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navree · 2 years
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i figured out the problem with the hotd fandom: 90% of it doesn’t understand the basic concept of mixed emotions
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randomfoggytiger · 5 months
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My thoughts on the Chris Carter discourse.
I think I sit on the fence regarding the gendered violence issue in The X-Files. Yet, I also recognize CC's shortcomings-- pouring his energy into being a provocateur rather than a coherent show writer.
**Note**: Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. This is mine.
The show's violence against women isn't skewered in a sexist, one-way direction to me: gendered violence is perpetrated against both sexes equally; and the male cast and crew even joked about Mulder constantly getting beat up or tortured during CC's mytharc episodes. Not only that, but children and men as well as women are kidnapped or abducted and raped (or mind raped) and tortured and killed in equal measure.
The problem begins and ends, I believe, with Chris's ego. He views his show as a SHOW, not a beloved series cherished by fans. To him, Mulder and Scully and their children are literal paper dolls he created and played (plays) with like the Sims-- lighting them on fire, putting them through insane or ridiculous scenarios, and always resetting them back to normal at the end.
The "problem" is, the fans do not see Mulder and Scully as Sims models (pardon the references, got into the game lately) but as living, breathing characters with blood, sweat, and tears poured into their portrayals. Gillian took the role seriously and wanted it to make sense; and fans felt her passion and dedication, and honored the years she put in at her own inconvenience (over and over.)
David doesn't mind following CC's creative vision-- he views art differently than GA, and that's just fine, too. The difference is (I believe): Chris Carter honors David's viewpoint because it aligns with his own; but sloughs off, ignores, or discredits Gillian's because it opposes his.
Chris Carter has an ego (he does, it is what it is); and that rubs audiences the wrong way when they contrast his actions towards DD (letting him read scripts earlier than Gillian, likely knowing David'll give a "wow, interesting" rather than outright critical remark) and GA (who sacrificed a lot to come back and was pretty much ignored every step of the way, even now.) David shrugs off what Chris writes for his character-- which is fine, that's his prerogative-- while Gillian does not-- which is also fine, that's her prerogative. Chris, however, does not treat them equally.
I say this not to hate on Chris. I dislike him, but I respect the characters, show, and world of The X-Files. All things being fair, it was his brainchild.
However: every person that will ever exist has their own perspective, feelings, and emotions regarding what they do or don't love. Fans and Gillian wanted The X-Files to make sense, to honor its characters, to craft an unforgettable journey between two unforgettable characters. Chris Carter did not-- which, again, is fine. But where he continues to fail is by throwing jabs at perspectives other than his own.
Because when you create a timeline that makes no logical sense (powered by plot twists that also make no logical sense) and expect your lead actress and fans who have spent time and energy and money on your franchise not to give you criticism or express their disappointment (and even anger)-- and, further, imply they "don't get it" or aren't "real fans" because of said criticisms-- then...
That's where you (Chris Carter) have a problem.
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ventique18 · 1 year
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~ Random twst things about me that I've never posted here ~
I have a separate OC that I ship with Silver... A year younger than him and they're the really really sweet and wholesome type that I like to imagine when I'm stressed. 🥹 I made them as a direct contrast to my chaotic personal MalleYuu lol.
Malleus and Silver are the only characters I've made OCs for. They're very dear to me.
I like Leona with another one of the guys. They're my 3rd liked pair below MalleYuu and Sil/OC.
Idia is my top 2 fave but I've never simped for him. He's a precious lil guy in my heart.
My main Yuu is both male and female-- like how the magical Tensen are in Hell's Paradise.
A bit smut-ish but I think Malmal enjoys being sub and dom in equal measure lol. Though I think his favorite is when he can bite Yuuyuu's nape while going at it. 🤭
I'm actually so grateful for the existence of Meleanor/Levan or even Meleanor/Lilia because I just want to see old people content lol, platonic or not. I don't necessarily ship them but I find them refreshing. < might sound odd from the post I made some weeks ago but language facts and my personal feelings are completely separate topics.
It's rare for me to stan the first character that catches my attention, but that's what happened with Malleus and I'm so glad for it.
I used to dislike characters with animal/monster traits but twst completely baptized me omfg. 😭🤣
Malleus is the one who pulled me out of a year of depression. 🥲 He will always have a place in my heart.
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franstastic-ideas · 5 months
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Being a Volo x Akari shipper that's squicked out by the dead dove stuff is like trying to navigate a minefield.
On one side of the minefield, there's people who automatically assume my work must be dead dove as well because I enjoy the pairing, and even though my Akari is aged up, they still equate this with a certain word which starts with 'p' and ends in 'a' when it is quite literally the opposite.
On the other side of the minefield, there's the producers and consumers of the dead dove stuff who approach me believing the reason why I age up Akari is because I'm simply nervous about engaging with such material and need to be liberated from the antis.
"It's okay. You can write about that stuff. It's just fiction, and the age gap makes it spicier."
Just because I can write about something doesn't mean I want to.
The reason why I dislike the dead dove stuff so, so much is it completely goes against the core of Volo's character - a man who was driven mad by the atrocities that exist in the world. Not to mention how these works reduce Akari to a helpless damsel.
Akari could have killed Volo if she wanted to, easily, and gotten away with it too - and I will die on this hill.
(And what sounds "spicy" to me is Akari being two years older than Volo so he should use the -senpai honorific when referring to her, but he swaps it out for -sama instead because he's totally lovesick-)
And that's not even getting into what occurs when you add wanting Volo to be redeemed into the equation.
What exactly is so offensive about acknowledging Volo's nuance and then allowing him to learn from his mistakes and receive a happy new beginning with the woman he loves?
In all honesty, both sides of the minefield infuriate me in equal measure.
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September Bitties
Introducing the newest set of bitties to join QHAC for September!
Applewood (Cheesetale Asriel) Named for their smoky scent, Applewood bitties are primarily pale yellow-furred bitties with orange splotches all over their body in a cou clair pattern. They also have hair in addition to fur, which is more orange than blonde though it does feature some pale yellow patches here and there. With most Applewoods being young, they either do not have horns or are only starting to have their horns grow in. They are soft-hearted but not good judges of character, willing to trust those who shouldn't be trusted. These young Applewoods aren't quite masters of fire magic yet, able to only create smoke which they will use either for dramatic entry or to hide when they're feeling shy (in some cases even both). The older ones often develop a more solid frame reminiscent of their fathers' side, though not quite as tall when they hit adulthood. An Applewood's favorite food generally tends to be cheese tarts with honey, though there are some variants; others prefer cheddar-baked biscuits instead.
Friulano (Cheesetale Flowey) Easily the tallest of the Pocket Flowey types at a whopping four inches tall, Friulanos are recognized via their pale yellowish-white petals, thick stem, and sturdy leaves. Due to their sturdy nature, they can go long periods without eating or drinking should they happen to wind up out in the wild for whatever reason. They have a faint nutty smell to them reminiscent of hazelnuts, and typically a rather down-to-earth sort of personality. However, they tend to get quite angry and resentful when disappointed; their anger comes out in snappish remarks and petty albeit often personal insults. They can be pacified with cheesy offerings, especially of their namesake, though they strongly dislike anything with visible mold in it or on it (such as blue cheeses) and equally non-receptive to sour-scented or sour-flavored food. Friulano types can't exactly cook, but they'll never refuse a good grilled cheese. These bitties also prefer to be mobile, though it's recommended to keep an eye on them as they possess trouble-making tendencies.
Swirls (Megalosomnia Sans) Extremely intelligent and ambitious, these bitties often tend to be workaholics. They are incapable of sleeping, resulting in perpetual exhaustion yet despite their best efforts they aren't capable of taking naps quite so easily as other Sans types (something which they are secretly envious of). Like many others, they have a very close relationship with their brothers and will ensure said sibling's happiness regardless of what measures they might have to take. Swirls bitties have quite potent hypnosis magic which they will utilize frequently unless told otherwise (and sometimes even if they are told, if they feel that their brother is in danger). They can hold multiple monsters under their thrall at once, though not quite so many as their larger counterpart. Swirls bitties do have an air of superiority that can rub other bitties the wrong way at times, but to their credit they do have the confidence as well as the knowledge to back it up. Swirls types have a rather macabre sense of humor, and rarely make puns.
Gene (Megalosomnia Papyrus) Well-versed in political matters and quite competent in quelling conflicts that escalate into physical fights, Gene bitties are quite strong. They don't sleep much, but more so than their brothers. However, they don't spend as much time together with said brothers as other Papyrus types might due to their brothers being workaholics (which often results in Gene bitties becoming quite lonely and mourning about how busy their brothers are). Despite their strength, these Bittybones are still averse to using violence when they can avoid it and will often instead separate the two parties via whatever means necessary until they can calm down and won't hesitate to use blue magic to achieve this feat. They also tend to be worriers, especially when it comes to their brothers' welfare, and while not the greatest of cooks they won't hesitate to bring their brothers meals if they skip out for whatever reason. It's not uncommon for Genes to be quite fond of dogs.
(Megalosomnia belongs to @megalommi on Tumblr, go check them out for more info on the AU!)
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hxhhasmysoul · 5 months
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what do you think about netero HxH. Do you like him or hate him?
I like him as a character but not as a person. His backstory really sheds a lot of light on why the Hunter Organisation is what it is. His training routine and journey from his youth shows how extremely individualistic and obsessive he was. And he’s looking for the same vibe in hunters he lets join his organisation. 
The fact that he had Pariston as his vice president, or that he allowed individuals like Hisoka and Illumi into the organisation, shows that in his mind drive is the utmost characteristic, regardless of what the individual is driven to do.
It’s very interesting who he considered candidates with the least potential in the Hunter’s Exam arc. The potential was measured in how many chances the participants got to pass the final stage. 
Illumi and Leorio had only one, Killua and Bodoro two. 
Bodoro we know nothing about and he becomes irrelevant very quickly so he can’t be taken into account here.
Both Illumi and Killua are Zoldycks. And one might think that Netero considers them dangerous and thinks they shouldn’t be hunters, but like we see what kinda people are in Greed Island, we have Pariston. Also Hisoka is considered with more potential that the four mentioned above, and Hanzo is seen as having equal potential to Gon, and Hanzo has bragged about being a seasoned killer. So being a killer doesn’t bother Netero, at least not small scale killers who are humans. He also has no problem with Illumi taking his kid brother back to the Zoldyck estate, and Netero surely knows what goes on there, he knew Zigg, he’s buddies with Zeno.
What I think he dislikes about the Zoldycks is their lack of individualism. They are a clan and they are extremely family oriented, most of them in the most toxic ways possible. They have no individualistic drive to make them hunt for something in their life. They are oriented towards the cohesion of their family group. 
Killua wants to leave them but Netero likely sees the needle in Killua’s head and knows Killua is too weak and controlled, thus his potential is lowered. Killua is also very bratty during the exam and shows he’s a quitter in the “take the ball away from Netero” game. 
With Leorio I think he doesn’t like Leorio’s true motivation that Leorio reveals to Kurapika during the run phase. Leorio is motivated towards the group, he doesn’t want the money for himself. I feel if Leorio was simply greedy, Netero would’ve seen more potential in him. 
And then there’s Beyond, who’s kinda similar to his father but also no one knew about him. So likely estranged from his father. It’s hard to judge what’s there but when Togashi explores Beyond more, we will likely see deeper into Netero too. 
I think Netero really fits into the HxH world but he’s a questionable force in it and to me at least kinda a dick, very much the syndrome of the strongest with that one. He did save humanity from the ants through self sacrifice, and that is a huge positive. But everything else feels much more mixed. Even his defeat of the ants might not be permanent because fuck knows what Pariston is planning with those eggs and his ability to obtain the said eggs existed only due to Netero propping Pariston up.
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bonerot19 · 5 months
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🛼 🥤 🪐 🍬 ?
ask game
🛼 ⇢ describe your latest wip with five emojis
this would be someday, as it currently exists in my head, I think: 👨🏻‍🍼⚡️🔪🚬🔫
🥤 ⇢ recommend an author or fanfic you love
I adore @kindlingkeen as both a buddy and a writer. the action scenes in her series Asymmetrical Warfare are top tier, and the emotion and angst is fantastic. plus, she leaves wonderful comments on things she reads. 10/10 inspired me to leave better/more comments on fics
🪐 ⇢ name three good things going on in your life right now
1. I went back to school last fall and I currently have a 3.98 GPA
2. I've gotten into Formula 1 over the past year or so, and made a friend at school because of it
3. I have a stable roof over my head and food in my fridge and my partner and I both have pretty stable jobs. my landlord doesn't suck and my boss is cool and I have the luxury of some disposable income. I take none of these things for granted
🍬 ⇢ post an unpopular opinion about a popular fandom character
oh, I don't know. I'm not entirely sure what an unpopular opinion would be in this fandom. people seem to like and dislike all takes in equal measure. maybe it would be that I find canon Tim Drake a lot more interesting than the uwu'd, wet paper towel he's often portrayed as in fanon. but, as always, to each their own
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joons · 1 year
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Anime and Kindness
@sweetsassymusic sent this message to me. 
I’m currently trying to sort my feelings on a troubling anime I watched that I both loved and hated. It’s an anime I think you’ve seen (and possibly disliked?) if I remember right, so I was wondering if you had any thoughts that might help me put it in perspective.
The anime is Puella Magi Madoka Magica. (Big spoilers ahead.)
The show is filled with good-hearted girls who want to fight for justice, help others, and make the world a better place. But the more they try to do this, the more they’re punished for it. More importantly, the ways they are punished for it make it seem like a purposeful thing. Like the show is saying they deserve punishment for trying to do good, that trying to help people is selfish or stupid, and they need to grow out of that desire. Meanwhile, characters who exploit others and care only for themselves are faring much better.
It’s not an accident either. Real statements I’ve seen by the creators, active fans and prominent reviewers state that, “The characters are naïve enough to believe that every magical girl should use their power to help people” and “The girls’ strong sense of justice is their downfall” and “Being more honest than everyone else also makes the girls weaker than everyone else. They don’t think properly about right and wrong.” and that the show forces viewers “to question whether there is really such a thing as a selfless act, and that kindness can lead to greater tragedy.“
It would be one thing if it were urging viewers to be kind in a “smart” way (i.e. be kind but protect yourself, don’t trust everyone, learn to say no to people, etc.). But sometimes it feels like this show is condemning kindness as a whole, because no matter how “smart” the girls on the show try to be with their kindness, things still get worse for them. Like having ideals at all is too idealistic, and you need to repent of it all or you’re destined to fail.
There’s even a cosmic rule Kyubeh talks about where the universe balances itself through an equal measure of kindness and cruelty, so if you try to add more kindness to the world, you will eventually be forced to add more cruelty as well so the universe can re-balance. So, because the world needs balance, too much kindness is a bad thing, and cruelty is good because it’s a balancing factor?
On the surface, it seems like the writers want people to give up on the idea of kindness as a goal, and instead think of it as a nice little thing you do occasionally (as long as it’s not too big a kindness!) as you focus on the real everyday goal of ensuring your survival. But if this was what they really intended, they wouldn’t have ended the anime like they did: with Homura doubling down on the need to fight for justice in the world because it’s a world for which Madoka was willing to sacrifice herself, so it must be worth it to keep fighting. But why fight for justice when doing so is “naive”, imbalances the world, leads to further cruelty that might otherwise not happen, and is ultimately in vain? The show condemns the girls for their ideals. It also condemns them when they abandon those ideals. And it doesn’t seem to offer a third path. What is it suggesting people do?
Part of me wants to just dismiss the show as weird, wrong and overly cynical of the world. But at the same time, the show is so well-done, the events laid out so realistically. It felt honest, like this really is what would happen to these girls if this situation was real. And there’s been so many times in real life that I or others I know have been in that situation, where we’re trying to help people or make the world better, and we’re being “smart” about it, and it still blows up so bad that maybe we shouldn’t have bothered. The people we tried to help are worse off, we’re worse off. It’s clear we’re supposed to learn something from this. But what?
I have actually not seen this anime, but I have friends who had complicated feelings about it. The main thing I know about it is how brutal it is, how it totally upends the usually glittery, safe world of magical girls. It’s difficult to take it out of its context as a response to that genre; it’s critiquing whatever “power fantasy” drives most magical girl stories that don’t deal with violence, PTSD, or body horror/transformation like this series does. There are probably some cultural barriers that hit differently for audiences not already steeped in some of those narratives. I can see how the grimdark, torturous storyline feels as though it is punishing a genre that is intentionally feminine and positive, as if those stories ever claimed to be able to solve all the problems of the world. It can feel like knocking down a strawman, or using the wrong genre as a tool to talk about unrelated themes.
In writing this post, though, I came across two quotes from the head writer, Gen Urobuchi, that I think will shed light on the intention of the series. While I have not seen Puella Magi Madoka Magica, I am very familiar with Urobuchi’s other signature series, Psycho-Pass, a cyberpunk dystopian anime. Both series are meditations on power, free will, and morality.
The first quote is an interview Urobuchi gave with the publication Asahi Shimbun.
Madoka Magica is an original story. Where did the idea come from?
I received a request to write a bloody story where magical girls appear, and then drop out one by one. I paid attention to the aspects that are troubling or overlooked in the traditional magical girl genre. I’ve been thinking that magical girls who have acquired superhuman abilities will find themselves removed from the world, which would cause contradictions and reactions.
Magical girls, who are full of hope and who strive to save the people, soon suffer from hatred and jealousy, which turn them into the enemy witches. The change from good to evil left an emotional impact.
For example, Al-Qaeda brought down the Twin Towers due to their self-righteousness. Justice for some people is an evil for others. Good intentions, kindness, and hope will not necessarily make people happy. (X)
The second is a Blaise Pascal quote that Urobuchi uses in the opening scenes of Psycho-Pass.
Justice is subject to dispute. Might is easily recognized and is not disputed. So we cannot give might to justice.
Both of these are bleak. The Al-Qaeda reference probably misidentifies the issue (Al-Qaeda has never pretended to be “kind”!) and just generally doesn’t work as an analogy. But he seems to be saying that possessing power separates you from the world in an irrevocable way. The only limits on what you can do are self-imposed principles, or possibly a karmic rebalancing that always brings you down to earth again. These themes often come up in superhero stories, which can either be framed in positive, aspirational terms (“with great power comes great responsibility”) or as deconstructions (“if God is all-powerful, he cannot be all-good, and if God is all-good, he cannot be all-powerful” — Lex Luthor, quoting Hume and Epicurus, on Superman). I am very drawn to those stories on how we can do good without having perfect knowledge of what good is. When Urobuchi places these questions into a magical girl anime, he purposefully decides to uncouple the idea of “hope” and “justice” with personal happiness. In most stories, characters are rewarded for choosing to do the right thing; we assume that any selfless act naturally makes you more at peace with yourself (with good reason, I think). But Urobuchi is preoccupied with the question of how we can separate goodness from good feelings. Do we know the difference? How would separating these concepts alter our moral choices? Is personal happiness what matters, or would we still do “good” even if we were never rewarded for it? 
This paper suggests Puella Magi Madoka Magica should also be read in fairytale terms (making an ill-advised deal with a creature whose intent you can’t sense). In that case, the message is against making decisions without weighing the implications, and to make that point, it has to move these characters into an environment where there are no failsafes against their actions. Even if they think they’re doing the right thing, even if it is the right thing, that does not mean the world or the cruel people around them will reward them for it, narratively, materially, spiritually. PMMM takes magical girls seriously, coding them as soldiers in a war they believe is justified. It then uses their journey to talk about how our beliefs about our own goodness can blind us to unintended consequences. It is difficult to balance the idea of goodness against our imperfect understanding of it, but knowing a bit about Urobuchi, I think that is what he intends.
It could also be that PMMM interrogates kindness specifically because it goes unquestioned in other magical girl animes. By using magical girls as the thematic vehicle, “kindness” becomes weighted as perhaps one of the socially accepted reasons why girls in this genre might admit to wanting power. Their good intentions cloak what could be (not necessarily is) a more ambitious, selfish (or self-actualizing) desire to ensure their actions have meaning. And when you’re caught between what you say you want and what you really need deep down, that creates the necessary conditions for someone to take advantage and give you powers you don’t understand, as happens in PMMM. It’s the rush to bargain parts of themselves away that could be truly troubling. 
I think what PMMM wants to know – as other deconstructed superhero stories have – is how we can wield power without constantly questioning ourselves. Is doing kindness worth it, even knowing that cruelty will always grow too? This is something that superheroes need to have an answer for, and by the end of PMMM, one character thinks that the answer is YES. Maybe that’s foolish, but there’s something gritty and inspiring about a lone figure trying to stand against a cruel world, a world that will never give them any recognition for what they’re doing and may very well kill them. Berserk does something really similar; the main character is probably crazy, is fighting a hopeless quest, but he has devoted himself to becoming a weapon against utter chaos and meaninglessness. It costs him his humanity, in many ways, but that’s one way of creating an ubermensch, a magical girl, a folk hero. It’s as if these series press all the life out of their characters and say, “Now, NOW, you are worthy of that power and that respect, when you are no longer in the equation at all.” It’s probably based more in the still nirvana of Eastern philosophies and religion, the complete erosion of the self. Again, there’s something like … awe-inspiring about that, even if it ends in disaster for them. It commands respect because there are no alternate reasons they could be doing this anymore. They are martyrs to an ideal that doesn’t even make sense in a world where kindness and cruelty are always one-upping each other. There doesn’t seem to be a point. But the characters who stare it down and do it anyway are interesting. It makes us consider a new way of doing things ourselves, to strive to face down the world’s problems and wrestle with our own preconceptions about it. And if these hero figures give up or adjust their tactics, then that’s important too, because they humble themselves enough to recognize that some of their very good actions can be disastrous for others. Without complete omnipotence, they can never know what the downstream effects of saving one person over another will be, so a big dose of humility is something they have to have to handle the weight of those choices.
PMMM also explores this through upsetting imagery and explicit gore. Horror can be a genre that punishes deviant behavior in characters (teen sexuality often being a target for horror film serial killers), but it can also be a way of exploring motivations that seem in tension with one another. The brutality might be a way of showing the anxiety we - and maybe girls in particular - have about whether we are doing the right thing for the right reason. It might not be literally true, but we feel that we have to test it. Maybe the answer of “I want to keep helping people” even after going through such horrible violence means more than it did for this character at the beginning. The character accepts that she is not doing it for personal glory or vanity or for fun. She may get no tangible reward out of it, but she still believes it’s worth doing. It might not be pointed “punishment” the narrative is doing, but rather a generalized kind of suffering, something that strips away all possible naivete, which gives the character an almost iron will that proves they are worthy of the power. From the Urobuchi quote tying his themes to terrorism, it also seems like the series is showing a straightforward modernist skepticism against metanarratives where your values come pre-wrapped for you. There are strands of thought that see all received morality - like religion, tradition, “gut instinct” - skeptically like this, believing it always leads to blind obedience, fanaticism or selfish righteousness. I don’t agree with that necessarily, but I do find that there’s a worthwhile place for stories that try to see whether a hero or a certain type of moral system is recognizable after taking it apart and testing it intensely. It can be reaffirming once you’ve put it back together, or, if it’s more of a grim, uncomfortable narrative, it can raise questions that can help us better articulate what our non-negotiables are.
In Psycho-Pass, the characters, who are mostly police officers, are constantly forced to compromise their beliefs, and they have to navigate their roles in an oppressive, dystopian system that often seems to overwrite free will, where people are imprisoned whenever their emotions are “clouded” or heightened, which the system believes makes them more likely to commit crimes. Some of the characters come to the conclusion that the system might be “for the best,” or that it’s a necessary evil for the time being. It’s deliberately uncomfortable, but I don’t find it nihilistic. It explores the world from multiple perspectives, so there’s not one correct response that the narrative supports. Every episode basically raises an increasingly complex moral quandary for the human characters to deal with, while the central computer system that runs the country makes the final decision for them. So it asks things like, who are the victims in a world that judges your likelihood of committing a crime based on how upset you are? Is it ever a kindness to put someone out of their misery? Is murder worth it if it helps humanity regain its agency? By doing the unthinkable, are we actually allowing ourselves to think? It explores these questions by evoking and discussing famous philosophers and writers at length. The characters with the purest, most rigid morals tend to not do well in the system because they see it as grotesque and alienating, and they either wind up killed or exiled or unwillingly subsumed into it, losing parts of their identity. The most successful characters are the ones who can adapt and use cold calculus to fight the system into deadlock, or the ones who just go along to get along. In this world, “doing good” is constantly being diluted into a utilitarian calculation, and the series says so much about censorship and complicity without feeling like it’s saying there’s no point to trying to solve these problems. The fight is always an option. The characters’ sense of justice is their own, even if they cannot execute it, even if they are frustrated by their own doubts and the implacable force they’re up against. It’s a great series, and I kind of want to check out PMMM now that I know it’s the same guy. I think in general he approaches his work as someone who doesn’t have the answers. Some people won’t like narratives that just generate constant questions and seemingly offer no solution, but maybe that is better than being given the wrong answer. It wants you to fight to find the answer through experience.
I doubt Urobuchi is saying “never tweet” or “never care.” Even giving into nihilism is too didactic, too simple, for someone questioning everything. He just wants to probe things until they seem not very appealing, and then ask if you still want it. And even if we reject that as a false choice/dichotomy, it still helps us articulate that and helps us accept that our choices do have consequences we can’t always see. And to be at least humble and open about that. Very modernist. 
Anyway, you might like Psycho-Pass because it never pretends it’s going to be anything other than a grimdark cyberpunk story, so it’s less of a bait and switch. Another “dark” magical girl anime is Princess Tutu, which takes you to the brink of tragedy and allows the hope to shine all the brighter because of it. I love Princess Tutu so, so much, it’s sort of meta about the art of stories and whether life will ever be as perfect as our imagination can be, and while it can be harrowing, it’s absolutely a kind series that gives so much power and weight to emotions and stories and healing and being seen and ahhhhh. It sounds like it does much more to reconstruct itself and align with the genre’s true themes than PMMM does. And in general I prefer those kinds of stories; I think movies like The Last Jedi or Batman v. Superman did this wonderfully, but some people don’t want to be taken on that deconstructive journey in the first place, especially if they don’t know where it will land by the end, especially if it’s a genre or a world they already love because it already makes a positive case for the thing and doesn’t need to endlessly question and doubt itself. Anyway, without seeing PMMM I can only guess at what it’s attempting to do. I’d have to experience it myself to see if it’s successful or not, but I think it will almost change the viewing experience if you know going in that it’s going to do this. 
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hideyseek · 8 months
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okay well i was doing something else (liveblogging me watching guardian episode 23) and i started writing a post that "quoted" the show, then second-guessed my translation, and then spent literally two hours thinking about how to translate the preceding sentence. oops. this post is so long but also was SO fun.
ok so the full ... thing that zhao yunlan says is: 他这个人呀,个性太深沉. 喜欢哑巴吃黄连. 所以我只能等着了, 等到他苦到心头, 苦到他自己说出来为止. i'm only actually translating the first sentence, bc it took me like two hours and i need to go to bed. that first sentence is: 他这个人呀,个性太深沉. the 他 (he) in this sentence refers to shen wei.
uh. direct translation (literal translation? idk what this is called) would be something like: he, this person, personality too [adjective]. just to give some sense of structure, bc i have translation opinions about this later.
first off, this adjective. 沈沉 (shen1 chen2) means both "deep, profound" and "undemonstrative, reserved", according to pleco. i'm willing to bet that the line is meant to describe shen wei with both meanings. my best translation includes the word "fathom". "hard to fathom" or "fathomless" — i think that leans toward both the "depth" part and the lack of knowing/understanding, though describing someone as "fathomless" conveys the distance of "reserved" from the other direction: a distance to breach rather than a distance created. i'll accept this only because zhao yunlan, rather than shen wei, is the one speaking (well also becaue there is not another english word i know that can do this lol.) also, the bit i'm most thrilled about with this word choice: both characters (沈沉) in the original phrase have the water radical, and 沉 used as a verb means "to sink" (as an adjective it means "heavy"). historically (but modern-day in usa english only apparently), a fathom is a unit (equal to 6 feet) used to measure water depth, which pleasantly mirrors the deep water that the original phrase invokes to me.
and then the matter of preserving the cadence of the original line. lol. lmao, even. in my mind, part of what i'm valuing as a translator is giving an actor the same amount of time to work with when speaking. does this matter to other people? probably not. if this was written down i would probably value something else. but i'm the one writing the world's longest post about this, and bai yu said it, so.
initially i thought something like: "he's— he's too fathomless a person." the added dash because i couldn't think of another way to give the reader or actor the space of "这个人呀", which directly translated is like "this person" and here in the line i think is just a way to lend emphasis to "他" (he). but the dash could also force an actor into playing hesitation on the line when it's not originally present -- the way bai yu says this, it comes across meandering/pondering. (screams)
ok fast forwarding to after i chewed on this stick for way too long, bc it got late and i wasn't that structured about thinking about it anymore. it became a sort of "brute force it and then identify what i dislike about this translation and try to fix it." i'm going with: "he's such a fathomless person, that guy." (admittedly, this is without translating the other sentences of this bit that zhao yunlan is saying. in full context / going into the next sentence i might tweak it later.) analysis (justification? lol) follows:
the addition of "that guy" emphasizes the "he" of the first phrase and lengthens the whole line without making it more formal (more difficult than i expected!) in a way that mirrors the "这个人呀" of the original line. this is the "giving an actor enough words to work with" thing. just "he's such a fathomless person" is much more direct than the original line. but with this translation, there is an added distance between the speaker and the object of the sentence. in the original line, zhao yunlan says "这个人", meaning literally "this person", but in the sentence i feel like it's being used as more like, "this example" ("he", shen wei). either way, to me there's a nearbyness/presence conveyed. but it didn't feel right to maintain the use of "this" when shen wei isn't in the room (actually i have no idea if he is even in the building), and also in english when speaking generally about a person, i feel like it's more ... fluid(??) to say "that guy" than "this guy" (though truthfully writing this post has made me doubt my grasp of english about seven times so i'm really not so sure anymore). anyway, the point is, i compromised with "that guy".
we also lose the directness of zhao yunlan commenting specifically on shen wei's character/personality, since the original line is phrased as, "his personality/character is too [adjective]", but i'm satisfied with how much of that idea is retained with this translation. i also don't want to prioritize including the word "personality" over mirroring the cadence of the translation (when this would also cost us the secondary meaning of "character"). and, when including an extra word to capture this meaning (ie, the word "personality"), i couldn't figure out a way to juggle both the "too/overmuch" meaning of 太 and the natural-sounding two-part structure to the original line. "his personality is too/so fathomless" / "he's too fathomless a person" both don't sound quite right to me, but "he's too hard to fathom" emphasizes this idea of difficulty/prior attempt that both isn't present in the original line and doesn't really feel in character for zhao yunlan at this point. by now shen wei has already described zhao yunlan as the one person who has attempted to/partially succeeded in understanding him.
i wanted a third pros/cons paragraph bc two felt like too few but i think that was already my entire rant about "fathom" above. the third pro is: this translation achieved ... basic translation, lol. it conveys roughly the same meaning as the spoken lines and as far as i can tell (not far) is roughly the same level of casual/formal-ness. it doesn't include any additional metaphors or similes not present in the original.
ok that's all lol. goodnight ✌️
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As an ace attorney trilogy enjoyer and a GAAC fan too, I have to ask..... does. Does aa4 get better. Its not phoenix or apollo I dislike, I just feel like the tone and overall case quality is such a massive departure from everything else Ive played so far and I see so much apollo and gavin fanart and I feel like Im missing something or need to push through or something
i was absolutely sold on ace attorney 4 from the first case so i really can't say for sure if you're gonna enjoy anything else down the line. if you're not enjoying the characters on the merit of their own personalities/if youre not interested in the events underlying the game i'm honestly not sure what the appeal is for Any part of these franchise. I find apollo and klavier both really charming and fun to watch. I enjoyed the tone shift, and thought it was a fun way to sort of age the series.
Despite liking apollo, i will say he really suffers for the fact that he doesn't have much of an arc or a ton of agency in this game. AA4 is a great setup for some really compelling stuff you could do with this character, but the fact that all of the aa4 plotlines were fully abandoned just means that you kind of get narratively blueballed with him + klavier specifically. Klavier definitely has more stake in this plot and a stronger throughline than apollo, but there's a lot more we would have needed from him to use him to anywhere near his full potential.
obviously my favorite character is phoenix and im the kind of person who pretty much exclusively engages with stuff from the lens of Whats My Favorite Guy Up To so i came out of aa4 super super invested in the dynamic between him and trucy, and his subplot with kristoph. like im eating that shit up. IMO aa4 is kind of about anyone But apollo when push comes to shove. There's more i could say about the way i think that helps/hinders thing in equal measure but that's a different post.
basically... if youre not liking it it might just not be for you? do you think its bad because it's executing itself poorly or do you think its bad because you want it to be more like the trilogy? my go-to for any piece of media is to try and buy what i'm being sold 100%, and i think if you go into ace attorney 4 without wanting it to be the trilogy it has a lot to offer
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okay alright okay. fuckin. okay. let me get my thoughts out about the ending of Legacy chapter two -
this is hard because I both like and dislike elements of how this ended with Kassandra having a baby and starting a new family with Natakas and Darius.
so I do like it because I genuinely like Natakas as a character, and even though he doesn't have the same je ne sais quoi as someone like Brasidas had, he is still a really good person, and more balancing to Kassandra's forever fiery disposition
I think I would have preferred to see her be with someone of equal measure to stoke that flame, encourage her wild spirit, rather than seemingly cushion it, pad it out and make it more palatable, if that makes sense. BUT, he makes her happy. of all the lovers that she's had, she never looked at them the same way she's looked at Natakas and I really do think they had a true connection
I dislike it because, while I can understand why it had to happen (it always felt inevitable that Kassandra had to start a family to continue the bloodline blah blah blah), why did it happen in this manner?
I am still fuming over Kassandra's lack of agency in the game as a whole, and the developers are really saying that this spitfire of a woman wants to settle down and raise children now?
after she's been repeatedly told "you are going to love people and then watch them die again and again, you are here to suffer until someone else comes along who is the real hero and you can't do shit about it" by Aletheia
all the "I want a simple life" and "I want to start a family" talk really came out of nowhere... whoever it was here who said that it felt like the DLC's were written by an entirely different team was spot on, like the vibes are just so different to the main game. Kassandra's priorities shifting SO wildly during this second chapter alone
and having her speak absolutely NOTHING about her flesh and blood family? after all the heartache she went through to get them back?
it's hard to consolidate the "it looks like this is what is actually making her happy now" with the "Woman Need Baby and Husband To Be Happy" narrative, because it seems like the developers were trying almost too hard to push away from that trope?
anyway. my first thought on this revelation was rage. then some sort of acceptance, and even being happy for Kassandra, and now I'm back to being somewhere between outraged and dissatisfied and tolerating that this is just how it's gonna be
hm. okay.
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leonbloder · 5 months
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Why We Dislike Certain People
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In his book Dictionary of Obscure Sorrows, author John Koenig creates words and definitions for the feelings, emotions, and experiences that have never been truly defined.
A particular word and definition in the book caught my attention the other day, and I wanted to share them and explain why they resonated with me so profoundly.
malotype
n. a certain person who embodies all the things you like the least about yourself--a seeming caricature of your worst tendencies--which leaves you feeling repulsed and fascinated in equal measure, having stumbled upon a role model of exactly the kind of person you never want to be.
Koenig explains that he got the inspiration for his new word from the Latin word malus, which refers to a sculpture mold, essentially a negative image of the object you want to sculpt.
There's something about the definition of this word that truly speaks to each of us because we've all had an experience or two in our life when we met someone who we find gives us a powerful negative charge.
Sometimes, it's hard to put your finger on at the moment, but it doesn't take long for us to realize that the very characteristics we can't stand about that person are ones we fear we possess at some level.
In a way, it's like meeting the worst version of yourself, if that makes sense. No wonder we are both "repulsed and fascinated" by them.
In some cases, we may also be attracted to such a person. This is especially true if, along with the negative aspects we fear, they also possess a more dangerous or daring side that we are afraid to unleash in ourselves.
Many years ago, I had a wise man explain this to me with a simple sentence: What I see in you, I see in me. That simple sentence has brought me back to my senses a few times when I've become frustrated, angry, or bitter toward someone about whom I have negative feelings. It's so easy to forget that, typically, what I might be railing against in another is something I can't stand about myself.
So, what do we do once we realize what we're up to regarding the negative charge we feel with people who possess character traits that we hope we don't have but worry that we might?
If those negative feelings come from a place of fear that we might not be the people we imagine ourselves to be, then we need to imagine something different.
To use a sculpting analogy, the first step to shaping ourselves is scooping away all of the negative space. This could look like being more aware of our reactions to things that cause us anxiety or worry. It could be working hard to live more fully and become the person we long to be.
It may require changes in habits, attitudes, outlook, and a concerted effort to surround ourselves with positive influences.
Also, remember to consider the role of the right kind of friends in your life.
Finally, you should also remind yourself that the person you got a negative charge off of and who perhaps started you spinning in the first place is created in God's image, just as you are. And, like you, they are doing the best they can.
Strangely, extending grace to them is like extending it to yourself, so don't be afraid to do that, too. You'll find more peace, for sure.
May it be so, and may the grace and peace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with us all, now and forever. Amen.
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bluemillie · 2 years
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I’m dying to know what these tags mean (from the “if TLT was a YA series” post):
 #Back to YA tropes: ya gray villains are all ‘my morals and actions are objectively correct in this world but i kill people and wear black’#that’s the epitome of bad boy evil
Like, are you agreeing that the YA villains actions *are* correct for their worlds, or are you saying that *they* (the villains) claim that (or that readers do) and you’re making fun it? Could you elaborate on what it means for something to be “the epitome of bad boy evil”? (Also, I kinda want to know which YA villains fit the bill here.)
Also, since I'm not sure how my tone is coming across here: I really am just curious.
I cannot for the life of me find my reblog on that post and hardly remember doing it, but I will do my best to answer from the vague memory of what i was thinking at the time and my present thoughts! I have never been very articulate and have always been quite wordy, though, so I apologize in advance.
First, ‘gray villains’ was a poor choice of words. What i meant was more along the lines of what are supposed to be antiheroes in modern YA. And for if they’re “correct” or not, it depends completely on the media. Sometimes they’re like “i am going to reform these systems that have measurably oppressed the majority for their entire lives, but to do so I must get rid of it’s most adamant supporters who are clearly written pure evil villains who eat babies and kick puppies” and the other characters are like “you’re right, however we can’t kill people to do that :((( you’re just as bad as the villains“ and other times they’re like “my parents were mean to me as a child so now i’m going to start a war” and the readers are like “they’re so right, y’all just only like vanilla characters 🙄”.
The “epitome of bad boy evil” was about REALLY YA characters, who usually don’t have a strong motivation or reasoning behind what they do other than being a kaz brekker wannabe to bait the ppl who like ‘dark’ romance without real substance. Like, from their first introduction you know they’re some edgy or cocky mf who probably wears a too-long coat.
You could compare this to harrow who wears black and kills people, but it also in a space death cult/the reverend daughter of goth and the greatest necromancer of her generation (some would argue). The key here, other than her being a fairly unique character, is that she’s not bait for any particular reader. She’s a failwoman, not someone who comes to mind when you think of dark or edgy romance. Dating harrow would not be living dangerously- it’d be competing with a corpse.
Another good example is Kaz. He is THE bad boy, and I would argue an attractor of those who like dark romance due to his gang status, but he’s got substance. Most people are equally invested in discovering his backstory and following his revenge plot as they are with Inej (tho that’s my aroace ass talking so maybe not lol). And even then, his romance is rocky. It’s a struggle to even touch her and he can’t communicate due to his past rather than just being a tsundere type. And when we see his “softer” side, it’s all about caring for his friends and how the rest of everything soft about him was drowned in the Ketterdamn harbor years ago. It goes beyond sneaking a look at the bad boy with a cat or the bad boy being protective of the female love interest.
I’m not sure I can describe a character that fits either the gray villain/antihero stereotype nor the bad boy one; my ideas of both are kind of an amalgamation of all thing things that tend to turn me away from media. Plus I don’t read a lot of romance, so a fair bit is also drawn from the way people describe the characters online that makes me glad I didn’t read whatever they did. The rest of it is trauma from my middle school wattpad days and the shows my mom watches.
One I do particularly dislike is Eren Yeager. I think he’s a well-written character (ish), but the sheer number of people who are jokingly-and-not justifying him committing worldwide genocide is kind of annoying sometimes.
In the end, this is is all just nitpicking and no big deal. It’s all fictional and about media i don’t ever have to engage with. I was just excited to throw in my least favorite YA tropes and imagine how much more horrible they could be in a tlt YA version. I encourage people to find enjoyment wherever they can, whether it’s something I enjoy or not.
I hope this satisfied your curiosity!
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Emiya Alter & Mozart for the character ask me :D
Oh wow tumblr at my freakin notif for this XD so! this is super late! but here is my anwser for these two beans @maningrey0204
I'll start with emyia alter Fave thing- gods its hard to choose XD i think its the fact that he has a notebook to write things down. silly i know but, his memory is so bad and hes so nihilistic and pragmatic about it all, but he still writes down the important stuff to look back on later. least fave thing- yeah defiantly has to be his og design in jp, caused alot of backlash and kinda gave him a bad rap, so most people dont look deeper into him Favorite line- you know the line, where he talks about how in his valentine with the lifeline, where it'll suck, it'll rip up your hands, you'll bleed and hurt but he'll pull you up no matter what? yeah good shit, i rotate that shit constantly in my brain, i could ramble forever about his valentine scene honestly Brotp- voyager voyager listen listen this man who holds no hope for himself whos so jaded and cynical caring for this literal embodiment of hope the hope he doesnt have for himself but that he still fights for as a hollow hero of justice this man who made himself a weapon a tool a thing holding and caring for this tiny star child that was born from a machine and the hopes of humanity its GOOD opt- ive never really thought about it honestly XD but the line he has for cualter has me interested, so i could maybe see them as being two flavors of pragmatic dramatics notop- fucking kiara, no, stop it random headcannon- you can tell how bad his memory issues are by how many golden lines cover his body as hes walking around chaldea. also i dont think this is a headcannon but ive given him the nickname kit, in reference to the japenese pottery technique kintsugi, because hes strove so hard to become nameless, but, he still deserves to be called something, he deserves his own name unpopular opinion- is it unpopular to say i like him? XD like, i like him just as he is, edgy brooding behavior and all. i dearly want him to see hes something more than just a weapon but that doesnt mean i want to change him entirely other than that uhhh, i dunno, hes not a very popular character so beyond seeing people dislike his jp design and his attitude i havent seen much in the way of peoples opinions Song i associate with him- The Only Thing I Know for Real by Jamie Christopherson- its a song for i think metal gear that i just randomly stumbled across and it gave me *instant* emyia alter vibes fave pic- i like the summer ce with him billy and geronimo, it always makes me happy seeing him hanging out with people ------- Alright mozart time! Favorite thing about them- i love how unabashedly himself he is, usually when people think that theyre just awful or garbage that it comes with a sort of depressed outlook- and while he still needs some bonking on that thinking- there is something nice that hes just so, alive? about it all. im wording it weirdly but, hes both got confidence and no confidence in equal measures and its interesting least favorite thing about them- his silly fucking hat XD his outfit is fine but the *hat* why- Favorite line- i could probably wax on about some of the things he says to you and mash in orleans but, honestly? his valentines scene, i think if memory serves me its on the ce, but it might be in the actual scene, where he offers to play for you if you cant sleep. makes me soft brotp- sanson XD sanson is very straight-laced compared to his more, whimsical vibes, they work great XD its funny opt- listen listen, poly with marie and sallie, its good shit its fucking quality
notp- you know, i havent actually seen a ship that makes me like, recoil, then again i dont really go looking so let me just knock on wood right quick- but yeah, i dont have anything here, lets hope it stays that way Random headcannon- this man will wear cat ears without hesitation unpopular opinion- i dont, find him that annoying honestly? a bit yeah sometimes but we have worse in chaldea, hes not that bad, i like him song i associate with him- well its. mozart so XD anything by mozart. barring that its nyancat, he just has huge catboy energies XD favorite picture- local fucking musician has *all* the goddamn art made about him so i have plenty to choose from- id say my fave is the wolf one, where he has the wolf pelt on his shoulder? good shit so yeah! :D thats these two beans, thank you for the ask!!
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traceofexistence · 2 years
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the biased takes this site provides holy shit
in todays take the target was of course once again manga/crystal and how it treated HaruMichi in comparison with the 90s
i wont even bother with going up to the person with the take, i’ll just go on and compare few things they did similar and others that they did differently
disclaimer: nobody ever claims that manga/crystal is perfect, they are not, but the blatant bias against it is very annoying especially when those who go on about how bad they are, they wash the 90s clean of any bad stuff.
i’ll start with the basic lore for harumichi according to the original story (a.k.a the manga)
they were appointed to their posts at a young age, just like pluto, by Queen Serenity, they were forbidden from ever meeting. They did though had video communication with each other.
that’s how harumichi fell in love, and in their isolation, only their duty to their princess kept them  sane and kept them going.
Upon the moon’s destruction and their will to protect their princess and queen, even though they were forbidden to leave their posts, their talismans which were connected to their emotions, brought them to the moon
according to the Eternal Eternity song, that describes all that, they met for the first time and they literally fucked on the spot because they were so in love and horny.
when pluto found them their talismans connected and awakened Saturn. something they didn’t know was going to happen, and the knew nothing about saturn who then brought death on the moon.
them obviously being also dead, they didn’t witnessed Saturn’s actual power of rebirth, so when they were reincarnated in the present day, they seek out to destroy saturn before she was to awake, and they also discovered that an alien deity had infiltrated on earth and it was another guilt trip of them failing their duty.
in the manga we meet HaruMichi already being a couple, there is a morning after scene of them early on. They are on a mission therefore what haruka does is under that bracket, and michiru is very aware of haruka kissing usagi, as she’s the one apologizing first to the princess later on of what measures they had to take.
when Haruka is thrown in a fight michiru is very much livid and destroys the monster with a powerful attack.
Haruka and michiru are in constant physical contact that haruka initiates as much as michiru does.
when after the big fight, hotaru is reborn, and michiru says that it’s their duty to raise this girl who is all alone now, haruka is there by her side accepting the duty willingly.
when they raise hotaru, they are all equally responsible for her, not just Setsuna.
they are always together, and when michiru announces that she’s going to take matters on her hands protecting usagi, there is no objection as haruka who is the leader of the outers knows that michiru is capable of doing her job.
haruka accompanies michiru in her concert , and as per latest musicals she also writes songs for michiru’s birthdays.
point im trying to make is that the portrayal of their relationship in the manga/crystal doesn’t lack any affection and love.
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now in the 90s anime, while we got 30+ episodes of them running around looking for heart crystal, and therefore more screen time, and more scenes of them together, that doesn’t make it character development.
first and for most their back story is erased, and replaced with a different one, which was not a bad replacement when you dont know the original.
now haruka was changed the most in the 90s not only in appearance but also in character and mannerism.
when we meet them for the first time, harumichi are not in a relationship, as the mission comes first for them. they both deny they are together when asked.
in the love contest haruka is being a bit of jerk and you can see the disappointment in michiru’s eyes.
while michiru initiates physical contact all the time, haruka never does, which is one of the two thing i dislike the most.
the second thing i despise is how haruka has no filter and flirts with every girl even in font of michiru. granted they are not in a relationship when most of it happens, but then there is the dream arc movie with the puppet when haruka has the flu and she flirts with the maid, while michiru declares that a world without haruka is not worth saving.
haruka leaves michiru to die to continue the mission, so im not sure she’s all that in love with michiru and puts her above all, like michiru does for her. when analyzing it like that it really seems one sided, simply because haruka doesnt show any affection overall.
then when it came to parenting hotaru, when michiru expressed the wish for them living together raising hotaru, haruka responded incredulously as if michiru had said something insane and then they parked the girl back to her abusive dad, until setsuna went and kidnapped hotaru and forced them to co-parent.
did we get some scenes with romantic words thrown around (the infamous hands scene😍phenomenal stuff), and later on full on sexual innuendo?(- it’s cold. - want me to warm you up?) Sure!! but we also got michiru offering seiya to undress her, and played on Haruka’s jealousy (which was non existent in the manga) which made haruka even more obnoxious as she displayed possessiveness which is toxic no matter how you look at it, especially with her track record of flirting in front of michiru all the time.
also haruka was very jealous of men, which is absurd because michiru is a lesbian, she has no interest in men, yet haruka’s jealousy played a role on the fandom invalidating michiru’s sexuality to this fucking day.
anyway my point is that while 90s might have served us some delicious scenes of them, it hasn’t aged very well, and haruka was changed way too much.
in the manga things were simpler haruka didn’t exhibit any jealousy, possessiveness, nor flirting with others, and she was always affectionate on her own, not waiting for michiru to initiate.
the biggest difference is that in the manga is very clear that they both love their princess and want to protect her as it is their duty, and in the 90s they act alone, and don’t care what happens to the princess. also in the 90s michiru is protective of haruka but haruka protecting michiru is not shown(bar one scene  in the kaguya movie when the window breaks and haruka pulls michiru out of harms way).    
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Whenever I see JZX/WWX fics, they always put a smile on my face because not only do I think that they would be a good ship other than Wangxian but I think that WWX has a lot more to offer than JYL.
For me it's not so much that WWX has more to offer than JYL (he does, but that's largely because she's a secondary character whose only major character trait is being Blandly Nice while he's the protagonist; they're not exactly written on an equal level of character depth) as it is that... frankly, even knowing that JZX and JYL end up together JZX and WWX just... makes more sense. I mean, JZX seems to dislike WWX and JYL in equal measure when they're young, so they start on fairly equal footing, but JZX and WWX do seem to have... you know, some morals in common? Like how JZX clearly is against the rich getting to take credit for the lower class's work! Which he explicitly accuses JYL of doing! So that's clearly something that his knowledge of her leads him to believe she'd do! And frankly considering JYL's consistent siding with the sects and especially JC over WWX and the Wens even when she sees how desperate and helpless they are in the face of the rich and powerful spreading lies about them... yeah! I can definitely see why he'd expect her to steal credit from a poor person to make herself look better! (Whether she actually would is largely immaterial in this case, because she does give the sense that she would do that and that's all JZX is working off of.) And it's JZX who actually goes out to bring WWX to JL's one month celebration, which I can only assume is because it occurred to him that the cultivation world's number one enemy might have a better chance of actually getting there and attending the celebration without violence if an heir to a great sect accompanies him? I mean, it's not like WWX doesn't know where Lanling is or that JZX would think he couldn't handle himself in a fight, so presumably it's related to the danger WWX would be face from the sects on his way.
Basically if you look at these three characters on the level of their fundamental beliefs, attitudes and personality traits, JZX and WWX have a lot more in common with each other than either of them do with JYL. It doesn't help that their only real beef with each other is over JYL herself; if she wasn't in the picture they might not like each other (especially as teenagers, when they're both pretty hotheaded and quick to pass judgement, particularly against each other), but they wouldn't hate each other. There are the bones of a very strong rivals-to-lovers story between JZX and WWX! You can see just looking at their characterization and and actions how they could have come to care very deeply for each other, either as friends or romantic partners, given the chance! Certainly they seem to have a certain... grudging mutual respect for each other by the time JZX dies, and frankly one of the only changes CQL made that I like (if I ignore how it makes JZX's death completely illogical given what caused it...) is it actually showing them growing to care about each other on some distant, begrudging level. Meanwhile JZX... doesn't respect or like JYL, and definitely doesn't love her. And then he does, because the story demands it. I've seen people talking about how the two of them come to see their shared morals or whatever, but... what shared morals? All we see JYL do to prove that she gives a single, solitary shit about people who don't fit into the neat and tidy box of "rich, high-class cultivator" is... visit WWX exactly one time after he no longer fits into the box he's supposed to. And then treat him like he's the problem for not wanting to let innocent people die just because it would be more convenient for JC, while doing nothing to help the Wens, the people WWX is doing all this for. And even that is after he's supposedly fallen head-over-heels for her, so it didn't have an impact on that. And before anyone brings it up, because people always bring it up like it's the magic eraser that undoes over a decade of her consistently taking her rich jackass of a brother's side over the victim of his actions who she supposedly loves as an equal to said brother: yeah, yeah, "sHe DiEs FoR hIm!" I know. That doesn't count for anything here because JZX is dead when that happens and so logically it would not affect his view of her. ...And also it was stupid and pointless and only necessary because of her own idiotic actions (if she just hadn't been there WWX wouldn't have been in danger of dying to start with!) and made everything worse for everyone in the long run (and also the short run) so I really don't see why people talk like it answers every complaint against her actions.
Anyway! Now that I've once again successfully pissed off the JYL stans: I'll be honest, I genuinely see no reason for JZX to fall for JYL, considering what his issues with a relationship with her actually... are. The only thing that's really changed since he was snapping at WWX and JC for refusing to grasp why he might possibly not want to marry their pErFeCt sister is that... his parents are no longer forcing him into it. JYL hasn't actually changed from the bland, boring, largely-useless-as-a-sect-leader's-wife girl who was happy to marry him even knowing he didn't want that and only seems to have bothered to try to endear herself to him after marrying him was no longer a guarantee. He's grown and changed from an arrogant hothead to someone who clearly does care about those with less power than himself on at least some level and wants to do the right thing! She... really hasn't changed from the person who always takes the side of the rich and powerful over the downtrodden and desperate. MXTX spent infinitely more time on explaining why JZX doesn't want anything to do with JYL than she does on explaining why his opinion changes, and frankly neither of them have the necessary compatible character depth for it to really make sense without explanation, at least to me. Meanwhile JZX and WWX... actually have a lot in common! I would've liked the story to go into that more, honestly.
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