#andor thoughts

[giveamadeuschohisownmovie]

I don’t know if this counts as a hot take or not, but does anyone else feel that “Andor” is the geekiest of the four live-action Star Wars shows? I know that sounds strange since Andor is the most serious of the four and features the least cameos/easter eggs, but hear me out.

Mando, Boba, and Obi-Wan we’re definitely going for more of the nostalgia factor with the cameos and easter eggs. But Andor, because the show is so serious, feels like an actual exploration of the Star Wars universe. They actually took the time to explain the stuff that we would just see in the background, such as the mapping system, how civilians live on Coruscant, and the various factions of the Rebel Alliance. Also, the series managed to blend in aspects of the Prequel and the Original Trilogies in a way that feels natural. The show doesn’t call out stuff from either trilogy (“Hey look fans, it’s Mon Mothma! Clap that she’s here!”), they just treat the Star Wars universe as any other fictional universe.

I guess what I mean is that Mando, Boba, and Obi-Wan, at times, feel like they were written by an exec who wanted to cash in on people’s nostalgia for Star Wars, whereas Andor feels like it was written by a genuine fan who spent years developing the lore for the universe.

[paperjamdipper]

Watching Andor and seeing the gritty and brutal methods it took to build the rebellion has made me completely rethink the purpose of Luke Skywalker and his role as a hero. When we only had the OT, which obviously is very Skywalker-centered, it’s easy to think Luke is what brought everyone together carried them to victory. While this is partially true, thanks to Rebels, Rogue One, and Andor, we see all of the real work, people, sacrifice, and death it took to build the powerhouse in A New Hope to life. It wasn’t easy or pretty. Luke was just some farmboy who swooped in after all the real work was done and “saved the galaxy.” Some might take that as their interpretation, but as someone biased towards Luke and archetype of a hero in general, I’m inclined to think he’s more than that. All this time, in the darkness of the Empire, the rebellion held out hope that freedom and light would return. That’s why the original rebel symbol seen in Andor, the circle with a line through it, seems to have been taken from the symbol of the jedi during the clone wars. They knew somehow, somewhere, the light side of the force would survive just as they had and bring them the ultimate weapon against darkness in star wars. I’m not saying the rebellion was twiddling its thumbs waiting for a jedi to save them; that’s where the people went wrong during the clone wars. The rebellion built itself up with its own strength so that when its hero finally returned, it would be the last bit of gasoline needed to turn the fire into the blaze that would defeat the Emperor himself.

[jonkeli]

This picture in the Andor season 2 teaser video really caught my eye.

[folklorist-word-florist]

Why Write

Notes to self (but maybe for you, too)

"I always wanted to be lifted. I was always eager, always waiting to be inspired. I remember every time it happened, every time the dead lifted me... with their truth. And now I am dead. And I yearn to lift you. No because I want to be shine or even be remembered. It's because I want you to go on." ---- Maarva's Speech, Andor

How to Leave Home, For My Daughter Find a sacred square of earth. Lay down, so you have the dirt at your back. Close your eyes. Close everything. Do you see for yourself? You see for the dead, for the unborn. Do you listen for yourself? You listen for the dead, for the unborn. Your ancestors are in that dirt. All the living and all the dead are holding you up. Now stand. ...Now it's time to move, to entangle yourself everywhere with everyone. So the next time you lay down on the dirt, You will have so much more to tell them. ---- from the game Season: A Letter to the Future

[sydneyadmu]

i love that andor gives us more substance to understand jyn and cassian’s dynamic but some people really come up with the worst takes ever omfg 💀 no, cassian didn’t see bix in jyn (they are completely different characters) and NO he wasn’t projecting kerri on her (yes I’ve read this shit). the only person he saw in jyn was HIMSELF let’s be serious…

[jvliaxox]

i love how at the start of the year only like 5 people were genuinely excited for the andor series and (it felt like) everyone else was just saying “oh i’m not watching the andor series like it’s just about some guy who appeared in one movie as opposed to the kenobi series”

and then the andor series came out and i’m yet to see one person (apart from that guy who complained abt bricks and screws) that didn’t enjoy the andor series.

like let’s be fr, they got a guy who appeared in one movie plus brand new characters and managed to make a show that had better visuals, story, people, and message than the obi-wan kenobi series, a show which had way more prior hype and was about a legacy character (who appeared in two trilogies and seven seasons of the clone wars, whose every line is made into a meme). and the fact that the show is on the same level as mando without all the cameos and force stuff really says a lot about the quality of the show.

[ajdionysus]

I keep thinking about the sentiment, “Tell him ‘I love him more than anything he could ever do wrong.’”

This one sentence gets to the basest human desire. I would that everyone could feel that kind of love.

I would that more people could GIVE that kind of love.

#Lgbtqpeopleknow #savingwhatwelove #notfightingwhatwehate #brassoisahumanhug

[wedreamedofstars]

Andor made a droid with attachment anxiety and then made all the characters care for it and make sure it was okay and I’m not alright about it tbh

[idkbishsss]

I’m rewatching Andor, and I think that the message is to try and to listen.

Nemik says to try in his manifesto, along with everything else. I think a lot of what he say can applies to the rebels and what they do in Andor. But try and listen can be applied to everything.

Even for Dedra. The empire thinks so highly of themselves that don’t try or listen. But Dedra is, she’s trying to figure it out. Same with Syril, he’s trying to figure everything out.

In the prison? There is one way out. But to get out you have to try. Trying to get out is the one way out. Since nobody is listening, it’s easier to find that way out then when they start to listen.

People are constantly trying to get rid of the empire in Andor. Constantly singling and listening. And now the empire is starting to do the same.

That’s just how I see it.

[yuristarwars]

I honestly wanna learn more about Kleya. Season 2 of Andor is a perfect place to give her some backstory and character development because she’s not like Luthen where the beauty is in her mystery, I want to know her fears and motivations and background because I think it would make her a very compelling Rebel character. Also because I think women should be given more character autonomy in this show. Don’t get me wrong, this is SO much better than other shows that treat their female characters like garbage, but I feel like Kleya should not be just “Luthen’s Sidekick”

[serpent-of-hope]

I'm still thinking about Andor (fantastic show), and specifically about the cruelty and cynicism of Luthen's efforts and his willingness to sacrifice other's lives and livelihoods as fodder for horror and spectacle, as his own hands cup the Empire's to squeeze the chokehold on the populace ever tighter.

And it got me thinking about Eve Sedgwick's brilliant essay on Paranoid Reading and Reparative Reading, specifically this quote: "Only the exclusiveness of paranoia's faith in demystifying exposure: only its cruel and contemptuous assumption that the one thing lacking for global revolution, explosion of gender roles, or whatever, is people's (that is, other people's) having the painful effects of their oppression, poverty, or deludedness sufficiently exacerbated to make the pain conscious (as if otherwise it wouldn't have been) and intolerable (as if intolerable situations were famous for generating excellent solutions)."

We live in a world saturated by violence. Each new exposure of oppression, each new headline of structural and sensational violence has, in many ways, ceased to affect change. But it is that self same paranoia, that belief that if only everyone would listen to you as you draw back the curtain - then truth would be known and set to rights, that drives Luthen through much of Andor. And it's deeply sad to watch.

The people of Ferrix, of Narkina 5, of the Empire, are largely not ignorant of their own oppression and suffering. What they lack are solutions, direction, a plan for what to do about it. That's why Maarva's speech from the grave is so immediately answered. And that's what makes Cassian so thoroughly Luthen's foil- the directive to "Climb."

[paperjamdipper]

just thinking how literally days after rogue squadron dies on Scarif, Luke blows up the death star. In a few days the weapon that almost forced the rebellion back into hiding was destroyed because of the actions of a hundred people with courage and a belief in the cause. It took hours and seven people on aldhani to strike a deep blow to the ISB. One floor on Narkina 5 to set the entire building free. Just like Nemik said, tyranny is incredibly fragile. It only takes one match to light a wildfire.

[repressedromantic]

Andor episode 10 is a f***ing ✨masterpiece✨

[skywalkersolos-blog]

Okay. The storyline in Andor about Kenari. I keep on seeing that many people think it was dropped without any solution or real answer about what happened. So hopefully it will be answered in second 2 of Andor.

But what do we know about the planet Kenari?

It's the homeworld of Cassian (Kassa) Andor and his sister Kerri who lives with other orphaned children's within the forest. Apparently they ended up living this way on the planet due to plunderers that tried to use mining on the planet.

According to the star wars wiki Kenari is rich in valuable Mineral deposits. And due to the planet Mid Rim this left the planet without protection to anyone that could end up wanting the Minerals.

The thing about Kenari which is important to keep in mind is that Cassian (Kassa) doesn't understand the basic language within the star world world when he first met Maarva and Clem (which is surprising) because almost every planet we've been to has always speaks or understand the basic language.

What happened to the parnets?

They were most likely enslaved and forced to work in the mines to get the Mineral. Or they tried to fight against the invaders and failed. But I'm aiming more to the slave idea because it would make since as to who the children are still alive without any adults.

Plus, no one on the planet knows Basic Language which would make it impossible for commutation and keep the people to Kenari easier to control.

Remember how Cassian (Kassa) reacted as a child when seeing B2EMO it would seem he has never seen a droid before, but their is mining material on the planet. But what if he has seen a droid before and that's why he seems nervous of it because the people used droids to control the Kenari people to work.

Even though Clem and Maarva end up taking Cassian with them later on, we never get to see his full reaction within the show to being taken. (So this slave theory is possible to think about)

At some point the mining accident happened. The kids end up going to live in the forest. But according to people that planet has toxic air. But it's never stated if the toxic air was their after the mines or after the ship landed and let out the yellow gas into the air because I have a feeling that Cassian actually knows the truth to this part.

Why would the Empire cover this planet up?

Remember how I wrote that the planet has rich in valuable Mineral. That's because these Minerals are used according to Leia for stormtrooper armor. Any planet rich in Minerals can be used for the trooper armor.

Plus, due to Cassian being nine when the show Andors flashback starts it's close to the Clone Wars (24 BBY). It was either a frame job by the separatists to make their factions and other planets think the Republic did this to the planet.

But their is a problem with this. Because the Clone army wasn't know to anyone in 24 BBY. But that wouldn't mean that Separatist would still have some information thanks to Dooku knowing most of Palpatine's plan.

But no one can be sure.

But if the Empire is still saying the planet has toxic air in the current timeline because they need to the Minerals to create the trooper armor.

But the main question is; Did Cassian ever return to his home planet after being taken by Clem and Maarva?

I feel like he would've gone back and see if what Maarva was saying was true. But their are rumors of Kenari people being in the galaxy if Cassian is chasing down rumors.

So clearly some did leave, or they were enslaved and taken off world. Or they were saved and places into loving homes.

Either way I guess Cassian did return and found something. He's either choosing to forget and block it out from what he saw which is why Maarva tells him that his sister is dead. It wouldn't be the first time that a character in any show chose to block out the memories of finding a loved one dead.

Or he found signs that his sister was taken off world.

Why was Maarva asking Cassian who he told about his home planet?

It's the oddest scene in Andor. Maarva doesn't know how the Empire found out Cassian was from Kenari. It doesn't seem like a thing he would've told anyone expect for Bix, who seems to be his closest friend.

But then she demanded if Cassian told his women. In other worlds he's ben sleeping around, but again, I don't see why it would matter because I highly doubted he would tell anyone about his home planet on a one night stand.

Unless Cassian has a brand or a mark which we aren't shown within the show on his skin that a woman that he is sleeping with would ask about.

[lemonlimeturtle]

I'd like to see more culture in Star Wars. I feel like we need a show post Empire where worlds are finally starting to celebrate the way they did before the Empire. I want them to maybe show us that rebellion doesn't just have to be a war, but also the insistence of having community despite everything preventing you from doing so. I think that is why Marva's funeral was so important. It was just people not soldiers, or pilots, or Jedi, just a community mourning the loss of an elder, and angry that she, so many others, and their traditions were disrespected by an institution that wishes to separate them from their identities.

[thecleverqueer]

Cassian in Rogue One: Do you think that anybody’s listening?

Jyn Erso: I do. Someone’s out there.

This movie hit when I watched it the first time. It hit hard. But, now that I’ve watched Andor, shit hits even harder. Damn. Tony Gilroy is a genius.

Ugh…. Someone get me a Kleenex….