#anti aemond x helaena

[helaenasaegon]

The funny thing is: The worst Aegon II haters aren't Team Blacks, they're Team Greens. Usually Aemond stans.

TBs who hate Aegon hate him, but they're usually (usually) normal about it. TG Aegon haters? They're literally out here writing fanfics about him raping his wife (so Aemond can save her, uwu 🥺), his daughter, his mother, his sons (probably), his brothers, and his nephews. They're disturbingly feral about it, it's like crack to them.

[silmarillaure]

Ranting about HoTD ships

Acceptable (in my opinion) tier:

Rhaenyra x Harwin - Nice and non-toxic. No complaints really, they were a good couple who treated each other well.

Laenor x Qarl (or Joffrey.L) - I don't need to explain. Leanor with his lovers is nothing short of sweet.

Jace x Baela - They might ruin it next season but for now they seem very cute. Baela definitely loved him in the book and I at least know nothing about these two is toxic.

Rhaenyra x Laena - Is it gross that Rhaenyra screwed Laena's husband at her funeral? Absolutely, but I think they had potential.

Not unacceptable, but we'd be better off without them:

Helaena x Aemond - NOOO! BOOO!!! Where did Helaena imply she likes her little bro romantically?

Alicent x Criston - Not canon but whyyy??? Just because he's a man, and he doesn't treat Alicent like sh*t doesn't mean they need to have something romantic. Maybe homegirl just wants a friend...

Ships that belong in the pits of hell:

Viserys I x Aemma - Let's not forget she was his broodmare just like Alicent, only she died. Just because he loved her doesn't excuse how he treated her. If you ship them, I don't actually think you care about Aemma.

Daemon x Rhaenyra - HE IS ABUSIVE TO HER!!! And he groomed her.

Daemon x Laena - Book version of Laemon is valid couple (she was an adult woman), but Laena is literally younger than Rhaenyra in this show. She was 16, and Daemon was a grown man.

Aegon II x Helaena - Deeply disturbed they have shippers. To preface this, I don't think he r-worded her, he's disturbed by incest and Aemond would have killed Aegon himself if Aegon did that but point stands Aegon is a disgusting human. I enjoy Aegon as a character but I wouldn't wish for my worst enemy to marry him, let alone a lovely person like Helaena.

Luke x Aemond - It's terrible from both sides. The things they did to each other were horrifying, I don't understand why anyone would ship them. If you want enemies to lovers, please ship any of the other Strongaryens and Targtowers together.

(Adult) Alicent x Rhaenyra - Ok, maybe pits of hell is too extreme for these two but after everything that happens between them... Unless it's an AU where none of the bad stuff happens, no. Just no. I think any love they could have had ended the moment Alicent cut Rhaenyra with that dagger. Young Rhaenicent was so cute tho.

[ophelieverse]

the green kids visiting their daddy death bed🥰

[fictonrantsworld]

Bro my queen helaena has no respect for viserys legit look at these cut scenes from bts of hotd ep 8 of viserys coming in to the dining room...😭

My girl has no respect for her neglectful father like..🤣😂😅 she immediately sat after one sec.

Say whatever about aegon and helaenas relationship but, girl fr prioritized examining and toying with aegons insect gift that he got for her, than her dying father, like girlie...

Bro even aegon stood for a while like...

Aegons look of anger at his father, when he said he loves them all, and helaenas look at viseryss face like...oh yeah...I'm supposed to feel bad for your lost eye but when aemond looses an eye it's nothing huh.

[sunfyredefender77]

It will always be so ironic to me when people hate Aegon for the same things they praise Daemon for, or when they hate on Helaegon but are the number one Daemyra fans at the same time

[2rats1gogh]

I’ve never really seen anyone talking about this, but I noticed that one of the main reasons why I am team green is because team green feels like an actual team that is in this whole thing together.

Team Green feels connected, united, like a family.

Team Black on the other hand is… meh.

And let me explain why:

Rhaenyra being delusional and thinking that Daemon is actually in love with her when he literally just groomed her since she was a child because he has always been after her title and now wants to be her king consort. They have one of the most toxic, creepy and problematic relationships in the entire fucking show.

Then there is the very awkward and uncomfortable moment of Rhaenyra and Daemon having sex on Laena’s funeral, while Rhaenys, Corlys, Baela, Rhaena and Laenor are mourning the loss of their daughter, mother and sister. How fucking disrespectful is this. And then the fact that they have Laenor “killed” just so they can get married and have their own perfectly blonde targaryen babies.

And Rhaenyra lying about Jace, Luke and Joff to everyone in her very own “team”, trying to gaslight not only Corlys, and Rhaenys but also her own sons into thinking they are trueborn, when even Jace himself. as a child, starts asking questions.

Then there are obviously Rhaenys and Corlys, who for some fucking reason neglected their trueborn granddaughters in favor of some dark haired white bastards their daughter-in-law is trying to pass off as their son’s children. Rhaenys is trying sooo hard to please her misogynistic husband because he so desperately wants his name to go down in history. Then the disrespectful betrothal of Jace and Luke to Baela and Rhaena. Rhaenyra is literally robbing these poor girls of their rightful claim to Driftmark and usurping them. And now, with Luke being dead, Rhaena’s claim dies with him.

Baela and Rhaena losing their mother, and now their father suddenly remarries, and has two blonde boys. Rhaenys losing BOTH her children and then seeing her son-in-law and daughter-in-law getting married soon after that.

Everyone in team black is after their own ambitions. They lie to each other, they don’t trust each other, they suspect each other in different things, they cheat on each other (with each other) and lie about it, they give each other forced ultimatums, and yada yada. All their scenes feel forced, tense, awkward and uncomfortable. They look so miserable with each other.

Team Green in this sense is the exact opposite.

Although their dynamic is far from perfect, obviously, you cannot deny that they care about each other very very deeply.

Alicent loves all of her children, and even while acknowledging their flaws, she still loves them.

Aemond might’ve been a little envious of Aegon, but he would never turn his back on him. He would never betray his brother, be would never try to take his crown from him.

Aegon was far from being a perfect man and king, but, as we know, it was his love for his family, and the fear of them getting hurt that made him a more responsible person and a more protective father, husband and brother. Sure, he is a cheater, but at least he’s honest about it and doesn’t lie to his wife. He is not a hypocrite.

Criston is working for Alicent not for ambition or for self-gain, but because he genuinely loves her, whether it’s romantic or platonic, doesn’t matter.

Helaena would never betray her family, her brothers, her mother. They are all she has. She would never switch sides even if given an opportunity.

And even Otto, arguably one of the main villains of the whole show, still loves his family. Sure, he is ambitious, but he would never become Corlys level of ambitious.

Team Green feels like they are fighting against the enemy all together, they have the same goals, they feel united and you can feel their devotion to each other. Especially after blood and cheese, when they become closer than ever. They’re in this together and only if they stick to each other, they can make it. It feels genuine and honest. They don’t hide anything from each other, they always have their loved ones’ best interests at heart, they would never in a million years betray each other. Yes, they are all doomed from the start, but their dedication and love to each other is truly something else.

[ashblooddragons]

The Red Queen Chapters

(summarry: the second daughter of king Viserys caught the hearts of many, but none more than her dear uncle. and daemon will do everything in his power to make sure no one takes his sweet niece.)

this is my first fic and I have dylexia so do be kind and give constructive criticism! thank you!

The Red Queen Kids

The Red Quenn Kids (cause I could fit them all in the first one)

The Red Queen Kids (Laenas daughters and Jaehaerys, Jaehaera, and Maelor)

Dragons

Dragons 2 (for the rest of Daemona and Readers kids)

Dragons 3 (for Laena, Jaehaerys, Jaehaera, and Maelor)

Dragons 4 (Laenas daughters)

prolouge Chapter 1 Chapter 2 Chapter 3 Chapter 4 Chapter 5 Chapter 6 Chapter 7 Chapter 8 Chapter 9 Chapter 10 Chapter 11 Chapter 12 Chapter 13 Chapter 14 Chapter 15 Chapter 16

Moonboards Daemons and Readers Moonboard the kids moonboards

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Special thanks to my amazing friend @sugutoad for making the header! I hope you all love it as much as I do!

[hotdaemondtargaryen]

these writers are allergic to including emotional layers in relationships of targtowers and children of aegon & helaena.

the entire family dynamics of team green got bastardized to elevate team black and saint nyra's relationship to her kids.

'house of the dragon' is a show written by aegon and aemond haters.

they will never make me like or empathize with rhaenyra targaryen, it doesn't matter how bad the writing is.

[urdeftonesgrrrl]

me scrolling through the "anti team black" tag just to like every post I see

[helaenasaegon]

Every time I see someone say that Aemond would make a good/better king than Aegon (or even Rhaenyra), I roll my eyes so hard I can see my brain. 🙄

That Maegor wannabe? I'd give Otto or Alicent the throne before him.

[silmarillaure]

About Helaemond’s deaths [F&B spoilers]

How are Helaemond shippers gonna claim Helaena un-alived herself over Aemond just because they died on the same day when Aemond kissed “his lady Alys” who was pregnant with his child right before the fight with Daemon & Caraxes that got him killed?

Be for f*cking real, Helaena died because she couldn’t bear to go on living without her beloved sons, not over her crazy little brother who for all she knows killed Luke which therefore lead to B&C and was clearly in love with another woman.

[spacerockfloater]

hi! i noticed you learnt about what ryan condal said regarding blood and cheese. it was…something. i would like to know your thoughts on the matter. though it would be completely understandable if you need sometime to gather them together or if you would rather not at all! thank you and bye!

Hello beloved, thank you so much for asking me! I’d love to share my opinion!

If anyone’s wondering, @rhaenelle is referring to this interview where Ryan Condal essentially says he believes that Blood & Cheese’s brutality and heinousness was exaggerated by the Greens in a propagandistic attempt to convince their subjects that Rhaenyra and Daemon are the worst villains ever born, hence why he toned the event down; to show us what he thinks is the accurate version of Jaehaerys’ murder.

Now, I am aware that Condal had already warned us that HOTD was going to be a feminist retelling of the events of F&B, which practically means that his plan has always been to whitewash the everlasting fuck out of Rhaenyra. So what do I think about this?

Well, for starters, I think that Ryan Condal is an excellent businessman. He knows what kind of tropes are going to make the audience engage with his show. He understands that people need a hero to cheer for and a villain to hate, therefore he removed the moral ambiguity from all of the characters and divided them into two categories: the Blacks, enlightened revolutionaries full of passion, deserving of admiration and correct in everything they do, and the Greens, pious fools with a moral superiority complex who are stack in the ways of the past and commit despicable crimes. The average viewer does not possess the intelligence to comprehend that both parties have their good and bad moments, and that they’re both correct in fighting for what each believes is rightfully theirs. Simultaneously, he benefits from the modern trends that want women in media to take revenge when they are wronged and emerge as triumphant girlbosses, because of course a white upper class woman’s suffering in a western world (or Westeros) society has everything to do with her gender and nothing to do with her personality or decisions (even if this works solely for Rhaenyra, because Alicent seems to be held accountable for every single one of her actions). Finally, it is obvious that Condal is trying to appease disgruntled Daenerys fans, so he has rebuilt Rhaenyra into this tortured martyr that wishes to change the world for the better in an attempt to make her resemble her great granddaughter six times removed.

For all of these reasons, I find it very logical that he is going out of his way to minimise the tragedy the Greens experience. It just doesn’t make Rhaenyra look good and honestly, who wants that? The producers saw how unhappy Danny’s stans were when they made her lose her shit; they’re not going to make the same mistake twice. They don’t want their show to tank like the last season of GOT did, so they’ll do everything in their power to keep the audience happy. And it’s working! What’s the last thing Condal says in this clip? “You kinda start rooting for [Blood and Cheese]!” and boy oh boy, the TB stans sure do! Literally hundreds of memes that rejoiced at Jaehaerys’ death were posted on X this week, with tens of thousands of likes. But when Lucerys died, it was presented as the most foul thing to ever happen in the ASOIAF universe. It is the TB supporters that dictate which child murder is good and which is bad, and that decision usually depends on which child came out Rhaenyra’s womb, not let’s say, the fact that one kid was a toddler that could barely walk, while the other was a teenager that laughed at the disabled person he mutilated himself.

It’s all just marketing

That being said, I want to clarify that I understand why Condal and the HOTD producers do what they do, but being a good entrepreneur does not necessarily make you a literary genius. Now, I’m not gonna explain why stripping Rhaenyra off of every character trait that made her interesting is a bad decision and that in their attempt to remove the blame from her so that they can elevate her as this righteous patron of feminism, they’re accidentally removing all of her agency and turning her simply into a victim, because I have a whole blog dedicated to that. But let’s just say that presenting Rhaenyra as this sexually liberated idol that’s incapable of evil, when in fact she’s an entitled aristocrat who’s completely at the mercy of men around her, from her father to her husbuncle, is the most performative activism move ever pulled in recent TV history, as well as pushing the narrative that Alicent suffers from internalised misogyny because duh, a woman can only be good and a feminist if she supports Rhaenyra, not when she pursues her own interests.

Ultimately, I think we just have to accept that this show is not meant for TG fans. We are not going to find any satisfaction in it. Everything that was unique and admirable about the Greens in the book has vanished. Their family dynamic is fucked up, Alicent’s children hate her, Aegon and Halaena cannot stand one another, Alicent is constantly a victim and never someone that chases her own ambitions, Halaena is very vague, Aemond appears to be more angsty than angry, Aegon is a stupid rapist, Jaehaerys’ death was turned into a mockery, Alicole was weaponised in order to make us shit on Alicent and Criston even more and so on. This show barely caters to us because we’re not making them any money.

The reason that there are more TB than TG stans is because (I’m gonna get so much fucking hate for this) most people who watch TV are fucking morons. I swear, when F&B came out 6 years ago, no one gave a flying fuck about Rhaenyra, because we all understood that everyone involved in the Dance of the Dragons was fucked up in their own way and that the message of this story, just like the general message of ASOIAF, is that nobody deserves to sit on that fucking throne. We were all in agreement about that. But then this fucking show came along and all the oblivious simpletons that swallowed whatever the producers shoved down their throats, grabbed the book and decided that “Woah, this book is obviously a critique on patriarchy and Rhaenyra is obviously the victim of the story”! As if GRRM, the man who said that he doesn’t sit down and think “Oh, I’m going to write a woman now” but instead he believes women to be people just like men, with complex personalities, would ever do that. And they just can’t believe that it is possible for book!Rhaenyra to be an evil racist classist full of entitlement! Surely it must be because the Greens are rewriting history! There’s no way GRRM, the man that created Cersei fucking Lannister, would ever make a female character that’s vicious and crazy just because she feels like it! Y’all need to sit down for a moment. I say this as a radical feminist that supports the 4B movement: you’re projecting your own ideas onto George’s work. Not all the media we consume has to reflect our ideologies, but if you think that it has to, then this book isn’t the anti misogynistic masterpiece you wish it was.

Like, when it comes to F&B, I am firmly anti Targaryen and did not wish for any side to win. I wanted them all wiped out to be honest. But when it comes to HOTD, I’m TG basically out of spite at this point.

All in all, I just think that things are going to go downhill for us from this point on. They’ll just keep glorifying the Blacks until the very end.

[witheredoffherwitch]

Targaryens: Infamous End Inevitable.

This entire discourse on Jaehaera is so laughably absurd. I love my Green characters, but I couldn't care less what the show does with Jaehaera's arc. Team Black loves to remind everyone that Rhaenyra's lineage survived while Team Green's perished. That is true... BUT not only did her sons separate themselves from their mother's legacy to keep the Lords happy, but they did nothing to elevate her name in any way after their supposed 'win'. Their mother's 'usurper' was perceived as the legitimate ruler while she was branded a traitor. Rhaenyra's legacy was so badly tarnished that even after her lineage lived on, no Targaryen descendent carried her name, despite the House's tendency of reusing names.

For me, the Dance tells the story of how House Targaryen ruined itself. They put their most powerful assets (Dragons) all in at once... only to become extinct in just over a century, while the other noble houses had been ruling Westeros for millennia. It doesn't matter whose line survives - if this doesn't make sense to you, then you are not intelligent enough to engage with any form of media. I'm content with the way things ended because ultimately, no one is triumphant.

Even if Jaehaera lives, her line still loses since it was Viserys II's line that eventually took over. No matter who ends up reigning, HOUSE TARGARYEN WILL BE DEAD! The last survivor of the house (barring Jon Snow) will make sure its legacy would be one of infamy. It will linger in Westeros like the Mussolini's monument, forever infamous.

Even if the books attempt to alter Dany's storyline, it would be idiotic to expect a Targaryen restoration. To those who foolishly believe that the books will be rewritten and the Targaryens will once again sit on the Iron Throne, then I've got a bridge in Pyongyang I'm looking to unload.

[fatum679]

𝖂𝖊 𝖆𝖗𝖊 𝖙𝖍𝖊 𝖘𝖆𝖒𝖊 𝖇𝖑𝖔𝖔𝖉 𝖄𝖔𝖚 𝖝 𝕴

Aemond was not one of those people who had the courage to confess his love, but his words speak for themselves. He draws a clear line between himself x Helaena and with the rest of their family.

🕷💘💎

[potpourri-of-ecclecticism]

GUYSSSSSSSS!!!!!!

IF the leaks are to be believed then Aemond getting SCHOOLED by both his sisters in back-to-back episodes is… I’m literally seated. True Queen behaviour ya’ll. Helaena saying “will you burn me like you burned Aegon” just tops off the spectacle. Like people ever believed Helaena would be on a psycho king’s side.

This dialogue (“Aegon will be king… [and] you will die”) is so weighted because it actually shows that despite all his flaws, Helaena saw a King in Aegon somewhere. And that lines up perfectly with EVERYTHING he’s been right about so far on the show since his coronation. [side note - did he actually take Helaena’s counsel back then *wink*]

Go on Queen, tell this idiot how a true King rules. It’s too bad that Aemond’s never going to be that, because the Throne was never his - it was always Aegon’s. And Helaena has the foresight/vision to see that - and SAY that. I LOVE how Condal has rained all over the Helaemond parade with just two dialogues lmaooooo A long time coming.

[sunfyredefender77]

normalize blaming all your problems on daemon targaryen