#You’re not Wilbur

[captiandirtnap]

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[aro-throughyourchest]

I think that about Tubbo’s ending too like the entire point of the March Stream with Aimsey is that’s HE’S THE ONE WHO LIVES and it just makes no sense for HIM to be the one to die when like. He’s the one who has a kid. He’s the one who’s still alive. He’s the one who grieved properly and got closer than literally any of them (besides Eret) to properly healing.

My tags Uh got so long tumblr glitches and I can’t see half of them sorry op

Sorry to harp on about the DSMP ending, but I wanted to discuss why Tommy dying is a poor ending to his story arc. 

It’s not that I require stories to have happy endings, indeed I quite enjoy a good tragic ending if done right. However, the Dream SMP is not written like a tragedy where a downer ending fits. 

Nor is the finale even properly portrayed like one, as any intensity you get from them all dying as the alarms go off and its too late - which I’d actually argue is one of the stronger moments in the stream, is quickly undercut with the revelation that the characters wake up without memories. 

Indeed, the finale would have been better if the last moment was the alarms sounding and a cut to black before after a long enough pause the words DSMP s2 will return appear on the screen. (Given you’re doing a second season obviously, which I don’t think should happen but that’s beside the point here.)

That’s the thing with this finale, every choice made is seemingly at odds with every other choice, the whole is far worse than the sum of its parts.

Now then, there’s Tommy arc. Until the finale, it was a coming of age story. Tommy started young and foolish but with a good heart and then as he grew up, trauma happened and he’s broken down and we watch him gradually rebuild himself. The natural ending to this sort of story is simply to see him fully realise himself and find some sort of serenity without losing his spirit. The adventures continues type of ending would be good as well to imply he never settles down but continues living a hectic life in a positive way 

You can do a darker ending to this sort of story of course. An interesting one is to see himself slowly become darker, essentially a villain origin story as a response to being rejected he makes the wrong choices. This was actually explored post-exile where Tommy nearly becomes a version of himself he hates but he rejects it at the last minute. Given its already been explored and rejected once, its no longer such a viable option. 

For a different type of tragedy, where he dies, I think that would potentially work in service to other characters stories. Imagine him attempting to do the right thing and getting no help from anyone and his death is a wake-up call to everyone, a tragic loss that they failed to prevent and now vow to do better and that guilt drives them. Again, the DSMP already explored this when he died in prison and the people who knew dealt with their guilt at his passing so again its not a very fitting ending. 

So, how about Tommy sacrificing himself for his friends? That’s essentially the ending we got. Tommy goes into prison to kill Dream and Punz, accepting he will have to die as well. 

Well the issue is that the story has also explored Tommy having suicidal thoughts. Its a really unsatisfying ending for that sort of character to commit to a plan that involves their own death. Good deaths in fiction tend to be sudden, unexpected ones. Characters that willing walk to their own deaths are the ones that should live, this is even more true for characters who have specifically struggled with living in the past. Their happy ending is in living well.

That’s simple where the trajectory for Tommy’s arc has been going forever. That realising that all the struggle and torment have been worth fighting through. It’s incredibly hopeful and optimistic and yeah the darker the story, the more important that the ending is worth it.

Good tragedies are often the opposite. They’re often stories where everything is great and seems well and then they meet a sad end. That’s powerful too. 

[metrixnos]

Don’t let it speak, that’s how it’ll get you

[lmanburgseulogy]

Do you think the l’manburg river was just a little bit too shallow. Because when their home was being blown up, they jumped straight for it. The nature of their home was their protection.

The universe must not have loved them too much, though, because when you hope to drown in this water it never worked. When you wish for the current to bring you under so you never have to watch your home be destroyed, no one listens. No matter how loud you shout your prayers, no one can hear you over the booming sound of your defeat.

but you’ll still be reminded of how you’re not a kid anymore because the water barely reaches your waist. Maybe in the past, it would’ve overtaken you. now you’re limbs are too long and your maturity seems to be your downfall.

[thattheater-kid]

If I had a nickel for every time I was on my period while receiving horrifically devastating news about one of my comfort streamers, I’d have two nickels. Which isn’t a lot, but it’s weird that it happened twice, right?

[shubblelive]

isn’t is so nice that like all our favourite streamers are buddies? like with music artists or actors or whatever, they mention another celebrity and everyone goes nuts that they know that person exists, but here it’s like shelby is friends with ranboo who’s friends with wilbur who’s friends with tommy who’s friends with phil who’s friends with niki who’s friends with jack who’s friends with crumb who’s friends with ted who’s friends with

[v0idwraith]

For those of you who have also had your Twitter TL taken over by the Gravity Falls as DSMP AU:

how do we feel about Ford as Awesamdude

[perfectlyqualitycandy]

I’ve seen a few posts floating around saying stuff similar to, “Call him Will Gold, we shouldn’t protect his real name anymore and we should name him fully” (paraphrased). And I understand the argument and that it can be a way to potentially strip him of his power. But I do encourage you to ask yourself whether that’s really the motivation behind calling him that, or whether it’s to avoid calling him Wilbur Soot.

Because it’s hard to imagine that Wilbur Soot, the streamer and musician whose videos you once loved and brought you comfort, and Will Gold, the real abuser, are the same person. But they are. And I strongly urge you to make sure you aren’t avoiding equating those two people in your head.

Call him Wilbur Soot. But call him what he is. Wilbur Soot is an abuser.

[cryptid-moone]

No I’m serious he needs a good cry and a hug from his parents why did they just never mention the-

OK OK so my thing is, why did the game just brush over the like- 32 hours (give or take im making half this shit up) Wilbur spent fixing the timeline??? Like yeah I get it’s supposed to be a goofy fun silly game but ??????? I’m 100 percent sure no 13 year old would be completely anxiety free during all this like Wilbur was 🤨

Anyways more hcs but this time is just Wilbur:

•he’s actually closer to Talulla than Lazlo

Idk I feel like they bond pretty well as the dramatic(er) family members, plus talulla seems like that cousin who just vibes with the younger kids in the family

•”I’ll put all my feelings right here, then I’ll die.” He’s the gifted kid burnout

No because he was fr willing to run around alone in lava ass city instead of asking his parents for help, if that is not some “I need to be independent” thought train. Plus as the gifted kid/sibling I look at this kid and think to myself, “you’re a burnout 🤨”

• He was/is a bolt mega fan

Penny was his celebrity crush before captain time travel, she’s low-key the reason he’s so, adventurous and “cool” (he is cool but ok that’s a whole persona)

•he angry cries (see picture)

No because I’ve said this like 10 times but, how did he:

1. Almost die in a pyramid

2. Fuck up the time stream (1)

3. Fight multiple iron giant head ass robots

4. Help civilians around magma city

4.5. Fight mega Doris (that bitch)

5. Go back in time

6. Witness his future father interact with his present time family without anyone besides him and CARL knowing the truth

7. Watch Carl DIE

8. DIE HIMSELF

9. COME BACK TO LIFE

And be completely chill????? Rubs eyes omg

Anywho the game soundtrack is fire I think there should’ve been an extra cutscene where he gets to hug his parents and just be happy everyone is alive HAHAHA

[proudfreakmetarusonikku]

Like honestly I think that people are genuinely unaware of how MCYT and the internet as a whole used to be because like… the space is improving. Things coming to light when they happen and not years later is a good thing. Not only is it impossible to have a space with no bad people ever, any space that appears as such is actively dangerous and suppressing the victims within the community as a way to stay “pure.” I really worry about people leaving for those sorts of spaces because in my experience they’re far more rotten than MCYT could ever be, because victims are shamed into silence and treated like dirt to keep that spotless reputation. It’s a show of purity, not any support for victims, because Victims Coming Out Is A Good Thing. It means they feel safe in the space to do that. Places that seem safer because they don’t have all that are just ones that silence any victim far worse.

[dykecubes]

Hot take I genuinely hate it when people interpret q!wilbur as being deadbeat on purpose or, worse, outright abusive because that’s very much not his character at all and it feels like an excuse to subtly pressure cc!wilbur into streaming on the server more

[qpenpals]

First of all, support Shubble and support all victims (which is a statement that while said a lot, seems not be followed as frequently, however i hope those who read this abide by it)

Second, I don’t support wilbur soot/william gold, and I don’t think that anyone should after this.

Third, while this situation is not about me, i have feelings and opinions about it that i would like to share, but even if you don’t read anymore,

Please watch shelby’s vod, and maybe try checking her content out, because while i don’t frequently watch her, i enjoy her streams and maybe you will too! her new hardcore series sounds great :)

This is quite long, but honestly this is kind of just for me to collect my thoughts, however if you read to the end thank you<3 im touched :)

ALSO ABUSE TRIGGER WARNING

Alright, so I have loved wilbur soot’s content for a very long time, 4 years or so. I watched the streams and listened to his music from the start. His content is entwined with many of my fond memories.

Earlier today, I had a breakdown over this whole situation, because, as I’ve been quite busy with school, my job, and other assorted things in my life, I found out about this morning. I had woken from a nightmare about my previous abuser. Who i will be talking about a lot more of as they really impacted my views on this situation.

However this nightmare had left me in a fragile mood, my girlfriend was still sleeping and i didn’t want to wake her, so to comfort myself i went to read one of my bookmarked fanfictions, this fanfiction, while i dont remember the title is one that i’ve found comforting for a very long time, so much so that when im stressed my partner has it saved to send to me so i can calm down.

It was a fanfiction about quackity and tubbo, wilbur soot was mentioned maybe 5 times, and the author had deleted it.

This caused me to try and find out why, so i went to their page and they had posted a temporary fic explaining what had been going on.

My first reaction had been disbelief, I then went to research everything. It was a lot to process.

I watched shelby’s vod. Before this i had mainly been disconnected from what i had seen, taking it it but not with any of my own feelings or thoughts really, just processing.

Shelby’s situation hits really hard for me because a lot of it mirrors my own abusive relationship of a few years ago. The wording Wilbur used against her, sounds like what my old partner would use against me. His actions, such as her having to clean and taking care of food, and amenities, were things i had to experience.

Abuse TW:

My old partner would physically abuse me through biting as well, he would claim that he just liked knowing i was his, and yet, like shubble, if i ever used our safe word, which happened so fucking often, he either wouldn’t listen, bite down harder on my neck, or fucking smile at me before letting go.

This got to the point that multiple times he had drawn blood from my neck, that i still have scars from today. And as i watch Shubble talk about her story which is ever so close to mine, I wonder that if I had watched this before, maybe i wouldn’t have stayed in that relationship.

I proceeded to stay in this relationship for 2 years before i realized how much harm he was doing to me, because i truly believed he loved me, because of all the lovebombing he would do.

End of Abuse TW:

And yet i felt pain aside from sympathy or memories, when learning of this, as the content Wilbur had put out had actually helped me out of this relationship, his music was pretty much all i listened to the months of healing after i got out and it helped, the art is good, and yet the author is one i cannot respect nor support in anyway now that i am aware.

i’d suggest watching this tiktok by @lasmanburg that really explains my thoughts and feelings on this

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTL1tb5Wg/

Right back to the content. I don’t believe that we should throw it all away, i don’t think that people should be deleting their art, fanfiction, or anything based on Wilbur. Because in the end it’s all art that we have created and interpreted and though the man who inspired it is horrible, all that has been made does not reflect his actions, but instead love and creativity from vast multifaceted community.

One can continue their writing and work because they are the ones creating it, not him, and besides most interpretations of him stray quite far from the source anyways

I think that one can continue to engage in his content as long as one does not directly support him, such as pirating his music, but personally at least right now listening to his music which brought me so much comfort-makes me feel sick. So think i’ll be taking a step back.

I don’t really know how to end this, i just needed to get my thoughts out honestly. I have therapy in an hour. I hope all of you who’ve made it to the end have a wonderful day and drink some water. I wish shelby well, and i’m glad she has been able to share this situation. And with that, I must now leave :)

[loversj0y]

hey its me glonk

so

talking about siren/clinic!wilbur.

Imagine Sire having a love/hate relationship with a low-ranking hero.

(Now I say "low-ranking", but it doesn't mean they're weak. They're just... really bad at their job. They can fight, but they're a little too brutal for the public eye. Breaking bones, etc..

So the hero committee says they are too violent to move up the ranks. Ironic, considering that they are the only hero that doesn't kill villains. The other heroes do much worse all the time-- they just keep it under wraps.)

Anyway, maybe the hero has some nullification power. Siren's voice doesn't work on them, so they end up duking it out in a good old fashioned fistfight.

Unless its the hero's lunch break. they only work when they have to.

eventually, when one gets a call about the other and an order to go deal with them, neither knows whether its going to be a snog-in-the-alleyway kind of day or a beat-each-other-to-a-pulp kind of day until they lock eyes.

fuck Enemies to lovers, this is enemies AND lovers.

lonemies. lovemies. enevers. Enemivers? Who knows.

(also. imagine the hero getting fired one day because they incapacitated someone in a rather brutal manner-- on live television. Does the Hero Committee care that it allows its other heroes to do far worse, just out of the public eye? No! Boom, they are fired)

you bet that siren goes asking them ̶f̶o̶r̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶i̶r̶ ̶p̶h̶o̶n̶e̶ ̶n̶u̶m̶b̶e̶r̶ to join the syndicate.

glonk. you get me. oh my god.

okay i kind of went crazy down below but i love this concept SO much

enemies AND lovers is SOOO powerful. i feel like siren would have a complex about anyone who cant be affected by his power naturally bc on one hand, it pisses him off, but on the other hand, he LOVES it because it allows him to feel secure in knowing they will never think he’s manipulated them and he’ll never have the option to (id imagine growing up, he found it hard to make connections because people who knew his power and didn’t understand it would find it hard to trust him)

i love the idea too of their very first meeting. hero reader is brand new, spiffy, ready to tackle any challenges! and who do they get? literally one of the three top ranking heros. and yeah they’re terrified but they agreed to this so they get ready to fight and siren just is not having it and simply tries to command them and reader is like *oh fuck…wait.* and they both have this mutual realization that he cant use his power and immediately in siren’s eyes. they are rivals. siren manages to get away without any fight due to the shock and processing they both have, but the hero committee quickly hears about it and is PISSED because, from the media’s view, hero reader didnt even try. which is why next time the hero just gets aggressive and physical and the hero committee ALSO gets pissed again and reader is just like ????? already so done with this shit but they’re on a contract fuck.

but oh thats when siren catches them. they’re not really paying attention to patrolling, still pissed off and reeling from the meeting with the hero committee, so it isnt hard for siren to come up behind them and get them pinned down. and he’s all cocky and talking shit, and reader is too tired to actually fight him or be angry, so siren is like. something is wrong here, i want a reaction. so he switches to flirting. and oh boy does that do the trick. and reader is so tired theyre just like. fuck the hero committee. fuck everything. im going to have fun. and they end up making out in the dark alleyway until siren gets called away by the syndicate.

and the song and dance continues, either fighting or making out (though siren does note that the fighting tends to happen more when the media is involved) hero learns more abt the syndicate and is like honestly i cant even hate them bc the hero committee IS bullshit and the committee is up their ass about needing to be better, constantly needing to be better and fight more and help more people, and they let out some stress with thanatos, but it’s more of a “beat each other up until we’re exhausted and can relax” type of fight until hero accidentally knocks him completely cold because his head hit a brick wall. and they look up and the camera definitely caught that. a text about being fired comes quickly, but honestly they dont even care, they’re more just worried that this person is okay, and so they grab his ear piece and tell nemesis what happened and nemesis is like “okay, im going to trust you only because you just got fired. here’s the cafe’s address, ill tell our healer and have someone meet you there” and so hero brings him to the cafe for tommy to heal, and siren is there because of course he’d be there, but it’s for two main reasons: making sure the hero keeps this place a secret, and extending the offer to potentially become a villain (which he notes that they’d need to have a chat about it over dinner specifically, and it definitely is not an excuse to go on a date)

[silly-ghostz]

The one thing I will say is that “separating the art from the artist” doesn’t work here because “separating the art from the artist” basically means that you’re going to keep paying on abusers bills!!

[bleue-flora]

Hiiii I'm trowing this idea to you because I'm scared of posting it and just being completely wrong

But, don't a lot of c!Tommy's core traumas come from pogtopia and c!Wilbur? Like his claustrophobia, his paranoia, I feel like that starts in pogtopia when C!Tommy was under the (very bad) guidance of C!Wilbur

Like even with revivedbur I think he's the one who makes Tommy (we get who I'm talking about no need for the C!) relapse? Dream was avoiding everyone and everything, and Tommy was not doing good but his mental health would get so much worse after hanging out with revivedbur

Ahhh so throw me under the bus I see how it is ;D. I’m not a big fan of Wilbur so I won’t speak much on this because it’s really not by topic of expertise, but I do think that while Wilbur definitely screwed Tommy up and Pogtopia was a trying time, I’m not sure that’s where a lot of his trauma started. For starters, I didn’t even know he was claustrophobic, because like he lives in a cave right? How is he claustrophobic?… anyways for instance his trigger of dark blocks like black stone started with Eret’s betrayal and grew from there - made worse by the bunker room and then obsidian from his time in prison. He became triggered by pastures due to Exile and those are the triggers I can think of at the moment.

I think the longer Tommy went without seeing Dream the better but then Wilbur (Revivebur) brought him right to Tommy and he’s reminded of how alive and armored and scary Dream is, which yea does not help his mental health much. Wilbur leaving as well doesn’t help because I think Tommy felt a sense of safety with Wilbur and for him to leave and Dream to still be out there it just adds to Tommy’s fear and paranoia…

[hamletteprinceofdenmark]

Oh Around the Pomegranate fucks