#anti Sarutobi

[the-real-sasuke-uchiha]

I can't believe I actually mourned that genocidal shit. How deceived I was, living a life of lies and betrayal. I hope you are rotting in hell, bastard.

[mazzikns]

Hiruzen raising Naruto

[sannin-three]

[alysha-storm6]

The sheer audacity of this man never ceases to infuriate me. And then people are surprised when I literally call him the worst Hokage ever.

no because Hiruzen Sarutobi had the GALL. 

how could sarutobi look at sasuke in the eye knowing what happened to his clan and go about and pretend everything was okay? how could he look naruto in the eyes, after promising his parents he’d take care of him, only for naruto to be shunned by the entire village? when sasuke met sarutobi again after edo-tensei I’m surprised he was so calm… and then naruto, to minato, was like I respect sarutobi? 

and the fact that sasuke was named after sarutobi’s dad… 

[adhdnojutsu]

"Do you possess the Will of Fire, Itachi?"

I think it's more like the Will of Fire possessed him, but...

[vulpisnocturna]

You are the Hokage. You see this 5yr old orphan crying. Do you:

A) Give him proper housing, food, enough money to live comfortably and a proper caregiver

B) Teach him how to do his taxes properly (he always gets it wrong!!! so annoying!)

C) Give him 20£ a month and make him rely on the kindness of some random villager (it will be hard to find one who doesn’t hate his guts!). Alternatively, watch him eat spoiled food and 99p pot noodles

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[abattre]

It's funny that we see Konoha get absolutely wrecked like 2 times in the series and no other villages take advantage of that defensive weakness to start a 4th war. Kiri literally had a civil war and even that didn't blow up into an international conflict. Like, realistically, if the Uchiha coup actually happened Konoha would've been fine. The clan wasn't even trying to take over the village, they just wanted to put pressure on Konoha's leadership to stop persecuting them and maybe stop the segregation and surveillance. So like,,, other than some internal restructuring there wouldn't have been much damage done to the village as an entity and the populace would've been largely unaffected. If the Uchiha did decide to kill anyone, they'd probably just target the council members and the village would've been better off anyway because Danzo and his lackeys were doing some truly wack shit behind closed doors.

All that to say,,, the idea that Itachi ‘saved the village’ by agreeing to the genocide of his clan is so stupid. Like Danzo probably knew that he and the rest of the council would be the only ones in any actual trouble when the Uchiha finally got sick of their treatment in the village, and he was so scared shitless of the clan his only resolution was to eliminate them entirely to save his ass from the consequences of his own actions. The only people who were ever in any real danger from the Uchiha were the people in power who were directly perpetuating their oppression and subjugation. Plus, I mean if another village did attack Konoha while this was going on, the Uchiha were by far the strongest clan there anyway; people used to literally just run away from them so they wouldn't have to fight against the Sharingan like they would've defended the place fine it's unlikely another war would've broken out from that.

[mdr-reikas]

Hiruzen naming his grandchild Konohamaru is glossed over way too much. Like. Fucking, really? You're naming your ONLY grandchild after THE VILLAGE YOU LEAD. Thas crazy imagine going to your new job and Joe Bidens grandson is there and his name is AMERICA. WHAT.

[sad-stucky-shipper-107]

RE I THINK WE SHOULD RESURRUCT HIRUZEN TO KILL HIM AGAIN.

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HIRUZEN THE CHILD IS 5 AT MOST WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU. OH MY GOD. HE SHOULD NOT BE LIVING ALONE.

WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH THESE PEOPLE.

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Reincarnated fem naruto during introductions.

[silviastoll]

Okay, but militaristic dictatorships and child soldiers are besties, right?

Like let's be real, any successful militaristic dictatorship gets them young and then sends them off to war. Case and point, the systematic isolation and abuse of so-called "weapons" as seen in the majority of "chosen one" stories. Harry Potter and Naruto.

I'm going to talk about Naruto though because it's almost perfect how they took a nuke, put it in a child, starved the child of love and affection and then told him that if he was good and did what the government said was the right thing, he would be loved. I'm not sure if that was what Kishimoto was going for when he wrote Naruto's storyline, but its actually impressive how well he managed to capture the essence of how a weapon can be successfully programmed to behave a certain way.

Naruto was never given any support in the village and anyone who would have given it to him was blocked because he was a nuke and thus an investment and government property. By telling him the only way for him to be acknowledged and loved was to become Hokage they basically guaranteed his cooperation, can't be Hokage and thus loved if you don't become a ninja, and you can't be a ninja if you leave Konoha.

Does anyone think it's weird how Naruto had an entire other side of his heritage from his mother, an entire village for which he was named for by his mother (Naruto mean Whirlpool) that is never mentioned, never addressed? Despite it being Konoha's sister village that was somehow allowed to be toppled by a combined assault by Kiri and Kumo? How was it never mentioned in school, the chunin vest has Uzushio's symbol on its back! Simple, to make sure Konoha was all Naruto ever knew. To make sure their nuke was loyal and well trained and fully indoctrinated into the propaganda Konoha pushed. bc, personally? I think if Naruto knew he had connections, REAL CONNECTIONS to a fallen village of seals masters who might be related to his mom, he would have started asking some inconvenient questions. And you can't have your nuke asking questions when you point and aim him.

I'll tell you what, it worked, Naruto would do anything for just the sliver of a chance that the people of Konoha would love him, he took the abuse, fought their battles, won them wars all for them to move on like it was always his duty to them to win them wars. And it was, it was always his duty to win them wars, because he was nothing but a weapon to them the second Minato put that fox in him.

[the-real-sasuke-uchiha]

All hokages are scum. But those who enable genocides and neglect orphans are worse than scum.

[leportraitducadavre]

My interpretation of Itachi's character is fairly contrasting with yours. I pose my arguments against your analysis. I hope I would get a lead unto having an unbiased opinion.

Itachi's position in here between was a rock and a hard place. Having witnessed horrors of wars he chose to the stop war. It wasn't the best decision but even still he accomplished many things.

A new Forth Great Ninja war was prevented. Uchihas plan wasn't to reform the government it was to take control of them. Their desires were clearly reflected in their demands. While half of them was about freedom, the rest was only to control village. This, along with Obito's plan for revenge and war, will definitely start a war.

Madara, with the pact, was foiled for more than seven years long enough for the strong Shinobis like Naruto and Sasuke to grow up and defeat him.

Sasuke's life was saved. Itachi would go at all lengths to protect his brother. Afterall, its only obvious he would be over-protective of Sasuke since both loved each other a lot(as siblings).

The Uchiha's reputation were saved. Imagine what would have happened to the Uchihas after the war. The people were already suspicious of the Uchihas and now we will have never ending persecution and would be branded as traitors, doesn't matter if the coup won or lost. The coup wasn't about reforming anyway.

People in the village got to be safe too.

And despite all these he still regretted a lot enough that he wanted the person he adored the most to kill him. Also, no one here is trying to justify his action. A justification and a reason has a clear distinction. Just because there was a reason it doesn't make the acts were justified. He himself acknowledged that. The writer didn't try to justify nor did Itachi himself. People like, Hashirama and Naruto, appreciated the role he played and praised him as a Shinobi.(being seen as a villan while protecting the people isn't easy, btw). They weren't justifying or glorifying his actions in any instance.

He wasn't an absolute nationalist. He he was an idealist. His motivations most cases(especially while making big decisions)were to 'not beget war' and 'maintain peace'. Doesn't matter if Uchihas managed to control the village it still starts war, death, destruction and countless losses which is exactly what Itachi hated from when he was 4. He also wanted to reform the village by becoming a Hokage. He wanted to wiped out the entire ninja system since ninjas were the ones who were used as a weapon for the Diamoyo start constant wars. The Leaf was sort of obnoxious in the time of Tobirama and Hiruzen's regime. But even still, the Hokages were good and passionate and also the people were innocent.

A new Forth Great Ninja war was prevented. Uchihas plan wasn't to reform the government it was to take control of them. Their desires were clearly reflected in their demands. While half of them was about freedom, the rest was only to control village. This, along with Obito's plan for revenge and war, will definitely start a war.

How do you even know it was prevented? Shisui stating that hidden villages will take advantage of Konoha’s civil war to invade was just a fear that was actually constantly proven wrong throughout the series; when Suna invaded and Konoha was destroyed (forcing it to send their most powerful shinobi out of the village to collect money) no other village took advantage of the situation, not even Kumo or Iwa, two of the big five that were not struggling politically or militarily as Suna, Kiri and Konoha were. Kumogakure even tried to kidnap Hinata while in the middle of signing a peace treaty, yet they did nothing against the Hyüga clan nor the village during one of their most vulnerable state.

Furthermore, you mean to tell me that a civil war (I am using that notion generously because Konoha is a military state with a non-civilian population, specifically trained for combat) destabilizes the military and economic power of a city, yet the complete disappearance overnight of one of the village's founding and most powerful clans does nothing to its structure? Other villages wouldn’t see the absence of Sharingan-wielders as an enticing opportunity to strike? Do you mean to tell me that a village was left without police to control it overnight (and their job is considered super important by detractors), yet the city did not succumb to chaos?

Their desires were clearly reflected in their demands.

What were their demands? Enlighten me.

While half of them was about freedom, the rest was only to control village.

Where do you get this information from? There’s nothing of the sort stated in the manga.

This, along with Obito's plan for revenge and war, will definitely start a war.

Obito’s plan needed the annihilation of the Sharingan-wielders as he didn’t want anyone capable of obtaining the Mangekyou to jeopardize his plan to control the ten-tails, Itachi killing the Uchiha literally allowed Obito to start the war!! 

Madara, with the pact, was foiled for more than seven years long enough for the strong Shinobis like Naruto and Sasuke to grow up and defeat him.

… what? This doesn’t make any sense and has nothing to do with Itachi… you mean to tell me that Itachi killing his clan made Sasuke as powerful as he is? Because Sasuke has always been powerful and has always been Indra’s transmigrant, and as I’ve said, Obito wouldn’t have been able to initiate the war (or at least would’ve been incredibly difficult for him) with the Uchiha clan still alive!

Sasuke's life was saved. Itachi would go at all lengths to protect his brother. Afterall, its only obvious he would be over-protective of Sasuke since both loved each other a lot(as siblings).

An eight-year-old was tortured mentally by his brother through Tsukuyomi by watching his clan and parents get killed over and over again, was left to live alone in a compound destroyed by his brother’s actions, having to clean his parents’ own blood and fend for himself –but at least he’s alive… the circumstances and solitude in which he grew is abysmal, traumatic, negligent and inhumane, but we don’t care as much about children’s safety as we do children being just alive.

There were other children in that compound, children that knew nothing of and participated not in the coup to which Itachi didn’t extend the same kindness he did his brother.

The Uchiha's reputation were saved. Imagine what would have happened to the Uchihas after the war. The people were already suspicious of the Uchihas and now we will have never ending persecution and would be branded as traitors, doesn't matter if the coup won or lost. The coup wasn't about reforming anyway.

What “reputation”? The Uchiha were always constructed under a negative light within Tobirama’s system, you lot keep saying they were saved from being seen as detractors when there’s not a single panel that states they were planning to change the system as a whole (rather take down the current government, which is not the same).

Furthermore, to think that they cared about the rest of the population's mindset regarding them is so incredibly simplistic I have to laugh at it –they’re the strongest clan in the village, without Uchiha, there’d have been no village in the first place, and they were already aware of the unfavorable perspective in which they were regarded by others, nothing in itself would’ve changed.

The Uchiha being seen as loyal to the village helped no one but the current system as it is, as they’re seen as a government without opposition, it wasn’t about maintaining the Uchiha’s honor, but keeping the fragile credit of the structure and those in power -if Uchiha died in their own terms, then other clans will know about the clan’s discomfort with the current mindset, and those that feel uncomfortable with it might find a group that validates such sentiments:

Kakashi admits to being uncomfortable with the way he's viewed by the system, he even uses plural when referring to ninja ("we ninja") -meaning there's a communal uneasiness with the whole situation.

The fact that the government silenced detractors (Uchiha) by killing them will only deepen further the general shinobi population's discomfort, which is why is imperative to silence the truth.

[On another note, why do you keep using "honor" as an excuse to execute an entire compound of people? The entire clan was decimated and the whole "honor" of the family rested as another responsibility Sasuke had to endure all by himself thanks to "Itachi's love" -they were left with no honor as Sasuke was forced to restore it! Furthermore, they're all dead! What is "honor" gonna do for them? For the massacred innocents at least? They did nothing wrong and were killed regardless, their honorable nature wasn't even being questioned!]

People in the village got to be safe too.

Safe of what? When was it stated they were going to fight against those who weren’t in power? The problem is they rebelling against those they deem their oppressors but not the government refusing to renounce their power in order to keep the “population they hold so dear” safe? They are both willing to kill innocents (so I guess some people in the village weren’t safe, but in your book, they don’t matter as much), and use the rest of the military population to strike against Uchiha (which is also, never actually stated!). The idea of a “within war” was never confirmed as the Uchiha had no chance to strike, no one is to say they weren’t trying to take power through force yet quietly, no one is to know what was their actual plan as that was never brought to light!

The Uchiha are wrong for wanting to take the power but the government isn't wrong for wanting to keep it, the Uchiha are wrong for their methods to seek authority but not the government for defending the status quo. Uchiha having power would mean annihilation, somehow, despite them being against just their oppressors, not Konoha as a whole; while the government seeks to protect the village despite massacring an entire and most important portion of their militia and one of the founders' clans.

And despite all these he still regretted a lot enough that he wanted the person he adored the most to kill him. 

He regretted nothing, he wanted Sasuke to kill him in order to both give him an objective and to distract him from finding out Konoha’s involvement in the Uchiha Massacre, shouldering the entire responsibility of their demisse.

Also, no one here is trying to justify his action. 

But you are, you wrote point after point why he had to kill his clan.

A justification and a reason has a clear distinction.

What distinction? You need to expand on the notions you think are relevant to you own argument. 

Just because there was a reason it doesn't make the acts were justified. He himself acknowledged that. The writer didn't try to justify nor did Itachi himself. People like, Hashirama and Naruto, appreciated the role he played and praised him as a Shinobi.(being seen as a villan while protecting the people isn't easy, btw). They weren't justifying or glorifying his actions in any instance.

What are you even writing? I’m being honest with that question, claiming to have a reason to kill his clan is used as a justification for his actions! I can’t believe I have to explain that to you. He never said he had no justification (their coup was treated as such over and over, everyone took advantage of them wanting to coup in order to both order the massacre and carry it out!!).

How on earth can you write “People like Hashirama and Naruto appreciated the role he played and praised him as a shinobi but they never justified him”, so are they praising him or not? Them positively reinforcing Itachi and praising him for “his sacrifice” (you see, not only he is perceived as a villain, he is a villain, he killed an entire kin -again, innocents included, in order to maintain specific people in power) is justifying his actions under the notion of the “greater good for the village”. 

He wasn't an absolute nationalist.

He did everything for Konoha! He even claimed himself to be “Itachi of the Leaf!” What are you even talking about?

He he was an idealist. His motivations most cases(especially while making big decisions)were to 'not beget war' and 'maintain peace'. 

Yet his actions concluded in Obito being able to control the Ten Tails with almost no real opposition as the only other Sharingan-wielder was Sasuke.

Doesn't matter if Uchihas managed to control the village it still starts war, death, destruction and countless losses which is exactly what Itachi hated from when he was 4. 

How do you know? Do you have an entirely new manga written by Kishimoto about what would’ve happened had the Uchiha taken over the village? Itachi hated Uchiha since he was four because they brought “war, death and destruction” but not Konoha that actually provoked such wars, deaths, and destruction, what an intelligent boy! 

You have to be a troll because, man, “unbiased opinion” my ass. Also, did you just come to my blog with arguments coming from Itachi Shinden? The story not written by Kishimoto?

He also wanted to reform the village by becoming a Hokage. He wanted to wiped out the entire ninja system since ninjas were the ones who were used as a weapon for the Diamoyo start constant wars. 

Funny, under Hiruzen’s regime he would’ve never become Hokage, furthermore, when did he even hinted to want to become Hokage?? Never in the entire manga. Also, the Daimyo did little to nothing when it came to wars, those were all the Kage’s responsibilities! Dear Lord, did you at least read Team 10’s Arc? Asuma’s background literally explains how the Shugonin Jūnishi fought each other because six of them wanted the entire military power of the Land of Fire to be managed by the Daimyo alone while the rest, Asuma included, defended the Hokage’s existence. 

The Leaf was sort of obnoxious in the time of Tobirama and Hiruzen's regime. But even still, the Hokages were good and passionate and also the people were innocent.

Which people were innocent? The children and non-Sharingan wielders that knew nothing of the coup and were massacred regardless? How can you write “the Hokages were good” while they literally ordered the mass killing of people they swore to protect? How can you use “obnoxious” and “good” to describe the same two people?!

Gosh, the fact that you lot (Itachi stans) don’t comprehend that his involvement in the massacre of his own people alongside the protagonist’s endorsement of state-sanctioned genocide, makes the annihilation of an entire portion of a village a plausible option to handle internal disagreements is disastrous.

Committing genocide against the village’s own people sets a dangerous precedent where future governments can see and use such slaughter as a conceivable, even necessary, tool at their disposal whenever they feel threatened, making any clan vulnerable to the decisions of its government and guaranteeing the silence of possible detractors or even the censorship of constructive criticism of the political, military, economic and cultural system.

Jesus.

[sannin-three]

Pardon me, Kushina, but I need to overanalyze the body language and possible symbolism going on behind you

Tsunade and Jiraiya are both out in the sunlight, happy and having fun, while Orochimaru is cast entirely in shade and is the only one in the image who's frowning. Hiruzen is sitting half in the sun, half in shade, and is quite noticeably positioned so that he separates Orochimaru from the other teammates.

I know I'm overthinking it, but I can't help but feel like this visually represents their team dynamic from back in the day.

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Naruto Fanfiction | Life Without Kurama, Chapter 6

Hiruzen Sarutobi, A.K.A. "The Professor" is in the mix! The plot thickens...

Click the link to find out more.

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Rewriting Naruto part 1

We take out the whole alien god tree and reincarnation. Instead, the ten tails existed way back in prehistoric time and Obito (and by extension Madara) try to bring it back to destroy the world and peace among the people by any means necessary.

The Uzumaki massacre did happen but instead of killing off all uzumaki it shorten their numbers to like a few hundred, but they’re still around

Intern Kushina becomes Hokage like she dreamed and she took Minato’s last name Namikaze

Danzo set up a itachi before he tries his own coo against the leaf village to make himself look good in hopes of killing Hiruzen

Hiruzen sees through his old friend and call him a traitor

Danzo doesn’t get chance after chance he takes a few members of the anbu and makes his own organization (The Root) that plans on trying to take over the village

Intern orochimaru “works” with him giving us those child experiments 

The uchiha clan massacre didn’t happen. Itachi only killed the members in the coalition against the village and since his dad was one of them he had to kill him and his mom. Leave Sasuke to be cared for by his uncle and aunt.

Naruto doesn’t know he’s the Ninetails. When he was born and Obito attacked his dad used transporting Jitsu and left him in a safe place

the akatsuki believe the nine tails is dead and waiting for it to reform and the leaf village thinks the akatsuki has it