#There's a wrong way to be inclusive

[coochiequeens]

If the Catholic Church was going to allow men who identify as women into a woman only college would they eventually allow women who identified as men into thepriesthood? No because the they have too many centuries worth of traditions based on biological sex.

INDIANA

Catholic women's college in Indiana reverses policy change allowing applicants who ‘identify as women’

Saint Mary's College president wrote, 'We lost people’s trust and unintentionally created division where we had hoped for unity... For this, we are deeply sorry'

Published December 21, 2023 7:38pm EST

Saint Mary’s College in Notre Dame, Indiana, reversed a recent decision to allow biological males to attend the university if they have a history of identifying as a woman.

Last month, President Katie Conboy told the faculty about the policy change in an email obtained by Fox News Digital.

"Saint Mary’s will consider undergraduate applicants whose sex assigned at birth is female or who consistently live and identify as women," Conboy emailed.

The school’s policy change drew harsh criticism from people like Fort Wayne-South Bend Bishop Kevin Rhoades, who reportedly urged the school to reverse course because the policy went against Catholic teachings.

On Wednesday, Conboy and the chair of the school’s board of trustees, Maureen Smith, emailed the Saint Mary's College community saying the school would return to its previous admission policy.

"When the board approved this update, we viewed it as a reflection of our college’s commitment to live our Catholic values as a loving and just community," the letter read. "We believed it affirmed our identity as an inclusive, Catholic, women’s college."

The two acknowledged in the letter that not all members of the community took the same position, with some worried it was more than a policy decision. Instead, some saw the move as "a dilution" of the school’s mission or even a threat to the school’s Catholic identity.

"As this last month unfolded, we lost people’s trust and unintentionally created division where we had hoped for unity," the letter read. "For this, we are deeply sorry.

"Taking all these factors into consideration, the Board has decided that we will return to our previous admission policy," the president and chairperson added.

The school was opened by four Sisters of the Holy Cross in 1844.

Earlier this year, Pope Francis told journalist Elisabetta Piqué for the Argentine daily newspaper La Nación, that "Gender ideology, today, is one of the most dangerous ideological colonizations."

"Why is it dangerous? Because it blurs differences and the value of men and women," he added.

He also noted that there is a major difference between caring for people who identify as transgender versus actually endorsing their values, noting the contrast "between what pastoral care is for people who have a different sexual orientation and what gender ideology is."

Fox News Digital's Alexander Hall contributed to this report.

I can't believe that not only am I posting from Fox, I still refuse to call it news, and agreeing with the Pope

If the Catholic Chuch wants to be inclusive in a meaningful way they can continue to provide shelter to speak up for refugees in Palestine and other war torn reigns

[anunfortunatekinlist]

note to marauders fandom: just cause you add a bunch of queer characters and poc xcharacters to your fanfics, it doesn’t mean your inclusive and understanding

[catilinas]

hey I started reading masters of rome partly because of you posting about it (I'm on caesar right now), and I wanted to ask you if you feel like the author's inclusion of marian-era and caesar-era patricians all thinking the ahenobarbus family are a bunch of jerks is based on historical references, or something like the author taking artistic licenses bc of the later ahenobarbus married to antonia and obviously also nero being referenced super negatively by the sources means she can interpret the whole family as just one long line of men exactly like that. I thought it was very funny that they are such minor characters in the books but everyone's narration is taking casual shots at every ahenobarbus around being horrible as like ironic foreshadowing of nero, so I wondered if you knew if the actual sources had the same ironic foreshadowing! casual googling (I am a total roman history amateur) suggests there really hasn't been very much analysis of that family specifically since it seems to me they dont have a lot of sources about them until the early imperial era. also thank you for the incidental book rec as your posting about masters of rome moved it up my TBR list!

hiii i hope you enjoy mor! i can't say i know much about the ahenobarbi but i got the impression that colleen wrote everyone as hating them less because of the nero connection and more because lucius ahenobarbus cos 54 was an enemy of caesar who caesar portrays Less Than Positively in the de bello civile. like it's the same as cato and the rest of the optimates all being terrible and jealous of stupid sexy caesar, except because there are fewer sources on the ahenobarbi and they're all less major figures than e.g. cato it just becomes their entire characterisation. that being said if you want sources, the attalus name index is a good place to start :-)

[maingh0st]

This is just curiosity if anyone else notices this. People say that the TFOTA fandom holds no toxicity but I don’t think that’s the case. We just don’t have ship-wars. But have you noticed that a good amount of the fandom has a holier than thou attitude on how you’re supposed to enjoy the fandom? I admit I dislike wren and have been open about it in the past, But I noticed that the fandom will defend her and call you names for stating your dislike of her and being rude to you than do the same thing you’re doing with a character they love but do it with Taryn or another character they dislike, and hate noticing that they’re doing the same thing and call you names for stating that. I also noticed that some fans will call you names and be rude to you for having a different opinion on the next faerie book. Say the fandom is not for you for not liking things they like, and call you toxic for not having the same headcanons as them or not liking the same thing as them and being open about it. It’s especially bad on Reddit. But it can be bad on tumblr or any platform that has them do the same actions but say you’re the toxic one for not liking things they like. I’m curious if you’ve noticed that

hi! I'm really sorry you've had those experiences. honestly, I'm pretty new to tfota tumblr, and I don't engage with the fandom anywhere else (you mentioned reddit), so I've had less time to pick up on behaviors like that. I don't know if I'm lucky, or if I've just cultivated a pretty chill group of followers and accounts that I follow, but my time here has been pretty lacking in toxicity (& if people seem like they're trying to be inflammatory, I usually try not to engage)

in general, fandom lives in this really interesting intersection between entertainment (so we get the "let people like what they like; it doesn't matter" crowd) and truth/meaning (so we get the "stories reflect your ethics & our world & therefore shouldn't just be mindlessly enjoyed" crowd). I'm just a person yapping on the internet, but if I had to take a stab at where a lot of fandom toxicity comes from, it's in the clash between those two ideas. everyone has the right to form their own opinions and preferences for the media they consume, and yet at the same time, we often want to have conversations about what those stories mean & whether their themes are good reflections of our real world.

but if a character is your favorite babygirl who can do no wrong & you see someone criticizing their actions (or, alternatively, if you're deeply disturbed by the themes in a story & see someone ranking it as one of their favorite books), it can feel personal. we can forget that the individual behind that account is a whole person with life experiences that form their perspectives & whose opinions are no less valuable than our own.

I'm sorry you've experienced name calling and gatekeeping; that's really unfair. fandom is for everyone (just don't cause harm), and people are allowed to have differing opinions. I wish open & respectful conversations were more common than they are, but they do exist, and that's why I'm still here—I've had so much fun jabbering with people (who often have different perspectives on the books we read!) because I learn from them. I hope you're able to find that comfortable niche here, too.

[jinxed-ninjago]

i might start collecting screenshots that are basically "ninjago has always been this way" so that when people inevitably start complaining about dragons rising being too progressive (because i actually saw those complaints about seabound and crystalized about the exact things you think the complaints were about) i will have an entire folder on my computer for ammunition of "did we watch the same show. you know the show where one of the main characters put on a dress and wig to lure a samurai into saving him from a train in episode 5 and another one of the main characters comes from a family of dancers and that episode feels like he's coming out as gay. that show"

[viina-art]

Minthara twt is in shambles, but honestly I think "huge hypocrite" is a very fun and unique and brave way to characterize one of your game's romance options

[bisexualseraphim]

Very kindly begging ‘trans allies’ to stop forgetting about us and using non-inclusive language.

Just as a fairly common example I see here: “I wouldn’t know anything about dick because I’m a lesbian 🤪” okay but that has nothing to do with you being a lesbian. If you’re not into dick that’s totally fine but you being a lesbian is separate from that. You can absolutely be a lesbian and like dick or have experience with dick. Just say you’re not into dick and it would get the point across the same without alienating transfemmes.

As I saw someone say earlier (lost the post before I could save it, sorry), using inclusive language isn’t all about not hurting trans and intersex people’s feelings. It’s about making sure we’re not forgotten. And when you claim to be an ally but constantly and casually exclude us from the conversation, it comes across like you only remember we exist when you think you have a good reason to. “Oh yeah trans rights and fuck JKR!” And then you still constantly use cisnormative language and fall into bioessentialism.

Stop forgetting about trans and intersex people when it doesn’t suit you to remember. Stop erasing us. Please.

[alessandramortt]

cannot believe the thing that finally gets me to romantically ship furymax is, of all things, my issues with furyjack sjdhskdjd so on brand for me tho

[constantvariations]

Got to the part where Roman and Neo properly meet and I swear to ass if they go for a romantic angle with these two, I will vomit

[omegapheromone]

Do we have a consensus on what the non-animal-based term for "misceanimalis" is?

I personally struggle to identify with any particular animal when it comes to my misce identity- I know I relate to a few different ones, but they're not a part of my identity as an omega specifically, and thus I didlike using "miscecanis" or "misceanimalis" about myself because to me, being an omega has nothing to do with animals, and while it ties to my sexuality, ISN'T based in kink either, so.... yeah. I tend to feel kind of alienated because of this- I have some trauma specifically related to being dehumanized/compared to animals, so that too, but long story, not the point. I've just been wondering if there is an existing "misce-" term that doesn't relate to the animal part at all? Has anyone been using anything like that?

I'm personally not a fan of complicated terms that are difficult to understand either- it's why I like using "miscelife" and "misceverse" instead of some of the completely non-english, long and complex terms I've seen, personally, because they're neutral and I don't feel like the terms "force me to dehumanize myself" (sounds worse when I put it like that- it's just a personal experience and I don't actually think that terms like miscecanis are at all dehumanizing!! It's just a weird brain thing). It's just something I have wondered recently since I wish I could use something other than just "misce" to describe myself, without having to like... deal with the discomfort of associating myself to animals when speaking about my identity

I do wanna add that there's absolutely nothing wrong with miscecanis/misceanimalis/other variations!!! They're perfectly good terms and I love seeing the community grow! The terms just don't work for me specifically, because it brings up some really uncomfortable emotions and I don't know how to fully explain that most parts of being an omega are completely separate from any animals I identify with. Like, I just do not experience it as a part of being otherkin or similar. It's a human thing for me, and the animals I relate to/identify with are their own thing, a different and separate part of my identity.

[beneath-thestyx]

who though important info in small letters was a good idea?

fuck your aesthetic, there's people with disabilities and that's an actual issue

if important and relevant info is hard for people with disabilities, than you're doing it wrong. change it now if you do actually care about these people.

be it either color, not placed in an intuitive place, size, whatever. change it even if it's gonna be ugly.

and for someone who for some reason get hurt by this, you can change things to make it pretty and accessible. do it.

[trinrose3]

"I'd rather be called a slur" is so weird to me like IDK man,,,I think I would rather be called some weird word by someone trying to be more positive and is clearly trying to unlearn their abelism or whatever, then have someone a call me a slur on purpose...

[bisexual-cat]

Can some inclus maybe stop acting like identifying as a gaybian is the new, cooler, "more queer version" of identifying as "just" (boring old) bisexual :^)

[ineffable-gallimaufry]

btw trans rights are human rights, neopronoun users are valid and cool as hell, mspec monospecs (bi gays, bi lesbians, pan lesbians, omni enbians, etc) are valid, lesboys and turigirls are valid, contradictory labels (being agender and pangender at the same time, lesgay/gaybians, sapphic vincians, etc) are also valid.

trying to exclude people for not being queer in the way you believe they should be will always be wrong, infighting does nothing but help our oppressors. because they don't care what we call ourselves because they will hate us anyways. have a goood night and remember to love the members of the lgbtq+ community forever and ever and ever (unless they're being horrible for other reasons because people can always just suck. but also. being a nonbinary lesbian will hurt no one)

[3liza]

I have a crackpot theory about the comorbidity of endogenous opioid resistance with ADHD and autism and the widespread misunderstanding in both the medical field and wider culture about how much "fun" Adderall is for people it's prescribed to. I have never had fun in my life and I'm not about to start just because someone gave me legal amphetamines

[to-the-batcomputer]

Artifacts is a CRAZY episode of batman 2004. thinking about the future of batman always makes me a little upset... as far as that goes though, that was a decent ending