#Whitepine theories

[luminescentlama]

Whitepine theories

Pretty big spoilers for Whitepine 4 and the ARG under the cut

So while watching the new episode, my friend and me came up with a few theories/thoughts and since figuring stuff out is a community effort, I thought I'd share them.

The detective

As my amazing, perceptive friend Bee ( @mossybee-exe ) pointed out, in this shot, while Ivory is walking back from the cabinet where she's supposed to find the cot, there is a pair of legs on the staircase.

You know who has black pants? THE DETECTIVE, who we later see in the manor.

That in itself is already kind of a theory, but I think this subtle detail makes sense for both explanations we've come up with.

Option I

The detective has something against Ivory and literally stalks around the manor to interrogate her, which would mean in this shot, he's watching her go about her day

Option II (the one which makes more sense to me)

The detective isn't actually in the manor. Instead, he's a figment of Ivory's imagination, a reflection of how badly the interrogation impacted her. That would explain why she's the only one who ever sees him at the estate and no one else does. When she mentions him to Serapter, Serapter hasn't seen him, and we don't have confirmation that Prince Zam sees him after going to find him in this episode.

This would mean that him standing atop of the stairs is a reflection of her mind, a sign that the memories of the interrogation are always ready to pounce on her in the form of the detective (which happens later in the episode).

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A different theory which is pretty much unattached from this one

Lop was in the new ARG video

While I'm not all that familiar with the ARG videos and the backgrounds, I've watched those which have been found with a playlist someone else made.

In those videos, Epony (the mirror image or counterpart of Ivory) leads Ivory to a room in a bedrock box and traps her there. Then, Ivory tries to break out, but the whole room is surrounded by bedrock.

What is interesting to me about this part of the ARG especially, is the voice Ivory hears, because to my friend Bee and to me, this voice seems like Lop's. This would mean that this whole sequence of videos took place at the end of Whitepine 4, meaning we know at what time they happened.

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It's possible these theories aren't actually what took place, but I thought sharing them might help the overall community 🤍

[iforgotwhaticalledthis]

the guest guy "yknow how mama bears are, very protective of their cubs" 🤨

so what im hearing is that it was mrs hemlocke. and she killed mysti. for some thing to do with pyro?

[whitestarpine]

I’ve seen a few whitepine theories by now, and the ones that have stuck with me the most were two specifically:

1) the thing that killed Mysti was “the monster” that lives in the forest. The person who had this theory went on to explain that the one true moment where we feel fear in the first episode was when ivory was looking at the forest. Right after that scene, we have a shot of the stairs (where Mysti was found). Foreshadowing goes harddd

2) someone on this app (I forgot your username, sorry!) said that we weren’t looking for a killer, but more specifically for the plant hemlock. It is also explained that said plant can kill someone with painful skin marks, etc. The person stated that when Ivory is being introduced to the maids and butlers, there’s a shot of Mysti eating (she could be eating a hemlock plant, and that was what caused her death)

I honestly think the story could go in many directions, but it’s hard for me to believe we’re looking for a specific person to be the killer. What do we think???

[roverthegoober]

I JUSTBWATCH WHITEPINE 2 EEE

Spoilers and TW warning for mention/implied abuse, also a lot of rambling

I was lowkey busy while watching, anyway

Im already mad at the detectives BYE

Ross(i think) needing a shovel for cobwebs? Like i get not being able to reach, buttt...

Div in the woods humming?

The stairs are focused on, especially due to Misti dying

Pyro was outed by someone, and i dont think its Misti lol

Zam and Seraptor seem kind of chill w eachother, but I'm not completely sure

Ivory being scared to go in the shower and have someone follow her :( she was shaking too bro, i think someone abused her. And she also seemed really stressed during the entire ep, even in Wych Elm, you can hear shaky breathing, i think. Its also the music that plays while she cooks and gets ordered around

Oughh and seraptor mentioning his family and where he lives. I hope we meet them in a good way and not in a way where seraptor dies and we have to see them 😭 i heart seraptor pleade dont DIEE

Zombie has a lack of emotion and stuff

Misti is still warm?? Like WHAT???? WHYYT

Im just so hyped rn!!!

[yourpersonaljaskier]

Hello hello! I watched Whitepine and now I'm insane! I also watched a theory video! I'm very insane and I need to ramble as to what I think is going on

Theory will be under read more, spoilers ahead

First things first:

Who is mrs. Hemlocke, and how long has she been dead?

So, some things to establish the estimated time period:

- steam locomotives and steam engines are around (meaning it's past the year 1712)

- The colour black may be associated with the mourning period (early roman period til the 20th century, now very well known because of Queen Victoria, who mourned her husband for 4 decades til the the early 1900's and wore black daily)

These bring us to a rather specific time frame between 1712 and before the 20th century

Black doesn't seem to be a very 'fashionable' colour, as the theory video I watched relied quite heavily on the idea that the Hemlocke family is in mourning. While the idea in of itself isn't a bad idea, I heavily disagree with this notion for 3 simple reasons:

1. The family isn't in ACTUAL mourning! They wear black clothes, yes, but there's no other indication they're in active mourning. They wear colours not permitted by the mourning rules created by Queen Victoria (assuming they're in England due to the name Whitepine and the general outlay of architecture), which was from 1861 til 1901 iirc, which is a HIGHLY likely time period they were in. Zam participates in hunting, the household isn't in mourning (the women aren't wearing any amount of mourning regalia, ie, veils, jewelry, full black attire, similar with the men), the HEAD BUTLER doesn't tell Ivory about the passing of the hear mistress (which MEANS the mourning period is long over and the topic is dead at this rate, Ivory doesn't need to be a genius to figure out why the mistress is never mentioned), Izzy permits Ivory to be the piano, so on and so forth

2. Serapter doesn't know why the piano room was empty. Her death was before his time, and he seems plenty adult to me.

3. There were no search parties (if she had disappeared), there were no funeral arrangements, no active mention of her or her recent passing, and black clothes are not an indication of a mourning period.

These, to me, are clear signs that the family, at least the children, have long moved on.

Now, how long has mrs. Hemlocke been dead?

Well.

Let's look at the Hemlocke children. So far, we only know that Pyro is the oldest, with the others having to clear indication of when they were born. But, to me, the Hemlocke children all seem to be of a similar age. There are no tutors or extra teachers for the women to learn etiquette, Zam goes hunting and invites Pyro with him, they seem to go out semi regularly as known bacherlors (as none of the children are married), and seem to have a close bond with how they interact with one another

None of the children seem teenage-d to me, but we'll see as the show progresses

In my mind, mrs. Hemlocke died when the youngest was a few months old. It makes the most sense with how the family and household act around her death and items. The piano was moved but is still taken care of. It's tuned with no obvious dust, out of sight and out of mind but with instructions to keep it in good shape

Izzy easily absolves the previous order to not let anyone touch the piano, meaning it's been long enough where she finds it doesn't matter if someone plays it, and as Clown mildly implies, it seems that the order was given by Zombie, as he advises Ivory to not make too much noise

Obviously, as mrs. Hemlocke was the mistress of the estate, all the older staff would have been relatively fond of her and followed whatever wish Zombie made about her items, but as Serapter doesn't even seem to know as to what some of the rooms are for (like the piano room), and that he 'forgot [the piano] was down there,' quite heavily implies her death was wayyyy before his time

To compress: Mrs. Hemlocke died perhaps decades ago, to a point where none of the household is in mourning and have seemingly moved on, with new servants being unaware of the affects her passing had on the family (ex. Serapter)

Who killed Mistycat, and why do people think it's the forest?

I personally think the forest has got absolutely nothing to do with Mistycat's death, and that there's a different perpetrator at hand with no supernatural element. I'll explain after this segment as to why the forest is such a focal point to Ivory, but for now:

The forest is an ominous 'character' and looming figure during the whole episode. Multiple shots include Ivory spacing out and simply staring at the woods in some sort of trauma reaction

The forest is ominous, dense and is eerie due to the atmosphere

Forests are easy ground to get lost in and die

Supernatural activity can easily be tied with a supernatural forest

Misty's death is sudden and seems out of nowhere after a bit of a long shot with the woods

From Misty's injuries, it seems like the attack was quite violent, but it's not above that she fell down the stairs after being attacked. The injuries on the back of her head could suggest a blunt force blow, while the rest of her injuries were amassed from her tumbling down the stairs, which would draw someone to check out what happened, and of course, then the freak out

Do I have an idea as to who it could be? No. Fuck no lol, I'm not a psychic, I just don't think it's supernatural for now. There's absolutely zero reason as to why a supernatural entity would be killing the household now and not then

Why is the forest such a big deal, and Ivory's behaviour

Now. Hear me out on this: Ivory is from a cult like environment, where a settlement was in a similar forest, quite like the surrounding area of Whitepine

Her behaviour, past being autistic, is very submissive, with a fear of authority, the fear of disobeying orders to such an extent that she asks a fellow coworker permission to go outside, and a general reclusive behaviour that I associate with a want to conform and not cause issues for the ones in power

Obviously, all of these can be attributed to Ivory's implied autism, but I think it makes more sense with Ivory's behaviour towards the woods and other people

She seems afraid of talking, saying anything outside of what is asked of her, and even then, she struggles greatly and panics about being in trouble to a near panic attack level. Her dissociation with the sight of forests seems trauma related, along with the buzzing noise she gets after people rush to see why someone screamed

She seems afraid but in an abstract sense. She stares for seemingly hours after being dismissed her first day, just staring at the woods that caused her to zone out first thing

It's not normal behaviour. Even from a neurodivergent standpoint in my opinion. Her anxiety seems to come from an outside place, and Minutetech not knowing anything about her, past where he found her and what she did on the train ride gives me the impression she ran away from her cult, and now associates forests with them, causing her to have bad reactions when on edge or stressed

And that was it! Thank you for the read, hope you enjoyed my unhinged thoughts!!

[giildedgold]

my running whitepine theory is that ivory and minute are both cryptids. there's something about them that just feels similar

this was mainly brought on by how ivory says that minute found her in the woods. how did minute ever just stumble upon a girl in the woods and decide to help her get a job?? maybe to help her blend in with people more, just as he once had to

maybe I just wish to learn more about wpMinute... he's intriguing

[anxihazel]

I'm gonna share a random thought I had while rewatching Whitepine because I love this series and I love analyzing media <3333 Alright so, I might be wrong here but it's so unbelievably interesting to me how well everything would - and does - point to Ivory being the one that murdered Mysti . Like, imagine we weren't the viewers for a second, imagine we didn't see from her perspective at all and we watched from like, idk Maddy's pov or Ivo's or anybody else's ;; For instance, everything major started happening AFTER Ivory joined the Hemlockes, Ivory acts incredibly different from others - she's quiet and reserved, she has a tendency to go outside and out of other's sight (So all the other servants barely see her ;; although that may not actually be that big of a problem since they have to work all day and probably don't see a lot of each other anyway - but for the sake of the argument lets just say it's an incriminating fact) and out of everybody else, she's most likely the only person that reacted the way she did to the murder during the police questioning; Ivory seems like the perfect suspect, and by all means others should definitely believe she's the one that did it, but there's one major problem with that -- We know she didn't. She's the main character; We know Ivory didn't murder anyone because us, as the viewers, know where she is almost all the time ;; and while we don't have all the context in the world, we've still been following Ivory closely enough to understand that she can't be the one who did it. The reason Whitepine is so interesting to me as a series is because we follow the one person who's most mysterious, most suspicious, the one we - by all means - should have no reason to trust from an outsider's perspective ;; and here in lies the problem, we aren't outsiders. We literally see the world ONLY from Ivory's pov; Therefore, what do you do when out of the two given sides - the people you're supposed to trust and the people you shouldn't - the only certainty that you have is that the character that all red arrows point to isn't the one who did the crime, the one who sinned. If you can trust the untrustworthy in the case of murder, than who from the character's we're supposed to trust, can we trust? Anyway yeah that's all, I just wanted to share this thought process - it's most likely a very obvious part of the narrative but I haven't seen many people acknowledge it so I wanted to!!! :33

[eve-123456]

I'm realy curious about ivory's past becase from the two episodes so far it looks like she was in role of servitude before, or at least went throw something that made her very shy and obedient. Also she shows dislike of showering with others, maybe she is hiding a scar?

[0seraptor0]

Theory made by me and my friend:

Hello everyone I’m the Whitepine community. Me and my friend have spent the past hour making up theories. They may be quite long but we’d love for you to read them!!

i have discovered by going thoroughly through the video a few things. THIS MAY BE WRONG THOUGH

1. Whitepine possibly refers to the piano as pine was typically used in the 19th century to make pianos and typically back then ivory was used to make piano keys. Whitepine stands for the pine of the piano and the white part of whitepine represents ivory our main character.

Part 1 / Part 2 / Part 3 / Part 4 / Part 5

[djevelbl]

NAAAAAH I don't care what ANYONE has to say — I REFUSE to believe that Whitepine! Clownpierce is the killer, that's SUCH a cop out answer like. really? Your first thought as a theory is that the guy who's famously called a VILLAIN is ALSO the villain in this story???

[theblorbo-catcher]

Whitepine theory !! Kinda maybe spoilers ??

Tw fir mentions of blood/gore, murder, and body dismemberment

ALRIGHT SO. After rewatching whitepine for the seventh time (forgive me if I get some things wrong I was crocheting while watching it so I may get some things wrong) I've got a LOT of thoughts about Mystys death murder.

In whitestarpines theory post they mentioned that Mysty was eating in the scene where Ivory was introduced to the other maids and butlers and it got me thinking-

Seraptor told Ivory that they can probably go put of the dorms around 6 am and earlier Ivory was told that the Hemlocks usually don't get up until around 11 am. We see Ivory get up and leave the room while it's still fairly dark- it still could very well be 6 am but I feel like it's a lot earlier thn that ??? We can see from the window that the sun is just starting to rise.

I don't remember if the garden was in the servants side of the house or not but Ivory tells Clown she stayed on it the whole day, so either she was lying or the murder occurred during lunch that day. Or later the next morning when Ivory first got up.

We see Mysty eating and whitestarpine mentioned that someone theorized that there could've been hemlock in their food and that could've killed them.

Another theory that I think is worth mentioning is that Pyro is a possible suspect for the murder. I don't know if anyone else has considered this but after Pyro threw up Mysty was the one to enter his room.

Maybe he didn't want anyone to know he was sick? I don't know why he'd kill because of it but its definitely something I'd like to take a closer look at at some point-

At dinner Zam mentioned that there would be a hunt tomorrow at Lucas's place. Pyro doesn't go. I don't know if it's because he's sick or not but I think that's likely the case. I don't know if it's relevant to the murder or not but Vi fixed Izzy's telescope ands asks if she wants to try it. I assume she meant trying it that night- Izzy says not tonight, so she also maybe could've killed Mysty that night?? Either that or she just wanted to sleep. Or just didn't want to use it that night I don't know- maybe she's catching whatever Pyro has? I think I may be going a bit off the rails with that one. In my defense I'm writing this at like 1 am.

ANOTJER THING- The hunt thing they mentioned could not be literal. They could've been hunting Mysty !! The body looks WAY too bloody for them to have just fallen down the stairs. I don't know if it was the angle or just my eyes being weird but it looks like Mysty was missing some limbs I think ??? It would've explain some of the emphasis on the woods- but I don't know if that really explains the part Ivory plays in it if she does have any part in it at all.

There's such a huge gap of time where Mysty could've been killed and so many suspects its crazy- I think I definitely need to wait for more episodes before I have anything concrete but so far I'm having so much fun with this-

[writeousposting]

Their last name is "hemlocke" (spelling taken from subtitles), not whitepine, but I agree!

From what we saw when watching, there was very little talk about Mrs. Hemlocke aside from the fact that she used to play piano in that singular scene, and its never really brought up again?

it would make sense why that room she used to play in wasnt used any more, and why seraptor told ivory to "not move anything". They're trying to preserve the way it was before she died, maybe?

just a theory either way ^^ (correct me if im wrong about the piano room, going off of memory here)

Whitepine 1 spoilers, if you havsnt watched it yet go do that!!!!!!

Ok so there is this small detail that's been killing me, there is no ms whitepine. Like she clearly is a character but she isn't seen on screen.

So she is either indefinitely away or dead. Apparently the light blue room was where ms whitepine used to play piano, and now it's in the basement. That seems like quite a thing.

Idk i think this is an interesting detail to look at.

[lowkeywaffling]

YOOOO YOU LIKE WHITEPINE WOAH..

Favourite whitepine characters + any suspects/theories???

i think ross has got to be setting her up he's just been in the right place right time every time. prob a little more complicated than that tho. borm was waiting to catch her with the shovel too, he's gotta he working with ross

also why tf is divy in the forest what's going on there, it's interesting that ivory isn't really scared of anything like the basement or the forest, wonder why that is.

serapter is my fav

[inkydiamonds]

Hey I've realized that there's a lot of really cool Whitepine/Ivorycello theorists here on Tumblr who might not be active in the lore channel in her discord! So hello! This is a call to pool resources/ideas, perhaps we can reach out to each other and chat!!

From the discord I bring this insane doc, which you absolutely do not have to read through, but it contains a LOT which could be very relevant: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1pMcjA1FQqsyaQDJsdH0b9QmGPOC_EUVh4giFsZ1CJTQ/edit?usp=drivesdk

Included, we have:

- ARG answers, including links to unlisted videos!

- Transcripts of videos and other resources!

- Potential evidence that WP is connected to other Ivorycello videos!

- Mildly deranged timeline rants!

- Remarkably little about the actual murder mystery!

- Thoughts about Mysti, Pyroscythe, and Ivory!

- T R E E S

And more to come! If you're a WP/Ivorycello theorist who has just been vibing here on Tumblr, *please* tell me about your ideas, we need hot takes :D

I'm also probably going to make some posts where I just start talking about some theory (either rehashing stuff that's on the doc or proposing stuff that's not on the doc) so feel free to add your ideas there too

[eve-123456]

He is soooo weird

[sillyseasides]

🌊 anon here, i’m revealing my identity specifically to bring photo evidence. Bitotter couldn't have found Mysti’s body, they’re seen over Ivory’s shoulder in the kitchen at 27:55

plus the blood thing is a bigger problem for me: here’s a diagram of Mysti’s body relative to the blood around her.

That is not enough blood for how much she was stabbed. And i doubt someone would take the effort to move all those severed body parts. Plus there’s no blood splatter by her neck. Tbf whoever was helping (i think div was helping but thats a dif convo) might have tried severing her neck to cover up the bite. I just dont think they’d have enough time to do all the wounds. I dunno this theory’s still a work in progress.

I know I'm the "vampire theory guy" but I honestly am starting to doubt that a normal person could have pulled off the murder. its just unlikely at this point.

My reason for thinking so is simple, Mysti was in full uniform, and Pyro was fully dressed. Let me explain. According to Seraptor its' the maids' job to make sure the Hemlocks clothes are laid out and whatnot, (while ep 1 did show that Pyro is capable of doing it himself, Mysti was surprised he was up, so its not a common occurrence) and Seraptor also says that the Hemlocks usually wake up around 10:00 at the earliest. Right before Mysti is discovered, all of the others are in the kitchen, presumably preparing lunch given when the Hemlocks wake up. Therefore Mysti would have been found around 12:00pm.

That timeline does not line up for a normal person. They'd need to: Attend to whichever family member they're responsible for, Then murder Mysti, then wash or dispose of their clothes, then change, all without someone noticing they're gone.

Plus, according to the newspaper in the trailer, Mysti was stabbed so brutally certain parts of her body were severed. Where the hell is the blood? there should be a heck of a lot more if that was the case. Not to mention, who would go through the trouble of moving her body if it was in pieces.

However, the vampire theory accounts for this by limiting how much blood would spill, because the vampire would have drunk it all.

-🌊 anon

I’d like to note - It very much seems like someone almost tried to sever Mysti’s head if you look at the back of their neck. It’s covered in blood, as if they had been sawing through before realizing they were running out of time before they got caught.

Also, from what I can tell, it seems like we know who found Mysti’s body. Bit, guessing by the way she was being interrogated by the police. I wonder if that’s why Clown told him to ride in the car, knowing they’d be grilled pretty hard.