#anti buckynat

[wntrsnat]

Was Natasha a kid when she met Bucky?

It’s a widespread misconception outside of winterwidow fandom that Bucky and Natasha have known each other since she was a kid. I’ve seen a handful of people object to their relationship for this reason or (sometimes in a humorous manner) comment on how weird it is. And I'd have to agree with them. Bucky dating Natasha despite having trained her since she was a child would have been utterly inappropriate, if not immoral and disgusting. However, the assumption is not only incorrect but also fundamentally impossible.

Let’s go back to the beginning to clarify why that assumption is fundamentally impossible. Different universes equal different realities, and different realities equal different characters. Sometimes characters' counterparts across multiple realities only differ in details, not the basics. MCU characters have a similar correlation with their What If counterparts but not comics’ ones, which is a grave mistake cinematic fans make. I believe that’s why we have this absurd assumption as well, from someone thinking that 616 Black Widow and Winter Soldier are the same age as their more famous counterparts.

MCU’s Natasha Romanoff was born in 1984, and Bucky – 1917. Thus, an adult-kid dynamic is plausible. If we consider cryostasis, Bucky was still pushing 30 when Natasha was born. The situation, however, is significantly different for their 616 counterparts. Let’s start with Earth 616’s Bucky Barnes, who was born in 1925, making him nearly a decade younger than the cinematic one. But that isn’t what disproves the aforementioned belief. What disproves it is that Earth 616’s Natasha Romanoff was born around 1928, making her 56 years older than her cinematic counterpart and just 3 years younger than 616 Bucky. You will find this information on the following page from Black Widow: Deadly Origin, a 2009–2010 graphic novel (which I will be using as a basis today):

This alone debunks the adult/child misconception, but I want to go one step further and discuss the timeline of Natasha's time in the Red Room and the early years of the Winter Soldier.

At the young age of 20, Bucky Barnes "died" alongside Captain America in late 1945, in last days of the war. The Russian submarine discovered Bucky's preserved body after the war while hoping to retrieve Captain America’s remains. And with that, the Winter Soldier story began, along with his role as a super soldier trainer at the Red Room for Department X.

Now, one might say, "Ana, if he was 20, Natasha was 17, which is still kind of wrong, no?". My answer is yes; it would’ve been rather inappropriate. "Would’ve been" because there’s a catch: Natasha wasn’t part of the Red Room when he joined.

I know what you’re thinking: What the fuck, wasn’t she...? Didn’t she…? So let me explain that one from the beginning.

Natasha Romanoff, then 10 years old, was brought to the Red Room in 1938 by her father figure, Ivan Petrovich (a terrible piece of shit about whom I'll write a blog), Taras Romanov, and Joseph Stalin himself. After her trainer, Wolverine, killed Taras in 1940, she let Wolverine go, fled into the woods, and was found three months later by Ivan, possibly going back under his care, which can be seen below:

She returned to the Red Room only at the age of 28, ironically enough, becauseof Ivan, which is depicted on the following page:

There, we find a collapsed building with a bleeding Ivan and a sobbing Natasha, who have been approached by …. *DRUM ROLL* ….  the Winter Soldier, who has been sent by his superiors. They were both offered the super soldier serum that would save Ivan in exchange for their newfound loyalty, which Natasha accepted despite Ivan's protests.

Here we are, then: Natasha, 28, meets the Winter Soldier, roughly 31, who’ll soon be her lover and her trainer. Two adult people who met when they were both adults. And with that, we conclude our blog, disproving the infamous “she was a kid when they met!” argument.

Thanks for reading my blog. If you have questions or have found a mistake, let me know. I'll be happy to answer and discuss <3

[missmarvelobsession]

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Did it hurt... to be denied what you were OWED??! So infuriating especially when you know the actors were on board! 😭

[burninblood]

I still can't believe tumblr didn't want me to post a drawing of two people cuddling in bed 'couse there was a naked tummy with a navel showing?!?!?! and still that horrible tumblr live crap is up and running. what a world to live in.

[venussaidso]

Everyday I think how the MCU would've been if they just did buckynat like damnnn they really teased the fuck outta me jfc I hate Marvel. 💀

[anonymousmink]

i didn’t realise you shipped stucky lol when that happen?

Well I mean they’ve always been my Brotp, and the love and loyalty they have for each other is undeniable, but I guess I don’t technically ship them, at least not in the way you mean I think. OTP wise I’ve always been a BuckyNat with hints of Wintershock girl and I liked Steggy in the first movie (although even I think the going back in time thing was OOC and a Bad Choice but let’s not talk about that movie!) so I guess I don’t really have a Steve OTP.

That said I don’t not-ship them, like I completely see the attraction and the ship has a loooot of supporting evidence lol - if it happened in canon I would not be mad at all about it. Plus the Stucky community has been incredibly kind about my half-nekkid Bucky art and given me lots of great suggestions for future pics I have no problem drawing! 💜

So yeah - hope that clears it up, I’m not an active shipper but I’m also not like an anti-shipper or anything? They’re cute together, I very much get the appeal, I like drawing them, but I probably won’t be posting any uh… hardcore Stucky art unless it’s been commissioned. ^^’

(Fun fact though, I’ve been comm’d to draw Stucky, Stony, Stuckony, BuckyNat AND SteveNat before - maybe one day I’ll get a full Avenger Ship bingo and unlock infinity stone powers of my own…)

[vole-mon-amour]

The "You hate black women" argument when it comes to Bucky x Sarah is ridiculous. I hate every ship with Steve and Bucky that is not Stucky. I hate SamBucky. I hate SarahBucky. I hate BuckyNat. I hate St*ggy. I fucking HATE SteveTony. Don't fucking @ me, my brain is soaked in SteveBucky and it is canon for me. Disney and Marvel are just homophobic & SteveBucky would have been married by the end of Endgame if one of them was a woman.

Tag your damn ships properly please.

[mrd-gvf]

Seeing the black widow trailer reminded me of those yuckynat theories about bucky training her and such. lol she died and they didn't even interact.

I still see those but I can't wait for the movie to come out and prove that he never trained her

[graylu]

i may not have gotten the stevenat endgame i deserved but the binkynots got NOTHING i love life

[smallspitefire]

A lot of the time I really want to get into the comics ((even tho there are sooo many 🥵)) but then I see a rec for winter solider comics and I’m forcefully smacked in the face with the fact that b*ckyn*t exists and I completely loose all motivation to even try

[wntrsnat]

As we talk about how much I want Ed to return and give Winterwidow the Justice they deserve, let’s also not forget how dirty Marvel did both Ed Brubaker and Steve Epting, who created the Winter Soldier and brought Bucky Barnes’s character back to life.

Remember this?

Or those?

“When I see ads for [The Falcon and The Winter Soldier], it actually makes me feel sick to my stomach.”

“When I work with people I try to give them the best deal possible. And if something ends up being a bigger thing I try to actually adjust their deal so they can take part in that too.”

“There’s nothing preventing anyone at marvel from looking over how much the winter soldier has been used in all this stuff and calling me and steve epting and saying, ‘you know what, we’re going to try to adjust the standard thing so you guys feel good about this.'”

“I have made more on sag residuals than I have made on creating the character for my one line that got cut.”

“it’s just weird that they’re so ungenerous to me. It’s especially weird because a lot of them are friends of mine. Or people that I thought were friends of mine.”

“There is a corporate mentality. Right now someone inside marvel publishing somewhere is watching this and laughing that I think I got ripped off. There are people that think it’s funny that I’m unhappy about it. I know for a fact because I’ve watched them be that way about other people in person.”

“I look at those credits and there’s all these other executive producers [of] people who were just at the publishing level who had nothing to do with it. I know how much that ep credit actually makes you in a tv show at disney. These people have made so much money on stuff that steve and I did.”

[teameveryonebutironman]

When Sebastian keeps signing onto more movies and none of them are the Black Widow movie

[burninblood]

things not showing in the tags, agaaaain.

[dazzlor]

buckynats pls do not interact with the black widow movie x

[medixnoche]

if they make bucky the love interest in the black widow movie i might actually scream

[animaniacs16]

Y’all. I have a lot of ships. But you do realize that the main reason antis exist is because certain ships are problematic?

Have you noticed that for unproblematic ships, there’s way less antis?

THATS why antis exist. Because ships like Reyl0 and Th/rki are so problematic, and FICTION AFFECTS REALITY.

It’s not us being “petty” or “mean”, it’s STANDING UP AGAINST TOXIC/ABUSIVE/INCEST/PEDOPHILIC SHIPS.

For some anti communities, there’s a GOOD REASON.

*I am NOT saying every anti is perfect! Suicide-baiting is NEVER okay!*

[mrd-gvf]

I'm gonna say it, I find MCU B ucky Nat weird. He trained her and knew her as a child. Them dating would be weird especially as Bucky wasn't even actually Bucky but some weird alt personality. Hey I knew you as child, we should fuck

It hasn't been confirmed that he trained her in the mcu, so don't worry. With the Black Widow movie coming out we'll know that Bucky wasn't part of the Red Room program. Sebastian wasn't even rumoured to be in the movie. It's still super weird and creepy in the comics though, even if they were close in age, they weren't themselves.