#and liam is also an abuser

[didhewinkback]

think some people also just want a hit tweet & to make their fav look cool bc “they always hated this person” when it’s like ummm no in 2013 they were just rowdy teenage boys who did absolutely anything on stage lmfao

exactly !!!!! people love to rewrite history esp in fandoms and esp on any social media platform for likes its so wild. like of all years to claim these boys hated each other and wanted each other dead 2013 is not the year.

[peoplesprincessgeorge]

How is rehabilitation ever going to work if y'all really think people are evil deep down and do evil shit cause it's their nature. Liam is a real person with a complicated life and feelings. Yes, he has done terrible shit, but he's had a terrible time, he has fans and family who care for him, all these things are true at the same time. What happened to his victim is tragic, but it is also tragic that his son will wake up without a dad tomorrow, and that he never got the chance to make up for the bad shit he's done.

We must be able to speak up against abuse without this black and white thinking.

[sluttyten]

yall what the fuck 😭😭

It’s one thing after another this week

I’ve been a one direction fan for years, loved most of their solo work, and although I didn’t like Liam anymore and didn’t stand for any of the shit that had been coming out about him, I still can’t believe this

[otamotone-dnp]

I’ve seen some people call others online “parasocial” for being sad about/grieving liam payne’s death. and I’m just thinking…there’s nothing inherently wrong with being parasocial. there’s nothing inherently wrong about caring about people you haven’t met. there’s nothing morally or ethically wrong with feeling connected to a celebrity. in fact, I think it shows how much we as humans are capable of connection and empathy, and how we as a species are meant to be social and to love each other, that people feel this connected and sad over someone they didn’t know personally. it’s never wrong to care about people. people using the “parasocial” thing to shame others for their feelings regarding a tragic and shocking death are inconsiderate

[statementlou]

Maya went on The Internet Is Dead podcast to be interviewed about her relationship with Liam and it's interesting; I recommend it for people who were curious about untangling the details in her book from real life (they talk about this in a number of different places with some detail), people who think she's making everything up, and anyone else sending hostile asks about her- we know she is following the fandom talk and responding to it but I have to say it's very satisfying to listen to her rattle through the exact arguments anons on here are sending around and answer every one of them.

some detail below the cut:

The experience was kind of grating at times; maybe it's just me but I never find it enjoyable to listen to people outside of fandom or casual 1D fans talk about us, and I cringe and bristle literally every time someone says "these people" or "they think", plus the hosts are not super useful; they refer to her tiktoks and book repeatedly without actually giving context for the discussion, like I could do with the occasional "in the book you say…" rather than just chatting about it and leaving us to figure out what they are talking about (they don't even say the name of the book), but whatever. There's interesting stuff in there so it was worth it for me and if you prefer you can just get my highlights, here ya go-

-Her making the point that the media training all of the 1D guys have done from such a young age not only impacts how they talk to the press but also how they talk to people in their lives, the tools it gives them for communicating with (and in this case, manipulating) people was fascinating to me, I hadn't thought about that but I will be in the future with regard to all of them, it's just very interesting to have in mind

-she says she had the book read by lawyers before publishing because it was about someone real and real events, and provided proof for things they asked about

-she points out that she has nothing to gain from making this up, and that as someone who works in a law office and is planning to go to legal school, that the fact that bringing false accusations against someone is illegal would be a huge deterrent to lying

-she says that one of the reasons she initially soft pedaled in terms of outright saying that the book was about Liam was that podcasts and such she went on didn't want her to say it, didn't want the liability, and that when she did say it that part would not get printed or would be edited out (hey speaking of this what are all these interviews she did about the book why am I just now hearing about it... when you guys see stuff like this let me know! I am interested and will maybe recap for you even!)

-she mentions Liam's silence on the whole thing more than once; "if someone wrote that about me and it wasn't true I would not just say nothing!"

-she says that her and Liam went to see After not knowing it was a 1D fanfic and then, after finding that out, he joked that she should write a book about them, and that it was where the seed of the idea came from

[m4ndysk4nkovich]

the only main character on shameless who deserves to be universally hated is frank

[joequinnn]

yeah i’m actually in shock over liam payne dying like i can’t believe this is real

[zot3-flopped]

How do you know maya called his team and they put him in a rehab place?

I've read Maya's book, Looking Forward, and she talks about it there. I suggest you do the same as you're clearly still a stan of that appalling man.

Here's an extract from the book that might change your mind:

[bravetemptation]

There are far too many people in this world, especially on social media, who see everything in black and white. Any action someone takes in any given situation is put into the “good” and “bad” categories. The lack of nuance in every conversation I see sends me right into the absolute all consuming rage that has peppered my emotional state this past week.

Not a single person in this world is perfect. Those who try to act like a mistake or two ruins you for life, that you can’t learn from them and make up for them, have probably made more mistakes than most, and for some reason want to exact some moral superiority over others by pretending they’re perfect. If someone has been a good and kind person for most of their life and they slip up, or they spend time with the wrong people, or they struggle with a disease that can alter their perception of reality and cause them to do things completely out of their nature, it’s like every kind thing they’ve ever done is automatically canceled out by that one thing.

Life doesn’t work like that.

You would never ever say that someone who has only done bad things their entire life and suddenly has one moment of clarity, one second where they make the right choice instead of the wrong, is absolved of all the poor choices they made. So why would it be any different the other way around?

The thing is that you should WANT people to have the opportunity to correct the wrong they’ve done and the harm they’ve caused. You should WANT them to educate themselves, get clean, or whatever they need to do to get to a better place than they were. You should WANT THAT. Instead, you take more pleasure in tearing someone down at their most vulnerable moment, and all that does is result in more people believing that they don’t have any other choice but to keep being the bad person everyone says they are.

If they say it enough, it must be true, right?

There is a fine line between holding someone accountable for bad choices they’ve made and bullying and defaming them, and a majority of things said under the guise of “holding them accountable” cross that line.

I hope this whole situation has given people pause. I hope that people learn to be more conscious about the way they speak about others in online spaces. I hope that more energy is directed to getting people help instead of waiting for the next “gotcha” moment to continue their vitriol. I hope people learn that seeing someone grow and change and make amends is far superior to the momentary thrill they get by saying some nasty shit online.

[whisperedlouis]

I just want to say abuse is also complicated.

[tmblrkid]

i think its okay for people to be upset when people who were important to their childhood die. like, its not impossible for people to be upset about someone dying and to be upset that said person was also a bad individual. people are multifaceted and i think social media has warped the way a lot of you treat grief and those around you as a whole.

[rainingincale]

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[charlestrask]

i ALSO think a lot about how young liam was at the start of oasis and at the start of their insane fame. and of course this is said about all young stars and its true every time but just how inhumane tabloid press are and how in both of paolo hewitts books he mentions to quite a worrying frequency liam being semi-suicidal and depressed because of his fame. and also how reporters would rile him up and often physically engage him first so they could then frame him as being violent and mindless.

[itsfreeandthecopscantstopyou]

I was just getting back into one direction literally binged old videos last night. Speechless.

[endlessfuckup]

LIAM PAYNE FUCKING DIED WTF

[faithinlouisfuture]

i honestly don’t understand why Niall is not getting more flack for that selfie backstage?

there’s a host of reasons actually

from his solo fans; the age old ‘my fav can do no wrong and has no agency and was forced into this’ excuse

from directioners with quarter of a brain cell who can recognize that liam is a walking red flag; they’re letting it go because the only person they ever want to hold accountable for anything (even things that have nothing to do with him) is louis, all the rest of them get a free pass

from harries & zquads; because they can’t make this about louis, even though so many of them have tried their hardest do (they miss him so much 🥹)

and listen i’m no Niall fan but the other day i saw someone’s tweet that was quite accurate, they had said something to the effect of; liam payne seems like the sort of dangerous and unhinged person who everyone around him has to handle in a certain way because if you don’t then he’ll crack and air all your dirty laundry online since he’s hit rock bottom & has nothing left to lose … which is something i agree with, i’m sure that Niall wasn’t pleased having to take that selfie and being dragged into this shit show