#Wonky timeline but the storyline is the same

[rogunetocentral]

Rogue Origin Tidbits #3

Although there have been references here and there over the years to Rogue's upbringing, a majority of her origins remain relative cohesive.

-Rogue was born to Owen & Priscilla, partially raised by her aunt Carrie until running away as a young child. [Rogue vol 3.]

-Rogue meets Mystique and is adopted by her prior* to the activation of Rogue's mutant abilities. She is raised by Mystique and Destiny together. [X-Men Unlimited #4]

-Rogue's powers eventually activate and Rogue decides to join Mystique's brotherhood as a young teenager and remains with Mystique until she's 18 and joins Professor Xavier for help with her powers.

Over the years, there have been little stories and scenes to fill in the gap of Rogue's childhood some things have minor conflicts of timing, but nothing that directly contradicts her origin overall.

[raven-at-the-writing-desk]

Do you think Rollo, Fellow and Gidel could be in the main story? And if that's possible, could the events where they appear be canon? Or maybe they have an entire chapter giving them more development?

As much as I would love for the Halloweenies (yes, that's what I'm going to call Rollo, Fellow, Gidel, and any other subsequent new character introduced for TWST's Halloween season event) to show up in the main story and get further development, I don't think it's feasible within the current "canon" timeline. There's a good reason why Yana said that vignettes and story events don't always fit within the main story: it's because most of them would make zero sense if they happened within the single school year where all the OB stuff pans out. This is, of course, also true of Glorious Masquerade and Stage in Playful Land.

The main issue is that important details would automatically become continuity errors. Both GloMasq and Playful Land occur around Halloween, with Playful Land happening during the holiday prep and the conflict of GloMasq taking place on Halloween Night itself. But... this can't be the case for the main story because that creates faults in logic. Yuu does not learn who Malleus is until book 5, which occurs all the way in mid to late winter--yet if GloMasq were canon in the main story, then Yuu would have already have knowledge of his true identity (since Malleus's peers are all addressing him by name). Furthermore, Yuu should only know the first few dorms' members by mid/late autumn in the main story, yet they act like they're already acquainted with all of the students in the Halloween events. Why, then, would Yuu/the boys act confused or as if they don't know these people/Yuu when meeting them later in the main story?

This goes even deeper than just making issues surrounding Yuu. GloMasq and Playful Land becoming "main story canon" disrupts the storylines in place for other characters in the main story. Deuce's UM, for example, is integral to Rollo's defeat. However, Deuce does not actually develop said UM until book 5, which, again, takes place in the mid to late winter time. It's not possible for Deuce to have his UM in autumn, when GloMasq happens. Additionally, Ortho is shown in his College Gear for the Playful Land event, which he does not canonically get until the end of book 6. Book 6 takes place shortly after book 5, meaning probably late winter or early spring, which is way after Halloween.

We cannot say that GloMasq and Playful Land occur in the year after Yuu's first. While this could explain away Yuu's wonky relationships with everyone, Deuce's UM, and Ortho being a full student, this doesn't explain why the third years are still present or why everyone is in the same grade level they'd still be in for the year that Yuu joins NRC. The first years would be second years, second years would be third years, and third years wouldn't even be around anymore; they'd be away on their internships, most of which are not on Sage's Island.

Another potential problem is that the Halloweenies showing up in their own dedicated main story chapters spoils the people who didn't play their respective events. (This is assuming that TWST would give a recap of the events Rollo, Fellow, and Gidel came from; it robs the original event stories of their impact because the truth is that a summary can never do the full event justice. However, there is no avoiding this because otherwise not everyone would have context for the Halloweenies.) It's either that, or the players get no context whatsoever for who these characters are or what their relevance is, which interferes with trying to tell a story about their development and getting the out-of-the-loop players to care about their growth. It's not like you can go back and read the original events whenever you want either, you had to have played through the events in full when they were originally running (or rerunning) in order to see the stories in your albums.

Anyway 💀 as you can see, there would be a multitude of issues in trying to squeeze Rollo, Fellow, and Gidel into the main story. Not saying that it's completely out of the question, but it seems very unlikely to me unless TWST does a rug pull and introduces canonical diverging timelines within the game's main story narrative or something. Right now, I definitely do not see the Halloweenies being incorporated in that way. At best, maybe we'd get more official content of them if they ever got more card releases or something.

[clownrosary]

going to ramble a little abt my thoughts on betsy kelso (finally!) being introduced in pt 3 :P cause i have many thoughts, and i need to get them out!

overall i do have to say im pretty excited- i always found it kinda strange that kelso + brooke was a pretty big storyline in t70s, but betsy wasn't mentioned at all in earlier apisodes of t90s. i do think it'll be rly cool to see the kelso siblings interact though, and i've rly been hoping she would come along!

i have seen a few ppl saying that it's weird that jay like... hasn't mentioned having a sister at all until now, and while i agree that it is strange, i do think the writers will find a way around that. half-sibling relationships can be complicated (i would know), and there's no one correct way to have a relationship with your siblings. especially when keeping in mind that betsy + jay share a dad (not just any dad, but kelso), and not a mom.

there's a stereotype that half-siblings that share a mom tend to be closer than half-siblings that share a dad. while i definitely dont think this is always true, i do believe the writers will probably end up using this to their advantage; i could see nate + gwen (who share a mom, and are definitely pretty close) being seen as the opposites of betsy + jay.

not only that, but betsy probably grew up in chicago! it's safe to assume that the kelsos grew up hours apart, and naturally wouldn't be as close as siblings who grew up in the same home. honestly, i think there'd be more of a chance of leia + betsy being close, seeing as how donna and brooke were friends before brooke had even met kelso. i could totally see them as having been childhood friends :)

but at the end of the day, t70s has never been known for having superb, accurate timelines, and that's okay! to see t90s following in those wonky footsteps isn't a bad thing- at the end of the day, it's just a sitcom. and i'm excited to see how this all plays out!!

[gwenllian-in-the-abbey]

Why they have tried to cut Daeron?

Hi anon! Assuming Daeron is cut (and I do think there's a good chance he is because at this point it's all but certain he's not in S2, and Condal has got to know it would be goofy as hell to introduce a 3rd Targtower brother randomly in S3), my only guess is that they're cutting him because they want to give other characters more to do in the Dance.

My best guess would be Aemond takes some of Daeron's storyline. And like, I don't love it, but we'll see how they handle it if they go that way. Aemond being a major flop who pretty much costs his side the win by going rogue is a big part of the story, and it's also hard to see how the greens don't win outright if he's in the Reach with Vhagar and Vhagar doesn't die there (and we know she can't, she has to die in the epic anime battle with Daemon). However, if they're planning on at least 4 seasons (and I'd not be surprised if it goes to 5 what with how they've paced this season), they can't have Aemond just flying around burning the Riverlands and banging Alys Rivers for the better part of at least 2 seasons. He's got to have something to do, and they could give some meat to his war crimes arc by having him be the one to go nuts after Maelor dies, maybe even tying him getting word of Helaena's death into that (the timelines around all of this are super wonky in the book, so they could fudge it a bit).

The other option is that they could just cut the Reach arc altogether. It's super messy, kind of confusing, involves multiple sacks of the same city, and ultimately ends with the army just sort of dispersing. I do think they'll do the betrayal of the Dragonseeds, but they could move that anywhere, it doesn't have to happen in the Reach. Perhaps they'll do some fanservice and bring the Ironborn in for season three and do the Dalton Greyjoy storyline instead. So far the show seems to want to capitalize on known houses when it can, and the Greyjoys will mean more to a casual audience than a bunch of random Footlys, Roxtons and Peakes. Dalton Greyjoy "The Red Kraken" could also make a great villain. My feeling is that they'll do one or the other but not both.

But we'll see! Maybe Daeron will still show up. All of this stuff is S3 at the earliest so they could still name drop Daeron in S2 and have him show up in S3. I think it would be a mistake, but maybe they could pull it off. It's too early to say for sure, but if they do cut him, I think it's going to be so that they can spend more time with the existing characters and give expanded storylines to characters that would otherwise be kind of idle.

[voidwizardwholikestheshadows]

why do u think exile went for 5 years who said that

It’s a kinda debated thing between 5 years and 5 months. Some people say months, some people say years. It’s thinking of time in universe. Given there is that one time where cc!Fundy said he was out somewhere for 8 years even though that same amount of time didn’t pass for everyone else.

A lot of people have said a lot of different things. The canon timeline is WONKY. Like one character can be like “oh I was off doing this for a year” while another character not related to the other’s storyline would be like “oh it’s been a few days” etc.

I mean cc!Wilbur once said that him and c!Techno were the same age but cc!Phil said he had known c!Techno when he was younger and before c!Wilbur was born. Cc!Techno said his character didn’t remember or stopped keeping track. Like I said, it’s all over the place.

It’s really weird but the most common thing I’ve seen from most people is 5 years. I don’t believe there is an Actual time in universe for how long Tommy was exiled. That’s why I think everyone existed in their own little bubble that way we can have some things that the cc’s say make a bit more sense.

I honestly don’t think anyone knows what the in universe timeline is given it changes from cc to cc. 5 year is just the most common thing I’ve seen so I’ve rolled with it. Please feel free to correct me if you have differing information.

[tzigone]

What age first comes to mind when you think of each of the original NTT?

I've asked this previously with the JLI. It's not about how canonically old they are or you think they should be (absent de-agings, universe reboots, etc.). But when you first think of each of these characters, how old do you think of them as? So much depends on the eras you read with them, and what of that sticks with you, and which eras and aspects and relationships you most value. Not to mention how fast in-universe time was moving in your favorite eras.

Wally, of course, got married and had kids. They never let Dick do so in main timeline, but he has associations with younger Batfam members that make me think of him as older. Poor Raven and Gar were deaged and kept on younger teams even before the universe reboot. And we have Vic and Kory after.

For me, so much depends on the era I read them in. All have eras I just don't read them in, either because I don't like what's going on with them or because of general disinterest in what's going on with DC at the time (that especially covers recent times, as I kept waiting for continuity to settle, then the constant Events, which aren't my thing).

Speed-aging Wally's kids throws him off to me, too, as I'm not fond of speed-aging kids at all (or skip-timing as with Jon Kent). So in my head he ends up a new dad in his mid twenties.

Dick ends up late 20s in my head. Relative ages of other Bats play in, but I sort of cut off for him before New 52 (and I honestly never think of him as Batman) because I've never really gotten into anything of his after that (hate the de-aging). He should be older, of course, but I don't first think of him that way, again probably due to not reading later stuff much.

The others haven't had the same degree of solo work after the team, and I abandoned NTT shortly after Titans Hunt. I've read stuff with them here and there since, but never consistently read a Titans title since.

Raven and Kory pretty much stop for me then. It's hugely important from a storytelling perspective, but I simply dislike the whole concept of Dark Raven or Rachel Roth or the goth-y influences from the cartoon (which I liked when I watched it, but didn't want to influence the comics I didn't read comics then and now resent character being largely remade from it), and even though I know they exist, they don't enter my headspace. So Raven ends up in her early twenties.

Kory, as I said, is in a similar headspace to me. I know other storylines happened, but I'm even vaguer on those than Raven's. Another dead husband, more pain for Tamaran - sounds like basically story on repeat to me, though I didn't read it, so can't speak authoritatively. Don't get me started on having her and Jason (or Roy as Jason) as a team or even worse on putting her on Damian's Teen Titans. Anyway, I always think of her as early twenties, too.

Gar, interestingly enough, I tend to think of in his slightly older, more mature fashion. Not making his obnoxious jokes and sexually harassing female teammates. And operating in a time when Dayton simply isn't around (and Rita is dead). I'm not at all sure it isn't some not just amalgamated, but constructed version of him built out from what I wanted him to grow up to be. Anyway, he sits in his early twenties for me.

Now Vic - I kinda feel in some aspects like I do with Gar and in some aspects like Raven and Kory. Certainly the post Titans Hunt events don't factor in at all (I didn't like storyline even a bit before like, quit reading a few issues after, and forget a lot of what happened after that era with Vic even happened). More like Raven and Kory and less like like Gar, he was older and more mature. I think of him early or mid twenties and having found peace with himself and belief in his own humanity (which happened a couple times before he'd reset on it), but don't think of that as having just happened, so ending up adding a couple years.

Donna is the wonky one. I tend to stick her in two categories - recently married early twenties or recently separated mid twenties. While I think motherhood and her son were extremely important to her in-universe, I didn't read that era, so it doesn't stick with me. I have the before, when I was reading NTT. And I have some of the time during the separation (when she showed up in other comics I was reading) and cutoff before Robert dying, as that was really part of a soft reboot of the character/origins that didn't work for me. I mean, her origin has always been a mess, and moreso since COIE, but another changeup was not the solution.

[daniclaytcn]

no the timeline in the finale was soooo wonky. like, it seemed like eddie called marisol a few days max after the hardware store, but his broken ribs were healed and that takes 6 weeks minimum. the buck and natalia balcony scene seemed like it happened like a day or two after bc of the blood on the couch, but his face was mostly healed so it must've been a week, give or take a few days, after the bridge collapse. and chimney seemed like he was mostly healed after being, y'know, IMPALED. so 8-10 weeks? more? idk. same with hen, it must've been weeks there too. the way those lil fire fam cut scenes were edited/placed in that scene made it seem like each happened around the same time, but there's literally no way, y'know? and the whole thing just comes off as rushed and sloppy bc of that. like. i shouldn't feel and look like the math lady meme after watching trying to parse out a basic ass timeline lol

the screwed-up timeline itself wouldn't be as annoying if the storylines themselves had actually made sense, imo

[theonethinginlife]

Just sharing my idea here: Instead of the Nicole storyline, they should of instead brought in an attractive female law enforcement officer (either FBI, CIA, US Marshals or Interpol) working on a joint case with SVU. And said woman flirts and makes moves on Carisi throughout the case and he's completely dense and unaware of her motives cause he's not paying attention to her, but focused on the case. But everyone else can see it, especially Rollins and we REALLY get to see her be jealous.

Hey anon!

I think something like that was definitely the plan before COVID derailed season 21. Instead of someone new, though, I think they were going with Dara Miglani (the attorney who represented Monica Russo in "She Paints for Vengance").

It was definitely supposed to run at the same time as the Khaldun storyline--we got the setup for the Khaldun half, and then the Sonny x Dara bit would've happened in the next few episodes and we definitely would've seen jealous Amanda, which I would've loved to see.

They made the timeline wonky with COVID, and I wished they wouldn't have shoehorned in the Nicole plotline (I think they had it planned out w/ Dara and had to rework it) and would've just let them come together without giving Nicole's character not the greatest treatment.

Everything worked out though, at least!

[dykenav]

@kiriona-apologist

ok I’m thinking about it and I think there’s a few options with this:

we set it up like a classic framed story, where we have Nona, and she’s going through her usual day at school or whatever, and then

A.) she starts telling a story to someone, like hot sauce or Noodle

B.) she has a dream

C.) we break canon and lean into gideon/kiriona as the narrator and have kiriona talking to nona but it’s unclear the context or why they’re talking. (we’d have skipped ahead timeline-wise to like, before they go to the ninth house in ntn, when they’re in the cars / in the sixth refugee place or whatever, but the audience wouldn’t know any of that.) and we get the sense thay kiriona knows nona but nona doesn’t really know her. and maybe nona says something like “tell me the story again” and that’s when we start with the voiceover and events of htn

D.) combo of B and C - same as above, but the whole convo takes place in a dream

the issues with A and B is that it doesn’t really make sense / would feel jarring to have the narrator voice coming out of nowhere. C would transition the most smoothly I think but then we just have the issue of breaking canon a bit and making the timeline a bit wonky, which I’m fine with, but people would probably bitch about. D would spare us from timeline issues but I think the whole dream thing might just be like, ONE too many layers of unreality lmao

anyway the rest of the series would progress as my first post suggested, but we would return to nona after htn, but maybe we have like a dual timeline thing where it’s again framed with gideon talking to nona / everyone prepping to go to the ninth house (or maybe we literally just start in the River scene, with like everyone screaming and freaking out) and then switching back in time to “FIVE DAYS BEFORE THE TOMB OPENS” and playing the story up from there.

john dreams would have to be interspersed of course. but it’s never explicitly clear that it’s a dream, instead it’s just like, whole random episodes of the Johniverse randomly inserted into the main storyline

okay hear me out. tlt animated adaptation BUT it starts with harrow the ninth. we have a desperate housewives-esque voiceover narration speaking in second person. the audience doesn’t know about anything that happened in gtn and doesn’t know that the “flashbacks” didn’t actually happen. first season ends with harrow finding palamedes in the river and the voiceover saying “you never could have guessed that he saw me.”

SECOND SEASON. we’re following the events that happen in gideon the ninth. there’s no more voiceover. nothing that happened in the first season is even mentioned. it’s not explicitly clear that we’ve gone back in time but it becomes more clear as the season progresses. lyctorhood wasn’t really fully explained in the first season either, but there were clues that become more obvious as the mystery unfolds. season ends pretty much exactly like the book ends, bringing us to the moment that the first season started.

THIRD SEASON. starts where the first season left off, follows the end of htn. Gideon desperate housewives voiceover is back.

fourth and fifth seasons would follow nona and alecto, obviously, but the format of them would have to be equally confusing and weird so I need to wait and see what alecto is like before I theorize on that.

or the show could just end after the events of harrow finishes and leave nothing wrapped up or explained. I honestly kind of like that better

[yuuana]

Music Monday #214: ATEEZ - Paradigm  release: November 2022 genre: Jpop cw: bright flashing throughout, potential seasickness warning

You know you've missed me and my Kpop nonsense. ;) November was too full of everything and then some, so sure, I have a backlog a mile high, but like I was going to wait on my boys.

This MV is pretty bad for anyone with photosensitivities, so if you just want to hear the song, here's a Spotify link or search on your preferred streaming platform. As a performance version, the video doesn't have the same level of lore clues as more story-driven MVs like Guerrilla or Turbulence, so if you can't watch it, it'll be fine. Theorytiny will be filling in gaps for awhile. ;) The thing with ATEEZ is when they say they're doing something new this next release, we know by now they mean it. Considering that first minute was in all the previews for the album, it wasn't really a surprise when Paradigm opens with that whistling. If Guerrilla was the mating of hard rock with EDM, Paradigm dropped the rock elements to play with blending EDM and lyrical pop elements. So if you're looking for dance-pop with post-apocalyptic pirate vibes, definitely consider adding this to your collection. As much as I'm actually an opponent of the whole "anything but even line distribution is unfair!" brigade and while Jongho definitely gets the most, the distribution feels a lot more even than some other title tracks (in the end, it isn't, but the only line distribution analysis I've seen so far counts seconds a little wonky, counting some "ad libs" but not others). If I didn't know odds were Edenary (of which Hongjoong and Mingi are both a part) initially wrote this no less than six months ago (and probably more like 8-10+), I'd be tempted to look at some of those lyrics and try to apply them to the ongoing BS with Vata/SMF. If this was written as a clapback, it was more likely in response to the previous BS between KQ/ATEEZ and Mnet. "Nobody can stop me"? "Even devils call me up, I don't cheat"? They know how often others have copied their homework. As for the video ... again, performance version means the focus is meant to be on the dance moves. Minimal sets and costumes designed to draw attention to the flares both help with this. The swooping camera moves, not so much, but then again also sort of yes? But the more I watch it, the more I'm wondering if any ATINY might be familiar with Japanese sign language? A lot of those hand/arm moves could just be flares to highlight the musical moment, but a few of them feel like they're intentionally saying something? But I barely know anything in ASL, so I'm not qualified to really go there. And now...the lore paragraph! As I said, this is a performance video, so the lore elements are fewer. Fewer but not none. Again, we're maybe peering at Z-teez, but which one (I still maintain that A and Z are clusters of parallel timelines)? Visually, this feels a lot like a part of the Deja Vu storyline, but there's so little here, it's hard to say, especially when the blue set also feels like a callback to the door we see opening in the Wonderland MV ... which is an A plot. A connection that's further supported by the art on the cover of the EP. A whole new world, a whole new paradigm. The A team walked through that door and after Wonderland came Answer, which could be anywhere (and any time), but shows A-teez (Pirateez) meeting Z-teez (aka Halateez) making their alliance as the end of Treasure era. Does this connection (Paradigm and Wonderland) mean we're back to rolling forward from "now" instead of still in flashbacks? Only time will tell. Of course that particular location has been used by a number of groups over the years, looking for that very same dystopian vibe, but my silly little fangirl brain can't help connecting it to the maze in EXO's Overdose. Because I have a sickness and the only cure is EXOTEEZ. XD The World Ep.Paradigm is out now on all streaming platforms and for physical sale wherever you buy Jpop releases. As an aside, given the year it's been, a part of my heart is grateful to see Mingi wearing the safety pin. Maybe I'm fooling myself, but with ATEEZ's history of vocal support for the LGBTQ+ community, I like to think that was a purposeful choice and not just a fashion statement. And it's Mingi, so it's probably both. Want to see Music Monday deep dives more often? Sponsor a song selection! For the low, low price of one (1) KoFi, I'll write up the song of your choice. ANY song of your choice. Yes, even that one that's been played to death. Yes, your obscure faves too. With sponsors, I can stop skipping weeks and falling further and further behind in the releases! Sponsor a current CB for the next open Music Monday slot or sponsor a throwback for a Thursday feature! But seriously, if you've been enjoying my selections and analyses, we (me and the foster kittens) would love a KoFi in thanks. DW | Twitter | Ko-fi | Patreon | Discord | Twitch

[simply-ellas-stuff]

Tbh I think Katherine should've been moved to The Originals sometime after the Mikaelson's settled in.

Her storyline after the Mikaelson's leave TVD honestly gets wonky as shit. Especially because they fuck with her characterization so much and I hate the idea of her being the 'final villain' after she got to say goodbye to her daughter AND I think her going to hell is bullshit. She's a very grey character, if she couldn't have gone to heaven - purgatory would've been fine. Hell was not.

I do genuinely think that Elijah and Katerina had real feelings for each other, so I do think Kat would've been interested in following Elijah to New Orleans even on the risk of Klaus possibly killing her. She ran for 500 years and is Katerina Petrova. She can get around Klaus without getting caught - we've seen her do it before.

I do think her storyline with Silas makes sense, the whole stealing the cure thing, the headstone thing, and the whole compelling a town thing. But I think the part where she tries to kill Elena for 'stealing her life' is where they deviated from Kat's personality.

In a way, it makes sense, but at the same time - Kat's had 500 years of life to live and Klaus had disappeared from the world for a long time, so I do think Kat would've at some point been able to spend a few years with a 'normal' life [I mean… Salvatore Brother Loving years? I mean, c'mon that could NOT have been the only time she did that].

I think after the whole part where Kat is linked to Bonnie, when Bonnie fails to give her Silas-Strength immortality, I think Kat would've cut and run because it got a little too close to Elena killing her and Kat is nothing if not a survivalist. I think that's when she should've gone to The Originals.

Now we know the TVD/TO timeline is fucked because Timeline-wise Rebekah is both in New Orleans helping Hayley and Klaus look for Elijah while also in Mystic Falls looking for the Cure. So, that's fucking stupid but maybe in this storyline - Kat is the one who takes Rebekah's place in the first season sort of? Maybe mini-disappearances from the first season of The Originals would've been the island, hiding the cure, and the whole bound-to-Bonnie moments. Which in grand scheme would've only been a few weeks of time and thus the disappearances might've made sense in the whole 'hiding from Klaus but also trying to find Elijah when he doesn't answer the phone' thing.

I don't know where I'm going with this lmfao - I can't really rewrite the whole series to add Kat in without making a timeline and I'm not that patient tonight.

But I do think it would've been so much fun to see Katherine and Klaus sort of find this shaky middle ground because = They've both lost a child who then returned to them later. I do think the whole Nadia storyline would've been fun for season two of the Originals too, especially since Hayley would've just given Hope to Rebekah, who'd come in towards the end of Season one, and it would've been fascinating to see the whole storyline go down - Klaus just gave his child away, only for Katerina's to show up and cause some bullshit.

Also, Katherine's death in TVD season 5 was fine - emotional and it made me happy that she got to make Nadia happy towards the end BUT - I don't think that should've been the end for Katherine. I think both Nadia and Katherine should've gotten happier endings.

I just think Katherine moving to The Originals would've been a fun storyline, especially due to the whole Hayley/Elijah side of it. AND we would've [hopefully] gotten a sort of reconciliation between Klaus and Katherine [and ya know, if Klaus ends up in Heaven I think he owes one of the biggest apologies to Katherine tbh] and maybe even some form of kinship after sending Hope away and the whole Nadia of it all.

As Kat said, Her and Klaus a lot more alike than they think. I do think it would've been fun to see it. Also because the Tatia of it all, seeing Hayley and Kat have moments where they don't hate each other but don't like each other, bonding over the Mom-situation they find themselves in. And Also, I think it would've been fucking funny watching Kat fake-gag at Klaus and Cami because you KNOW she would've had some form of sarcastic commentary about it.

[raymondebidochonlifechoices]

To summarise:

Archie decides to take a break from saving The Town Formerly Known As Riverdale to go save the honour of the American Army. Robin Givens directs this white man’s heroic journey probably as a quid pro quo for being allowed to direct the Pussycats episode.

Stop! In the name of love Jason! Penelope puts a stop to Cheryl and Kevin’s singing, thus immediately and completely redeeming herself from any and all wrongdoing ever. Jason’s ears stop bleeding and so are mine. Unfortunately, she doesn’t push for full monastic silence.

Wonky Timeline Alert #1: Jughead is now 7 days sober. This means that the AA meeting at RHS from 4x14 happened 1 to 6 days ago. Or did it?

Alice once again has only a vague idea about what her children (in this case Betty) are doing. Consistency.

Betty, dressed as Polly, is searching for serial killers down the Lonely Highway. She hasn’t been successful, which comes as no surprise, since -in the words of Tucker the Trucker in 4x14- there have been stories about some crazy rogue FBI agent looking for her sister.

Wonky Spacetime Alert #2: Jughead goes to the Cooper Jones Smith house but Betty can’t come to the door because she’s out, working at the Lonely Highway wearing the same faux leopard coat that we can see hanging behind Alice.

“Let it go! Move on!” says Eric. “Like Hell!” replies Archie, whose whole raison d’être in Riverdale is never letting go.

Principal Weatherbee has finally acknowledged that he will never be able to provide basic education at RHS. He puts the English lit teacher on leave and focuses on football/cheerleading/drama/auto shop courses. Is this a comment on privatized education or a coincidence? Only time will tell.

Wonky Time Alert #3: Jughead has missed weeks(!) of work.

Chadwick sics the SEC to Veronica. If only the She Wolf of Wall Street hadn’t told him her plans over their last skype call ...

We don’t learn about Reggie’s big ideas but we do learn about Reggie’s big dick energy. Nana Rose isn’t the only gal he’s been sweet talking to! He also had a thing with Hermosa.

Kevin, having finally found an audience, conspires with Cheryl to overthrow Penelope’s leadership in her own cult. I didn’t catch the details because I was distracted by Cheryl not wearing any red item of clothing.

Uncle Frank tells Archie that he’s carrying a heavy weight, so now we all get to share the burden of another war flash back … Thanks a lot, uncle Frank.

Hiram -I’m-not-a-16-year-old-nerd- Lodge has hidden his palladium in the little SoDale town model he has in his office. Where he keeps the figurines remains a mystery.

Veronica will sell the palladium in an auction after she smelts it down into something “new and unrecognizable”, i.e. Spanish doubloons. I guess palladium Spanish doubloons are both  new and unrecognizable …

Did someone say “forgery”? Cheryl makes an appearance at La petite bijoutière.

Sober Jughead doesn’t think of checking his computer for a copy of his book: it must be the addiction withdrawal syndrome messing with his cognitive functions. Or aftereffects from the rabies.

He retrieves Cora’s manuscript from his bachelor pad (aka the Bunker). He needs half a bottle of whiskey to go through it.

Kevin had a magician period growing up. This explains so much.

Cheryl performs a series of faux miracles, including turning water into maple syrup and having her hands manifest the stigmata of the holly wounds of Jason. The last one is indeed a miracle, considering Jason was shot in the head.

Wonky Time Alert #4: The Voicemail™ took place half a decade ago. But also 2 years ago?

This also means that TBK has been active for half a decade. Because living through a pandemic is not enough.

Scratch out the auto shop course at RHS: Betty is on the Highway 24/7.

Bughead finally have a talk. They admit they’re both addicts. Not to kinky sex, like they were in high school but to alcohol and serial killers. Adult stories. Yikes.

Jughead doesn’t go through with plagiarism. Hurray! Samm, however, after having waited for either 5 or 2 years for Jughead’s second book, finally drops him as a client.

Veronica successfully (and legally!) beats Chadwick at his own game. This is a new and unexpected storyline for Veronica. I need time to process.

Archie hears from Jughead that you can be put on administrative leave if you don’t show up for work, so he hastens to make the rounds of all the soldiers’ families and go testify in one day.

Archie’s testimony is conveniently not shown, probably to cover up for the fact that he has no tangible evidence. Peak Riverdale writing. The Army Tribunal members, who have never met Archie before, probably could not take more of his monologuing about saving Riverdale, so they convicted general Taylor. I guess he shouldn’t have sent Archie back there.

It turns out that Tabitha might also have an addiction: taking care of seemingly lost causes. She makes Jughead promise he’ll go to his AA meetings and then puts her best bra on to go hitch hiking with Betty at the Lonely Highway.

Alice has been really down during the whole episode. She has probably received her credit card bill. Those cooking lessons Toffee took at L’Ecole Ritz Escoffier in Paris weren’t cheap …

One down. Three more opportunities to get depressed.  

[einsteinsugly]

Logistically, he literally can't be Jackie's kid. Or, tbh, Brooke's (Betsy never had a secret twin). Jay's obviously sixteen, and is a rough replacement for Betsy, since he's legally driving and has been friends with Nate since they were tots (and they seem to be around the same age). I also think they willingly aged him up from the draft pilot, imo, after casting Mace Coronel. He was eighteen at the time of filming, and he certainly looks it. Him being fifteen would really be pushing it.

But Mila said Jay was Jackie's kid (and loudly questioned why the whole Betsy and Brooke storyline seemed to be disregarded), so the only way to make T9S work logistically is to render it as an AU. And even if he was fifteen, same thing.

Plus: Yeah, T7S's timeline is wonky, but the show clearly ended on January 1, 1980. Leia's existence is a stretch (to the caliber of T7S's wonky timeline), but Jay's existence goes far beyond that. To the point where Mila called it out, and said that he was too old (see above).

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Also, while considering the comiccon erasure (which totally makes sense both morally and PR wise), T9S also seems to be a world where Hyde either...

A. Never existed (they skipped over him in the OG circle scene, and Kitty didn't even allude to him in regards to Leo). The comiccon erasure, minus the Led Zeppelin poster in the basement, seems to further suggest this option is possible, but logistically, I think B (below) is far more probable.

B. Ceased to exist/dropped off the face of the earth after season 4/5. Lindsey Turner stated that Hyde was floating somewhere on a motorcycle (which is majorly OOC, as he'd keep in contact with RK and ED), and I can't picture the gang getting that close with Leo sans Hyde. Let's say Kelso accepted Jackie's marriage proposal in season 4 and didn't run off to California, and Hyde skipped town shortly after graduation. Jay's a rough replacement for Betsy (ugh), and JK had a shotgun wedding. In turn, Hyde harbored major feelings for Jackie, and couldn't take it anymore and left. Jackie and Kelso then cracked under the pressure and divorced, and Jackie got with Fez for a bit (like in the OG timeline, to appease Mila and Wilmer, I reckon). But old habits die hard, and rinse and repeat.

It's such a sad state of things, coupled with the gang falling majorly out of touch. It's the last thing I would want for the OG characters, so in the midst of the massive logistical errors (beyond the caliber of T7S, since a main character of T9S can't even remotely exist), I happily classify T9S as a sad AU. Of what could've been, if Hyde was never given the chance to be with Jackie, since Jackie and Kelso didn't break up at the end of season 4.

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Your tags! I refuse to believe Jay is Jackie’s son!

Right?!

He shares none of Jackie's personality traits even remotely! And that's not to say that kids can't be different from their parents, because they totally can. But from what we saw with Leia, she was a mix of Eric and Donna. If Jay was really Jackie's son, he would've had a few of her traits (or really just one).

He seemed to share some traits with Brooke though, so it just makes more sense to me! Despite being a dumb teenage boy like his dad was, he had a calm maturity to him when he was dealing with liking Leia/not kissing her when she tried to get him to. That would've come from Brooke rather than Jackie imo! (Not to mention I hate J/K so I might be biased lol)

[giveamadeuschohisownmovie]

Okay, so I’m still a little confused as to how the DCEU version of “Flashpoint Paradox” is going to go but, based on the teaser and the released information, I’m assuming that:

1) The storyline is either mostly the same or at least it hits the main beat of Barry preventing his mother’s death

2) Michael Keaton is not Thomas Wayne, he’s an older version of Bruce from the Flashpoint timeline

3) Reverse Flash might not be Nora’s killer this time? Eobard wasn’t listed in the cast. Unless Saoirse-Monica Jackson is playing a genderbent Eobard, which I doubt (only saying this because her role hasn’t been revealed yet).

So what I’m confused about is that since Keaton is reprising his role as Bruce Wayne, does this mean that the Tim Burton Batman movies take place in Flashpoint? Did Barry retroactively create the Burtonverse? Because that’d be kind of cool, albeit a little wonky with the timeline.

Honestly, I might be overthinking things. I wouldn’t be surprised if the movie just brought back Keaton as older Batman as a tongue-in-cheek wink to the audience. DC does that type of casting all the time anyways.

[kaiparker-avengerssmut]

Their Doll 6

Righteous and Condescending

B.Barnes x Reader, S.Rogers x Stark!Reader

series synopsis:  y/n Stark, all records of her non existent, and yet Hydra still find her. When she is kidnapped by a certain super-soldier and no one believes her, she finds herself searching for unexpected familiarity in her not-so-distant past.

Series Warnings: smut, violence, torture, swearing

Chapter Summary: Tony and Steve are dicks

Warnings: angst (I think), swearing

A/n: The timeline in this has been altered, as there I things I wanted to include but I also wanted this fic to follow the storyline/timeline of Winter Soldier and Civil war.So for purposes of this fanfic, Peter Parker was discovered by Tony at a much younger age - when he was bitten - and has been an intern with him since, almost like a protégée.(For the purposes of this story Peter was bitten much younger too - more like when he was 9 or ten rather than 14/15)

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"You're kidding, right?" Tony drawled, chewing obnoxiously on another blueberry. When Bruce didn't respond, Tony frowned slightly, turning to Steve. "He is kidding, right? I mean, she doesn't even look like Lily!" Tony said harshly, but Steve wonky sighed heavily before closing his eyes for a moment. When he opened them he passed Tony the sheet of paper that held all of his answers.

Tony snatched the piece of paper from Steve's hand, eyes running over the black ink cynically over and over until he finally looked back up at the table of avengers. Bruce and Steve had hard expressions, whilst Thor and Clint looked genuinely amused with the situation, and y/n had a resentful glint in her eye.

Now that she met him again, seen him up close, she couldn't help her bitter tone as she snapped.

"How's Peter?" Her eyes were cold - colder than ice as she glared at Tony, hand balling into fists in her lap. Tony gulped, eyes darting around the room and avoiding her's.

"At school," he said slowly, "and living with his aunt May." Y/n scoffed, rolling her eyes and crossing her arms.

"I'm surprised you even let that kid out of your sight. I mean come on, Dad, we're to too busy pampering your little protege to even spare a week to come and find me? Do I mean that little to you?" Y/n asked, a glint of tears now in her eyes. Tony made a face, as if he'd been wrongly accused, and held his hands out in defence.

"Come on, kiddo, that's hardly fair - he was only young, and struggling at that." Y/n gasped at her father.

"And I wasn't? After years of loving me you just decided he needed more than me? It hurt, dad, and I tried to tell you that but you didn't listen!" Y/n's voice broke on the last word, a tart finally slipping from her welling eyes.

"Maybe you should take this to another room?" Bruce asked weakly but his comment was lost the second Tony began talking.

"You think that kid didn't need my love too? His parents died, y/n! It's not like I just picked him up from the streets and discover he had superpowers!" Tony almost shouted, his raise in voice making y/n flinch. Her eyes blew wide at his statement and the man seemed to realise what he'd said the second her reaction was seen.

"I-I didn't mean to-"

"Mean to what, dad? Didn't mean to abandon me? Didn't mean to let HYDRA torture me, force me to kill for them?" Y/n interrupted, completely ignoring the bulging eyes glued on her and Tony as they bickered.

"Y/n, I-"

"You what? Are you sorry, dad? Do you feel bad?" She snapped, pushing harshly from her chair and standing inches in front of him. "Well fuck you, because you were so wrapped up with your little Spider-man project that you forgot me. And I deserve better than that." Y/n stormed away, fists clenched at her side as she tried not to punch her dad or anyone else in her fit of rage.

"Y/n!" Steve called after her, but the girl was already gone. Steve was out of his seat a second later, charging after the girl who he considered completely out of line. "Y/n!" Steve snapped, wrapping his nimble yet thick fingers around her bicep and spinning the girl to face him when he caught up to y/n.

"What the do you want, Rogers?" Y/n seethed, face burning with anger.

"You're completely out of line, cut it out." Steve grit through his teeth, grip on her arm only tightening as he pulled y/n closer to him. It was like they were sharing the same air, with how close he was now standing to her.

"So you're telling me that if you saw the man who left you to die - or worse - for the first time in years, you wouldn't be angry too?" Y/n demanded.

"Yeah, but unlike you, I wouldn't react so brashly." Steve countered. Y/n raised her brows.

"Oh, really?" She challenged.

"Really." Steve confirmed, jaw clenching and unclenching. "If you want to remain here, without rotting in a cell, I suggest you straighten out your attitude."

"Oh yeah? And what're you gonna do about it? I hardly doubt Natasha would approve, and Thor seemed very fond of me." Y/n smirked, crossing her arms over her chest. Steve's jaw clenched again and he quickly pushed her backwards.

Y/n made a 'hmph' noise as her back collided with the wall, air rushing from her lungs rather unpleasantly.

"I'd watch your mouth if I were you, little one." Steve was now the one seething, whilst y/n had become rather amused at his little 'lecture'. "I'm the one pulling the strings around here, so you better watch it." He continued, before pushing away from her and turning to walk down the hall. Before he was out of range, he called over his shoulder, "I want you down in the gym and ready to train in ten. Don't be late."

...

"Harder." He demanded, arms crossed as he watched y/n punch the bag. "I said harder, y/n, not faster." Steve scolded, frowning as the girl seemed to think speed was much better than technique.

Y/n's knuckles were sore from punching the bag repeatedly, the wraps that once acted as a thin barrier between her skin and the bag long gone as they'd unraveled after the relentless punching. Steve had scolded her about that, of course, remarking scornfully about how if she'd wrapped them better it wouldn't be an issue. He had done nothing but criticise her - from the way y/n wrapped her fists down the the damn way that her fist hit the bag.

She could do nothing right, in his eyes, and it was infuriating. They had been at it for three hours, and Steve had only allowed two drinks breaks over the whole course of that time. They started on hand-to-hand combat, and when Steve decided she couldn't even punch him right, he had taken it upon himself to teach her. And now here they were, two hours in and Steve was still making the same criticisms. It was hard to tell whether y/n just wasn't listening to him or if Steve just didn't like her.

It was most probably both.

"That's enough." Steve finally said and y/n came to a halt, breathing so heavily it was as if she'd been exercising for hours with no break-

Oh wait. She had.

"Let's take a look at your aim." Steve decided, already walking towards the target practice.    Y/n finally caught her breath, striding over to join the super Soldier and picking up a belt from the rack on the nearby wall - one filled with an array of throwing knives that she'd been itching to use once she'd gotten in there.

Despite wanting to use them, y/n couldn't help but feel a pang of sadness - tinged with nostalgia - when she eyes the knives, the silver, glimmering blades only reminding her of The Soldier, and how he'd been left behind. Not that she figured he minded, after all, he never seemed to mind being HYDRA's assassin as long as he got fed.

"C'mon, Stark, let's hope your aim is much better than your punch. For your sake." Y/n clenched her teeth. Did he not remember she was a trained killer and assassin by HYDRA? Or was he just that self-righteous and condescending? The question was swiftly answered, and in the following moments y/n chose the latter option.

Y/n set herself up, pulling her shoulders back she made sure her stance was correct - just like the soldier taught her - and her wrist was loose - just like the soldier taught her - and threw. The knife pierced just to the right of the minuscule centre point, y/n's breathing steady and yet still heavy.

"Almost. Fix your stance."

[dastardlydandelion]

the thing is, i find it so frustrating because the conceptual blueprint of natalie's death makes perfect sense to me, but i thought the execution was really poor, in large part due to the awful pacing of this season. teen natalie would've died saving javi way back when, but misty stopped her. adult natalie dies saving lisa because this time she can, she cares for lisa, whom she sees as a kindred spirit, and poor lisa just stumbled into this situation she couldn't possibly understand. there is inherent tragedy in misty (as bizarre and off-putting as she is) killing natalie-- whom she sees as her best friend --while trying to protect her. IT'S A GREAT SETUP.

but the execution is so OFF to me, because like...misty and natalie barely interact the whole season. as endearing as it was watching nat bond with lisa, in-universe she's only known her for like a week! and that, right there-- like all the events in the adult timeline are taking place within days, DAYS, and you're telling me they escalated to reviving the card/hunting ritual that fucking fast!?!?

it's so messy to me. i don't think that storyline was paced properly or given the time to develop the way it should have even though i agree with the end result because yeah, no, you're right, that's just where natalie's arc was headed...i just think it could've been done so much better. like, re-watching the season one finale with jackie's death, it hits so much harder but it's also pulled off so seamlessly. even the...like the camera action going on with natalie's death in s2 was strange, it was looking like some cw nancy drew nonsense. this is showtime, wtf am i paying this for this fancy subscription for when ur giving me cw grade cinematography???

and yes, natalie's dying vision was also so...i mean...what was that??? why the different plane?!? can't believe i'm saying this bc the less i see of his face the happier i am, but where was fucking travis??? i can't stand him, but he was so important to her, he should've been there!!! i do know her vision was originally different (and much more disturbing, the other passengers nat sees were ig like laughing and more or less mocking her as she died) but that version doesn't even sound more sensible, just different. jackie's death vision on the other hand was like, i mean, as heartbreaking as it was, imo it was perfect. we the audience realize jackie's dead the same moment jackie realizes she's dead. the music is simultaneously eerie and sad. it's creepy the way everybody is just surrounding and staring at her, but it's also tragic because we're seeing how human jackie is as it's simultaneously what she craves; to be seen, and loved, and warm.

okay i went on a loooong rant and i apologize for that. but yeah, no, i was not feeling the second half of this season and i think nat's death conceptually was the right conclusion for her character, but the way it was done was so wonky it left me upset for almost none of the reasons it was *supposed* to be upsetting.

good afternoon!! forgive me if i asked you this already but i honestly don't recall. thoughts on natalie's death in s2?? 💀

hiiiii!!!!!

I mean....sad, for sure, but where was her character arc even going at that point, you know?

the thing i don't understand though is her death vision. why wasn't the plane she was on the plane that they were all on when they crashed?

what are your thoughts?