#ancient greeks were gay

[queerclarkkent]

remember that time that a centaur intentionally misgendered Caeneus so he casually stabbed that centaur with a sword?

good times, good times

[verysadlesbian]

People judging Cait and Vi for going at it in a dirty cell where Vi's sister was previously imprisoned and when they're about to go to war, but like... they're about to go to war!! I understand their thought process, like they could literally die! At least they would have died knowing that part of each other.

[sarafangirlart]

Pirithous watching ppl ship Theseus with Astyanax:

[newspecies]

"the vast majority of legal persecution against early queers was focused on men" ARE YOU INSANE

[brainrotcharacters]

It could be that I'm just going off of the Honda hatefuck, but Odysseus stabbing Poseidon? Again and again? Hey now

[prolibytherium]

Absolutely death gripped clenched trying not to comment on reductive posts on ancient greek homosexual relationships

[4uru]

You leave me alone for 3 days with complete freedom and independence and i will jump back into my greek mythology phase.

Ok no srsly during quarentine and the height of my art journey where i used to draw every waking moment, my muse was Patroclus . (Bc i am a greek-roman mythology nerd since the tender age of THREE). I LITERALLY COULD NOT STOP DRAWING THIS SON OF A BITCH.

What im trying to say is, new art is about to drop sometimes tonight.

[madebypointlesswords]

Rating all the Latin authors I've read in the past two years in honor of my oral Latin exam tomorrow

Caesar (De Bello Gallico)

This is a weird one because while his prose isn't extremely difficult, it was also the first unedited work I read, so for lil 15-year-old me, this was very difficult. But I learned a lot from Caesar (especially that he made it an art to making his sentences as long as possible. We read an entire 200 words, and IT WAS JUST ONE SENTENCE.), and the sense of nostalgia while rereading it is very pleasant, so I will give you a solid 6/10

Pliny the Younger (Epistulae)

Mixed feelings about this one again. This could also be just because I despise prose. I really do not like it at all. Pliny's epistulae were pretty okay. I liked them a little better than Caesar's because of their variety (for those that don't know, epistulae means letters). His letter about the Vesuvius was a lot of fun to translate, even with all the hyperbata, but his letters about or to his third wife were very uncomfortable. Like, I get things were different back then. BUT YOU WERE 45, PLINY. 45. SHE WAS WHAT? 14? 15 TOPS? MY GOD. THAT'S A BIGGER AGE DIFFERENCE THAN I HAVE WITH MY FATHER.

7/10

Ovid (Metamorphoses)

Ovid is life Ovid is love. He was the one who introduced me to Latin poetry, and I will always love him for it. He was an icon and a legend. The poems of his that we read (Daedalus & Icarus, Latona and the Lycian peasants, Diana and Actaeon) were all bangers, and I love them all to death. I never wanted to go back to reading prose after this (but unfortunately, I will have to next year. ew)

11/10 (I love you, Ovid)

Vergil (The Aeneid)

*deep sigh* Listen. I love his complex works, and I have great respect for this poem but by the GODS. Vergil's poetry is the most difficult I've had to translate by a long shot. He made me rethink my entire career in Latin. I have considered quitting so many times because of this man. I felt like a complete idiot most of the time. This is not a guy to fuck with. Luckily I got through it on my finals (barely.) but Christ alive this man made my life difficult.

5/10

Horatius (Satires and Odes)

Horatius will always have a special place in my heart. We read his poetry right after Vergil's, and it almost completely restored my faith in my abilities. He's just my little guy and I have fond memories of translating his works. We still know many Latin phrases that he wrote (Carpe Diem being the most famous. Hello, DPS fandom). Also, he and Vergil were most definitely in love. I don't make the rules. I have evidence if you want me to elaborate.

9/10

Catullus (love poems)

Ah, Catullus. Horny poet of the year. Had a wild affair with an older married woman. Nepotism baby. Sappho stan. Didn't know how to budget, but we aren't holding that against him. Just wanted to write poetry and dance (who doesn't, honestly). Gave fuck-all about education. Wrote nearly all of his poetry about the older woman he had an affair with. Might I add that this woman was married to one of his father's bestest buddies? Yeah. Icon. Here's a kid's choice award.

8/10

Martialis (Epigrams)

This dude had ZERO chill. Roasted everyone in the city. Literally, no one is safe. Wasn't afraid to call people out by their real names. Some people allegedly committed suicide after being roasted by this guy. Translating his epigrams gave me more joy than hearing we had seen the end of Vergil. His humour may be a little silly now, but I will not accept any Martialis slander on my blog.

10/10

And that is all folks

[catgirltitties]

My hot take is that theatre kids should be the perfect demographic to be sports fans bc its the perfect overlap between being a obsessive flamboyant complete dork, being a big nerd, and loving spectacle and drama

[sotiriabellou]

i love when greek homophobes call ppl "κυναιδος" to seem like sophisticated or as a gotcha.like what if im a top.bitch

[pissqueendanniella]

[indelen]

It's why some in some academic circles (and the books, films and documentaries made by them or by those that reference them for research) there is this push to speak about indigenous people as "gone" and frame everything about them as some bygone, missing, mystical, destroyed culture that they are working *oh so hard* to catalogue. Indigenous people are still very much here but if you acknowledge that you have to actually work on reconciliation, ask permission, go out and talk to people, apologize, return things, revise theories you made. For some academics (as well as anyone who loves to abuse history for their own political needs) it's a lot more handy for a culture to be dead so they can do what they want with it and frame it however they like and not have anyone contradict them.

Went to the Aboriginal artifact exhibit in Chicago. And it’s interesting. How many blankets and masks and totem poles say ‘unknown source’, because every five seconds my mom would stop and point to something and say. “Pauline’s grandmother made that,” or, “That belongs to Mike’s family, I should call him” because. It’s all stolen

[that-glitter-chick]

Historians: Mature adults engaging in consensual affectionate same-sex relationships? Unacceptable! Why the very fabric of Moral Christian Society would fray and fall apart! We’ll just pretend this doesn’t exist.

Same Historians: Zeus turning himself into animals so he can commit serial cases of beastial rape on obviously unwilling women? The masses will enjoy this, especially the kiddies!

[brainrotcharacters]

I fear if I put the shish kebab scene into writing, my hand will slip and I'll make it gay

[arisveah]

not only were the ancient greeks fruity, but so was their architecture! i will not explain.

[lizbethborden]

Ancient societies portrayed deep, intense, passionate love between 2 men, like Gilgamesh and Enkidu & Achilles and Patroclus, not because of like... gayness per se, but because gender divisions were so severe and cultural opinions of women so low that it was believed men could only achieve deep, real love and form lasting, powerful relationships with other men. Ancient Greeks practiced pederasty and male/male companionship not because the whole society was gay asf (unless...................?) but because it was the bond between 2 men or a man and a boy that was considered the most important emotional bond a man could have, and formed a large component of his socialization and cultural learning. Women in these societies were not social, cultural equals on any level. There was an idea that an Athenian woman should only leave her home twice: once to go to her husband's house on the day of her wedding, and the second time as a corpse to be buried. In ancient Mesopotamia, a woman or girl who was physically outside the home was considered sexually available, equivalent to a prostitute, with no social clout or value. (None of this means, btw, that women never left the house, etc. but these were the cultural attitudes all women contended with regardless of class.) It can be frustrating to see people on Timblr weeping and moaning over the power of these love stories--which, I can relate to, I cried the first time I read the Iliad! But given the intense misogyny on this site as a whole (funny since it's the female website), it feels like yet another symptom of the closed-circuit minds on here that identify most passionately and intensely with men and relate to men's struggles, men's feelings, men's partnerships with each other, in a way that they can't or won't begin to do for women.