#Timandra

[kebriones]

I had a strange dream last night, Timandra. You were holding my head in your lap, and you were painting my face like a woman's.

[she-posts-nerdy-stuff]

*reads yet another Trojan war retelling from the perspective of Clytemnestra and/or her family members knowing full well I’m going to cry my eyes out*

[brotherconstant]

Foundation Isabel Adomakoh Young as Captain Timandra "She was terrifying in a really friendly way."

[jareckiworld]

Alkis Ghinis — Timandra's Visit to Dog's Kennel (oil on canvas, 1995)

[ifelten]

Gul Syremåler (Timandra comae)

Blood-vein (Timandra comae)

[shakespeare-polls]

Preliminary Round, Match 7

In another Goddess vs. Courtesan from Timon of Athens battle, The Tempest's Juno, the Queen of the Gods and symbol of marriage and family life in Roman mythology who blesses the marriage of Ferdinand and Miranda alongside Ceres and Iris, polls against Timon of Athens' Timandra, courtesan to Alcibiades alongside her partner Phrynia, who notably converses with fellow courtesans and prostitutes about their profession and customers.

[moths-daily]

Moth Of The Day #213

Blood-vein

Timandra comae

From the geometridae family. They have a wingspan of 30-46 mm. They inhabit hedgerows, ditches, wet meadows, gardens and woodland rides. They can be found throughout western and central Europe.

Image sources: [1] [2]

[littlesparklight]

If you add up the number of daughters Tyndareos and Leda can have, you end up with five; Helen and Klytaimnestra, Phylonoe, Timandra and Phoebe.

The first four are mentioned in some of our earliest sources (the Iliad and Odyssey, the Catalogue of Women/Great Ehoiai), Phoebe earliest in Iphigenia in Aulis, I think.

Phoebe is basically only a name - I'm not sure she is ever even given a husband? Which is curious. She is There, that's all there is to her. In Ovid's Heroides 8 (Hermione's letter to Orestes), she's even still at home to be distraught over Helen's disappearance, the only of the sisters so mentioned. (Younger than the rest, perhaps? Or for some reason just not married off?) Phylonoe has no husband either, but that's because - for whatever reason - Artemis has her immortalized; the fragments are too fragmentary to say anything else, aside from that Phylonoe was beautiful like the goddesses. Certainly a more illustrious position to be in than her sister.

In comparison to these two, the three left are all joined by one thing; adultery.

Both Stesichoros and the Catalogue/Great Ehoiai (it's unsure where the fragment belongs) specify Aphrodite having some hand in this but also use words as "left" and "shamed the bed". In Stesichoros Tyndareos has forgotten to sacrifice to Aphrodite; in the C/GE the surviving fragment doesn't give us a reason, merely that Aphrodite was angry/jealous/indignant upon seeing them.

The rest of this is going to assume wilful action on Helen, Klytaimnestra and Timandra's parts, because it's more interesting for the thoughts I'm having. Whatever Aphrodite did (stir up desire, "merely" supply opportunity and target) each sister acted on her own (desire), and that's what counts.

Klytaimnestra would obviously be the last to commit adultery and marry her new partner - is Helen or Timandra first? How much time is there between those first two - does either Helen or Timandra have the opportunity to think about what her sister did, form some judgement or opinion on it before she is next to be put in a similar situation?

Support and understanding, for the unfair standards and expectations set on women they all have to live under? Scorn, for being "weak", for failing to do what a woman ought?

Those different possibilities of course apply to both Phoebe and Klytaimnestra too - how do they look at their sisters in the wake of breaking all social mores and expectations, what do they feel about it? In the end only Phoebe will be left - does she cling all the more tightly to behave as a perfect woman, unassailable in her chastity? Is that why she has no husband to her name - and is it willing or unwilling, no man wishing to venture for marriage with yet another Tyndarid, because look at the other two/three?

Klytaimnestra being the last of them has the most deliberate action behind hers, I think. She has her sisters adulteries to look back on, knowing what it has given them (has she judged herself?), yet, she still takes Aigisthos to her bed, and I don't think it would just be as another way to revenge herself on Agamemnon. Presumably she does desire him, too.

(... Helen and Klytaimnestra sort of sharing part of what they like in men, both being into effeminate men...)

And, setting aside the way they each might judge (or not judge) each other first, all three of them, knowing each other well, each take desire in hand and decides to act on what they want. It's not what they should do, not what women are allowed to do, but they do it. There were five of them in that family (depending on how much age difference there is between them), able to share ideas and opinions.

Did they all at some point agree that the expectations were dumb and unfair? Did Phoebe - the youngest or just the one who is left behind by her more illustrious, outrageous, sisters, always cling to the expectations, agreeing with them?

Is she just sitting somewhere, afraid of when this sort of desire for more, for too much, will come for her too?

(And then it never does.)

[whatifwekilledgodandwebothgirls]

I have a small novels worth of drafts . I have at LEAST two proper full length 10k fics on alcibiades and a much larger fic about a college au of alcibiades . I also have about a multiple chaptered fics length of astarion smut and also a fics length of necromancy ritualistic lore type shit , again with astarion , all that i could post like tomorrow. I MIGHT open an ao3 account and post it all . Idk . Idk .

[kebriones]

HELLLO I have a new small Timandra/Alcibiades fic for you!! :D https://archiveofourown.org/works/49643596

[clavainov]

recovering from pneumonia with a very slow walk from the house (2023-07-28) featuring a blood vein moth (timandra comae)

[dootznbootz]

Me: Almost done listening to the Iliad on audiobook, and planning to listen to the Odyssey next

Me: Goes on youtube to find a quick summary to listen to before hand

Me: Clicks on a promising video

Video, in the first 30 seconds: Haha he cheats on his wife!

Me, in a bad mood now, even though I should have seen that coming: Never-fucking-mind, then

Yep. ;~;

Quick tip for ya: Honestly don't trust really ANY "Youtube" summary of it. Especially the ones where they are mostly trying to be "entertaining" and/or "funny" instead of educational. Also they mostly likely won't be "respectful".

I'm not saying this as a "don't trust any academic source! Historians are evil!!!" I'm saying this as a "there are very biased and very opinionated folks out there and I recommend going over multiple sources just for you to get your own opinion formed on it as well!".

I mean...Madeline Miller?

And you know what? I'll vent about how much I hate Robert Graves' takes on Greek Myth. >:(

I once got an old used book about mythology by Robert Graves and I was excited to read it! But it was genuinely just...so fucking MEAN. Insulting to stories, calling them stupid, flip-flopping on "Goodhearted" to "malicious". It seems like he was a bit more of a critic and/or thought his "headcanons" as "fact". (I say this as someone who has many headcanons and gets real silly with it. At a certain point though, YOU GOTTA STATE THE FACTSSS)

An example from it: (talking about Menelaus and Helen's marriage) "Yet their marriage was doomed to failure: years before, while sacrificing to the gods, Tyndareus had stupidly overlooked Aphrodite, who took her revenge by swearing to make all three of his daughters--Clytemnestra, Timandra, and Helen--notorious for their adultries"

Very much dislikes Odysseus, (like holy crap, even his good deeds are said mockingly) while he seems to "like" Menelaus, still calls him stupid. Seems to really like Paris?? like "Oh yeah, he needed Aphrodite to help him steal a woman who didn't love him but he's just a guyyy~"

"Athen now inspired Prylis, son of Hermes, to suggest that entry should be gained into Troy by means of a wooden horse; Epeius, son of Panopeus, a Phocian from Parnassus, volunteered to build one under Athene's supervision. Afterwards, of course, Odysseus claimed all the credit for the Stratagem"

He implies Helen and Odysseus possibly having romantics when he sneaks into Troy to steal the Palladium. Implies Odysseus made up Cassandra's rape by Lesser Ajax, as "Cassandra did not support the charge".

"Little Ajax's alleged violation of Cassandra was dismissed by reputable mythographers as an Odyssean lie"

Implies that Odysseus was only angry about Pallamedes embarrassing him, NOT BECAUSE HE NEARLY KILLED HIS BABY AND MADE HIM GO TO WAR. He implies "Icarius' daughter (Penelope)" to be another "victim" (???) of Odysseus? He also kissed poor Calypso goodbye and seems determined to never talk about how much Odysseus cares about his family. only that he wants to go home, Penelope being an afterthought.

This is a "Greek Mythology book"...and yet it's biased as fuck. :/

And ofc, people deny Odysseus being a victim.. Obviously there is sexism at play here, with the "Oh Odysseus loved it! He was getting laid!" despite being held at PigPoint and literally getting fucking raped and crying everyday. ;~; it's very disheartening and honestly disturbing.

Honestly I recommend reading/listening to at least 2 (or more) to try and get a "full picture" as just like Madeline Miller and Robert Graves, there are biases in each one. (Emily Wilson is very biased for example) Some of them while favorable toward Odysseus, also favor Circe and Calypso. Some mock Menelaus and Helen. It depends.

Like I've read 8 translations of the Odyssey (I like it :3 you don't have to be insane like me though. <3 ) and all basically say the same thing with the Goddesses as "It was not a good time. He adores Penelope."

Two or three is probably enough, and that's also if you just wanna know if there's any differences between events based on the translator. so sometimes if you wanna know the differences in wording (as some translations have very cute wording) you can just find that part in the Odyssey that you are curious to see if there are differences. :)

I hope you have fun!

[faeriekit]

Bold of the batman fanbase to use Timothea as a fem!Tim name when there's an actual princess of Sparta, Queen of Arcadia named Timandra. How can we go wrong with Greek mythology? The Drakes are amateur archaeologists, presumably. This is right up their alley.

[haematinon]

Inspired by a photo of @grimezszsz I created the character of Timandra for my upcoming illustrated book, Ergo Cosmos.

Yes, I am a fan :)

[otaharuo]

フトベニスジヒメシャク、Timandra apicirosea、9月2日、岐阜県

[eveningshowhost]

Timandra comae, or the blood vein. A european species with distribution going as far as western Siberia! Its forewings are 14 mm in length. It spends the harsh winters as a larva to emerge as an adult moth at the end of spring.