#aftg discussion

[aftg-rot]

Andrew Minyard and Obsession ~

I have been having some thoughts about Andrew and his unhealthily intense protective nature over Kevin, and then Neil. His compulsive desire to be the keepers of Aaron and Nicky can be characterised - not entirely, but mostly - by the hyperfixation on finding family after being in the foster system for so long, but the possessiveness to the point of obsession with Kevin, and ultimately with Neil, is different. As Neil says when he was assigned to look after Kevin while Andrew was away, it is possible to do so without becoming his shadow. Neil was realistically achieving the same goals as Andrew, without being with Kevin 24/7.

Because Andrew himself does not seem to have any hobbies, creative outlets or interests that are notable, I like the idea that the intensity in which he follows Kevin and Neil around is his way out of his version of the mundane. Their intense dedication towards many things is enough to break his apathy towards everything. It could be a coincidence that for both Kevin and Neil, and in turn Andrew, it is Exy. In another time and space, it could have been two different things for the two boys. Possibly, in reality Kevin and Neil are right and there is no way that Andrew can be that good at something without having some form of fascination with the sport he "does not care about." But the main factor is that both of them WANT something. They have a deep and contagious passion, they have an underlying drive for their feelings and actions, something Andrew does not have. 

Andrew, whether it is a lingering result of the medication, a trauma response, or simply who he is as a person, feels he cannot connect on any level with anyone else. The only connection he has with Aaron and Nicky is their family relationship, and shared history, but aside from that there is no emotional bond or healthy attachment. Andrew has latched onto Kevin and Neil's want and drive because it was a nice reprieve from the indifference, or a subtle lesson in what wanting and needing feels like. 

Falling for Neil and "wanting" him was probably the first developed emotional connection that Andrew had felt in a long time, with only Kevin's obsessive drive for Exy being a suitable substitute. Andrew's insulting of Neil every time he shows his true single mindedness towards Exy is very rarely said with malice, because deep down, Andrew either appreciates Neil's skill to remain driven during times of trauma, or is envious of both Neil and Kevin's ability to have such a force in their lives that makes it worth something.

It is mentioned that Neil offers Andrew his obsession to hold Andrew over until he finds one of his own, but I really think that is what happens. But not just his obsession with Exy, but both Kevin and Neil's ability to persevere and connect with other people, in both positive and negative ways despite what has happened to them. Andrew's codependent way of interacting with specific people is his way of attempting to fit in with the world around him emotionally, and co-opting his closest relationships' interests and obsessions is a method of connecting in an interpersonal way.

[kevinsdsy]

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the trojans social media au (pt. 36): EVERYONE SAY THANK YOU @kevindavidday FOR LEAVING ME INSPIRED WITH THE JEREJEAN MESSAGES bc i wasnt sure what i wanted to do and if i wanted jean to confront jeremy about using his words and then she connected it with kevjean and i was SOLD also thank you for listening to me when i’m talking about the au and throwing silly ideas your way hehe

also the last tweet about andrew breaking riko’s arm is credited to @tardisscreechsound who came w this idea in my chats hehe!! thank you omg 🫂🩷

[adamsrcnan]

It's official. I have finished The Sunshine Court. I have so many things to say and yet have no idea what to possibly say. It was perfect. It was absolutely perfect and heartbreaking and gut wrenching and an insane emotional roller coaster and everything i could possibly have asked for from Nora. Like she really truly delivered and i'm so fucking INSANELY grateful she has shared this story with us after all these years. We do not deserve her.

[kevindavidday]

how fast do you think andrew clocked that jean had feelings for kevin? how pissed off do you think he was when he remembered his own stupid boy crush era for kevin?

[blue-jos10]

do you think kevin ever said the ‘easier to remain heterosexual’ line to jean only to get stared at in silent and pure disgust because how are you saying that the morning after sneaking out in your pajamas to jean’s room giggling and kicking your feet because you’re pulling an all-nighter to watch jeremy knox’s ass game

[aalyre]

too many people forget that kevin grew up in the nest. like. we all see jean as this shattered broken beyond repair boy. but kevin is a coward?

[attineilde]

aaron minyard after finding out he is the only straight one in andrew's group:

[feelingthedisaster]

its embarrasing how obssesed im with kevin day. what am i supposed to tell people i do in my free time? think about that guy?

[catlaila]

as someone who is heavily fixated on college basketball and f1 i can assure you that people would absolutely be making edits of the foxes. i know for a fact that people would be OBSESSED with how messy neil is. the tiktoks on the infamous neil-riko beef starting from kathy’s show. the neil-kevin edits. did you know ive never been skiing interview would’ve had him trending for a full WEEK. riko fans would be scaryyyy and i know allison would be itching to give a bitchy reply if renee hadn’t taken her phone away so she wouldn’t make any comments to piss off raven fans anymore than they would’ve.

i don’t think andrew would be that popular at first but i think there’s a time where someone manages to dig up part of the twin’s past and it goes a bit viral so wymack tries to put him in front of a camera (horrible decision. they will never be doing that again until andrew’s forced to in his professional career). unfortunately for wymack this interview goes insanely viral bc andrew is physically incapable of not being cunty and now there are andrew edits. nicky sends all of them to neil, because nicky is terrified to actually show andrew, and neil is like hmm. well. hmm. and then watches them for hours

[wickedwitchofthewesninski]

Drunk Kevin: That's a nice argument, why don't you back it up with a source

Even drunker Aaron, standing on top of the kitchen table: my source is that I mADE IT THE FUCK UP

[foxstens]

unpopular opinion but i don't think aaron is any more 'normal' than the other foxes

[yourleftpinkytoe-blog]

I really want to address some shit that’s been on my mind recently. (This could be applicable to all fandoms but I’ll be taking specifically about the aftg fandom)

I really don’t like how some of you talk to people regarding shipping. Like I get not liking a ship. I myself can’t stand Andrew and Neil being shipped with Kevin. i always pictured Neil and Kevin having like a sibling dynamic and maybe Andrew thinking Kevin’s hot but nothing ever comes from it. Now I know I don’t enjoy content that contains this ship. So what do I do, I IGNORE IT. Rather than harass people for enjoying something I’m not a fan of (like some people) I just don’t interact. It’s not hard to scroll past something if you don’t like it.

I’ve seen so much shit discrediting and shit talking people who just don’t share your opinion. Like with ReneexJean, bro from the text we have it’s basically canon. Why are some people (cough cough jerjean shippers cough cough) just dismissing it so hard. Like just say you would rather read about two male characters WHO HAVEN’T TALKED EVEN ONCE ON PAGE then the border line canon straight ship. (Ik ik but tsc hasn’t been released yet im only talking about what we currently have canon wise)

No hate to jerjean I’m just using it to make a point. But I could also bring up the stuff with Thea and Kevin. They are canonically together. If you don’t like it FUCKING IGNORE IT. You don’t have to shit talk Thea because you don’t want her with Kevin. You don’t have to harass people who ship her and kevin. You can just scroll past it.

Idk why people feel the need to make everything about them but Holly shit I’m so tired of people not understanding the concept of not being an asshole over fictional people.

Don’t even get me started on how some of yall talk about Nora. Like bitch. SHES THE GOD DAMB AUTHOR. She could write anything about her characters and it doesn’t matter how much you bitch or moan that shits canon. Ignore it if you hate it that much but don’t harass her or talk down to her for literally giving us more information about the characters we love.

Some of yall are just so entitled and it makes me want to rip my hair out.

Anyway :b here’s some silly Kevin art I did in class<3

[atlalasassy]

It’s stated at the end of The Sunshine Court (the part where we get all the characters names) that the Trojans have a mascot, but we never find out what that mascot is - what could a mascot for the Trojans be??

[be-queer-do-arson]

I know that Dan said she made the foxes color orange so that they couldn't be ignored, but personally I think the real reason was that she had a beef with Allison in her first year and Dan picked the color she thought would annoy her the most

[theseyellowdays]

Can we talk about the fact that its yes — or no. Not just yes, question mark. Yes. Or. No. From the onset Andrew makes sure either of them can back out anytime and completely overrides the possibility of either of them taking advantage of the situation through omission. Yes. Or. No. Pick one, don't twist the language for your advantage

[dvrcos]

The twinyards arguing