#TheNerdyUnhealthyBrit talks TVD/TO

[thenerdyunhealthybrit]

I was 11 when The Vampire Diaries started, now I’m 20 and The Originals is ending.

This universe has been part of my throughout my entire 5 years of Secondary School, the 2 years of Sixth Form College and my first 2 years of University. I’ve grown up a lot. I’ve gone through a lot with TVD/TO. From being Team Stefan and Stelena to loving Klaus, The Original family and falling in love with Klaroline.

Klaroline means the world to me because it helped me out during a tough period in my life where my ‘friends’ were alienating me and I felt alone at home, like I had nowhere to go. Hating free time over lessons. Klaroline were my escapism because I fell in love with this ship, Jodice’s insane, electric chemistry.

I weathered the shitstorm that is the TVD/TO fandom because let’s face it, it can be as toxic as fuck. I weathered ship wars, bad storylines, offensive storylines, writers being assholes.

As for real life, Klaroline helped me to stop going back to self-harming, Klaus and The Original family helped me stop going back to self-harming. I may of had my issues with TVD and TO in the latter end of the series (and majority of TO) but going back to the characters good phases, where they were great, fun to watch, but it did truly help me. The talented FanFic writers from the Klaroline fandom also helped me with the dark times in my life where I needed to escape and not think about real life (It does not do me favours if I do).

Anyway, the point is, this universe has been part of my tween/teen/young adult years and it has been a tough war. It’s time for me to move on, I’ve grown up and therefore I have no intention of watching Legacies when it airs. For starters, Alaric isn’t a draw for me, nor is Hope. I’ve notice many only want it if certain TVD/TO characters appear or certain kids of a recently turned Human couple...

But I acknowledge that this is likely aimed for the next generation, those tweens and teens who have recently discovered TVD and TO through Netflix and reruns. I am no longer their audience and I don’t want to be the creepy great Aunt sitting in the background.

Plus, I don’t think Julie has a co-showrunner to rein her in like she had with Kevin in the early TVD seasons and the lovely Jeff Lieber in the final season of TO, so I don’t have high hopes anyway and I wouldn’t put it past her to make Hope and Alaric a couple after she did Calaric and got Caroline non-consensually pregnant.

Anyway, this is not meant to start ship wars. But if anyone is not planning to watch Legacies, feel free to reblog this with your own story with what TVD/TO has done for you and why you are quitting or make it a separate post. Just want to hear your thoughts.

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I was Stelena since it started but I didn’t mind Delena then I stopped caring about both when I became Team Klaus. But I love how true this became with intellectuals - even though I hated Stefan by the end of TVD and struggled to like him and thought both Salvatores were trash, I will forever mourn early, vintage Stefan.

When Paul Predicted The Future

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PAUL WESLEY CALLED THE WEDDING EXTREME! twitter(.)com/pauljaredtom/status/1090709382361464848?s=21 - MY LUNGS! He threw some shade and even when he said he liked them together, he sounded so robotic about it, he just wants to rip his top and reveal a Stevens top (Superman style)!

BUT DID HE LIE. That wedding was one of the most ridiculous things a show has ever included in anything, tbh. It was the penultimate episode of the final season, and it was this wedding that meant absolutely nothing because all the guests were compelled, it was part of a plan, and yeah they married forreal, but then it became null and void in the very next episode. Like I’m---????

I don’t think TVD and TO can ever be surpassed in terms of the nonsense they’ve put into their shows.

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Can’t believe that @gemleilou created a Klaroline discord and she doesn’t even ship it...

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The fact is. If it was Vincent that Davina had a relationship with. Is the Nonnie saying it counts because Vincent ended up alive. They are basically discounting sexual assault and theoretically rape because Kaleb died at the end, and never “woke up” from it. There are plenty of being that have been raped and don’t know about it. A) Becauae they are dead. B) Because they genuinely don’t know what constitutes as rape and C) Because the brain puts on a mental block because of the trauma of it.

Multiple personalities might have originated from the same brain but their still completely different states of being. Which means that if someone body jumped then it would be exactly like MP, because they are two completely different people, if one consciousness consents to something another consciousness doesn't, it's the exact same thing.

Well, Klaus possessed Tyler and Caroline kissed him, which means she also sexually assaulted Tyler. It honestly just doesn’t feel like rape of sexual assault. Theft of body is definitely creepy and weird but I would classify it as straight sexual assault since that person didn’t just body jump to fuck someone.

Kaleb wasn’t conscious and he literally didn’t exist while it was happening which means the body belonged to Kol. The consciousness that controls the body is the one that gives consent, not the person being controlled.

Also we can’t really compare murder victims and body swap victims because those are two completely different things. There’s no real world equivalent to bodyswap not even if the person was unconscious, because there’s another person inside that body. Which means they own it and they are the one’s that make decisions and can consent and deny it.

You’re not going to convince me of this and I’m over this conversation.

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I saw a Delena shipper on Twitter say that Klaroline won’t happen because Caroline’s husband just died and Cami just died...

Well...Spoiler Alert: Cami has been dead for 13 years and Stefan for 8-9 years. Perfectly valid, respectable time for Caroline and Klaus to move on from their respective few days/few months relationships.

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Bonnie’s Ships

Okay, I decided to make a post on Bonnie’s ships. None of them are Anti because I do genuinely see the appeal in all of them. There is not one Bonnie ship that I actively detest and create Anti posts about them. If I was reading an ensemble fanfic, I would care who Bonnie was with, as long as she’s happy.

FYI: The order is Beremy, Kennett, Bamon, Bonkai and Bonenzo if anyone just wants to go to their ship, I think that’s all her ships. I apologise if I omitted any out, just let me know and I will add one.

Beremy:

To be honest, this wasn’t an awful ship. When they first got together, I thought it was cute - it was the most human relationship in the supernatural show. But then...Ghost! Anna happened. Now I loved Jeremy and Anna as well, they were sweet but I hated how Jeremy cheated on Bonnie with her and frankly it ruined this ship for me because Bonnie deserved better. The writers then brought them back together in a very lazy manner because once they got together, they were barely a couple - now in real life this would be good, since they aren’t experiencing any drama, but not only was there zero focus on the ship (unlike other secondary ships) but the writers constantly split Bonnie from the main storyline. The end of Beremy just didn’t really register.

Kennett:

Sorry, Kennett shippers, I tried to find a good gif for you guys but couldn’t find one. So here it goes, I like this ship. Nate and Kat had great chemistry, it was a shame that the writers didn’t explore that. Yeah there reasoning was bullshit (since they didn’t have a problem with Davina being with Kol), they should have been honest and said “We are keeping the shows separate, Kol belongs on The Originals!” - What was great about this pairing was that you have the bad guy/good girl dynamic but the bad guy doesn’t change. He’s still bad, but it was the kind of bad to everyone else except you. As I said, it’s a shame it wasn’t explored, especially since I read that the actors wanted it. But for all you hardcore Kennett shippers - count your stars lucky, by S5 the show was out of it’s doors in the show’s popularity and writing. Look at the mess of later seasons and some of their ships. At least in headcanons, fanfics and fan art - the writers can’t ruin it for you.

Bamon:

This is a tough one because I am Anti-Damon (Sorry folks, he just gets away with a lot of unforgivable crap) but I am fond of Bamon. These characters do have chemistry, however I’m not sure if it’s the romantic kind - sometimes characters have chemistry as friends but as soon as they go from friends to lovers, the chemistry dies - Out of context, this could be a ship I could ship, they have a beautiful friendship and their prison world storyline was better than the main one. However, in context, I feel a conflict because as I said, I’m not Damon’s biggest fan and Bonnie use to very strongly hate him, there are some stuff that he did that should be unforgivable, especially since before she felt strongly about it. I think if the show followed the books, Bamon could have been a great ship, but with all the stuff that happened in the show (and how the writers brushed over it), I prefer their friendship.

Bonkai:

Okay, this was Kat’s strongest chemistry with any of the actors. This could have rivalled some of the biggest ships on the show. I think it has to do with their dynamic. Bonnie has been through so much crap in her life, she’s always expected to save the day and make sacrifices and never gets the reward she deserves, as a result her character has become quite serious, she’s had to grow up more than the rest of the characters. Meanwhile Kai is a psychopath, but he’s fun and he plays into that dynamic really well and Kai did become the strongest part of S6. However, I think as the season went on, the writers kept digging this hole for Kai to fall deeper and deeper in, narratively it got to the point where he couldn’t be redeemed. But there was that point where he could have become an Anti-hero. Again, other issue was with the writers, Bonnie refused to believe that Kai could be redeemed because of all the bad stuff he in, but she has no problems with forgiving Damon. This will be one of the biggest what ifs, because on chemistry alone, I ship it but on context I don’t. 

Bonenzo:

If you’re still reading this, then thank you for staying with me. Anyway, now onto Bonenzo, or is it Bonzo? Anyway, to make it simple, I ship it. When they first happened, I found out from a friend since I was on a hiatus from the show and I first thought “Wtf?” They barely shared any scenes before and I honestly thought that if they were going to put Enzo in a ship, it would be Caroline (Carenzo are a BrOTP of mine). But anyway, I never understood it, then I hear about the one episode about it and slowly I got it. I think this is down to Michael and Kat’s real life friendship as they give a real human aspect that other The Vampire Diaries ships (I know I said something similar about Beremy, but with Bonenzo, you don’t forget that they’re together) don't since they are too focused on the supernatural or having angst. Now, I wouldn’t say their chemistry is on fire, but they have a sweet chemistry, it’s impossible to not root for. These two, like many of Bonnie’s ships were robbed (especially since we were promised a big season for Bonnie in S8). I’m bitter about Enzo’s death, these two had probably the most mature relationship in all of The Vampire Diaries AND The Originals.

Moral of the story: BONNIE WAS ROBBED AND DESERVED BETTER

Sidenote: Thank god for Fanfiction, because they write better for Bonnie than the writers ever did.

[thenerdyunhealthybrit]

Klayley Stans are funny, they bitch and complain to the writers about watching 4 seasons for Klaus and Hayley to be endgame yet the writers said that it wouldn’t happen.

When TO started they said nothing romantic would happen between Klaus and Hayley. Joseph said it, Phoebe said it. When asked all they do is stress how important Hope is for them both and how they need to get on for her sake.

They never said at the beginning that Klayley could happen, they were definitive it wouldn’t at the beginning. Only as the show went on they were less harsh because Klamille was a flop ship and they needed to bait fans since they alienated most of their fanbase by starting a mob at fans that criticise the show or telling them not to watch. Or making the show about the Originals not about the Originals.

The show lost its fans rapidly after Rebekah left and the awful second season. Shipping was all they had left.

At least with Klaroline, we have a genuine reason to complain since they blantantly baited us. We were told that a Klaroline reunion is possible, that the story wasn’t over. Then once the show was a “success” and they got picked up for the season, they were quick to drop us like a hot potato. Then Claire left, the ratings dropped and they kept alienating their viewers targeting the Klaroline fans, the ones that have loved the Mikaelsons since Day 1 as well as Klaroline.

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Okay, so I saw this post on my mobile in the Klaroline Tag - since mobile is fucked up and I just had to comment.

Calling her a sellout for doing her job!? Really? Yes, she didn’t have to agree to do a couple of episodes of The Originals but she did and it had nothing to do with ships. No actor refuses work because of a ship. They have legitimate and valid reasons. She took the job because:

A) Acting is her job. B) She loves Julie, she gave her, her break. C) She presumably loves certain cast members there - we know she’s good friends with Phoebe and Joseph. She always talks about how she misses working with Joseph and wants to work with him again. D) It’s for the fans! She always talks about at cons how great the fans are, she owes a lot to them.

But as I said, it’s not like taking the job compromises her “morals” because she’s going to be hanging out with a murderer…Newsflash: They are all murderers, her dear husband was one and killed children!

Also, even if she was a fake and sellout, what do you suspect? She was happy with The Vampire Diaries’ treatment of rape regarding Daroline and didn’t have any issues with Caroline becoming family with her rapist and not getting justice for her rape. And let’s not forget her mother being bffs with her rapist.

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mahan734 replied to your post: “Remember that Twitter spat I had yesterday, the one where...”

I watched TO only for Joseph’s and later Yusuf’s amazing performance. It’s not my fault that the story was AWFUL, the characters had zero development and my favorite character aka THE REAL ORIGINALS

Were written off!

If some people only watch season 5 for Klaroline, it absolutely and completely OKAY! It means the only worthy thing for them is their ship. If they want to blame someone, they should go after the writers, the people who ruined TO’s potential, wrote an awful story and told fan “don’t watch it, if you don’t like it”

Fair point. The show was sold to fans as being a show about The Originals. Klaus, Elijah and Rebekah - while we all were hoping for Kol to return and more Originals to appear like Finn, Esther and Henrik.

Many were under the assumption that the main plot was the Supernatural power play politics of New Orleans between Klaus and Marcel, between the Vampire, Werewolf and Human factions, while the baby plot was secondary. But they resolves the Klaus and Marcel stuff by 113 and the ratings dropped when Claire left in 116 and the focus shifted to the baby plot. Then they sent Hope away for her safety and many thought that was there way to keep the show dark, about The Originals and give it that mafia, powerful, supernatural crime family vibe that I thought they teased at the beginning. But I dropped out in S2 when they had the Faux Originals instead of getting the actual actors - and then they killed Ansel for no reason, robbing Klaus of a werewolf storyline, exploring his lineage which Klaus was obsessed with in TVD, he’s drive was to unlock his wolf side and yet in TO, he barely uses it.

Not to mention, they sent Hope away because of the danger she is in, yet bring her back even though the danger had not gone away. It made not only the S1 finale pointless but also the first half of S2. Actually the whole of S2 was a bit of a drag. I had to take a break from it as well as S6 of TVD because that was bad as well.              

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I would report that Twitter person. It’s disrespectful to Candice, Joseph & Leah. If she’s a feminist as she claims she wouldn’t want someone like this bashing another woman in her name. Plus I think anyone who talks about another’s kid is fucking fighting words. I would do it but I don’t have Twitter

Yeah, I don’t think it makes much a difference but I have reported them. They haven’t been tagging the actors and writers so it is hard to report them and for it to be effective. But I decided to report when they were saying stuff about Candice being a whore and Carina sucking Jeff’s balls and Julie and Carina loving Michael’s dick.

I’m not dismissing what they are saying about Florence but at the time it was only one tweet that was really terrible and Twitter are awful with taking action against trolls and they would want more than one tweet.

It’s funny the people that are interacting with them and seemingly believing them. They aren’t even good at leaking spoilers. I‘d trust someone who is unbiased in their leaks. I mean the ones on Tumblr like Steph, they have their own ships, their own preference. Steph is Pro-Klaroline doesn’t mean that when she reveals what she can that she shits on other ships or insults the cast. If an Anon wants to ask about Klayley or Klamille she will respectfully answer. As long as you’re polite, she will be polite.

This person is trolling, not only Klaroline, Halijah and Klayley but also Klamille. The Klamille stans that believe this person will be upset when their claims does not happen (I’m not saying Klaus won‘t die and “reunite“ with Cami, I don’t know how it ends - but I’m 100% sure that there won’t be an “Afterlife Wedding“ I think we can all agree that sounds stupid, even for Julie’s standards). And this troll is just causing drama for attention with the other fandoms. The only tweets that are really gaining traction are the ones that aren’t even “spoilers“ they are the ones making insulting statements about Joseph, Candice, Carina, Julie and Jeff and make ludicrous tweets about Joseph hating women and trying to get them fired since Phoebe “rejected” him.

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Antis are dum-dums.

The Antis are so dumb if they think that The Christian Post is a reliable source for all The Vampire Diaries and The Originals news. They were the ones that said that Nina would be in The Originals Season 5 based on an article from 2014. 

This argument that Klaroline will be platonic because she’s wearing her wedding ring around her neck is stupid considering Hayley did that and she fucked Elijah. 

So excuse me, why my OTP is the true married couple (they are acting like it in this gif right here, more than your faves ever could). and let me continue having a nice, long bath in your salty tears.

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clararosetyler replied to your post: “Bonnie’s Ships”

Oh please Bonenso happened out of nowhere, they haven’t any history - the only thing I agree it is that Bonnie was constantly robbed but the worst thing TVD writers did was putting Bonnie in relationship with Enzo, who never before was paying attention to Bonnie. He noticed her because he noticed her relationship with Damon, which was stronger than friendship. And honestly the writers did Bozo to shut Bamon fans.

Hate to say it but even Jeremy as a cheater was better boyfriend than Enzo. Enzo was working for Armory, the same people who wanted Bonnie Bennett. Sorry but everything bad happened to Bonnie was mostly because of him. I’m not hater, the thing is If Enzo has showed any interest in Bonnie as a young woman (not witch) I would buy this ship. But he was interested in quite different girls and one old lady.

And after Bonnie was isolated he was the only person she had contact - so I really don’t know If that was good material for relationship.

Okay? I don’t know what you are trying to do, are you trying to convince me that Bamon should have happened? Or are you so pressed about Bonenzo? I mean, it’s a good thing that it’s called opinions and it’s all subjective to the person.

Don’t get me wrong, I agree with you to an extent, Bonnie and Enzo had no scenes or history beforehand, it came out of nowhere, it’s likely another reason why the jump was needed. But I don’t think the writers did it to shut up Bamon fans. The truth is that Enzo was promoted as a regular because fans liked him and wanted more of him in his original stint, so they make him a regular, but then the writers had no plan or purpose for him. They could have done Damon and Enzo bromance, but Alaric was back and by then Damon’s main friendship was with Bonnie, they abandoned Dalaric from the earlier seasons. Then they teased Calaric and Michael Marlarkey even said that was the plan, but that was abandoned (likely because it was gaining more traction than Stefan and Caroline) so Enzo was doing nothing for so long, then in S7 they paired him with Bonnie because according to the writers, just being a love interest constitutes as a storyline. Even the Armory storyline was quickly dropped and it was just there. 

Also the statement that “Everything bad happened to Bonnie was mostly because of him” is factually incorrect when you consider that Enzo wasn’t even in the picture for most of the series. And personally, I wouldn’t say Jeremy was the better boyfriend, minus the Siren stuff, Enzo turned out to be an okay boyfriend for Bonnie. And may I add that a lot of the relationships in TVD/TO have almost the woman only in contact with the man. Maybe it’s not to the extent of Bonnie in the time jump in S7. But in later seasons, a lot of the female characters mostly interacted with one male (often their male relationship) and rarely spoke to other people unless they needed something.

So for someone whose not saying they’re a hater, you are sure sounding a little bit like one.

I’m not even saying this as an Enzo stan, because I’m not. I lost interest in that character by S6 when he had no storyline or purpose and felt like the actor deserved better. Like I implied in my original post, I didn’t mind the ship, because I thought it was about time Bonnie had someone, she has always been prioritising her friends, making sacrifices without even the proper gratitude and it was time for her to be happy and a little selfish.

The truth is, whether you like it or not, if the writers didn’t pair Bonnie and Enzo together, she’d likely would have ended up alone or dead. The writers mistreated her so much, that they’d likely make her final storyline more tragic, as opposed to the real one, which was tragic because she lost Enzo, someone she loved, but it was also optimistic because she got to go travelling.

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I just can’t anymore, I was on a forum discussing the worst relationship and I said that I think Daroline is the worst relationship when Daroline exists and someone answered me: The key word is “think” that’s your opinion not everyone else’s. I just had to reply, because are you seriously telling me that Daroline in which Damon raped, physically abused, sexually abused, emotionally abuse and compelled (which automatically makes it psychological abuse in my books) not the worst ship or not worst than Klaroline?  I’m not disregarding people’s opinion, but I’m just wondering if they remember or even considered Daroline and his treatment of Caroline in S1. I get it that not everyone ships Klaroline, not everyone ships the same ship. But to say Klaroline is the worst ship when Damon violated her, then Caroline never got justice for what he did! Her friends did nothing and she is now related to her rapist through Stefan who did nothing to stop it.

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my-creative-poison(.)tumblr(.)com/post/158938346905/penum-braaa-starr178-replied-to-your-post If you're obsessed with klaroline you'll love this

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I’ve seen this a few times and every time I see it. I still love it, @my-creative-poison just slays every time, even though I feel it’s a bit redundant to CK shippers due to them being okay with a character that lives in a fantasy, who has prison groupie behaviour and whose sole purpose on the show is a love interest and to prop the male lead (And this is no disrespect to Leah, I have always thought she was one of the better actresses on the show, but the writers let her down and her lack of chemistry with Joseph, there was no fire or passion). There may have been build up - since apparently Joseph Morgan fought for no love interests in the first two seasons - then in season 3 Narducci could finally lay out his master plan - which failed. But it came out of nowhere. Klaus has always been someone who thinks he’s superior - superior to the vampires, superior to the wolves and definitely superior to humans. He only uses humans as a means to the end, yet straight away he uses Cami as a pawn in his games, yet so early on attempt to establish a connection through the memoirs (which were pointless and went nowhere) and through the party which is an awful example. Then by 1x04 he removes her agency by telling her to move on from her brother’s death which is her only reason for being in New Orleans and makes her seem like she’s going crazy. And let‘s not forget that by S2 Cami says that the only reason she is staying in New Orleans is because of Klaus. Because of a guy! And stans like to proclaim themselves as feminists. The writers proclaim themselves as feminists. 

–My biggest problem is that Leah proclaims that Cami is a feminist, strong and smart and proclaims herself as one, yet she had no problem with the direction she was heading as just a love interest, her only storyline being Klaus. Also Cami isn’t a feminist if her only purpose and obsession is Klaus and propping him up, she isn’t smart because if she was she would have walked away and left New Orleans, she would see how dangerous it is, it brought nothing but death and sadness for her. Her uncle and brother died in New Orleans. 

And this is sad because when Leah was cast, I was a fan and when I saw Cami at first I thought she had potential but quickly she was a prop for Klaus and she fails the Sexy Lamp Test and The Bechdel Test. A lot of her scenes wouldn’t make an impact on the overall plot. Especially S2.

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I ship klaroline I just hate and don't think we'll get sex scenes all sex scenes are lousy!!!

Okay? I’m assuming that you’re from Hillary’s blog? Are you talking about sex scenes in general or sex scenes in TO or TVD? Granted some sex scenes in general can be lousy, depending on the show, comedies like to make it funny and unromantic for example. 

As for Klaroline, I think if we get a sex scene, it won’t be lousy. I didn’t think the one in 5x11 was. The only thing lousy about it was the context, it was clearly quick fanservice to silence Klaroline stans (which failed) especially since at the time they had no intention to follow through. It’s their fault. They continued S4 of TVD with Klaroline as opposed to slowly ending it, then they left their story hanging, TO was already a success and renewed for a full season at the time so they decided that they didn’t need Klaroline anymore so they thought a quick romp in the forest would end it but it didn‘t. Simply because that is not how you end a story. When they ended Forwood (as much as I hated it) that felt like the end. 

Anyway, I’m going offcourse. My point is was that their 5x11 sex scene wasn’t awful, and if we get another sex scene, don’t fret because when you have two characters like Klaroline, who when together have such electrifying chemistry, it’s going to be great. Whether it’s half-assed or not.

As for The Originals though? They have never done sex scenes well or even romance well. All the ships would be male-centric and about the man, except Halijah, that’s more about Hayley. 

To be honest, I’m not going in expecting a sex scene and that is just because of all the variables, like there are only going to be 13 episodes, it takes place during Mardi Gras, which is only 2-4 weeks (A Non-American, sorry) and I’m expecting this to have more of a narrative focus than a character one. And let’s not forget we don’t know the context of Klaroline in S5. Have they been in contact at some point during the jump?

Plus, I think they might avoid it because Julie and Carina seem so determined to honour SC stans (even though a majority don’t watch TO nor care for Klaus, they just care that Caroline doesn’t end up with Klaus).

Sorry for the long post, but your Anon was short, I mean, if you disagree feel free to elaborate. Personally just saying that they’re lousy isn’t a strong enough reason to me, if you back it up with evidence, it would make a stronger case. Otherwise it just an opinion. I’m not trying to be rude, just be nice to elaborate why you think that way.