#also i really like mapiccs and spokes team up

[mellohiizz]

finally got around to sit down and watch unstable universe, so here's some sketches i did during it :3 wemmbu's design is inspired by a few others i saw on here, i love spider wemmbu...

[coffeegnomee]

This is definitely oversimplifying everything, but I was thinking of what each player is capable of doing towards Zam's lore. Like what have the historically Accomplished. Regardless of their intent, what affects did it have on Zam's lore.

It's a bit of a silly thought experiment, I'd be down to hear your thoughts, just don't be mean, it's not that deep.

Planet can make him rethink his morals, take stock of what he really thinks and feels (s4 girl talk, s5 void convo before banning himself dramatically, dying to him s6 caused the oath)

Bacon can only listen to his problems (s4 convos before/after left each team, s5 as a teammate. He hasn't ever really made Zam change? He just kind of listens and tells him what to do and then Zam stubbornly doesn't do that) (I'm very interested as to if this new arc he's on will do anything to change this)

Spoke only enables him to let out the evil/good (doesn't cause it, but enables it, s4 wormhole, s5 talking with bacon/zam/mapicc at start of finale arc, and s3 enabling his heroism arc)

Mapicc (obviously) is the most interesting on the list. He is only capable of making Zam afraid (purposefully) and being his safe place (subconsciously). It is both at the same time. But the last time he tried to move zam's lore it was the castle arc 1.0, which was just revenge. then they ended the season together. And he had no input on that final change to the wormhole. And the castle arc 2.0 which ended with them friends as well and Zam unchanged. (but afraid)

Pangi is interestingly enough, has been the sympathetic reason for Zam to change. (the emotion based reason, the lore based reason) (s4 trapping him in bedrock was the straw the broke him, not even subz dying could get him out of that farmer arc, in s5 the concept of killing pangi launched the deranged laughs of the joker arc and set it firmly in motion esp when he got afraid of Zam and messaged Ash back.)

While Ash has been the external reason for Zam to change. (s4 leaking the exploits causing existential dread and the knowledge of them. s5 messaging him (twice) to kill 4C and Mid which caused the Joker arc, along with calling Minute to save Pangi)

The one Zam-change that is not considered here is actually leaving Eclipse, but that is less of a moral-realignment change and more of a standing up for his moral of no exploits. And it also was like a server-wide effort.

And of course this has none of the new members bc I haven't really seen enough of them to get trends. Because, yes, I initially made this list to predict who could make Zam drop pacifism. But leaving out the new members leaves out a lot of potential.

[arceoptryx]

arceoptryx_2: what about being the guy who betrayed everyone

hmm I should write out my mental list of everyone Zam betrayed in season 4:

Pangi (flying to Amsterdam to steal his hearts irl)

?poafa re: medusa? not sure what Zam was doing wrt that

the APO (Leowook, Pangi2, Woogie, Subz, but I'm not counting Parrot bc unclear if he was really on the APO side, nor Planet & Bacon because, like, they ended up siding with Team Awesome?)

Spoke (unstreamed during the dupe war)

Team Awesome (Mapicc, Roshambo; not, Terrain who'd already left, nor Spoke, bc, um, vibes. like spoke didn't even notice.)

The Shades/Pangi's kingship attempt (Pangi3, Redoons, Woogie2, ?Midmisticx,. Also Clownpierce apparently considered himself betrayed by Zam?that seems dubious? eh, i'll count it)

the lifsteal wiki list Vortex as one of the Shades; at one point [in O

Eclipse Federation (Subz2, Vitalasy)

I wanna say - not Solar Union, which i think dissolved ~with mutual consent, but like, the general cause of anti-exploiting? (Bacon, Planet, Jaron—Pangi escapes a Pangi4 by betraying Zam first, in my view where 'giving up' did not count)

[the context feels very synthetic but in his wormhole vid he certainly portrays himself as betraying] Spoke2, at the end, jumping through both portals

[countscountscounts] sixteenish? ...that is over half the server. i thought i was exaggerating. :V

now list of People Zam Teamed In Season 4 With Who I'm Pretty Sure Zam Did Not Betray:

Terrain. (shortly after Wallibear's day he does try to find and kill him during an outwardly amicable call, but he didn't manage it)

okay when you lay it out like this. thats absoultely brutal. one thing on the solar union is that planet definitely considered it a betrayal while bacon always considered it a temporary alliance. deffo a betrayal to the cause though

[mapicccc]

i think u had asked for something comforting abt devotions sleeping together idk idr its from wip abt s5 devotions stuck in s4

that's what hurts him much more than it should: when they return and they solve all the issues and spoke behaves as if nothing had happened, and his teammates fall asleep, passing out on various surfaces of the same room. he slowly drinks unsweetened coffee and thinks that very soon he and mapicc won't sleep next to each other anymore. 

the habit of sleeping next to someone had started in season two. at first, he and leo got used to sleeping only in turns, twitching with every rustle, facing attacks in the middle of the night, and being forced to defend themselves without clown. already at the time of peace inc., when he was still sleeping on the floor, mapicc just laid down right next to him, put his hand under the pillow, said that he would wake up in case of anything, and instantly passed out. 

sleeping next to him was not bad – not only actual protection from very real threats, but also the feeling of someone you trust next to, deep breathing, a steadily beating heart. in addition, mapicc was abnormally warm. it was kinda good.

the comfort of mapicc's company was something that was almost too easy to get used to, even take for granted. every time they found themselves in a team together, they ended up sleeping side by side, either just the two of them or the whole team, changing formats and positions, but keeping the meaning.

it is difficult to note a specific moment when mapicc began to go into the skull base like in his own home; at first it was only visits from time to time, and zam really had nothing to be indignant about; he himself had been to the guccigang base more than once or twice, and on business, and just to chill, and even slept there when couldn't or didn't want to return home. 

but over time everything turned to the fact that mapicc not only traded with his villagers and took from his stashes, but also slept in his bed, ate from his dishes, and took his clothes. and was either ironically or absolutely sincerely surprised at any questions. pangi continued to swear and demand to remove the evil dog from their house, but zam shrugged his shoulders and said that he had not invited him to expel. but pangi, of course, could try it himself...

zam, to be honest, was not concerned enough to do anything about it. it was mapicc, after all. mi casa es su casa and all that. and he wasn't too bad of a neighbor too! when zam will leave team awesome (again), mapicc will no longer be around him all the time, and that already is not a good thing. but it didn't mean that they would stop being partners. this time.

OUGHHHHH I LOVE THIS SO MUCH THANK YOUUUUU

its so normal for them. they fall back into old habbits so easliy. its just how they are.

this is so wonderful to read thank you i will treasure it forever omgggggggggg

[irrealisms]

and by way of honoring the things we once both held dear liner notes

fic here if you haven't read it!

the Pants Party was one of the first ideas kelardry and i had for pmmm au--back in, like, last october or so--of… in minecraft, not wearing full armor is a major combat disadvantage. in pmmm, not transforming is a major combat disadvantage. magical girl outfits are all skirts and dresses. therefore: pants party. or the PP, for short. they would think this was funny.

one of the main Points of this fic is something i've been turning over in my head for a while, and that's NPPP + 3ht parallels. they're both teams based around intentionally disadvantaging yourself. bacon saying "if they kill me then everyone's gonna call them broke. because when you're at four hearts it's definitely a disadvantage in some ways, but it's nice because-- who's gonna kill you? like, if they kill you they're just a bad person, you know?" & parrot saying "you can kill us however many times you want, but killing someone with no pants on is embarrassing. it shows nothing but your desire to only fight the weak."

and specifically ... parrot says that there were two options, on the NPPP. either you put on pants or you start exploiting. and either way you're not weak anymore. and he's sort of right but he's also sort of wrong. 3ht shows that that's wrong, in the wormhole, with planet on three hearts, bacon unstacking his totems. there is a third option: you can stick with your team until it kills you. you can stay weak and die for it. i did check pmmm to make sure this was canon-accurate but also: planet's dead body is wearing pants because, ultimately, she's more of a symbol of the Pants Party/NPPP spirit than either parrot or spoke at this point. she stayed weak. and, also, the NPPP spirit is dead, both because they all gave up on it & bc if you stay weak you die. spoke and parrot end the fic transformed. planetlord doesn't.

some canon stuff i wanted to include in the fic but didn't quite work in: the fact that spoke shows the control room to everyone because he respects that planet stayed on 3 hearts (that planet stuck by the disadvantage in his team name!). the fact that spoke fed parrot totems and gear throughout the wormhole. the fact that parrot helped spoke stage the dupe war.

another main Point of the fic is just ... looking at planet's death ban at the end of s4, in a setting where the server doesn't immediately end and restart. in a setting where planet is just ... dead, and everyone has to grieve that. the vision of this 13-year-old girl, dead on the pavement, because of what spoke did, and parrot can't bring herself to kill spoke but-- something is irrevocably broken, with that. there's no going back. planetlord is dead, in a world where that can't get reversed, in a world where that means something.

relatedly: the fact that in PMMM au they're all 13-15. this is so important to me and also i think it captures something important about lifesteal to me which is that they're all...very young? obviously PMMM au is younger than canon but it's also higher-stakes than canon in some ways. the dissonance between "these are people who are destroying worlds" and "this is a teenager who thinks naming something 'poopies' is the height of humor" was something i really wanted to draw out, esp in this setting where death is real and widespread destruction kills people. in PMMM au they are doing horrible things and also they are all so fucking tiny. planet and spoke are both 13/seventh graders; parrot is 14/an eighth grader. they're middle schoolers! they're middle schoolers. i sprinkle this in throughout bc it's so crushing to me to imagine.

bonus fact: i have ages, wishes, outfits, and general storyline mapped out for, like......12 different characters. i have a vision for basically all of s4 in this au. almost everything that happened in s4 has a pmmm au equivalent. it's fun. if i were to write anything else in this au it'd proooobably be mapicc & zam--i have a lot of specific mental images there. check out this pmmm zam i commissioned i love her so dearly

i did fudge spoke's wish for this fic though. in the broader au it's actually vitalasy that can grant second wishes/contract girls without involving kyubey, and spoke and ash did Some Bullshit with that. but vitalasy is so very a witch by this point in the timeline & i thought it'd be fun if parrot had the same "i could cheat and kill spoke here with her own exploits" dilemma that canon parrot had.

you dupe witches by taking a familiar out of the witch you're killing, keeping it alive, and then feeding it humans until it becomes juuuust large enough that it's a witch of its own and will drop its own grief seed. rinse and repeat. this is horrendously unethical but it CAN get you a ridiculous number of grief seeds quicker and more easily than fighting witches normally! i love lifestealers.

i'm proud of the line "She can’t walk forward without stepping over Planetlord’s corpse." . it is up there with planetlord wearing pants in terms of Blatantly Symbolic Imagery.

the title comes from Unmasked! by the Mountain Goats. in general i really like Beat the Champ + Lifesteal. something about the showmanship of it all. as far as Unmasked! specifically ... there's something about finales and losing your secrets and, worse, losing your gimmick. about parrot's triple agenting and spoke's social engineering. about knowing each other and fighting each other and saying goodbye.

[aroaceacacia]

wolfeei posted hypothetical exclusively hermitcraft + lifesteal block wars teams and i thought "wow that's a great idea I should do that ive been invested in both of those servers".

note: the combined rosters of HC and LS are over 40, which is the block wars player limit, so a bunch of people ended up excluded. this is also not an entirely realistic list and mostly just I'd like to see. anyway

SCARLET: falsesymmetry, goodtimeswithscar, pangi, reddoons, rendog

return of renfalse in events! im remembering something red said the other day about his morale/confidence in events being very influenced by his teammates' attitudes & i think ren's inspirational speeches and scar's nonchalant attitude would be a big help with that.

ORANGE: docm77, ijevin, mapicc, poafa, roshambogames

i just think jevin would match the mapicc and roshamenergy. poafa is here bc i think poafa and mapicc in an event together would be fun. doc on thsi team because i was running out of options he wouldnt get scared off if mapicc was mean

GOLDEN: baconnwaffles0, bdoubleo100, geminitay, planetlord, princezam

i really want bdubs + zam (bc of like. twitter), and then i realized planet and bacon would be really fun here, and i think gem would ALSO have fun. so

LIME: cubfan135, ethoslab, mrcube6, rekrap2, vintagebeef

i once watched a minecraft among us stream that fundy showed up to ENTIRELY because etho would be there and he wanted to meet etho. so I propose mrcube, lifesteal's redstoner, with etho, the father of MCYT redstone. cubfan was teamed with cube during the ESPN x games event and they worked well together, so I included him as well. rek was on that team also & is friends w cube so he makes sense. beef is here to have fun and hang out w etho

TEAL: ashswag, joe hills, xisuma, yeahjaron, zombiecleo

the 3 hermits were a little HHH trio for a long time and they were a lot of fun; I think jaron would match their energy well. ash is here because i think hes interested in politics to some level and might be able to match some of that energy. they would NOT win but they would be a lto of fun

BLUE: impulsesv, mumbo jumbo, parrot, pearlescentmoon, spokeishere

spoke being 1 million and mumbo jumbo in the same call would be really funny to me idk what to tell you. 3/5 hc8 boatem + parrot and spoke is an entertaining concept

PURPLE: hypnotizd, itzsubz, vitalasy, woogiex, xbcrafted

vitalasy and subz together bc there would be no way subz would ever participate in block wars otherwise. i think these guys could gel in a call together

FUCHSIA: iskall85, leow0ok, midmysticx, spepticle, stressmonster101

i miss iskall and stress ok! i think mid and stress would get along, and spepticle would be silly and add a bit of extra fun (or confusion). i think iskall and leo would do a lot of the heavy lifting on this team but itd be enjoyable to watch

[getwoold]

ok wait here's the transcription of the purple duo + mapicc convo from yesterday cuz i know some ppl missed the stream, it's not like professional or whatever but its here :P under the cut!

mapicc: i believe we have... i wouldn't say we have mutual interests, more of a "we're both fucked" kind of thing.

vitalasy: why?

mapicc: essentially, we both have incredibly dangerous criminals on both of our teams.

vitalasy: who's a criminal on our team?

subz: yeah, who's our criminal, what are you talking about?

mapicc: princezam. so i gotta start from the beginning. we never trust spoke because he has these weird like, stories and interactions with people. i'm sure you know why ro and i don't talk to zam anymore.

subz: he betrayed you guys, right, left your team?

mapicc: no, so essentially, you're aware that me and ro have done some duping on the server in the past, and we had a bunch of god apples and stuff. the war ended with spoke getting banned, and zam thinking that it wasn't right. that's why zam took all of the dupe stashes we had hid across the server, and "burned them." that's why we don't like zam.

subz: mhm

mapicc: here's the issue, i have reason to believe that zam's on your team to infiltrate, and spoke is on our team to infiltrate, and they have combined together, they both have duped items, they're studying the server and they're gonna take it over.

vitalasy: zam and spoke?

mapicc: zam and spoke, correct. i have SO much evidence, bro.

vitalasy: they have the duped– i didn't even know you guys still had duped stuff.

subz: no, it's been gone for a little while, supposedly.

mapicc: it's out there. so here's the issue, i'm gonna talk to you about what happened today. i don't know if you guys have been in contact with zam much, have you?

subz: uh, a little

mapicc: so i know exactly why. today, walli was getting camped and spoke said "hold on, my associate's arriving." and somebody invis, we can see on tab, we're fighting you guys, you're fighting us, and then there's zam in the middle. and i know for a fact that it was zam because i saw zam log off, and i saw exactly at the time he logged off the invis disappeared. zam gave wallibear a bunch of stuff today to help him and me and spoke. and then the other day, parrot was banned, you guys are aware that parrot was banned?

subz: yeah, yeah he was banned.

mapicc: right. so he was revived by somebody. this is what doesn't make sense to me. basically–

vitalasy: i thought spoke revived him?

mapicc: that's what we thought! cuz parrot thought that too! parrot went "oh, okay, here's 5 hearts" cuz parrot had 5 hearts in his echest, he wanted to get banned for his video, right? he was like "here's 5 hearts to pay you back." spoke then called me later, he was like "yeah i had an associate revive parrot for me and he didn't know that so he gave me 5 hearts and now i'm up 5 hearts. and what i heard, the next day he was like "he also saved me from the void which was really nice."

mapicc: i was like oh that's cool your associate sounds nice, i don't ask spoke about his private things cuz he's like evil and secretive all the time, but i assume he has nothing against me. and the next day i'm in vc with zam and he says "yeah spoke did a silly when leo crystaled him, he was in the void and i had to save him." so i know for a fact zam is the person that revived parrot, but zam has not dropped in heart count for weeks now. and why would zam be willing to revive parrot for spoke? because he has duped items that literally mean nothing to him, they're like nothing they're just there, he has infinite stuff, he just doesn't use it.

subz: true

mapicc: which is why zam is SO damn willing to always push at me and lose a million hearts, have you noticed that?

subz: yeah yeah yeah you're right

vitalasy: wait, zam wanted to team up with us and get walli out.

mapicc: exactly, and i'm terrified because he gave walli stuff.

vitalasy: (overlapping) no but he wouldn't need the hearts if he had duped hearts, he wouldn't need the hearts.

subz: true, he wouldn't need any hearts out of this.

mapicc: well he doesn't have– he's not gonna use them, it's like money laundering. he can't use a heart unless he's gained the heart somehow. it's not gonna make sense if he screenshares every time and he's always at 20 hearts and you never know why.

vitalasy: hm

subz: true

mapicc: i'm POSITIVE zam is not on your side, and i'm positive spoke is not on our side.

subz: okay so what are you wanting us to do exactly?

mapicc: that being said, i think we're still at combat but i think you guys should be really really wary about zam from now on.

vitalasy: if they ARE a team, which we don't know they are, do you wanna have like, a baby alliance? like we can still keep fighting but like–

mapicc: yeah cuz we still disagree on things but let's make a verbal agreement. if spoke and zam ever end up teaming up or looking like they're gonna team up, immediately on sight we are allied. and we just go for them immediately.

vitalasy: okay.

mapicc: that seems fair to me.

vitalasy: so we set differences aside, just go for it?

mapicc: just go for it, go for spoke and zam. cuz they're worse than any of us, they don't even wanna protect spawn.

vitalasy: so i shouldn't ask zam about any of the like, dupes or anything?

mapicc: he's in your team, whatever you wanna do you can do. if you wanna confront him, confront him. but i mean... i don't know.

vitalasy: no no, i think we should keep it a secret.

mapicc: and here's the thing, another reason i have to believe– you guys are aware of the 2 billion heart glitch, vitalasy probably more than most people.

subz: yeah LOL

vitalasy: by accident!!

mapicc: the night they found it, it was terrain, spoke, and zam, okay? those three reported it to parrot. what i heard the other day is– i accidentally burned a heart, we were trying to look for ways to revive parrot by spending less. we were missing a heart for some reason, and we needed to revive somebody. basically, spoke messages me, he goes "okay, if everything goes to shit, i have coordinates from somebody to a double chest of hearts from the 2 billion heart glitch."

subz & vitalasy: what???

mapicc: he says he has a double chest of hearts somewhere on the server.

subz: you're positive? he's not even bluffing or saying bullshit?

mapicc: no, he has a double chest of hearts somewhere from the glitch. and we know terry and zam are the only two who knew about that. and terry never really gives a shit about lifesteal lore. i'm like 100% sure zam is–

vitalasy: doesn't that mean he trusts you then? doesn't that mean you can get it somehow?

mapicc: spoke trusts me like crazy, but if he's evil he's not gonna trust me enough to go get a double chest of hearts for him.

vitalasy: no no, like if you can get close enough to him to get to the hearts and then what, do you wanna burn them?

mapicc: how would i do that though?

vitalasy: you need to do some social engineering you know?

mapicc: cuz realistically, the only ways to bring that up, he's not just gonna fill me in on his evil plans one day randomly.

vitalasy: i don't know... spoke is weird.

mapicc: spoke is SO weird. and i know that spoke is doing a whole thing where at the end of lifesteal he's gonna do like a 15 part series and he told me the "big reveal" is that he was evil the whole time.

vitalasy: well that's every single time!

subz: yeah, he's always evil, he's always been evil.

mapicc: that's why i think he was safe to tell me. i don't know, the whole point is look out for princezam. and we have a mutual agreement that if they ever do end up being evil, you know.

[zylian]

I like to think Zam always cared for Mapicc even when he hated him the most. —> Devotion duo rant :P

It’s why he said his revenge was done when he saw Mapicc completely alone. Mapicc always has someone, the second he didn’t Zam said it was too cruel.

Zam knows that if Mapicc knew Spoke was working with eclipse, Mapicc would totally have done something rash and make himself everyone’s target.

Mapicc who thought Zam was a blind fool never realizes Zam was burning himself trying to keep Mapiccs focus on him.

Zam made sure Mapicc would rarely notice who’s working with who until Mapicc no longer would be a threat and put himself in danger. Until things were so far along Spoke, Ash or Vitalasy wouldn’t subject Mapicc as the main target.

Mapicc always needs someone by him and Zam in his own way kept his teams focus away by getting as close as he could to Mapicc

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It’s like that one time after a duel got ruined by the Warden Spoke spawned. Mapicc thought Zam didn’t know anything behind the scenes after putting the pieces together while Zam was actively acting and lying about how much he knew to make sure Mapicc didn’t get dragged into it.

Even Planet told Zam to watch what he says since Mapicc didn’t know Spokes god at that time. Out of everyone, Zam knows how easily Spoke can throw people away so he vouched for Spokes ban first so Spokes anger spread instead of full focusing on Mapicc.

No matter how much Zam blames Mapicc he is so quick to not allow someone else to put full blame on Mapicc.

In turn when Mapicc thought Vitalasy was going to book ban Zam, he got scared. Despite it having nothing to do with him, despite having no reason to be nice to Zam since they barely just got back on neutral terms he slowly twisted it. Giving him a reason to fight back.

With the original prison plan being used on leviathan, that didn’t give Mapicc motivation to actually fully go after Vitalasy but the second he heard Zam was almost the subject to Vi’s potential bookban, he himself told Spoke about his plan to try and ban Vitalasy first.

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It’s crazy, Mapicc should know first hand how awful Zams betrayals feel and in fact it would have made sense if he let Vitalasy ban Zam and than deal with Vi later but he didn’t.

Mapicc still cares and it’s also the reason he believes Zam has no thoughts and acts on impulse. He believes he knows Zam and can’t tolerate seeing Zam bleed when he has no involvement in it.

Mapicc was so ready to jump in to Zams last talk with Subz. Despite days later commanding Spoke to kill Zam for killing Vortex.

It’s so strange.

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There’s also the time Subz wanted to murder Mapicc so many times, even telling Vitalasy how quick he would go after him but at that time Mapicc was Zams target and Zams target alone.

Zam made sure he had back up sets just to return to battle to fight Mapicc, especially with hearing how Subz talks about him. Subz dismissing Spoke, calling Ro washed and saying he could handle Mapicc even with a totem rather than a shield.

Zam never really let Subz 1v1 Mapicc. Zam cares too much & so does Mapicc. Clown’s fight had nothing to do with Mapicc but it gets twisted to give reason for Mapicc to show up.

They will only let the other bleed if it’s from those they allow it from, whether that’s their own teammates jumping in to help or someone they asked. It’s never by a third party that’s not involved.

[evi4th]

Sorry for this anon, but I was on twt (my first mistake) and I saw your madoka magica LSSMP so I have words for you cuz that anime has been a fixation of mine for around 9 years (doing my yearly rewatch next month 🔥🔥🔥)

SO I think your choice of making Ash the role of Homura is incredibly interesting, taking into account the fact that the whole Madokami thing is her fault due to resetting timelines so much that Madoka became the center of the universe (since whenever she died, Homura reset everything) kinda interesting choice because Madoka in the first few loops took a stance to protect Homura but after the first i think 5(?) Homura started to treat her as if made of glass and did her best to keep her out of danger (becoming a magical girl) no matter the cost, even if Madoka ended up hating her...

I haven't watched enough Reddoon's stuff to have a strong opinion on him, but ik Swagdoons is a popular ship? Interesting due to the fact that cuz of the first few loops we can tell Madoka is incredibly capable of handling herself, but most of her deaths seem to be due to sacrificing herself to keep a teammate safe...

Kyoko for Bacon is very... surprising honestly, I would have honestly expected Mappic because a central thing during (what I remember) her arc is her impulsiveness, trying to work solo because of her wish ending badly and just generally acting both rude and stubborn to hide a softer interior... that plus while Kyoko is pretty smart, she does punch before asking questions so I think Bacon, who imo feels more like he'd think before punching, is certainly a choice

Sayaka being Planet is something I can't really say much about (don't really watch planet my b) but I do think she'd maybe fit someone else more? Mostly because the whole central part of the arc (once again from memory) is Sayaka having a thing with playing the hero, to the point her wish was made in order to save Kyosuke (random white boy she had a crush on) and it was done in a moment to save Madoka.... that and the whole being so quick to act that she can come off as a ignorant of the situation?

Then there is Zam as Mami, this is legit the whole reason I looked for your tumblr. I have very mixed feelings on this once since I very much hate Mami's character (undercooked imo) but Zam is my favorite little guy and him in Mami's fit would slap. This whole thing is very season dependent because Mami is a bit of a messy character, since on the surface she comes off as a caring older figure but she's under the pressure of being the only magical girl in this city for who knows for how long, which does kinda feed into her accidentally(?) manipulating others into joining in order to lessen her own responsibilities. She's a bit selfish (fair cuz she's like what? 15? 16?) and puts herself before others... which is kind of oposite to Zam, basically I don't think Mami could have grinded 200 armor sets but I do think Zam would have gotten decapitated by being too cocky

Spoke as Bebe is gold tho, he does look like someone that would waste his wish on cheese. 👍

yjes i agrre with everytihhing stated... prtenf thered like a more formal reply but Yea. i ddidnt think ab like how the actual characters and dynamics would fit in a lot but ab like princezam being mami i think i chose that cuz both of them hqve like?? not being able to properly sustain a team ibthink.. idk but Yea. btw anon u seem smart and shit wjo do youthink would be kyubey cause u seem Smart. Ithink mapicc Would fit kyoko well but also I'll be completely honest i js thought bacon would look cool as kyoko😭😭plj3ase yap about This more and who you wlould think fit the characters and stuff . this is Very interesting im jsut Bad at expressijg thwt

[zylian]

Moments in the Branzy 4 stream that make me kinda insane

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Bacon: Did u tell Branzy about ur problem

Zam: No, not yet

Mapicc: What’s ur problem

Zam: I don’t think I will

*Bacon asks again*

Mapicc: Are u struggling with ur identity again PrinceZam?

Zam: Why would u think that-

Mapicc: Because u always are, and than u make a bunch of signs and than u complain for four days and u end up either not doing something or doing something way too drastic for no reason.

Spoke: Tru- Yeah

Bacon: Yeah, kind of fair… his name is Princezam

Zam: Yeah

*Mapicc laughs*

Spoke: wait can we do some lore now, like I’m tired of being funny, can we do some lore now

Zam: *muted* Why does he know me so well, why does he know me SO damn well, that’s so weird

—————

Zam changes skin: It’s me Pussn’boots

*Mapicc turns towards Zam*

*another conversation happening in the background*

Mapicc in a Angry birds skin: And I am Death

—————

*Zam in the Rek centre as Mapicc walks in*

Zam: Hey dude

Mapicc: you know, ah Rekraps obsidian thing still exists

Zam: Really!?

Mapicc: Yah look follow me

Zam: is it buried?! Yah sure

—————

*Clownpierce riding the horse with golden armour*

Bacon: who’s horse is that?

Mapicc: Hors! It’s mine

Zam: Ok

Mapicc: No he’s mine!

*Zam & Clown verbally fighting while with hors*

Mapicc: Hey, pls don’t hurt my horse

—————

Zam: why are the dogs racist

Mapicc: well because they called me a bad word that I can’t repeat on stream

Zam: oh ok

Mapicc: or off stream

—————

Bacon: there’s like a group of players; Spoke, Ash, Vitalasy, his whole team all have access to these weird abilities, to make creative mode and bedrock and barriers and whatever they want, alright. They’re doing stuff with it, there all doing different things and they’re on different sides. Like Mapicc is against Vitalasy and his team, which is eclipse but he’s also teamed with Spoke and they’re team is called Leviathan, So Leviathan and Eclipse hate each other but both have exploiters on each of they’re sides. So it’s a little bit interesting.

Spoke: And yeah jaron

Bacon: what wdym

Spoke: …yknow ur probably part of it!!

*Zam deafens*

Zam: After learning that Spokes on my side, everything he says is like… starting to make sense yknow. It’s like everything he says is to like cover for Vitalasy, yknow. Every joke he makes is like a deflection kind of- like I’ve seen a lot, it’s crazy, he’s like so good at just getting ppl to stop being suspicious of him. Everyone knows it’s him still but he puts suspicion away immediately, it seems like Spoke is like super loyal to Vitalasy.

*Zam undeafens*

Bacon: oh thankgod, we were all sitting in silence until you-

Zam: Oh

—————

Mapicc: Look there’s Spoke

Zam: Oh good job Spoke

Mapicc No, look there Spoke flowers

Zam: Oh I get it, yah

Bacon: Are they gay?

Zam: No

Mapicc: what?!

Bacon: I wasn’t sure what u meant by Spoke flowers

Mapicc: That’s cause there withers, and there’s like an analogy

—————

Branzy: My advice is anytime that you can betray Vitalasy, you just do it

Zam: *chokes into laughter*

—————

[zylian]

I can’t wrap my head around Vitalasys reasonings

At the end he wanted op right? Like that’s why he let Spoke do what he did?

Than why is he SO upset at Zam? I feel like Zams actions did utterly nothing to Vitalasys plans, it was only talk that could of been easily forgotten.

Why did he throw his entire reasoning onto Zam and than when Zam said “I don’t want to be your rock” Vitalasy proceeded to keep caring about every little thing Zam was doing

Even after all that he says how much he wants to repeatedly kill Zam over and over which just shows his ignorance to not remembering? Not knowing? That Zam was hunted by Mapicc, an old teammate, because he betrayed. Just why would Vitalasy claim to care so much about Zam yet say such things.

I just don’t understand it, cause it makes it look like Zam was being strung along the second he first meets Vitalasy but why would Vitalasy put himself through all that if his main goal was getting op

Why care so much when he knew the damage was done. Also the revenge plans?? He had way too much going on and he did not handle it well at all. How the hell did his fall out with Spoke even happen?? Since they apparently weren’t faking it

I just don’t get why he cared so much that Zam was working with Spoke when Spokes been the very thing he’s been half protecting and telling Zam is under his control. How was anyone supposed to know why he hated Spoke so much when he kept pulling 180s

I feel like him bringing up the “reporting to save all servers” should of never been brought up because it only added to suspicion and didn’t help convince anyone

Like I understand Zams perspective and Subz’s perspective of things and why they think like they did by the end of the season but why did Vitalasy contradict himself so often??

I just don’t get it, it’s like he had this huge thingy he was dealing with so he preplanned lore but didn’t like it when it didn’t go his way and chose to not adapt to the teammate/ppl he made it revolve around.

I can see him adapt in some places, sure, but his ignorance was crazy, he expected Zam to drop his character lore entirely until the next season???

Why doesn’t Vitalasys reasoning exist outside of Zam? That would be Spoke. But no one knows wtf is with them cause it’s behind the scenes! So because he couldn’t really bring it up he pushed his lore more towards Zam??? WHY?!?

Also him banning himself after knowing Zam almost banned himself twice “for his sake” just showed how he didn’t care about anyone. Only banning himself under that false pretence to shift their attention back on the server.

His character makes me so incredibly upset, felt so weird with how important his character was supposed to be yet he wants to stay in the sidelines

I feel like Zam and Subz both have their flaws yet they still tried to adapt in some way that fits themselves. Like knowing the other person well enough to do certain actions that work with it.

Vitalasy was shocked Zam knew that Subz would have died in the end and it felt like Vitalasy truly never saw his team as a whole.

Subz saw it, he saw Vitalasy and Zam struggling to interact and knew things would need to be dealt with but Vitalasy couldn’t see how well Subz and Zam worked together. He didn’t assume, he didn’t even notice how much those two cared for each other. Which also puts the question of his focus on “revenge” while his teammates were still getting hunted. Why did he have a moral crisis too??

Man this gives me a headache trying to think about, even if the videos come out with explanations, his character could of handled everything so much better without leaking ANYTHING than wtf actually happened

Vitalasys story is actually focused on Spoke and I really want to know wtf happened

((Sorry I just need to flesh out Vitalasys character so au’s I think of work better cause right now he’s giving wet cat energy))

[coffeegnomee]

I love this. Thank you for adding your analysis!!

I will say off the bat that I was being a bit dramatic in the original post, I wrote it basically immediately after watching Bacon's second stream and the team, needless to say, is just dysfunctional. And I was feeling dramatic and poetic. Romanticizing the past you could say.

I started thinking too much about how important team dynamics are. So I recognize it wasn't super thorough. and quite biased fr. I'll get into it.

"By honor, I assume you mean regarding the creation of videos and other content? If so, I generally agree here too(with some exceptions, that I won't get into in this reblog). Showing up to events they know are likely traps, agreeing to in-game meetings instead of insisting on discord calls, participating in things even if not planning to make a video out of it, all of this and many other things they do are about helping each other to make better content."

Yea I meant it that way. I have like a core memory from one of the earliest s4 streams I saw, don't remember which one or what was going on but Mapicc did something and I was like, 'woah that was actually, like, super honorable of him, despite the absolute bs that they pull off on this server. That's so awesome, you love to see that.'

The fact that I remember it so distinctly as being Mapicc but not at all what the situation was is so funny to me, but it is something he would do. Like he in particular always shows up to stuff, and he can be quite nice to D6. It just stuck out to me so much in that moment and made me fall in love with the server that there's this balance between the bs and the people making it. There's humanity behind the shittery.

But yea, then your laundry list of the bullshit they pull on each other in the context of the videos made me laugh. They really have pulled a lot of shit. And I love it too. Anything to get the upper hand.

The context about bringing the wormhole up for the lying to others was definitely just me being a Zam-first fan, and how he kept the secret to everyone and anyone, lying to Planet and Bacon about it, despite how much he was unsure of it. Lol. Eclipse my beloved and how fucked up they were. And Spoke to Parrot.

And you're absolutely right about me projecting it onto people that people use Zam as an excuse to betray. Idk where I got that one either. I was thinking about it the day after I posted this and was like.... has anyone said that or has Zam just felt so much guilt about betraying everyone and has talked about how he's trying to move past that reputation so much recently that I also internalized that lol.

Oh I found it, it was on 9/11/24 about 5:08:00 “Most betrayals in a season, that’s me. That’s the reputation I’ve built for myself. And then I immediately decided I was going to kill everyone, right after. That’s um, the reputation I’m trying to escape."

So evidently it was on my mind lol. And I was thinking about reputations and the new members's perspectives of the server coming in from a viewer perspective (in some cases watching a lot, in some only knowing some things) and then becoming a member. And how that influences their preconceptions about what the server is about.

Versus how the old members molded it as they went and had the inside part of building that reputation. And how Youtube videos differ so much from streamed content. You're going to edit the betraying and scheming differently for a fast paced video in a way that can never express what it's like living it in real time. And living it real time will make it so the reputation grows at the same time you grow, as opposed to entering into that reputation down the line. That's more what I was trying to get at. And then my PrinceZam brainrot got the best of me lol.

About the betrayals before s5. I did completely forget about Branzy. I was listing the people who tend to betray, rather than the number of betrayals they have done? If that makes sense. I was trying to think of the semi and less active members and remember if they individually pulled off a purposeful "get into a team and betray them", or "decide to betray a team that I was fully on" and my mind was pulling up nothing besides more recent stuff, Jumper being the one I was implying for things happening in s5.

Now I am thinking of more, like it was Parrot who betrayed the... Dirties? Because he was conveniently added to the group chat at the right time and took full advantage of it?

You said you've been around since s2 started. That will pretty much do it. I will fully admit I found Lifesteal mid/late season 4 right after the Eclipse Betrayal and pieced things together and struggled greatly at figuring out which youtube videos went with which seasons and generally gave up in favor of watching streams. So I also don't have as much emotional attachment (and memory) to the betrayals of s3 and before, (not to mention "lore" didn't start until the end of s3 and that has shaped the old members a lot. At least the ones that played into it) and it was such a notable moment with Zam betraying so many people s4 and also spending so much time thinking about it that that really became my baseline for a story well told: Not betraying for the sake of betraying, but really thinking about it because the concept of "team" means something beyond your individual goals.

Which yea. #bias. Oh well. It's really good encountering someone who just knows more about the server than I do. I used to get so nervous about having an opinion about anything if I didn't watch every single episode of a show regardless of how many hundreds there were. I gave up on that with Lifesteal because it's simply too many hours. I genuinely appreciate your perspective.

It's actually so interesting though. How are new fans vs old? How has the lore effect of s4 has made a whole new category of fan that is just extremely different in mindset to fans who have been around since the start?

It fascinates me actually how much the server changed in 4 and/or 5 seasons. Because like, my comment

"But the new members just do not understand what “for content” means. They just kill randomly. They don’t defend each other. They don’t tell the other teammate to give the heart back bc it’s been proven enough that they’re innocent. They’re constantly suspicious and will only meet if there are no enemies online. "

is entirely based upon season 4 and season 5 members (cough Mapicc cough. And Zam and Bacon.) who do tend to gentleman's rule it up with making sure their teammates have enough hearts and gear and taking care of each other. And like with Zam giving out gear left and right. And even with Zam's paranoia, he's so strategic about it at this point that it's just fun to watch.

They've changed a lot since their early days, and they're almost facing the living memory of what they were like three years ago in the person of each of these new members. They're just as volatile as they were in s2, but now they've grown out of that volatility to some extent. Oh how I wish I could watch s1-3 vods.

I have actually wondered a lot about how similar the new members's choices are (when it comes to things that make me feel like they're not getting how this server runs) compared to the old members in their early seasons. You've basically confirmed my suspicions. Everyone has done shitty things to each other and the extent that they don't do that anymore is formed though experience and knowing the boundaries of what the other members will and will not tolerate.

And now they're facing new people who think how they thought.

The comment about "for content", I should have said "in the service of content" maybe. It's not just "the things that are for my video" (which they all succeed in creating) but rather "things that are interesting for myself and for the whole server" which, as a viewer, is "content" for me: the things that make a year long ever-evolving story.

I don't think I'm explaining that right. I think I might just meant like, for improv actually. Maybe? Like Lore: things that continue the Story rather than just make it stop? But in the context of what I said, I was thinking of something specific.

Wemmbu being like "i don't give a shit if you give the heart back or not" was just annoying, like have an opinion bro, take a side. You're the leader, decide the result. That was one specific line I was thinking of when writing that.

The killing randomly.. I am a Bacon supporter that killing innocents for the sake of killing innocents is not it. It has to have some sort of meaning behind it for me to be on board. Killing the new member over and over teaches them something. Idk maybe I don't agree with that anymore. Kab killing Planet had the effect of making Bacon think about getting involved so it really was useful. I was thinking about Hannah killing Bacon without Kab talking to him first, like that instantaneous kill that doesn't involve talking. I hate those. But I'm also a lore goblin.

And the not meeting if the enemy is online is, yea, like you said, it is fair. I just find it grating and annoying when they stop the conversation based on it. But even so I can remember multiple times someone has been told that if someone logs on and they don't spam message them to log off they die. So it's hardly unique to Kab.

so yea. idk. That stream was making my head hurt.

I also meant it in the context of the team. Like in the service of a team's goal, we work as a team and don't do things that make it harder to do content with each other. So that's my bad for being not clear at all. And my poor little heart got too caught up in how frustrated Bacon was with the team and wanting to leave it that I was like, can we have one thing, one little thing? Like save the betraying for later, just work together. Make some content. But they'll be fine. Either Bacon stays or he doesn't. Either will continue the plot forward and it really doesn't matter. And this is quite an interesting interaction all of them had.

It will never not fascinate me how much every encounter has some positive effect come from it. Like something might happen to grind the story to a halt, but that in and of itself is its own launching point for another plot. I usually just need like a day or two to realize how the development will still be interesting even if it didn't measure up to my expectation. Like even Flame dropping the spawn griefing made Zam frolic which means his character abruptly have nothing to fight or win against, and his frolicking got Bacon thinking of ways to make the server interesting. All from Flame just dropping that bit of story right as people were thinking of more and more ways to oppose him. It's so intertwined. And it seems (so far so good) to be that the server cannot destroy itself (like in the "we aren't doing a new season" way.) Someone always has something to do from something else's actions. They always bounce back.

And I do love that every person is uniquely themselves. That is something that I've absolutely loved about streamed minecraft, everyone is unique and you get to see exactly how because there are so many hours streamed.

But I do have a tendency to try and compare members to each other as a part of understanding them and when I do that before I understand what makes them uniquely them I'm just doomed to be disappointed. Because they aren't like someone else. That would be ridiculous. And yet my stubborn brain will still tend to expect similarities.

And I got waaaay too excited by the prospect of this team being a team. It's such an interesting group of people. And so when they "ruined" it (the stream ending with Bacon saying he would not work with them) instead of taking the risk and exploring the possibilities and making it into content, that's where I got dramatic about teaming.

That is what I meant "for content" actually. I think. The concept of random people teaming up and seeing what comes of it. Maybe just saying "they don't know how to take risks for content" is the best way to say it. idk apparently I also don't know what I meant. Not my greatest writing moment I'll admit.

What you said at the start:

"The team bonds are only so strong because of the way the constant conflict and stress of the server drives people to depend on each other."

That basically sums everything up. Driven to depend on each other despite the risks involved. That is the core of the server.

Thanks again! I loved this. You always have permission to make a reblog with analysis. I'll let you know if I'm ever like, this is stressing me out please don't do it again.

Ok just caught up and like. What the fuck man. 

I literally all can do is just sit here and hope and pray that the old members stick it out and help the new members understand what lifesteal is actually about.

Because lifesteal has the reputation of being the lying and betraying and killing people server. 

But it is just Not That. Like obviously those things have happened on the server, fine. 

But lifesteal is far far far more about teammates. Believing that they will have your back. Working together to do cool shit. Trusting each other. 

It’s about commitment and honor and respect and working together on an interesting goal. 

It’s about not screwing over your teammates for a cheap moment that ruins the rest of your relationship on the server. (Mapicc showed this perfectly this week too! He ended the experiments because he’d rather have a teammate than execute a crazy emotional manipulation arc on Zam and really push him over the edge.) 

They sacrifice for each other. They protect each other. They pick each other up when they get killed by their enemies. They encourage them when they’re down. Help them be strong against their fears. Get each other gear and hearts and make sure they’re safe. Spend hours on each other’s arc together in vc all night. 

They lie to OTHERS for their team. They protect the wormhole for months even when they don’t want to or believe in it at all.

They do tiny little things that they know the other person will like just so they know they love them and appreciate them being on the team. They say it too, to each other’s faces. 

It’s about loving each other bro. There’s a massive fucking reason why there’s so much shipping fanart man. They fucking love each other platonically so damn much and so damn perfectly that you can make it romantic and it’s like not even like all that weird.

It makes me so fucking mad that you could boil down this beautiful server into lying and killing and go on it and be like, I heard princezam betrays every team he’s on obviously we should betray everyone and be on the lookout for every single person being a betrayer. 

Zam fucking lost his mind over betraying team awesome and eclipse. He AGONIZED for MONTHS before pulling the trigger for eclipse and he didn’t betray team awesome until after their massive arc together that he was completely loyal to, finished it out as a team, and only when they looked like they weren’t going to give up their unfair advantage did he seek to leave them. And he fought them and left.

The fucking respect he has for a team is insane.

And same goes for Bacon and Mapicc. 

as for others:

Ro only betrays if he gets a better offer (from mapicc) 

Leo betrays when it’s interesting for the story to have a juggernaut.

Spoke betrays only when he has his own bigger plan to execute that will create something interesting for the whole server to encounter. 

Clown only betrays when you go against his morals of creating content by chaos. 

I can’t even think of any notable betrayals from before s5. Most of the server does not betray ever. Most of the server never lies. 

They only lie and betray when it’s for the benefit of the content. 

And that’s what fucking makes me so upset about this. Bacon is doing this arc for the BETTERMENT of the server. He literally says he’s doing it to make other people’s lives on the sever more interesting. It ain’t even about him. He’s not even making a video about this. He just likes to do cool shit on the server because it’s fun to craft an overarching story for everyone to play into.

It’s never been about hearts man. 

The most valuable resource on the server is content. 

And Bacon understands this. In a way that quite possibly could make him a worldender like spoke and clown. He’s really getting into the role of strategizing fun things for the server to do for no other reason than someone has to do it and that it’s good for the server. 

But the new members just do not understand what “for content” means. They just kill randomly. They don’t defend each other. They don’t tell the other teammate to give the heart back bc it’s been proven enough that they’re innocent. They’re constantly suspicious and will only meet if there are no enemies online. 

It’s not about the hearts man. 

It’s about the team.

[void-chara]

thanks for being cool with me adding my analysis!!

no yeah i totally get being super dramatic about things right after theyve just happened, before you have time to really sit with them. i usually just keep my overdramatic not super thought through stuff in discord messages, rather than tumblr posts.

I have like a core memory from one of the earliest s4 streams I saw, don't remember which one or what was going on but Mapicc did something and I was like, 'woah that was actually, like, super honorable of him, despite the absolute bs that they pull off on this server. That's so awesome, you love to see that.'

no yeah this makes sense as something that would stick in your mind, thats so real. mapicc is so good about like, showing up to things and taking risks for the sake of having more fun and making better content for himself and others.

The context about bringing the wormhole up for the lying to others was definitely just me being a Zam-first fan, and how he kept the secret to everyone and anyone, lying to Planet and Bacon about it, despite how much he was unsure of it. Lol. Eclipse my beloved and how fucked up they were. And Spoke to Parrot.

ohhh yeah ok i can see how you got there then. yeah, its super easy to just think about the guys you watch most instead of the server as a whole, im guilty of that too

Versus how the old members molded it as they went and had the inside part of building that reputation. And how Youtube videos differ so much from streamed content. You're going to edit the betraying and scheming differently for a fast paced video in a way that can never express what it's like living it in real time. And living it real time will make it so the reputation grows at the same time you grow, as opposed to entering into that reputation down the line. That's more what I was trying to get at. And then my PrinceZam brainrot got the best of me lol.

oh i absolutely get what you mean about streams and videos feeling way different, yeah. but i do think a lot of the members who watched ls before joining did also watch streams, not just videos? i see familiar names in the chats in vods a lot whenever i go to rewatch, off the top of my head i think i can remember minute, derapchu, and kaboodle all appearing pretty frequently in lifestealer chats before any of them joined the server

Now I am thinking of more, like it was Parrot who betrayed the... Dirties? Because he was conveniently added to the group chat at the right time and took full advantage of it?

iirc i think it was team chaos who betrayed the dirties, and parrot who in turn betrayed team chaos? i could be wrong tho, i havent rewatched any s3 recently

You said you've been around since s2 started. That will pretty much do it. I will fully admit I found Lifesteal mid/late season 4 right after the Eclipse Betrayal and pieced things together and struggled greatly at figuring out which youtube videos went with which seasons and generally gave up in favor of watching streams. So I also don't have as much emotional attachment (and memory) to the betrayals of s3 and before, (not to mention "lore" didn't start until the end of s3 and that has shaped the old members a lot. At least the ones that played into it) and it was such a notable moment with Zam betraying so many people s4 and also spending so much time thinking about it that that really became my baseline for a story well told: Not betraying for the sake of betraying, but really thinking about it because the concept of "team" means something beyond your individual goals.

so actually, im in kind of a weird place with when i started watching? i had already been watching rekrap prior to him joining lifesteal, so when he joined ls i started watching his videos there too. but i didnt watch any other lifestealers, and tbh i prefered reks echocraft content and wanted him to do more stuff on there instead of ls. and then branzy, who i also already watched, joined lifesteal in s3. so i was watching branzy and rek, and then because i watched branzy i of course also started watching clown(clownzyGay), and i also started getting more invested in lifesteal, i believe this is also when i started watching vitalasy, roshambo, and probably a few other people? and then s3 ended, and none of my main povs were doing much in s4, so i kinda stopped paying attention to lifesteal. but randomly in january 2023 i remembered the server existed and got super obsessed with it out of no where, and started watching streams for the first time. i believe this was just barely a bit before zam joined eclipse federation? so obviously i got obsessed with those guys. january/maybe febuary 2023 is also when i started trying to get involved in the fandom! so ive technically been watching since s2 started, but because of how long it took me to expand my viewpoints and start obsessing, i dont know if i can really be considered an og fan or anything.

It's actually so interesting though. How are new fans vs old? How has the lore effect of s4 has made a whole new category of fan that is just extremely different in mindset to fans who have been around since the start?

im also really curious about this tbh! things felt kind of different when i was first getting into the fandom, but, im sooo curious what it was like before, i really wish id gotten invested and started watching streams way sooner than i did

Wemmbu being like "i don't give a shit if you give the heart back or not" was just annoying, like have an opinion bro, take a side. You're the leader, decide the result. That was one specific line I was thinking of when writing that.

tbh i like when wemmbu is an annoying little shit for no reason. hes a silly guy to me i enjoy him. he sucks <3 i do think wemmbus lack of care can actually be super interesting as a character trait! its really different and thats fun! but also i just like when theres an annoying little asshole who sucks for no reason

The killing randomly.. I am a Bacon supporter that killing innocents for the sake of killing innocents is not it. It has to have some sort of meaning behind it for me to be on board. Killing the new member over and over teaches them something. Idk maybe I don't agree with that anymore. Kab killing Planet had the effect of making Bacon think about getting involved so it really was useful. I was thinking about Hannah killing Bacon without Kab talking to him first, like that instantaneous kill that doesn't involve talking. I hate those. But I'm also a lore goblin.

i think part of the reason that i dont mind random killing, is that its still characterizing that some players are willing to kill randomly, just out of boredom or for fun or because they want hearts. it says something about who they are as characters and what they are willing to do and what they think is and isnt important!

you are talking about hannah killing bacon after incorrectly assuming he told mane where kab was, right? i havent been watching streams as much lately cause ive been busy with college, let me know if theres something else you're referring to im missing. anyway, tbh i actually like that hannah did that, i think its fun that she cares about kab so much that her immediate reaction was to try and get revenge for her!

I usually just need like a day or two to realize how the development will still be interesting even if it didn't measure up to my expectation.

no yeah this is exactly why i do my liveblogging, especially when im upset about things, on discord instead of tumblr. cause usually it turns out ok, and i realize i dont need to make such a big deal of it! and i dont wanna save my momentary frustrations somewhere public on tumblr, id rather have my blog be mostly more thought through stuff that im still gonna agree with later, instead of stuff i know doesnt matter and ill be over soon.

That is what I meant "for content" actually. I think. The concept of random people teaming up and seeing what comes of it. Maybe just saying "they don't know how to take risks for content" is the best way to say it. idk apparently I also don't know what I meant. Not my greatest writing moment I'll admit.

ohhh yeah ok this makes sense. i do also wish more players were willing to do risky things for content, i think its fun. i think some players havent realized that losses can also be interesting in videos, and even if everything doesnt go perfectly that doesnt mean the video is ruined. theres a rekrap video from s2 i think, where he spends the whole thing making a trap, and then no one falls for it and he even dies to it himself i think? and thats just the end of the video! he doesnt get someone with it in the end, he fails and ends the video! and i wish there were more videos like that on lifesteal, i think the failure makes it all feel more real, because it is, things go wrong sometimes! idk where im going with this. yeah.,

Thanks again! I loved this. You always have permission to make a reblog with analysis. I'll let you know if I'm ever like, this is stressing me out please don't do it again.

yay!! yeah i might take you up on that, im super busy all the time but this was really fun <3

Ok just caught up and like. What the fuck man. 

I literally all can do is just sit here and hope and pray that the old members stick it out and help the new members understand what lifesteal is actually about.

Because lifesteal has the reputation of being the lying and betraying and killing people server. 

But it is just Not That. Like obviously those things have happened on the server, fine. 

But lifesteal is far far far more about teammates. Believing that they will have your back. Working together to do cool shit. Trusting each other. 

It’s about commitment and honor and respect and working together on an interesting goal. 

It’s about not screwing over your teammates for a cheap moment that ruins the rest of your relationship on the server. (Mapicc showed this perfectly this week too! He ended the experiments because he’d rather have a teammate than execute a crazy emotional manipulation arc on Zam and really push him over the edge.) 

They sacrifice for each other. They protect each other. They pick each other up when they get killed by their enemies. They encourage them when they’re down. Help them be strong against their fears. Get each other gear and hearts and make sure they’re safe. Spend hours on each other’s arc together in vc all night. 

They lie to OTHERS for their team. They protect the wormhole for months even when they don’t want to or believe in it at all.

They do tiny little things that they know the other person will like just so they know they love them and appreciate them being on the team. They say it too, to each other’s faces. 

It’s about loving each other bro. There’s a massive fucking reason why there’s so much shipping fanart man. They fucking love each other platonically so damn much and so damn perfectly that you can make it romantic and it’s like not even like all that weird.

It makes me so fucking mad that you could boil down this beautiful server into lying and killing and go on it and be like, I heard princezam betrays every team he’s on obviously we should betray everyone and be on the lookout for every single person being a betrayer. 

Zam fucking lost his mind over betraying team awesome and eclipse. He AGONIZED for MONTHS before pulling the trigger for eclipse and he didn’t betray team awesome until after their massive arc together that he was completely loyal to, finished it out as a team, and only when they looked like they weren’t going to give up their unfair advantage did he seek to leave them. And he fought them and left.

The fucking respect he has for a team is insane.

And same goes for Bacon and Mapicc. 

as for others:

Ro only betrays if he gets a better offer (from mapicc) 

Leo betrays when it’s interesting for the story to have a juggernaut.

Spoke betrays only when he has his own bigger plan to execute that will create something interesting for the whole server to encounter. 

Clown only betrays when you go against his morals of creating content by chaos. 

I can’t even think of any notable betrayals from before s5. Most of the server does not betray ever. Most of the server never lies. 

They only lie and betray when it’s for the benefit of the content. 

And that’s what fucking makes me so upset about this. Bacon is doing this arc for the BETTERMENT of the server. He literally says he’s doing it to make other people’s lives on the sever more interesting. It ain’t even about him. He’s not even making a video about this. He just likes to do cool shit on the server because it’s fun to craft an overarching story for everyone to play into.

It’s never been about hearts man. 

The most valuable resource on the server is content. 

And Bacon understands this. In a way that quite possibly could make him a worldender like spoke and clown. He’s really getting into the role of strategizing fun things for the server to do for no other reason than someone has to do it and that it’s good for the server. 

But the new members just do not understand what “for content” means. They just kill randomly. They don’t defend each other. They don’t tell the other teammate to give the heart back bc it’s been proven enough that they’re innocent. They’re constantly suspicious and will only meet if there are no enemies online. 

It’s not about the hearts man. 

It’s about the team.