#TLDR i completely agree with everything in this post
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HONESTLY I'm already so sick of our society generally treating platonic relationships as less important/meaningful as romantic or sexual ones, but to me and many others (whether in the ace or aro community or NOT) the relationships we have with our families and close friends and non-romantic partnerships can hold just as much emotional weight as any usual romantic one, or sometimes can feel even deeper imo!! I hope people can get more used to such a simple concept someday
Signed, an affectionate aroace incredibly happy in a QPR with my beloved @rubinaitoart 💜
#TLDR i completely agree with everything in this post#I generally love the platonic-positive community on Tumblr it's pretty neato#queerplatonic#qpr#platonic love
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coming outta left field and talking about something that has nothing to do with me bc i don't have anything better to do with my time right now.
that whole fandom discourse was whack and i'm sorry @lurkingshan and @waitmyturtles had to deal with that. there's def been plenty of posts i haven't liked or haven't agreed with in fandom and you shrimply just have to scroll! there's no need to make a response unless you're coming from a genuine place and can have a respectful discussion. if you're coming from an emotional place you just have to say "people like different things" and move on.
i personally am not mutuals with shan because we have a lot of different opinions about things - this is not a dig at shan, she doesn't follow me either prob for the same reason! i think she articulates her posts incredibly well and comes from a very genuine place. i don't know turtles that well bc i haven't been in the space much these days but based on what i've seen she seems much the same.
media analysis is and should be vast and varied, that's what makes it fun, and not everyone is going to share your opinion and people will always interpret things differently based on past experiences, differences in knowledge, etc. they aren't evil for that.
this is what i think is one of the most important things from shan's post -
You don't owe anyone your presence here, and you don't have to express opinions on everything or respond to tags or asks if you don't have anything to say. Sometimes you might just want to take a break from posting, some things in the discourse might just flow right on by you, sometimes you will not have a firm opinion on a debate. You can post as much or as little as you want. You can suddenly decide you don't want to talk about a show anymore. You can not log into your tumblr for days or weeks at a time. Do you, boo!
to add to this, and i know this won't be a very well received statement, if you're finding yourself having these big emotional responses just because someone didn't like your fav it may be time to take a step back and reevaluate your priorities in fandom. as someone that took a break from fandom and dramas in general i highly recommend taking a second and finding your peace again. humans are emotional by design, it's what makes us great, but if you're getting violently wound up about someone else's opinion of a fictional piece of media created for entertainment purposes i think it's time to take a deep breath.
fictional media is art and people can and should always have different opinions about art. yes, even art featuring your favs.
i left the fandom for a long time because Last Twilight deeply hurt my feelings as a disabled person with an incurable disease - but that's on me. i'm sure many people found the message an uplifting one of hope (as i believe it was intended to be.) my personal experiences caused me to have a different take on it - but again that is because of my personal experiences and does not make my opinion of it right or wrong, it simply is.
tldr: i think it's important to remember that there are no correct opinions in fandom; if there were they wouldn't be opinions but irrefutable facts. you need to get used to seeing opinions and reads that differ from your own and embrace the art of filtering unless you feel capable of having a calm and respectful discussion.
i wanted to share my thoughts as someone completely unassociated with shan and turtles from a place of complete neutrality. if you're going to have a discussion have a discussion, if you're just gonna rag on someone because they didn't mindlessly jerk off your fav keep it to your group chat or something, don't be a tar pit.
this being said, get used to seeing things even if you try to filter! it's not perfect, i've filtered out spare me your mercy bc i haven't seen it yet and want to form my own opinions but things have absolutely come across my radar (either in my own tags, clicking links, etc.) it happens, don't be weird about it.
#oat yaps#lurkingshan#waitmyturtles#fandom discourse#last twilight#spare me your mercy#hi shan and turtles#idk i don't NEED to be involved in any of this#it has literally nothing to do with me#but this is a very large part of why i left and stopped posting meta#so i wanted to give my thoughts as an unbiased 3rd party
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My honest gripe with HOTD as an adaption of one of my favourite books:
(disclaimer, I am team black and this is my opinion so dont like dont engage, just block and move on i'm not interested in convincing anyone or debating about it xoxo)
This is going to be a long post, I'm just making a list of everything at once so I dont have to make multiple posts about it, its going to be a long one with lot of over explaining so just strap in:
1. HOTD fumbled the Laenor/Rhaenyra/Harwin triangle
I dislike how the show takes the route of erasing ambiguity out of Rhaenyra's children's parentage out of it and makes it obvious. For me when I read f&b, the discussion of it especially since Book!Rhaenys had dark hair, was intentionally done in bad faith to find any reason to discredit Rhaenyra's claim as the Heir and to sully her reputation. It wouldn't have mattered to them if Laenor was father or not, her enemies simply weaponised it to use against her (misogyny).
HOTD should have kept Dark Haired Rhaenys especially since her season 1 wig was egregious and should have not casted a caucasian man as Harwin Strong since they changed the race of Velaryon's to adapt to the ambiguity. I think they should have changed Harwin's race as well 🤷♀️.
They purposefully erased the ambiguity by making Rhaenys silver haired woman and I could not think of why other than the fact that this change made Rhaenyra looked stupid and incompetent like ?
2. Book Rhaenys would spit on Show Rhaenys
They did her so dirty, adapted her so poorly I have no words like I'm flabbergasted, you could not even call them the same character.
B!Rhaenys was literally Rhaenyra's closest and arguably one of her biggest supporters. Show Rhaenys on the other hand, oh boy. From the moment of their first conversation you could tell that she was out to get Rhaenyra like idk the actress who plays her, plays her with a very haughty smug demeanor.
Show Rhaenys treats Rhaenyra's sons (J+L+J) coldly, having being offended on her son's behalf while her son is perfectly happy with this arrangement and treats those boys as her son. But during S2, she happily accepts her husband's bastards 😭😭 bro where is your sense of self. I wish I could say that this was the only stupid decision she made this season but I literally cannot believe that she advised Rhaenyra to find peace and sneak into Kings Landing.
She feels more like a mouthpiece for someone rather than her own character (like remember when at the end of Season 1, she gave Alicent grand speech about how Alicent toils in service of men in her life blah blah... literally pot calling kettle black) and I blame the writers team for that completely.
tldr; Rhaenys in the book seems like the kind of character who had been robbed of their birthright so she died to make sure Rhaenyra got hers. Rhaenys in the show is the kind of character that is bitter about her stolen birthright and internalises it and takes it out on Rhaenyra rather than the system in the sense that instead of a leaning support she feels like an obstacle of sorts in regards to Rhaenyra
3. The Alicent dilemma
Oh boy where to even start with this can of worms. First things first, I have to say I was a tentative fan of Season 1 Alicent but I am not the fan of the route her character is taking in Season 2.
I thought de-ageing Alicent and ageing up Rhaenyra was a choice. I have a love-hate relationship with it. As a sapphic woman myself I thought young RhaenyraxAlicent was cute but the writers are dragging it and both the characters are suffering for it.
So I know the majority of book fans and show fans agree on the point that Book!Alicent is a one dimensional character of an evil stepmother trope but I have an unpopular opinion about it. I agree that B!Alicent can come across as one dimensional and it was intentional because F&B is a history book written by misogynistic men and all the women would suffer from it.
I think Book!Alicent's motives of crowning her son as the King is a perfectly sensible in universe motivation where male primogeniture is commonplace (considering that was the only reason Viserys became king) and felt slighted that her son was denied the right. The motivation does not condone her actions but at least it makes sense in the context of the world.
Show!Alicent on the other hand feels like nothing but a perpetual victim. She is a chess piece and not particularly powerful either. All her agency and ambition is stripped off of her.
When we see Adult Show Alicent for the first time, her and Rhaenyra are hostile hostile and I was happy with the doomed yuri we got and that we are somewhat on the track but then.... sigh
In the same episode we see Adult Rhaenyra offering to betroth Jace and Haelaena as a while flag but Alicent rejects it without considering it at all. Alicent undermines Rhaenyra constantly but then in S2 when her allies turned on her because surprise surprise misogyny... she had her soul searching journey like gtfo i hated the storyline
Comparing it to the Book, where the Green Council was originally called The Queen's Party. Book Alicent was an active player who made decisions.
Like oh my god, remember how they butchered Show Alicent during Blood and Cheese like omg I'm convinced the showrunner actually hates woman like first Rhaenys then Alicent... (not to mention Helaena like, the show tried to make Helaena dragon dreamer and fumbled it, didnt even have her crowned alongside Aegon)
The Green Council plotting in the show versus the book tells you everything about this adaptation of Alicent.
4. How ageing up and down undermines the book canon negatively
Ok but HOTD failed as an adaptation when the victim in the books is villainized and while her abusers are victimised.
The amt of Rhaenyra coerced Cole into having sex with her takes that came out during S1 was so mind boggling. Especially in the books when Alicent herself says "Ser Criston Cole protects the princess from her enemies but who protects the princess from Ser Criston Cole" (I am paraphrasing), like this is egregious.
Book!Aemma being a child-bride forced to marry Viserys when she was only eleven and she dies at just twenty three (!), the show aged her up to be in her early thirties at least by casting a much older actress (Sian Brooke who plays Aemma was born in 1980) while Book!Alicent was eighteen when she married Viserys while the show aged her down to 14-16 (I am unsure).
5. Erasure of female characters and medieval politics
Rhaenyra's Ladies in Waiting were all not adapted to the screen. Except for Elinda Massey who they turned into a maid-midwife-wetnurse and had her dressed as literally servant rather than a noble woman. Rhaenyra has no other friends or loyal companions in the show, Harwin's sisters are also erased with no mention at all.
And now from what I've read Nettles has also been erased like fuck off
5. Suffering from the eight episodes per season problem
So this doesnt have anything to do with the way they've been adapted Fire & Blood but I don't think eight episodes per season was the right medium to adapt this story. Because of this format the children of Rhaenyra and Alicent arent given enough screentime to develop and for general people to care about them, S2 felt like most happened during that and still nothing happened at all. The general audience are only emotionally connected to Rhaenyra and Alicent as they both are the only characters in the show to appear to have an arc or journey.
I really miss that we did not get a filler episode during time skip of Rhaenyra and Daemon on Dragonstone with their children so we can gauge their family dynamics like what is adult Daemyra's normal relationship like? how is their relationship with their children or stepchildren? Atleast something so when at the end of S1 Daemon chokes Rhaenyra (jesus christ) we atleast feel something other than shock and disgust like I hope you understand what I am trying to say here.
I think HOTD would have benefitted with a 26 episodes, hell even a 13 episodes season. The Episodes were needed to flesh out the cast of ensemble of characters
6. Laena and the disrespect to her and Rhaena
Laena and Rhaenyra might only have a single line in the books about their implied relationship but that was the excellent opening to flesh it out, instead Laena was de-aged (Laena was in her early twenties when Daemon pursues her rather than late teens). In the most blunt way, Laena was treated as a disposable black girlfriend trope whose was dishonored at her own funeral.
Laena is not fleshed out, forget implied relationship Rhaenyra is not even with her in the birthing chambers, they're not shown as nothing more than acquainted strangers and i hate it, i hate it so much
The show also attempts to other Rhaena because she doesn't have a dragon (Season 2) which makes no sense at all, it's attempting something and failing at it, it's not interesting, it's not working, it's not good. They're changing her story too and all it does is cause her misery, oh my god Let Rhaena be accepted and Loved.
Why was Rhaenyra mourning Luke scene cut with a scene with Alicent lighting a candle for him but we did not get Rhaena or any of Luke's siblings mourning for him.
7. What are they doing with Daemon?
Like seriously what are they doing with him? Daemon did nothing this season at all. The writers knew Daemon would never allow for the fuckass sneaking into KL, but they wanted it so badly so they had him hallucinate the entire reason. What a waste of Matt Smith.
8. Adding meaningless characters while erasing existing ones (why tf is Ormund Hightower needed)
Yesterday Ryan Condal reported that Ormund Hightower is going to have a big role in Season 3 and I just have one question, why? who needs more irrelevant characters when they should flesh out the ensemble of already existing ones.
Ok so Nettles was erased from HOTD plotline (an important character who is a black woman btw), along with Sabitha Frey and Black Aly but they added khia #13 to the main rooster.
(Spoiler for Season 3) Jace is going to die during Season 3 and the general audience wont even care that much because the writing team is fucking ass !
9. What is the show timeline again and casting decisions?
Seriously what is the show timeline, because every interview the writers did during Season 2, the ages of children of R & A is ambiguous as fuck like, fucking up ages has actually fucked the timeline.
And before I talk about casting decisions, disclaimer I am not hating on actors or I think they are bad actors, I think all the actors are phenomenal who did a phenomenal job with what they were given.
With that out of the way, I think Aemond is miscast because his actor looks older than he is and when placed alongside Luke's actor, it does not look like a squabble between 17-19 year old and a 13-14 yr old, it looks like a man in his late twenties harassing a child 😭 especially in regards to the actor they cast as Aegon and he looks much younger than Aemond's actor
And while I am not against the decision to make the Velaryon's black, I can't help but feel like it was done thoughtlessly and without much care because Jaeherys I's mother is a Velaryon yet he is depicted as a white man in the show instead of mixed. Both Jaeherys and Alyssane would be half black, making all the future Targaryen's to be of mixed race.
10. Who stole whose nachos?
In the books, it was actually Viserys and Alicents wedding anniversary tourney feast (squint im not 100% sure about the occasion) that Alicent wore a green gown and it was Rhaenyra who upstaged it by arriving in a bold black and red gown, rather than the other way around as seen in the show.
Instead of Jace, Luke and Aegon teaming up against and bullying Aemond as seen in the show, in the books it was Aegon, Aemond and Daeron teaming up against Rhaenyra's children because they felt like Rhaenyra + children stole their birthright, the iron throne
Instead of Daemon commanding the Council in Rhaenyra's absence (S1), it was actually Rhaenys who did that in the books
Rhaenicents got Laenyra's nachos plain and simple
and I'm only giving this from the top of my head, there's probably a few more that I am not remembering.
11. Saintly peace loving women
HOTD pretends to be a 'feminist' adaptation by changing the one dimensional female characters of books (intentionally done so by misogynistic maesters) but it fails at it. In trying to develop the female characters and making them more real, they are stripped of their agency and ambitions. They are not allowed to be petty and ambitious and morally gray ie Alicent Rhaenyra Rhaenys Helaena while other female characters are erased completely and its very frustrating because regardless what twitter says The Dance of Dragons was always about misogyny and how Green Council gathered alliances to try to strip Rhaenyra of her birthright just because of her gender.
Oh they can try to disguise it as gender not mattering and doing only whats good for realm as Rhaenyra would not be a good ruler but the guy they want on the throne is so infinitely worse in every way that their propaganda fails.
In the end, while making big changes in S1 (age) the writers have cornered themselves where they can do nothing but dig the hole deeper. They had a biased history book and all they had to do was expand some parts of it that was sensible but no.....
It might stand well as a show if S2 was a better season and I can only hope they can redeem themselves in S3, because they've already failed as an adaptation of a book but it can still be a good entertaining show and that's literally our best bet.
#i havent proofread it so if there are any mistakes rip#idk how to tag it#fire and blood#fire & blood#house of the dragon#team black#house of the dragon critical#meta#hotd meta#asoiaf#asoiaf meta#f&b#rhaenyra targaryen#anti hotd#hotd critical#anti rhaenys velaryon#(show version)#anti alicent hightower#anti team green#(just to be safe)#that's it i guess#this reminds me i need to reread f&b soon again#pro rhaenyra targaryen#i am always team rhaenyra fr#if this wasnt a midnight rant at 4 am i would have attached excerpts from the book to show my points but i literally gave up#yappathon
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I would really love for the rdr community as a whole to stop trying, (and failing), to defend Dutch, and shift the blame entirely onto Micah. Red Dead Redemption and Red Dead Redemption II are both beautiful and well thought out games both in the gameplay and the storytelling. But I think a lot of people simply ignore those things, hence my long rant of a post.
TLDR: I think Micah was intentionally written to be one dimensional, and Dutch was manipulative from the start. Arthur is just a unreliable narrator.
We play through Arthur's eyes and see/believe what he does. We can see Arthur's loyalty blinds him (and by extension, us) to Dutch's behavior. I would know peace if some folks to took a media literacy class. Red Dead one & two are shining example of the bias in an unreliable narrator. Video games are not exempt from literary tools because you control part of the story. That control is limited to the actions of your bias protagonist, in this case John and Arthur.
The same applies to Micah. Arthur never trusts Micah from day one, and so we as the player don’t trust him either. It would be incredibly lazy on Rockstar’s behalf to created as one dimensional of a character as Micah. But the thing is, Arthur views him that way, a no good money-hungry thief from the start. Arthur is able to see through him, but he is blind to Dutch’s similar behavior because of his loyalty. It’s an incredibly smart tool to use in video games. Once you replay the game without the blinders on of your first playthrough, you’re able to see that Dutch has behaved the very same ways from Chapter One, all the way through Chapter Six. The only difference is that Arthur (and we the player) is slowly becoming aware of the patterns for the first time.
Now, for the blatant mischaracterization of Dutch entirely. To blame everything on Micah diminishes Dutch’s character to such an extent it completely disregards the decades long manipulation he inflicted on the gang, that is very real and very obvious. I won’t get into the way each individual character’s behavior was effected by this, but I will speak about Arthur and John briefly.
Dutch takes in people that are vulnerable and that he knows he can manipulate for his own gain. Children included. Multiple children, in fact. He always has a plan, not to keep folks safe, but to keep everyone comfortably under his thumb. It was always, "Are you with me, or against me" from the beginning. Everyone was either a means to his end, or they were worthless. The second someone did not agree, it was a betrayal, and an attack. I don't doubt he did some things out of kindness, but there's always ulterior motives. Dutch is nothing but a man of pretty words that hide his manipulation.
Dutch maintains an air of grandiosity amongst the gang. He obviously holds the belief that he is above them in all ways. He believes he is their leader because he is simply better than the rest of them. He’s smarter. He’s this god-like figure in his mind. He’s their savior. Hence his distaste for any doubt, or even being challenged.
Lenny and the conversation he has with Dutch about Evelyn Miller for example. Lenny indirectly call’s Dutch’s empty words out and points out that both Miller (Dutch’s idol) and Dutch himself hide behind their flowery words and phrases. Or Arthur and Hosea voicing their concern about robbing Leviticus Cornwall, it’s seen as a betrayal. Or when Uncle pokes fun at Dutch in camp and Dutch says to him, “I would really like to kill you right now.” Dutch may not be entirely self aware, but any attack at him does dig at him for a reason. And this is all from chapter two! There has always been a pattern.
Dutch says he "saved" them. He saved Bill, and John, and Arthur and Lenny and Javier. He saved all of them, and he is above all of them. Dutch sees people as nothing more as tools to meet his goals. There are instances where he does seem to genuinely care, but the ulterior motive is always there.
Dutch and Micah were written with the idea that we see the story through Arthur’s eyes. Arthur is blinded by his decades long to loyalty to Dutch and slowly coming to the realization of the truth. Micah is incredibly one dimensional cause Arthur sees through him and views him as a rat from the start. The truth of the story can be seen through repeated playthroughs. Dutch’s paranoia from the start, questioning Arthur’s loyalty from Colter. Micah sniffing around about the Blackwater money from the beginning. Arthur’s journal entries about the his biased version of the truth. Media literacy is necessary even in video games. God.
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So I know you were having fun and all making this but I spent all day thinking about how the others would react if one of them did in fact die or disappeared.
If Cilan disappeared, the other two would probably be in a major state of confusion and disarray. He seems to be one of the more put together of them and I bet a lot would go crashing down if he wasn’t there. Plus, I like to headcanon he’s the youngest and the two wouldn’t be able to handle running to gym and restaurant without him.
If Chili disappeared, it would be eerily calm and almost peaceful. The two would be able to run everything still but it wouldn’t be the same. He’s the middle child in my hc and I like to imagine that some people don’t even realize he’s missing until Cilan has a breakdown and Cress’ mask breaks.
Lastly, if Cress disappeared I feel like there would be a few sparked arguments out of panic. Chili and Cilan getting really antsy and not being able to take a break or look at one another for too long before making excuses and somehow turning it on one another. Cress was always the calm one and with him missing it’s hard to not freak out entirely.
Anyways..
CLAPPING AND CHEERING! Ok me doing something as a joke is 50% of the time a gateway drug for me to doing it seriously and the other 50% is just so I have plausible deniability if somebody thinks it's cringe. I feel like I've been pretty transparent about how much I love tragedy in a familial setting so I am eating these UP.
When @/billciphermpreg reblogged the murder poll he mentioned that cilan is like the glue of the brothers and I TOTALLY agree. God I think I saw a post too about how in the anime (VERY different characterization from the games but bear w me) cilan is kind of the mediator between his brothers and that in his first appearance he was resolving an argument between ash and Iris? Like its been a bit since I've seen the anime but I do distinctly remember that. Yeah. Cilan was the cool-headed one of the travel trio in BW. W/o cilan a cress and Chili double act just falls apart.
As for Chili he is definitely the driven one. in BW2 he's the most determined to get their gym back while cress is more relaxed and cilan outright says it's fine if they go slow. Without Chili, cilan and cress are completely static.
If Cilan is passive to a fault and Chili is always burning himself out, they need Cress as their medium to reign Chili in and push Cilan forward. Without Cress, Chili and Cilan are oil and water. They're totally incompatible.
Without all three of them, Chili, Cilan, and Cress can't function, not just as the Striaton Trio or as gym leaders, but as people. They claim they want to become stronger, and their teams may objectively be so in BW2, but the fact that the three of them are all still together ultimately unchanging in that restaurant after two years is pretty fucking telling. Tldr?
#ok i told void about this one already but a bit ago i had like a dream#synopsis: brain showed me gore of my comfort characters. cilan got possessed and killed his brothers#anyways turned it into an au that i havent shared here because. it's a lot more gorey and edgy than the stuff i usually post#but like yeah im totally down for kust straight up killing these boys#generally i like my angst at least a few degrees within canon but sometimea you just need them dead#asks#mine#getting too into it
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hey so Jinx is extremely problematic. im sure you could find a lot more on it on twitter, but she very openly followed CP artists up until someone called her out on it.
I don’t like getting serious on here cause Tumblr is supposed to be a nice space where I can just like my fanfics and have my interests but here we go.
Honestly, I’ve done a deep dive on them and I find everything people have said about them very suspicious. From what I’ve seen, the only semi-problematic people that they followed were just people that were drawing people that looked similar to Charlie, which I don’t think is inherently problematic because he is literally just a brown haired man with glasses.
Additionally, the person that made that entire “call out” post on twitter seemed incredibly parasocial towards Charlie and was responding to people within the thread like they needed to protect Charlie and like he wasn’t a grown man that could make his own decisions.
Charlie has gone to large lengths to protect Jinx and leave them out of his content, even though it’s very obvious that they have gone to events with Charlie and his friends, including Moonzy, Ranboo, Phil, Condi, and probably others.
If that many people are still willing to be around them, especially people that are very in touch with the online community such as Ranboo and Moonzy, there must be something we don’t know, or Jinx was telling the truth about simply not knowing and being fairly inactive on Twitter.
Also, even if they did know, something that should be basic internet etiquette, in no way when you follow someone on twitter or on any social media in general ARE YOU SAYING THAT YOU AGREE WITH AND SUPPORT EVERYTHING THAT PERSON DOES AND SAYS!!!
Charlie literally liked their response on Twitter himself, so it’s a little hypocritical to believe that Jinx is a bad person while still thinking that Charlie is fine.
ESPECIALLY WHEN CHARLIE WAS THE ONE WHO WAS SEEMINGLY “VICTIMIZED” BY THEM???
It was also incredibly suspicious that the person that made the original thread personally messaged the creator that Jinx was following, especially when they were the one making the art that was deemed so distasteful. Their correspondence seemed really weird and if they don’t like the content why would they even consider talking to them? Just to prove Jinx is a bad person?
They literally censored the account they dmed too so there’s no way of checking if those DMs are real.
Also, all of this information about them likely came from LeakTwt in the first place considering all of the “anonymous sources” so fruit of the poison tree and all that.
Also the shit Jinx was reposting was not that crazy??? Like they saw them retweet fanart of Raven (who is depicted in many different comics as being an adult) and spun that as sexualizing fanart of minors??? And also said they were sexualizing sonic in cosplay??? So many people have done that without any complaints because it’s not that weird???
There is also absolutely no reason to not believe that Jinx simply didn’t know about the CC nsfw, especially when Charlie himself and all of their friends don’t seem to care.
TLDR: If Charlie doesn’t care, then it is none of our business. We don’t really know him and their relationship is not ours to scrutinize. You cannot think that Charlie is completely innocent if you think Jinx is evil. Touch grass.
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On the other end (my version)
The background ramble and other stuff tldr at the end
My version => because if you like the concept I introduced in that post you are free to use it! In anyway you like, because everyone has their own way to tell a story and if you have your own ideas now and my little prof of concept helped you find it, I feel more than honored for it. And maybe send me a link if you ever do sth with it and want to share it.
I myself will do a few posts about this idea. Most likely in the same style that the first one was. Illustration just is more my thing and writing a fully fledged out fanfiction.
I just love to explore to many ideas. And I have two more I want to share with all of you.
But thats for a later date. Back to this idea.
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First I want to explain how Sun and Moon operate in this story.
Sun is the instigator. He really just wanted a friend and had the strong believe that Y/N and them would get along great.
So after getting the idea from one of the kids that a friendship does not require ever meeting in person (The kid was talking about a pen-pal), Sun sets out on his quest to become your secret friend.
But he needs Moons help for that. Altering their living-conditions (their code) needs both of them to work together. Moon who is bored with his daily routine obliges and helps sun out. But not without whining and teasing the sun constantly along the way.
>>here I should explain that Sun and Moon in most of my interpretations are more like unwilling roommates, that start to act like an old married couple because they are stuck with each other forever<<
And then Y/N calls them. Which puts both attendants on the spot.
Sun really wants to talk to you. But after a long debate with Moon they decide he should be the one to call you. Because you don't work during nap-time and never stayed long enough to meet Moon in person. So you had no chance to know how he sounds like.
>>What a great plan right? Would be a shame if it went wrong wouldn't it<<
Well after Sun started talking to Y/N through Moon. Moon himself started to warm up to you. He is not as used to human contact as Sun is. So he really says things without a filter sometimes and makes Suns life harder. And the fear of giving themselves away getting worse everyday.
On the other side is Y/N that just meets this mysterious person that does not turn out to be a complete weirdo but someone that really just wants to get to know them and is considerate and caring. And like anyone else in this situation they want to at least try to make it more then a phone friendship.
And The DCA is so well versed in excuses that they totally not just freak out about the fact that Y/N wants to meet them in person. Moon stays strong with his believe that a human would not want to be friends with a machine. Sun just starts to overthink everything and they both agree on the that they have to stop talking to Y/N.
To protect themself form hurt and Y/N from being disappointed.
>>How noble of them<<
So TLDR
Moon dislikes the whole thing at the start and then gets addicted to attention
Sun is desperately lonely and wants someone to appreciate him for who he is and would go way to far for that
Y/N is desperately lonely and meets an amazing person through mere chance over a wrong number that they want to be together with more than anything. But which out of nowhere starts to ghost them.
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This is a long rant and I apologise if this comes off as too much 😅 I just want to let you know that I'm SO GLAD you're part of the star wars fandom. You're one of the few reasons my interest in this franchise has survived despite the toxicness that it has seeped into everything the past few years. Yes, star wars fandom has always been pretty much a mess but I feel like these days it's somehow gotten even worse. And there isn't even anything coming out that could distract everyone from the constant drama.
Your blog and your posts about the books are always a breath of fresh air in all this. I really appreciate that you take time to make all these long canon references and share them with us. And that you actually engage with canon content! For some reason that seems to be a tall order for most 'fans' these days.
It's exhausting seeing the ice cold takes about the jedi be repeated over and over again by people who seem to have barely even watched the films, let alone read the random book they're referencing to show how the jedi are So Evil and failed poor anakin by Forcing him to let go of his Attachments so they definitely deserved to all get massacred down to the last child!!! And if you push back by citing literally anything canonical to show how ridiculous their takes are they reference a random obscure legends novel (that they are often twisting and also usually haven't even read) And if you point out that, no, Legends isn't canon (and never has been) and we could discuss it as its own separate thing instead of dragging it into canon discussions, they completely flip and say they don't care and to stop taking star wars so seriously 🙄 ( u can probably tell I've had some pretty frustrating fandom arguments recently lol)
It does feel like groundhog day sometimes with the same arguments being repeated over and over again to villainize the jedi while absolving the genocidal mass enslaving space fascists that are Very Clearly the Bad Guys. And it feels pretty much deliberate at this point when people misunderstand star wars' canon definition of attachment and project all their issues in their own lives with their christian upbringing onto the space monks... This has only been exacerbated by people like Headland jumping onto the franchise and doing this with fuckass disney's approval, so now the racist anti jedi youtubers have started attacking this new anti jedi show so if I defend the jedi I get lumped in with them *sigh*
Anyway, I just listened to Padawan's Pride because of your posts and it was fun and a much needed palate cleanser for me after the months of anti jedi takes. I also started reading your jedi citations project and it's gotten me back into reading some other of my favorite jedi fics and maybe writing some of my own. So tldr; Thank You!
Oh, anon, I hear you and I went through a lot of similar feelings over the last few months. In between a lot of IRL stuff coming up and the fandom getting incredibly weird about Jedi fans (soooo much projection going on that it started getting unsettling sometimes) and the same old constant beratement on my posts, I was thinking that I was just too tired to deal with any of it.
It did get hard some days because it felt like no matter how hard I tried to be friendly and make a point to say that everyone needed to be allowed their space whether we agreed or not, that I would still get words put in my mouth or my posts misinterpreted or accused of trying to shut down other people's conversations, when I've never even interacted with that person, I've never reblogged anything from them, never talked about them, just made my own posts about the Jedi on my own blog.
That aspect of how, if we write posts that cite Lucas quotes or moments from the movies and shows, we're taking things too seriously (or the super weird one of how we're trying to "force" people to have to take Lucas' commentary as a holy grail or whatever), then we're taking it too seriously is SO REAL, I have been through that SO MUCH. And it's like, no! Nobody has to take authorial intention into consideration! But if you're going to say that I ~missed the point~ of what Lucas intended with the movies, I'm going to break out the Lucas quotes to show that, no, I didn't miss the point. You're still not obligated to agree, but the point is that I'm not coming out of nowhere with my views and deriding me as not a ~true fan~ or whatever is asshole behavior.
And it's hard to have that groundhogs day feeling, especially because you don't necessarily want to spend that time getting into arguments with people--they are allowed their own space, if they want it! But if they're coming into our space, then yes we get to respond with an essay if we like. (And, hey, some of us genuinely like writing essays, it's satisfying!) But I've found the best mindset for me to have when arguing is: I'm not going to convince this person in front of me and that's fine, they're not going to convince me, either. But there are other people watching this discussion and they are seeing which one of us is being a pill and which one of us looks kinda fun to hang out with.
Which is my way of winding around to what I really want to say--I'm so glad that I can help you want to have fun in this corner of fandom! There's always going to be times to respond with sharp edges to Jedi-critical stuff (especially when it starts dipping into the racist, xenophobic, bigoted nonsense)(not all of Jedi criticism is this, but it does happen all too often), I don't blame Jedi fans for having their nerves scraped raw by people feeling absolutely free to treat our posts like public property instead of them coming into someone else's lane to make a mess. (I've met some very nice Jedi critical people, this isn't about them, this is about the assholes.)
But is it really worth being in a fandom where that's all we do anymore? We can't avoid the negativity, we can't avoid people being assholes to us, but we can work on making the content we want to see at the end of a long day when we get home and log onto the computer and want to see something that makes us feel joyful.
I hope I'm doing my part to make it fun to stick around the fandom, to want to read some of the books or some of the fic, I love the artists who are drawing the cutest Jedi art, I love the fic writers who are writing great Jedi-positive stories, I love people who make silly shitposts about how funny the Jedi fan be, I love people who cry over the deaths of their favorite Jedi, they help make the fandom worthwhile.
It really does make a huge difference, I think! Whenever I need that same palette cleanser, I just take a week or so to push aside all discourse (don't even go look), just pick up some of my favorite Jedi fics, just go looking for some of my favorite Jedi art, reread "Padawan" or "Padawan's Pride" or "Obi-Wan & Anakin" or "The Living Force" or "Dark Rendezvous" and just spend time thinking about the things I love about the Jedi in canon, thinking up headcanons about lineages or nerdy Jedi philosophy arguments or adrenaline junkies, and it helps create the space I want to be in.
Hearing that I can help you with that is a huge boost as well--I hope you know that it helps me in return to know that we can help build something together here in our corner of the Star Wars internet. We're in this together and we can cheer each other up with cute content and I am getting out the pom-poms for you to have fun with that fic! <3
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John's second victim
This is written super quickly and might be kind of long but bare with me! I think I found something regarding Mikoto's case! Theory under cut :D
Ever since the trial 2 ending video I been thinking non stop about the fact that seemingly it confirmed the theory that John was a serial killer, for context ever since Double released I was in the belief that John only killed one person (the blonde guy we see in MeMe) and that his memories were just fragmented (since he was still forming during the events of the murder) leaving him to believe he killed multiple people (especially considering how dismissive and well how he doesn't seem to recall much about it, only remembering the fact that he wanted to protect Mikoto). Of course now we know that Milgram basically told us Mikoto is one of the people in Milgram with one of the most kills (idk why they translated to “the most kills” when Shidou is right there, but in jp it’s more like “one of the most”).
This led me to question, how and who. For John’s blonde victim who for now I will call Blondie, I had a pretty good idea on how the murder and everything happened, I won't get into detail since it would take a lot of time to cover, my oomfie made a post that I agree with. Tldr Annoying coworker Mikoto was not very fond of, pent up rage for this person led to John killing him to get rid of this “stress” that was causing Mikoto (maybe someday I will go more in depth with this idea). But then there was the problem that, ever since the trial end video, I started to notice that MeMe in fact does show two victims, Blondie (the train murder), and… another person.
From the framing of everything, John wearing the same clothes during both murders, and that it’s shown that it happened on the same night, I concluded John killed two people in the same event, but… my main question was, who was this second victim, I had a pretty solid theory on who Blondie guy, but this second person was a complete mystery to me, I reread everything to try and see if there were other clues but really I had nothing, we don’t even have a design for this person, but we know it exists because of the Undercover crime location, it matches up pretty well with where we see John kill this second person.
(Especially the wires) Meanwhile we know Blondie died by the train, so no doubt about it. (I mean he died in a sort of tunnel place, where we can see here clearly they are more in the open, we can see the sky..!)
While talking to my friends about it this night, rewatching MeMe on loop to try and see something, I spotted something interesting: In the scene that we see Blondie crawling away, the screen has like the same effect on the edges as when we see a person walking towards Kayano at the start of MeMe, this effect is supposed to resemble the inside of an eye, as if we are seeing from the point of view of a person.
In both of these scenes we can see that the “screen” blinks, making it obvious we are seeing from the perspective of a person.
And it’s not just some visual effect of the scene, as we can see when the scene zooms in, the effect is nowhere to be found.
But look, during the murder, this eye like effect is on full display
This person is no other than the second victim. And this shows that victim two witnessed the murder of Blondie, they saw John kill, and once John noticed he killed them to keep away from anyone knowing. Basically victim two is just a witness who saw the first murder, ran away, and got killed. We can tell they ran away since the crime location in MeMe is noticeably somewhat close to where the train station is. (Credits to Doctor Bunny, I wouldn't have been able to notice this haha)
in here I will lay out how I think the events happened, because my wording probably doesn’t make any sense lolll
also this could explain all the imagery of Mikoto feeling “observed” in both MeMe and Double images here
(in fact, we even see the same effect on the edges as the victim two pov in here lol)
(All the eyes… he is being observed)
And to add last, it would make sense of John’s statement of “killing whoever was passing by”, because truth be told, that second victim truly was just a random person that was passing by, who just happened to witness the murder.
Thx for reading! This probably makes no sense since I literally just noticed this and wanted to talk about it! In the future I may rewrite this honestly… this is prolly written like shit LMAOO, just wanted to spread the idea around :D! And if someone came up with it before and I never noticed it, let it be known :o !! Sorry if that’s the case haha ^^’ And if I explained somth awfully and want me to elaborate let me know pls!! I love rambling bout Milgram haha
#milgram#milgram theory#mikoto milgram#mikoto kayano#john milgram#this is the only way serial killer mikoto makes sense to me tbh#btw i went with john being the one to comit the murders since thats what I personally believe#but this theory works either way the main point of this post is to point out who the other victim might be#John Kayano
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A different anon but I am quite interested in this topic because of the sheer discourse that revolves around this.
do you think there's any way for talia to be "fixed" as a character? not morally redeemed, but... you know. i don't see a unified census on how she should be as a character, whether she agrees with her father or not, whether she's a good parent to damian or not, what comics of hers are canon and not canon as per fans and antis alike, what her compass and motivations are like. could she be revamped once more to be a more thoughtfully created character with as little racism/anti-arab sentiment as possible? i'd definitely prefer none but that would be a tall ask so. baby steps.
i personally want her to have more agency in her stories and not just be limited to her relationships with ra's, bruce and damian. yes, they are crucial parts of her life, but there could be more to her. not asking for those to be removed, but to be simply added on so that discussions about talia can be carried on from the same old "who's the better love interest for bruce" or "did talia did this or is this a mouthpiece for biased writers", if you get what i mean? we can talk about other things regarding talia when there are.. other things
Well, as I am neither Arab nor Chinese, I can’t give any insight on how the Al Ghuls could be “fixed” to be less racist. To begin I think you would have to acknowledge that they were literally ALWAYS racist and the problems absolutely did not begin with Morrison. I mean, they were created by white dudes in the 70s playing around with orientalist tropes and stereotypes and specifically using another racist caricature created by white dudes in 1912 as inspo 😭 these were NEVER going to be well written or well thought out characters…
Morrison didn’t add any racist tropes that weren’t already there at creation. What Morrison DID was make Talia evil, and “changed” (I use quotes bc son of the demon has never been canon) Damian’s conception. I’ve already talked about that situation here, but tldr I don’t agree with making her into a rapist and think it was unnecessary.
There’s a good article here that breaks down how much Talia specifically but also Ra’s are caricatures, and also touches on her completely nonexistent agency, and the way her fans have to completely infantilize her just like Bruce and Ra’s do in order to enjoy her as a “morally neutral gal who never meant any harm 🥺”
Pre Morrison Talia was quit literally “I’m just a girl”-ing her way through everything lol, but like, in an intentional manipulative way that she got away with bc every character also sees her as someone with no agency. Post Morrison Talia is just far more blunt, and self assured, but still never on her own path. Neither of these are good characterizations.
Talia is simply the Fah Lo Suee to her father’s Fu Manchu. She has no agency, and the only reason she ever does ANYTHING is for her father or the man she’s obsessively in love with whom SHE by her own admission, is the one usually doing the pursuing (“it’s I who chase you!” “Be with me and i will live with you wherever under any circumstances!!” BARF- i mean) which is why I’m never feeling that relationship lol
At this point in time? As she and her daddy are racist caricatures in 100% of everything they are part of?Just archive them and do better with Damian idk bro 😭
Anyway, here’s some excerpts from that article:












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idk why some people think that like, everyone who interacts with you considers what you say as gods word or something. like im a fan of your blog quite a lot, but it doesnt mean i agree with everything! there is plenty of stuff i disagree with, but there is also stuff i do agree with.
its projecting, look how much the june stans consider what the hicu and hs2 say as gospel. they cannot comprehend someone having nuanced opinions, so they assume that if we agree on something said on this blog, we agree on everything (for the record, just as i agree on some things, i also disagree with other things said on anon asks or otherwise). they genuinely think everyone acts just like they do.
and that's why they act like such a hivemind or a cult, and overcompensate screaming "MEDIA LITERACY" or trite twitter memes like a broken record when someone tells them they disagree with june, even if that person is also trans themselves.
look how much they hate trans people that prefer trans masc john, or how they, despite claiming are suffering from SOOO much bullying and negligence, ignore trans masc roxy's existence completely and are found bullying/harassing people every single day.
these days june stans came here on this blog to admit that they genuinely think they are doing activism by supporting june and call a fictional character their "SISTER", all while insulting real life trans people that do not like june.
despite claiming they care SOOO much about women in this comic, not a SINGLE one of them has said ANYTHING about the "unmarried wombs" shit, or how one of the hicu writers, lysanthum, has drawn all that fucked up degrading porn with the female characters.
but the june stans have ALL the time in the world to write posts saying how much they HATE this blog or harass innocent artists minding their business off platforms all for drawing john or other innocuous ships in comparison.
so at this point, if they don't say anything about the double standards on the porn or the wombs shit, i take their deflective, hypocritical and repetitive statement of "IF YOU DON'T LIKE HOMESTUCK AND THE DIRECTION IT'S GOING THEN DROP IT" at face value and an admission that they like this homestuck filled with futa rape ntr shit, sexist transphobic homophobic shite and saw nothing wrong with anything karkat said. they like it, because june and davekat exists, nothing else matters.
tldr because this post got long: look how they only feel bothered when john, who is turning into june later, was called a pedophile for just talking to terezi/vriska.
they said nothing when meenah actually unironically fucked vriska when she was a minor and groomed karkat, all because they like her. they also said nothing when jane or jade were made into rapists, fascists, or molesters; or rose a cheater anime villain that got impregnated by dog dick.
they do not give a fuck about anything as long as they get their self insert june & vriska, and davekat.
if they say we should drop homestuck if we don't like it, why don't they apply what they preach and ignore fanart of john, from the ORIGINAL COMIC, portrayed as a man, or any other ship they deem as "problematic". or also simply IGNORE AND BLOCK this blog instead of writing posts about how much they hate it and how we are the devil or some shit for having different opinions than they do.
Anon speaks the truth like a boss.
#homestuck#homestuck fandom#hs2#homestuck 2#homestuck^2#homestuck2#hs^2#homestuck beyond canon#HSBC#June Egbert#Karkat Vantas#Terezi Pyrope#Vriska Serket
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Alright you finished Azran Legacy? Okay. Answer this question: what are our thoughts on Emmy Altava?
alright listen and listen close. she had a fantastically strong introduction in spectre’s call, i LOVED her in the movie, he was serviceable in miracle mask (though i blame that completely on the narrative not compensating for her so she got sidelined) and also she was so cute in the door to st mystere and monte dor content. i actually have a google doc describing my deeply intricate reading of her character, and i hold her dear to my heart.
sadly, her treatment in azran legacy was the narrative equivalent of a pile of dookie ass farts, and i’m so sorry for her.
1. her playful banter with luke was almost completely missing despite it being the highlight of her dynamics in the previous two games. and like, as far as dynamics, there was so much potential for her relationship with sycamore!!! god they wouldve fucked it up crazy style!!! they even implied it, but refused to back up the notion with meaningful interactions between the two. even after the end game reveals. its almost like the game wasnt paced to compensate for that, crazy.
2. her character was stunted until the last cutscenes of azran legacy (like the rest of the cast, though it was obviously most egregious for her, hershel and sycamore). for my thoughts on that, i’d need a whole post, but i do just wanna say luke was great in the final moments of the game up until the final cutscenes. even with emmy, who like. i could feel the desperation as she had to abandon luke without answers, i again wish we could explore that but okay. whatever. im not mad
3. everything in hoogland. i might dedicate another post to that alone but for now just know i thought her behaviour was childish and ignorant, as well as somewhat out of character. i would’ve been more fine with it if hershel stepped in to stop her, but he didnt, so i can only assume level 5 wanted me to agree with her actions which 🤷♂️ nah i dont.
TLDR; emmy rocks, i love her, hoogland never happened

#professor layton#emmy altava#thinking#i tagged this one because it might become a part of a longer rant. if yall will let me hehe
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hi.. erm im back (anon from the last 2 asks) (im too scared to un-anon sorry) i want to ask (another) genuine question abt wincest because ur the nicest person ive ever met who's willing to talk abt it from both sides.
i guess i just don't get why people ship wincest? background: im aromantic and have a hard time understanding certain shippy stuff, but i do notice alot of arophobic statements in regards to the evidence given as to why people ship. ex: a lot of "brothers don't look at each other like that." type things. (which i know is not wincest exclusive and is often used by destiel shippers too)
also i notice alot of people being quite amatonormative (definition: the assumption that all human beings pursue love or romance.) so it's hard to even take wincest shippers seriously when all their evidence tends to be perpetuating arophobic sentiments and stuff.
we can all agree that their relationship is seriously unhealthy. but i just have a hard time with it being even borderline incestuous. i also really like the idea of relationship anarchy (definition: relationships within this structure are fluid, and therefore have no solid differentiation between sexual, romantic, or platonic relationships.) so to me it's like. well it's platonic because they say it is? only the people within a relationship can determine what that relationship is and they have?
anyways i know im throwing a lot of words and definitions at you. you're just extremely helpful to talk to and i like what you have to say, so id be extremely interested in your opinions about this.
hi anon!!! im so sorry i literally yapped like crazy in response to this. had no idea i was capable of this much thought on this topic. everything is under the read more
TLDR for the TLDR: for me the 'borderline incestuous' nature of their relationship isnt actually the way they act with each other cause i do think boundaries of romantic/platonic r weird and fake (tho by normal 'societal standards' sam and dean r strange). its more the framing of it by the narrative and genre conventions of spn as a horror. i think. <3
everything im abt to say has been written on at length by much smarter people than me - if ur interested i probably have reblogged other peoples posts on similar topics and tagged them somewhere under #poison in the water and maybe #she walked in on us. i am SO sorry for the mountain of yap you have unleashed.
before i rly start, re: talking abt the concept of wincest from different angles/sides - its honestly so totally beyond me why people dont actually DISCUSS this stuff more. ofc wincest shippers are sometimes obnoxious when they go ‘NORMAL BROTHERS DON’T ACT LIKE THIS!!!’ over anything (like i personally don’t like the whole ‘sam and dean are OBVIOUSLY in love because they bring each other back from the dead!!’ thing. like why is that romantic. i’d try my hardest to bring my siblings back from the dead too.) but like u said pretty much all shippers do that. i think people are (UNDERSTANDABLY) squicked out by the idea of incest, even fictional, and have an immediate kneejerk reaction when people ‘corrupt’ their favorite characters by talking abt it in relation to them. and i completely understand just not wanting to engage with readings you find uncomfortable or odd!! TV can just be escapism there’s nothing wrong with that!! but i tend to find immediate negative reactions against anything that even ACKNOWLEDGES the incestuous subtext in spn uncharitable and annoying. for one, incest is a real thing that happens and its not shipping goggles or creep behavior to look at fiction through the lens of it, just as its not whatsoever unreasonable to look at, for example, the azazel demon blood storyline as a CSA allegory (again of course all this is real heavy and just one interpretation and absolutely no hate for fans who like… just don’t want to think like this <3). for two, i do think there is an undercurrent of it written into supernatural with intentionality to further the themes of familial horror.
so to kind of…. explain i guess… why i say i can see canonical backing for sam and dean’s relationship as incestuous or incestuous-adjacent (lol), i have to go back to the general incest subtext in supernatural as a whole, from a completely academic-interest and not at all shippy way. like i said ofc SPN is primarily a show about FAMILY HORROR - ‘family is hell’, to quote eric kripke in the pilot commentary. or at least this is how i view it; a lot of destiel fans, for example, tend to see it more as…. idk really, i don’t claim to have much contact with them, but certainly not usually a horror. an action-adventure. a western. a story about a Tragic American Hero (sorry im being tongue in cheek and bitchy). i think viewing the show with a sam-focused lens tends to make you view it as horror for… a lot of reasons which i won’t get into here. but i PERSONALLY - getting off track here, sorry - view it as horror. that’s what he originally intended, and it’s what supernatural is most successful at doing. and incest in horror, especially gothic horror, especially gothic horror about the family and the home, is well-trodden territory (where’s my essay from last term about incest in wuthering heights where i somehow ended up, while researching, on an essay about wincest itself). - and supernatural is full of allusions to it. azazel’s silhouette in the pilot as intentionally strikingly similar to john’s, when he first feeds sam demon blood (framed as a CSA allegory, whether intentional or not). then azazel actually possessing john later. mary making the deal that dooms her family for years after via kissing her father on the mouth. hunting portrayed as something abnormal, irregular, taboo in direct opposition to a ‘normal family’ (tho abuse also comes from the nuclear family etc etc). then you can look at sam and dean specifically….
from the pilot, you have the woman in white telling sam, who has just left to go on a roadtrip with his brother, that he’s about to be unfaithful to jess; even if this could technically be said to be about the fact she then attempts to assault him (tho that doesn’t really fit with woman in white lore?? she goes after people who have already cheated…), it’s still portraying jess and dean as innately in opposition, just as jess has to die in order for sam to join dean. all the loaded lines about ‘the way they were raised’ - dean telling sam he can’t escape it. supernatural is clear: the rot is IN the family.
OF COURSE all of this can equally just be about familial abuse!! and IS about familial abuse!! but the way the story unfolds DOES position sam and dean in…. shall we say Roles. sam is the feminised ‘bitch’ to dean’s ‘jerk’; they’re mistaken for a couple in 1x08, in 1x18, in 2x16, in s8; they’re compared to bonnie and clyde, to mallory and mickey, serial killer lover duos. crowley tells dean, ‘you’re lying to sam like he’s your wife’. dean says, at a later opportunity, ‘what about sam? does he want a divorce?’. an ANGEL tells their HALF BROTHER that sam and dean are ‘psychotically, irrationally, EROTICALLY codependent’. dean himself is unable to name what’s between them, explicitly saying ‘love, family, whatever it is’ (which is just SUCH an odd line. Like it’s love and family between you two Dean is it not??? Why are you acting like neither of those words describe it???). then there’s the way jensen and jared act it, their physicality, eg. sam looking genuinely like he’s about to pull dean in for a kiss during playthings 2x16… i also find the whole ‘brothers don’t look at each other like that!!’ annoying, but tbh, they do give each other wild looks sometimes. the end of wendigo sticks out to me whenever i watch it as a genuine ‘why is jared/sam looking at jensen/dean like that… what possessed him…’.
wait another addition - when i first wrote this i also totally forgot about 4x14 sex and violence, which iirc has dean’s siren, originally described only in terms of sex/romance, literally telling him ‘i should be your little brother’. of course the concept of a siren that isn’t really about sex or even romance is really interesting and one valid reading - and also lends itself to a reading of dean as aro which i rly like. but i don’t think that reading is any more or less valid than the more obvious one. (irrelevant side bar but there’s a 2003 sociology book about sibling incest that i read for an essay on wuthering heights called ‘Siblings: Sex and Violence and that makes me go ??? every time i think about the episode. Literally what. That has to be a coincidence. But??)
i think in regards to why people ‘ship’ wincest, a lot of it is of course just that they just kind of See It, for whatever reason. whether it’s the thematic (which i talked on at length already sorry <3) or just the way they look at each other or just because jared and jensen are hot or just because they think it’s really interesting to explore an added dimension to sam and dean’s already messed up relationship. same with destiel, same with sastiel, same with whatever, like u said. shipping culture in general IS hugely amatonormative - people love to declare wide statements about what people who are In Love do and don’t do, which are always silly and shallow. partly why i don’t really consider myself as someone who ships things in general.
i also totally agree w u that only people within a relationship can determine what that relationship is. im not aro but i also really like the concept of relationship anarchy. however, when i see the incestuous subtext between sam and dean, it’s more in a media studies way than in a way of analysing their actual Relationship (though to be fair i’m not a wincest shipper); eg. asking the question why is their relationship portrayed ‘like that’, and what does that say about the themes of spn itself. also it is just an interesting concept to a lot of people.
TLDR the reason i can view sam and dean’s relationship as borderline incestuous isn’t due to their codependency, or dean’s intense possessiveness, or how close they are, or because they spend all of their time together, or because they’ve brought each other back from the dead multiple times and get suicidal without each other. this is even though in our society all that together IS often coded as romantic/sexual and is definitely acknowledged in that lens by the writers (hence constant comparison of them to married couples) - because it could also just as equally be completely platonic and completely insane and the result of the world’s worst trauma bond (the latter which it CERTAINLY is <3). when i talk abt canonical backing for their relationship as borderline incestuous, it’s more about the narrative framing and context surrounding it. at the very least, their relationship is ‘abnormal’, deviant (meant in the most literal meaning as an digression from social norms); different from accepted ‘sibling relationships’, pointed out by the characters around them. <- none of this makes any sense but its 3am and im on tumblr so its ok.
feel free to dm also if u want to or just send an ask back!! and also ofc feel free to argue with/disagree with me in any way u like. or ask wtf i mean by anything cause i talk too much. tbh from what u say it sounds like u just don’t really vibe with shipping culture in general (might be an assumption sorry if so) which i totally understand/agree w. but i hope i answered ur question in some way somehow
#if i tried to submit this as an essay my tutor would say it was speculative and unstructured.....sorry.#this is so funny cause i lowkey NEVER talk abt wincest on here. like ever.#if in like a year someone tries to cancel me for being a wincestie based on this post ill piss myself laughing#anyway anon i love ur asks we should be bffs thanks for giving me permission to say so much random shit <3#tw incest mention#tw csa mention#spn#spn meta#my meta#asks#oliver talks#tbh i think a lot of shipping is just fascination with exploring a different dynamic
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I've been heavily considering moving my account and starting over. This post will be very long so if you don't wanna read it that's fine (I'll add a tldr at the end)
I started this blog back when i loved sky and just wanted a specific place to talk about it. It took me YEARS to slowly realize that i don't have the same love for it like i used to. Ever since season of moomin was announced i thought of it as an opportunity to just take a break and only play the game if i genuinely want to, and not just for the purpose of getting candles. I wasn't really that excited for the season to begin with probably because i dont know anything about moomin and i know i can just learn about it through the season but ehh idk man. Just my personal opinion i already thought the first quest was super slow and tedious as hell
Also not to mention some big criticism within the community is how expensive things are in sky and i agree. I think they're right when they say iaps are getting more and more expensive (inflation amiright) and they keep locking the cooler items behind the pass. I know the pass (for 1 person) is generally pretty cheap for what you're getting but i just don't think it's fair for people who simply don't want to spend money. Majority of the good stuff this season is behind the pass and i know the purpose of this is to convince players to buy the pass but it's just. Man i would love to enjoy a season and buy cool clothes without having to pay real money for it AGAIN
And before you say "sky is a social game. No one is forcing to buy anything stop complaining", i know no one is forcing me to buy things, but it sure feels like it. I've already made an ENTIRE other blog about this complaint and you can probably go look for it but can you think of anything in sky that's fun without spending money? That doesn't include talking with friends (which BY THE WAY still costs money just to unlock chat if you didn't friend them with a qr like? Why tf do you need to SPEND MONEY just to talk to someone???) almost everything in the game needs money to be enjoyed. You can enjoy the story sure, but you can't express yourself in a way that doesn't require buying SOMETHING
Also why does sky have so many bugs all the time. There is not a single update where something wasn't fucked up in the making. I know sky isn't perfect and I'm nowhere near a game development professional but how do you even do that
Anyways.. i just want a tumblr blog to start over completely and gain an audience that isn't so restricted to one interest. I like art, and that's way more broad than just sky art only because i VERY VERY VERRYYY rarely draw sky art. I for some reason don't find it super enjoyable to draw skykids (unless I'm getting paid for it which is why the majority of my sky art are commissions lmao)
Just judging by the attention my blogs and art received on here, i assumed the algorithm was a lot better than other apps. I felt like maybe doing an oc blog too would be beneficial since its something i actually enjoy and WANT to talk about instead of just. Occasionally mentioning sky just to complain about it lmaoo
If you made it this far thanks for reading!! Also if you're here for the tldr: i don't love sky as much as i used to. This blog is very restricting and i wanna start over with an art acc in general
Btw i may still blog about sky on my new blog (if i do make it) but i would more likely just blog about games i like in general when i feel like it. Only talking about sky is just... Ehhhh..
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I seen on an older post about Special headcanons, and I need to know more about him and his motorcycle!
EEEEEEE OKOKOK for those who are curious about the post, you can find it here but tldr; Phil has a Kawasaki Ninja 650R with chameleon purple/red fairings (IM NOT PROJECTING MY DREAM BIKE LEAVE ME ALONE!!)
Phil got his bike when Terzo was still a cardinal. That thing is his BABY. Sure, Nihil had a few Harley Davidsons, and was taught how to drive them, but he didn't like that brand. Wanted something that matched him, and FUCK when he laid eyes on it in a store display he knew it was his. Bought it secretly.
Cowbell was the first "backpack" to get on it with him bc they just wanted to go riding for a bit! Cowbell loves doing maintenance for it as it's identical to her firearms in a way.
Fucked both Phantom and a Brother of Sin on it, and got fucked over it by Agni.
When it's just him, he usually just rides around back roads and it's a great time to just chill out! Usually ends up over a ridge that overlooks a nearby city.
When Dewdrop found out about it, it was a joke war between them that if Phil didn't take him out on it, he was going to tell Nihil. (Wasn't actually gonna.) But! He agreed. Dew has never been out of the abbey by himself until that point, just holding so tightly onto Special's torso and looking around with eyes just full of wonder. They made a full date out of it, and Dew started developing his one sided crush the moment Special put a helmet over him and flicked the visor up to check on him.
Wrecked it once and was the angriest anyone had ever seen him. His clutch was faulty and caused him to jerk, and just laid on the road cursing at everything. He was okay!!! Just really upset his baby was completely fucked :( the whole frame bent, exhaustion and chain thrown off, the front of the left just smashed in and in shambles. Terzo owed him a favor so he called the youngest just in tears, whispering to keep it between them but please to pick him up.
He missed his bike SO bad it was unreal, just frustrated with himself. Special got surprised the next month with his entire bike repaired and he was over the moon, just so fucking happy to have his baby back!!
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watched the first episode of the acolyte, and god it's stupid.
my thoughts below. spoilers or whatever...
okay so positives first:
>live action high republic is cool as hell. finally, something that isn't original trilogy or post empire, the most oversaturated and overrespresented eras of star wars. I'm not the biggest high republic fan, I've only read light of the jedi. but I think the setting has potential for some amazing stories.
>the character designs are also amazing. everyone looks super cool. also nice to see people of color given representation in star wars. it's so cool to finally have a black woman as the main character.
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>that's it
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okay now for negatives:
>it looks fuzzy. idk how to describe it, but it looks like there's a layer of static over everything. this is really obvious with solid flat colors, especially in background shots. it just looks blurry. I've seen supernatural gifsets from 2012 with less grain than this high budget star wars show.
>the plot is incredibly stupid. Osha (yes, her name is osha, like the occupational safety and health administration) is framed for the murder of a jedi, but she says she didn't do it. it turns out that it was her twin sister Mae who everyone thought was dead but is secretly still alive. evil twin is literally the oldest most cliche trope ever. and of course they made a point of giving mae and easily identifiable mark on her forehead so you can tell her apart from Osha
>the dialog is so unnatural. "okay, so we need the audience to know more about Osha so they sympathize with her. how can we do that? let's have Yord explain oshas backstory... to Osha!" okay? Why The FUCK Are You Explain Oshas Own Backstory To Her?! "your family died in a fire, and the jedi order took you in when you were 8 years old" She Literally Knows That Already Because It HAPPENED TO HER!!!! In What Universe Would Any Person Speaking In A Natural Way Talk Like This?!??!?! you know that meme of the guy screaming about megamind 2 for megamind to use the dehydration gun? that's me right now about this fucking scene
>everyone is so bland. you can tell their personalities immediately. Osha is kind and helpful. Sol is loving and a father figure and has attachments to Osha. Yord is a himbo. Jecki is as close to a "mean girl" as a jedi can be. and Mae is just pure evil.
>like, incredibly evil. holy shit. Osha has a dream sequence / force vision and sees a young Mae and Mae is singing a creepy rhyme about how they're twins and inseparable and shit and when Osha asks if she killed the jedi Mae goes "yes! I'll kill them all" and her eyes turn fully black and I'm not even making that up!!! I actually laughed out loud at how stupid it was. I know star wars is goofy, but holy shit
>Yord is naked for a short scene for no reason other than comic relief. Jecki makes a marvel quip about it.
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I want to like this show, mainly because I know the fandom menace hates it. like, having representation of people of color, and having a black woman as the main character is great! but it literally feels like some corporate executives are trying to check all the diversity boxes, and then forgot to write an interesting show.
and I know that if I give any valid criticism about the show, stupid idiots on twitter will go "yeah! and also it's too woke!" and think I agree with their horse shit opinions.
but like legit, I was sorta excited for this show, and now I'm just too tired to even care. it's not often that a show loses my interest completely after the first episode. and I'm pissed, because high republic star wars has so much potential to be cool.
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tldr, star wars would be so good if it was good.
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