#and my god!!!!!!!! it's so much nicer!!!!!

[maspers]

Oh! You're asking about Outer Darkness. Let's see if I can help out. Disclaimer tho I'm just a random guy on the internet so be aware that my personal understanding of my faith could be coloring my explanation somewhat, despite my efforts not to.

First: yes, as the existence of such a place implies, we do believe in a possibility for eternal punishment. If we're talking about permanent hell, this is the place. The reason tons of LDS folks like to act like it doesn't is because 1) it sounds nicer and unfortunately people care too much about their reputations and 2) the chances of going to Outer Darkness is like. ASTRONOMICALLY small.

There's an old joke that if you ask a Mormon what happens after you die, they'll draw you a map (as opposed to a Catholic who will tell you to ask your priest and a Protestant who will tell you to ask your Bible, iirc how the joke goes). And honestly, it's true. LDS theology has its afterlife occur in multiple stages. The Spirit World is when you go where you die. But EVENTUALLY Jesus is gonna show up again (probably at the end of the apocalypse because dramatic timing) and EVERYONE is gonna get resurrected. And while the resurrecting is going on there's like a thousand years of awesomeness and getting some last-minute ordinance work done. Shenanigans ensue, everyone teams up to beat up Satan one last time (long story) and THEN and only then do we get to the Final Judgement, when it's FINALLY decided where people are going to be for eternity.

At every point BEFORE the final judgement, everything is ultimately temporary and can be forgiven or whatever because Jesus is awesome. Immortality is a guarantee for literally everyone, and even the people who DONT repent and become good people will still get a spot in a Kingdom of Glory, which even the lowest is referred to as better than anything humanity can comprehend (LDS folk don't do what they do because they want to get into Heaven, they do what they do because they want ALL THE PERKS). Getting into a Kingdom of Glory is essentially the DEFAULT.

But, at the final judgement, it IS possible for someone to do something that can never be forgiven. If you stand at the final judgement, with a perfect knowledge of EVERYTHING (because like, it's the final judgement, your entire past and the past of the UNIVERSE is laid out in front of you, you have complete understanding of what the universe is, how it works, and God's role in all of it) and then essentially give God the middle finger and say "screw you God, I hate you and deny you and everything you stand for"... He still won't send you to Outer Darkness. You have to do that to Him, AND Jesus, AND the Holy Ghost (LDS folk believe they're separate people, not a long story but not worth going into here) and basically also give literally every thing that's good the middle finger as well in the process, because ultimately everything good in the world comes back to those three. Then, and ONLY then, will you be declared a Son of Perdition (though really it should be "Child of Perdition" now, the term originates from scriptural text, obviously people who aren't male could still in theory become a Son of Perdition) and you'll go to Outer Darkness to chill with Satan and be depressed for eternity. I cannot emphasize enough that the people who go to Outer Darkness will go there of their own free will and choice, with a perfect understanding of the decision they are making. Despite what some people might tell you (and what some very stupid LDS folk might believe) Mormonism is heavily built on the concept of free will, and getting sent to Outer Darkness is no exception. You only go there if you WANT to.

And honestly, that's a REALLY stupid thing to do? The amount of people who will end up as Sons of Perdition is INSANELY small, especially compared to the amount of humans that have lived and will live. In all of scripture we only know of to meet the criteria is Cain, and he was only able to meet the criteria because of the unique circumstances at the start of Genesis, it's pretty much impossible for ANYONE to qualify during mortality, or at any other point before Judgement. Cain just is Like That I guess. (Incidentally Cain will explicitly RULE the place, because Satan is a loser and doesn't have a body so he can't be in charge). Some people claim Judas Iscariot also qualifies but that's not backed up by any scriptural or prophetic text, and frankly that idea doesn't make much sense to me.

The kicker is in theory, Outer Darkness technically isn't permanent either. If a Son of Perdition were to recant their ultimate middle finger to God and everything else, they would in theory be allowed to leave. The only reason it IS permanent is because at that point the idea of spitefully rejecting the glory of God is so engrained in their being that they will never repent. It's become their entire nature. (I'll admit this part isn't stated explicitly in scripture anywhere, for obvious reasons Outer Darkness isn't talked about much in the text, but it can be reasonably extrapolated from what we know about the nature of God and mankind based ON the text).

So TLDR: Outer Darkness is a thing in LDS theology, and so is Eternal Punishment, but the only people who go there LITERALLY ask for it. You're almost certainly not going there. Don't worry about it.

As for how this affects the LDS perception of Hell... like every religion, YMMV. Different members view things differently. Some people mistakenly believe that if you're a member of the Church and then leave or otherwise start being a bad person, you'll go to Outer Darkness. This explicitly isn't the case. But Outer Darkness as we understand it is the part of our theology that most closely resembles the traditional Christian idea of hell (though with less fire and brimstone and more just eternal self-loathing and anger), so if a Latter-Day Saint is referring to Hell as a specific place, then they're probably referring to here.

However, when an LDS person mentions Hell, they could ALSO be referring to:

Spirit Prison, where the people who didn't do All The Right Things in life go when they die. Not as bad as it sounds. Like yeah there's suffering but as we understand it it's probably like the "You feel your sins crawling up your back" thing from Undertale where you're just hating yourself because of your guilt. Regardless of if you stay here or end up transferring to Spirit Paradise, you still probably won't go to Outer Darkness. This takes place before the Judgement (long before) but since it's IMMEDIATELY after mortality it sometimes gets conflated with Hell as "bad place you go when you die"

Spiritual Death, aka what Hell as a concept MOST likely is being referred to by LDS. Literally just referring to a spiritual separation from god. Physical Death is when your body dies (oof) and Spiritual Death is when you metaphorically die by not being Christlike, and can really happen at any time. Jesus, being the awesome person He is, provides salvation from BOTH kinds of death (He breaks the "chains of death and hell") so like. Don't even worry about it. Incidentally, since literally everyone is experiencing some level of Spiritual death right now because we're designed to be flawed during mortality, we're technically all in hell right now! Yayyyyyyyyy. Again, don't worry, this is part of the process, part of the point of mortality is to fail and get back up.

So Second TLDR: Outer Darkness is generally known and understood by LDS communities, but like. We don't worry about it too much. Usually when an LDS folk talks about hell in a religious sense they're talking about the concept of (ideally temporary) Spiritual Death.

"Maspers are you going to cite your sources" No, this is tumblr and I'm lazy. the other LDS folks can back me up and correct me if I'm wrong. Peer review ftw.

seeing people discussing the concept of hell and how cruel the idea of eternal punishment is like, wow! i know this belief system you would love if not for your knee-jerk reaction against its name

[rrat-king]

Some combination of Mordred Manor residents and number 20 for the fic prompt game perhaps?

I hope you are having a nice day/night/time

thank you my love i hop you are also having a wonderful day/night time!!!!

20. “It’s 8:30, I have a hangover and you’re annoying me.”

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There were seldom moments that Aelwyn got to herself, so in the reletive quiet of the midmorning in Mordred, she basked in the odd time alone.

Well, she supposed "alone" was a relative term as she pushed one of the cats aside with her ankle, careful not to step on his paws as he seemed on a mission to tangle himself between her legs and cane.

The cats didn't count. If they did, Adaine wouldn't have worried about her being alone in her apartment, but then again that might have had something to do with the state of said apartment. Who needs a security deposit back when the whole complex goes up in flames?

If she flinched as the kettle whistled on the stove, that was between her and the cats. Her head pulsed a steady, irritating beat, yelling her to drink water, but tea would have to suffice. Even her own poor choices the night before could not perseuade her to drink from the tap and she knew that the filtered water in the fridge was empty. Not that she was going to be the one to refill it.

Peace, in the form of tea and Dexter, her particularly gnarly looking tabby, curling up on her feet, was rudely interrupted as footsteps, clomping and clumsy, rang out as someone came downstairs.

Sadly, Aelwyn knew who.

Kristen Applebees in all her strange, disfuntional glory managed to come into the kitchen with enough noise to rival the cacophony that usually accompanied the bad kids in totality. Aelwyn wondered if their numbers were just covering up for the unfortunate fact that thier cleric seemed louder than most gods.

Her cats, as they usually did whenever Kristen was around, fled. Aelwyn only had a moment to mourn the loss of her foot warmer before her eyes landed on Kristen, swallowing down the barbs at the state of her.

Adaine said she could afford to be a little bit nicer to Kristen. Aelwyn thought maybe Kristen could afford to give her less ammo. As it was, she was too tired to come up with anything too scathing, instead just sipping at her tea and raising an unimpressed eyebrow.

For what it was worth, Kristen seemed shaken enough by the lack of comment that she considered it a success, though that shakyness did not deter her from coming right up to Aelwyn, only shifting slightly to dig through the fridge.

"Shouldn't you be at work?" Kristen asked, head deep in the refridgerator.

"Shouldn't you be at school?"

Kristen didn't say anything, instead huffing as she discovered what Aelwyn had to assume was the empty water pitcher. She pulled it out, setting it next to the sink but not bothering to fill it. At least Aelwyn had someone else to blame then.

Her head was still pounding and even leaning against the counter, Aelwyn could feel her knees begining to ache. She half wanted another cup of tea, but she was only a few sips into her first cup and didn't care to be in the company of her sister's strange friend longer than necessary.

She was thinking of whether she could get away with just taking the kettle whole cloth when she realized she was being watched.

Kristen had turned at somepoint, looking at her more carefully than Aelwyn could deal with. "What's your deal?" she asked, far too much drippy empathy in her voice. The house was full of saps who didn't know how to mind their own buisness.

"It's 8:30, I have a hangover and you're annoying me," she told her bluntly, silently hoping she could intimidate her way out of having to deal with this mini Jawbone.

The barb seemed to pass her by, Kristen instead smiling, if just only a quirk a the side of her mouth.

It took Aelwyn a moment to realize what was happening, only recognizing the fact that she was being healed as purple twilight seemed to glimmer in the air around her, the ache in her head and knees cooling under pine-scented balm.

Maybe she was expecting a thank you, or some sappy talk of family and taking care of each other, but Aelwyn, despite the kind if invasive gesture, was not one for big sappy speeches. The most annoying part of it was that Kristen didn't even seem to mind, instead turning around to to grab a mug off of the drying rack and fill it with tap water.

It took her watching Kristen put the mug in the microwave to realize what she was doing, Aelwyn huffing out a sigh as she pressed the cancel button. Kristen looked like she was going to say something, but was quieted as Aelwyn shot her a look.

She didn't care about being healed, or sappy family bullshit, but she couldn't watch someone make microwave tea. It was sacralige.

Instead, she pulled out clean cup from the cupboard, one she was half certain once belonged to Tracker but was certain she had seen Kristen use before. She poured the rest of the kettle into the cup, setting it infront of Kristen and walking away.

It was only once she had made her way into the livingroom that she heard a too loud "thank you" called after her.

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this uh. this got away from me. have some kristen+aelwyn aka one of my secret fav duo's to write :))

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[queenerdloser]

i feel like you learn so much about yourself as an adult when you live alone and if there's one thing i ironclad know about myself is that i fucking hate overhead lights so much.

[geigergearz]

oh bumble you make me miserable . i love you . please kill everyone .

also ig turtletail is here too. go . go be yuri with bumble now .

[cozylittleartblog]

wheatley and queen are restocked! + i have b grades again <3

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[hoaxghost]

ive been so sick past week but seeing the new disney trailer for Wish awoke something petty inside of me. So petty I went bout redesigning the protagonists look cause I’m sorry but her outfit...? Kinda bland. Wanted to try adding lil bit more ‘oomph’ to the design.

[cinematicnomad]

finally moved up to a queen & bought a v pretty bed frame ☺️

[animentality]

you don't know love until you write a fanfic for a rare pair and all 10 of its biggest fans are praising you like the second coming of Christ.

[lemm-moxx]

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[b4kuch1n]

and the storm he was driving/washed it away/in the eye there was a silence

[mallowbees]

i have found the watercolor bleed brush in firealpaca it's so over for you all+

[feroluce]

So I went to the wiki page for the henghill Bullet & Brain mission of 2.2 looking for some dialogue I had missed and

a) I found something incredibly tasty that slotted into some other thoughts I'd been having, more on that on another day, and

b) I saw this super fun little trivia at the bottom, which!

I knew Penacony characters like Boothill took a lot of inspirations from old movies, but I didn't realize it was even in his and Dan Heng's relationship, that's so cool!!

It fits them very well, it's such a fun reference. "Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid" was an old buddy Western film (from 1969- nice) about a pair of outlaws. Butch Cassidy was the leader of a gang, and described as clever, affable, and talkative. Meanwhile, his closest companion, the Sundance Kid, was known as a man of few words.

Cassidy's original birth name was much more plain, but similar to Boothill, he took on a new moniker when he became an outlaw. "Cassidy" had been the last name of his beloved mentor, who taught him how to shoot and ride. And Sundance Kid was known as he was because Sundance was the name of his hometown, and it was the only place that had ever managed to catch and jail him, back when he'd been younger (also similar to Dan Heng, but ouch).

These two stick together like glue throughout the length of the film- through Cassidy's leadership of the gang being challenged, through a train robbery gone wrong, through being pursued by mercenaries, and even through fleeing to Bolivia and trying to start over together.

I don't want to say too much more, since the mission title is referencing one specific movie that I've never seen. I kinda wanna watch it now, though, just to see the inspiration that went into Boothill and Dan Heng and how they get along. I just think it's really sweet that these two were literally made to be the best of bros, how lovely is that. 💕

[aq2003]

it IS weird that the general consensus on twelve is that peter capaldi is an excellent actor but his episodes are bad (esp in comparison to the general consensus on series 5 being that it's some of the best the show gets) bc i am overall really enjoying series 8, a lot more than the last 3

[moeblob]

Erin, to her crush: You're a dick

Mason, the crush: I won't argue! But to clarify -

[outlying-hyppocrate]

i have officially returned. ask me anything.

[racingliners]

No one ever says how much ironing is involved in sewing and I think we need to do something about it