#agnosticism is the way

[alyceinwonderland777]

People like this user are one of the reasons I left Christianity. My neurons went nuts from the sheer amount of ignorance this comment exudes.

According to this moron's reasoning then his beloved God is also a superstition, right?

Christianity has been trampling on human rights for CENTURIES and these people even have the audacity to say that Christianity is a religion that "professes love".

Unfortunately I realized it late, but as soon as I realized it I ran away without looking back.

I know not all Christians are like this, but I refuse to be part of a cult that tramples human rights.

[kaurwreck]

for the ask game: LILAC CHARCOAL AND RASPBERRY

anon this is so sweet 😭

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[obsessivefangirl]

What's the difference between an atheist and antitheist /gen

[gone-series-orchid]

it’s so funny to think about orc and astrid hanging out in fear and light bc now it’s orc who’s lowkey committed to ensuring astrid’s redemption through religious means and astrid who’s the jaded and depressed ex-christian who thinks she’s beyond saving bc she killed an innocent child

[jesuscrab]

i keep seeing a lot of religious disscusions on my dash lately and i want to take a moment to confess that the main reason i identify as agnostic is becuse i think atheist "culture" is cringe as fuck

[alchemylive]

i feel really aligned with a lot of the core values of humanism, but i also feel that anyone who identifies as a humanist is sort of missing the point. like i think being a humanist is a sort of self-congratulatory, stagnant, liberal, hierarchical state of being. i guess as soon as people start giving awards for being the best humanist it means absolutely nothing to them

[thisisdefinitelyacreativename]

I don't believe in shit I don't believe in fuck all but I also don't NOT believe in shit who am I to say definitively if there's a god or not what???? I am simply a guy. Are there ghosts???? Fuck if I know!? Why are we expected to each decide individually whether we think there's like a higher power?! Um I've never seen god but that doesn't mean she's not out there tf? Stop thinking you know everything you don't know everything

[kamorth]

Agender like Agnostic

Does gender even exist? Something we can CALL gender clearly does but the concept of different genders being different things and not just different points on the same spectrum... is there merit in that? Can we even really decide how gender is defined "objectively" while we have no choice but to exist inside it?

Would we be able to understand if we were staring right at it?

[thesiltverses]

thoughts on trawler man / the saint electric?

I can't stop thinking about them, they'd be so awful for each other and I don't know how a god could have a relationship with another god but come on.

(ship name is holy current, courtesy of the one known as the second visitor)

sorry if this is a bit on the side of crack shipping, but I assure you I am genuine in my zeal!

A serious answer from me would probably be a bit po-faced and unhelpful, because the gods in TSV are written from a position of agnosticism and not meant to be interpreted as tangible entities capable of sexual, familial or romantic relations in that way - and we've tried to make a point of showing that this kind of characterisation in-universe is the province of marketing departments keen to cheaply and reductively anthropomorphise the mysteries of divinity into something relatable to human beings.

so for the sake of not being a spoilsport I'll just stick with: yes, sounds good to me, she should fuck that old man river

[chainofclovers]

Due to word limits, a few explanations:

"Raised religious" = raised in a home where one or more religions were practiced, with at least one parent or guardian who ascribed to those belief systems and practices and taught them to you.

"Raised without religion" = raised in a home in which no one practiced religion but no one was a convicted atheist, either.

"Raised atheist" = raised in a home where at least one parent or guardian who was an atheist taught you that belief system. "Conviction" = religious conviction that matches the religion you were raised in.

"Rel" = religion.

This poll is specifically for agnostic people as opposed to people who practice a specific religion or people who are atheist. If you consider yourself agnostic, please take the poll! I'm curious to learn more--in a very surface-level tumblr poll sort of way--about the way beliefs change over time, whether gradually or suddenly. Feel free to elaborate on your experience with agnosticism, atheism, and religion in the tags.

[mrghostrat]

Do you believe in god? Or did you grow up with religion? And how do you think that effects how you watch good omens?

soo idk if my experience is a common one, but i’ve never believed in god, even though my parents were religious. i was baptised, but have never been to church. i went to a non religious public school, but every wednesday we had a lady come in and teach us bible stories, and every week i dreaded it bc i thought it was dumb and boring (at like 8 years old) and envied my jehovas witness friend who got to go outside and colour in for an hour instead

i’m an atheist who keeps ebbing towards agnosticism. bc the more you learn about the universe the more you realise anything is possible and we just have no fuckin clue what’s going on, so WHO KNOWS really??? but uhhghh yeah i look at the world and the afterlife with a scientific lens— that is, adjusting my worldview based on whatever new evidence arises.

i have honestly stopped thinking about it. because i think we rot back into the earth, but i have no idea what that means for our consciousness. nonexistence is infathomable so i don’t even try anymore ththfhhp

anyway, i like watching good omens this way because it’s all very *shrug* and up in the air and lets you get real silly with it. which i think is the point, just pure silliness. the downside is i’m ridiculously jealous of all the people who just KNOW bible lore to back up their theories and metas and fic backstories, but at least there’s always people on tumblr to tell us what’s what lol

[starlightomatic]

Literally the entire discussion of "can atheist jews particiapte in jewish culture" isnt the point. Im a new york jew, its literally impossible for me in my home town to not engage with jewish culture. The question is are atheist jews looked down on? Are we told we are still in some way believers, because judaism isnt christianity and our made up fairytales are different somehow. Are atheist jews made to feel that being non believers in god is wrong? Are atheist jews constantly talked over by religious believers of any stripe, telling us what actually we are, when we try and say this? Looks like it...

All the "atheist" jews around jumblr talking about "god is everywhere" or "judaism is orthopraxy not hard religion" or some bullshit about agnosticism and trying to parse out a nonexistent difference between the superstitious fairy tale elements of judaism from christian fairy tales, completely missing the forest for the trees, proving my point.

No wonder so many of us identify more as atheists then even culturally jewish, cause all the "cultural jewish atheists" around somehow dont think their belief in superstitious religious practice based on the fairy stories makes them religious.

I mean they’re describing themselves and a lot of them do self-identify as religious

[gemsofgreece]

Taking a course on Greek myths and I'm just curious on how atheism worked in the Greek world considering how entrenched the belief in the gods was. Like would a person not participate in festivals and such? Were they punished for it?

A belief close to what atheism is nowadays existed but it was usually pretty different from how atheism is perceived nowadays. We should keep in mind that atheism is largely founded on scientific progress, therefore it must have been a much rarer phenomenon when science was still in extremely early stages, let alone that the feats of early scientific knowledge were not accessible to 99% members of the ancient societies. This is why when we study ancients who might have in some way or another doubted the established religion of their time (i.e Democritus, Anaxagoras, Epicurus) they are almost always esteemed scientists, philosophers, sophists and so on. I don't think many of the average, everyday people had the scientific backrgound and critical thinking needed to even entertain this ideology.

And what was similar to atheism in antiquity was in fact closer to agnosticism. Rarely, if ever, did the ancient "atheists" reject the existence of the divine completely. What they doubted mostly was whether those gods were indeed the true ones or whether the deities truly interferred with human matters as much as it was usually believed.

There is not much knowledge about how "atheists" or better areligious people were treated, except for Athens, which is known to occasionally banish or even execute such people. A very famous example is the execution of Socrates under the fabricated charge that he rejected the gods of Athens (which was a total lie, Socrates was devout). We don't know much about what happened in other city-states regarding such matters but Athens might as well have been one of the strictest places regarding religion. Athens was also one of the last places in Greece to completely abandon the ancient religion for the sake of Christianity, well into the Byzantine period, which makes me think they were really the most absolute against other religious beliefs or different approaches towards the divine.

The Homeric epics reflect a society in which religion plays the absolute most pivotal role. Mortals could hardly even think without the direct interference of a god who guided them what to say and how to act. I think very slowly Greeks were loosening up about it, with Archaic, Classical and then Hellenistic periods being gradually less and less religiously uptight and strict. This could have to do with their interaction with other nations and cultures. Seeing so many different faiths and beliefs could eventually make them start questiong what the ultimate truth is.

I don't think however everyday people would think much of this or intentionally oppose to rituals and festivals to express their opposite ideology. There certainly were several different approaches towards religion and countless variations in the intensity of the faith, however too few would oppose so strongly. As a result, I don't think punishing someone for atheism / areligiousness was a common phenomenon, especially in later stages of Ancient Greek history.

I have a feeling that by the Roman period, the Romans were more devout than the Greeks. They start getting involved with the gods and their myths more earnestly than the Greeks. Then Christianity spread like wildfire amongst the Greeks or, rather, the Greeks spread it like wildfire so this makes me conclude that the Greeks deep inside had long been in a process of seeking a different worldview, unlike the Romans at the time. But of course this is not atheism, this is lurking agnosticism and then promptly embracing a new, very different religion. I believe the vast majority were spiritual, true atheism must have been extremely rare and even more rarely openly expressed.

[paula-of-christ]

hey I'm an atheist, and I have a question, I'm not sure if this comes off as offensive or anything but if it does I really don't mean it that way.

I saw some things about like... neurodivergent people (autism, ADHD etc) being seen as like people who were possessed by the devil in Christianity. and im just confused because I'm not sure whether all Christians think that neurodivergent people are like possessed and sinned or something, or if it's just those people. sorry if this doesn't make a lot of sense, I'm autistic and I was just wondering what you thought.

That's largely an Evangelical/Fundamentalist Christian idea nowadays. Way back when in medieval times everyone thought that (including other Abrahamic religions) but that was when in general we didn't understand the science behind mental illnesses and other similar diseases or neurodivergency. It really is just those people. Of course you will find a Catholic that also believes that, but the difference is, it is not taught by the Catholic Church, officially or unofficially, and that would be considered private opinions those people hold. Granted, Catholic-Christians still believe in demonic oppression and possession, but we realize that it is much less likely for people to be possessed. Can demons cause symptoms similar to those? Yes, but you have to without a reasonable doubt rule out those neurodivergencies prior to any kind of investigation into the demonic. And at that point, you probably have symptoms that go above and beyond those neurodivergencies.

Now as far as my personal opinion goes, I think depression and anxiety are demonic oppression in much more of an amount of time than we generally give credit for. However it doesn't extend to something like ADHD or autism, I think that's a stretch, my opinion is just based on my experience with depression and my observance of other people's depression and anxiety. Both of those things are almost totally cleared in most of the population by meditation (which a lot of prayer is), focusing on an object, or becoming aware of your surroundings (I cannot for the life of me think of what this is called but it's like, picking out things around you of the different senses). While medication can help, I do believe that the reason we see so much more anxiety now is because of the moving away from traditional religions, which almost all include multiple senses in their forms of worship. It isn't until American Protestantism really kicks off in the 18-19th century that we see these things become real issues, and at that time as well, a rise in anti-theism, rather than just agnosticism or atheism.

[eesirachs]

for a long time now, i've had trouble coming up with an answer if someone asks me if i'm religious. some people assume i'm agnostic, but that's not it- i have way too much faith to be agnostic, and also, i desperately protect my faith in the divine. agnosticism is too rational and unbiased for me.

i've come to the conclusion that it's because when people say "i believe in X" i think they mean "X is the truth" and i don't think in terms of what is true, i just don't care about it that much. if i believe in something or someone, it's because i find it beautiful and moving, because it's touching. and i've come across beautiful things in all religions, it's like i don't want to deprive myself of anything- but i also wish i could commit to one god.

so my question is: what do you think your faith is about, if anything? is it placed in what's true, what's beautiful, both, none?

by the way, your blog is filled with beautiful things 💖 you bring god closer to me, thank you

my faith is narrative, ethical relationships, the god of my grandmother, low mass, holes in my organs, holes outside my organs, the one person i think i will ever love romantically who i lost, and my grief for him. gathering up fragments of things that bring me closer to god. keeping tether

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