the Light Side and it's kinda like Star Wars has just gone "thank you, next" and discarded him?? It's his storyline to rebuild the Jedi Order but they had him mess that up and passed over his storyline to Rey. It's like they've decided Luke's only value was saving Anakin and now that that's done they don't care about him anymore. Justice for Luke Skywalker. He deserves so much better.

[gch1995]

Why do you care about Vader's feelings so much? He doesn't deserve dignity. I hope Lucasfilm makes a story where he's captured by the Rebellion and brutally tortured until he's crying for Shmi. They'll use force suppressing devices and make him feel like the worthless slave he is

I care because Star Wars is primarily Anakin’s story, whether you like it or not. I care because Luke’s entire character arc in the OT films is pointless if Obi-Wan Kenobi and Yoda were always meant to be the perfect mentors, who did nothing wrong. I care, not just about Anakin’s feelings, but the feelings of every other Jedi recruit who had serious issues with the way the old Jedi Order and Republic operated.

I care, because if the Jedi are supposed to be the good guys, in spite of their flaws, then we should ultimately be rooting for them to rise again with Luke Skywalker. Because Anakin’s arc and feelings in the prequels are no longer treated as valid in the Disney era of Star Wars, that means Obi-Wan and Yoda are treated as being completely right all along, and the new Jedi Order cannot grow with Luke Skywalker in the current canon. The same bad choices and mistakes keep being made in the current canon because he follows his blatantly misguided predecessors, which was not implied at the end of the OT movies at all. While I would never agree that mass murder/genocide is the answer to deal with stopping them, because the current canon narrative ignores all the serious issues Anakin and his predecessors had, at least in part, because of the blatant corruption within the Order and Republic they grew up amongst, I’m also not too thrilled that Luke rebuilt the Order because he’s repeating all of their misguided choices and practices in current canon as a result.

[brsb4hls]

Ok, I'm ship neutral, so no ship hate, but I have never seen people absolutely denying reality and facts this hard and as a logic loving person I cannot stand this level of delusion.

Lokius shippers might as well argue the earth is flat in the main tags, that's what it feels like to scroll trough this weirdness.

So it's gonna be this one rant post, correctly tagged of course, to vent and then I'll have to blacklist this tag (which I have never done before with any tag, cause nothing was ever this bad) for my sanity.

Firstly:

Sylki is the canon relationship of the show.

Still, even if they've broken up.

So, if Loki is in love, it's with Sylvie.

That's that Isaac Bauman interview.

It is not in any way confirmation of lokius.

(Oh and the rainbow as a symbol of hope and new beginnings passes over everybodys face. Because Loki gives everyone hope. Rainbows did have symbolic meaning before the creation of the pride flag and by denying that, shippers sound like weird ass Karens claiming the fashion industry is pushing the gay agenda by printing rainbows on kids shirts.)

Now next interview, the Kevin Wright one:

He talks about Sylki as a romantic relationship and how much Loki still cares about her, even if there is no time to focus on that, and mentions that Loki was only able to do what he did 'because he cares about her, he cares about Mobius, more than anyone he's ever cared about.' Both of them!

So shippers actually took a Sylki interview to make it about Lokius.

The 'it's about who': there's an Eric Martin interview, where he explains that losing Sylvie was the last straw for Loki and then he started to control his slipping and it was about all of the people he cared about.

Which is logical, since he can slip if he focuses on a person. If it was about Mobius only, how would he end up in the citadel again.

And Loki does a full turn, then looks at the space where the audience would be, but not directly into the camera. Because it is about everyone in that room. Full turn.

Tom's interviews:

Tom calls both Mobius and Sylvie mirrors in an interview.

He uses 'passionate disagreement' for both of them.

He had to be informed about Lokius, because he wasn't aware of it, but is obvi ship neutral/ positive here, because he's a decent human being. That's still no canon confirmation.

Oh and the scrapped ep 5? There's no way it was simply 'romcom-like', as shippers love to imagine, that would have impressed nobody and Marvel already did that with WandaVision, so it would not have been a 'big conceptual swing.

It was most likely about Loki going back to the New York invasion, which is why B 15 is in 2012. Or slipping further back even.

That would not have fit the tone of the show and blewn the budget, so it got axed.

Now my inner virgo feels better.

I can't stand people spreading misinformation, that has actually nothing to do with shipping, but with my fact-loving self.

[i-am-trans-gwender]

One time I was messing around with ai (don't worry I don't use it anymore) and I asked it to write a Disney movie based on Princess Diana of Wales. The only part I remember is that it said that Queen Elizabeth II is a villain just like in real life.

[anidala-for-ever]

I think this is more damage to characters and the fandom made by Disney. It's because of that infernal Ken*bi show, that had no basis in canon. And now, after Leia spent ( I just can't accept it as canon) a few weeks ( days?) with OW the fandom has latched on this thi, because Luke rejected his teachings openly, though never maliciously. In original canon, Leia only sends OW a message calling him by his full name, never speaks to him face to face and is horrified by the implications of his death. OW never appears to her as a Ghost and the only time she is referenced is when he and Yoda plan to replace Luke with his sister if Luke dies. I really wish that show was never made. It destroyed a lot of the characters.

I think that generally accepted fan headcanon that Leia would wish OW was her dad over Anakin or not understanding why Padmé fell for him instead of OW is unfunny and baseless. Mostly coping mechanisms for people who hate Anakin or severely project themselves inside or project something inside OW.

[comebackali]

so i'm finally reading master & apprentice and apparently claudia gray is my BEST FRIEND because disney was like, "hey, after the successes of the other books you've written for us, do you wanna maybe write a prequels book?' and she was like, "oh abso-fucking-lutely. here's 430 pages of qui-gon being a dick to babywan and making him feel like absolute shit about himself xoxo ❤️❤️❤️" and the good people of disney star wars were like, "that's great john you can go ahead and order it."

[kyliafanfiction]

Really can't say I like the glimpses of Disney Canon's expanded handling of the interquel space - the shows are good, but the other stuff? Ugh.

[jewishbarbies]

what are your thoughts on pre-mcu marvel movies, like the raimi spider-man movies?

honestly i believe they’re superior in every way. early mcu films can compete but they still don’t win. there’s an element of heart missing from mcu movies and pre mcu movies were REALLY good at the very least at being true to character. whether that was in the plot, narrative, or the mc itself. they weren’t afraid to include elements that would upset large audiences, like the anti military vibes in edward norton’s hulk (which iron man completely shied away from even though they were released in the same year). like they all obviously have their faults and production wasn’t always as high dollar as mcu movies today, but they got more right than they did wrong in terms of storytelling and i would MUCH rather watch them instead.

[anidala-for-ever]

I actually don't mind this choice that much. I mean it's too on the nose and everything, but if there was precedent it's even more possible for Qui-Gon to have thought Anakin was created by the Force.

Wow, Disney really can't hide their hatred of Anakin Skywalker huh...

As was established in Phantom Menace, Shmi Skywalker tells Qui-Gon that Anakin has no father, that she carried him and gave birth alone. Hence Anakin was created by the Force to counteract what Darth Plagueis had done by meddling with life and death.

And now Disney, showing once again that they never learn after the MaRey Sue Palpatine joke, has created The Acolyte which has a pair of twins that were "created by the Force". I mean... ffs Disney. Anakin just can't keep anything, can he? You already tried to put Woobie-Wan on his level of power by pushing this 'Force Dyad' bullsh*t and now this? They even used the same "who is the father" "there was no father" lines!

Star Wars is, at it's heart, the story of Anakin Skywalker. The Chosen One. Disney is just not getting the memo. I very much doubt that Disney has some plan for future episodes that will make this little plotline anything else but yet another carbon copy of Anakin's story and origin.

[terriblygrimm]

i haven’t watched rebels season 5 oops i mean a.hsoka and i dont ever plan to (disney can burn after mando 3) but i gotta say dave fil.oni making s.abine a force sensitive mandalorian is some kind of next level piece of shit move

[the-far-bright-center]

For the last 8 years now, it’s been exceedingly lonely being a SW fan who is legitimately content with the Prequels and Original Trilogy as my only actual canon. The story is perfect to me as it is, and I simply cannot relate to people who constantly clamour for ‘more’.

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Chewbacca was better off dead. At least in Real Canon he died saving Han's son and went out roaring as a moon hit the planet he was on. In DisCanon, he's stuck being MaRey Sue's chauffeur.

I'm just... Sad ? Angry ? Disappointed ?... when I think about how Star Wars Legends was just... erased of the official timeline. And worse, some elements of this masterpiece were used into the Sequels.

Jacen Solo and Ben Skywalker ? Erased for Ben Solo.

Jaina Solo ? Erased for Rey Palpatine/Skywalker.

Anakin Solo ? Never heard of him, Leia could never forgive her real father.

The death of Chewbacca ? Happen in the Legends, not in the Sequels (I'm actually happy about that.)