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being in a fandom long term: urrrrrrrrrrgh not this shitty argument again we’ve covered this

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I am almost done with everything study related, which means I can finally start working on my victims document once again !!! wooo !!!

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Hey Vin! What do you think Kazui and Hinako would be like if they were parents?

Hello, anon!! In fact, I'm surprised that you remember both this question and the fact that I still haven't answered it since August. It is even pleasant to some extent, huh. I've been thinking about this question since the first time I received it, but I still didn't have time to finally sit down and answer it properly.

It's been a few months and you know what? I really don't know how to answer it. It never occurred to me that they could have children and that they could be parents together, given their story and everything that happened. It's hard for me to even imagine an AU with such a scenario. Something seems wrong to me about all this and i'm sorry about it, this is clearly not the answer you would expect to receive from someone whose arts/texts in the fandom is dedicated to these characters.

I have always seen them only as two good friends who were trapped by public pressure and partly because of Kazui's own actions, so everything about the family part in their case is perceived by me as something against their own will.

But if i try to imagine, at least for a couple of seconds, what kind of parents Kazui and Hinako would be, then I think it would be something like this:

Source: "Monster" by Naoki Urasawa. Chapter 98.

That's the only thing that popped into my head when I first saw your question in August. And even after months of thinking, that's the only thing that stays in my head when we talk about this question.

I'm not trying to make Kazui look like a monster or a person who wouldn't care about his loved ones, if that's what you thought when you saw these pages. I want to say would Hinako and Kazui really be happy as parents if their marriage was originally the result of public pressure and Kazui's loss of his own feelings/emotions, where he just goes with the flow, not knowing what he wants.

Hinako would be most likely to love the child sincerely, as she loved Kazui, but the main question is whether he would love them the same way in return. We don't know what kind of relationship they had in their marriage, what they did, how they showed their feelings, and whether everything was fine with them. But we know for sure that Kazui didn't love Hinako the way he was expected to. I want to remind you who gave away the blank form when there was a question of love for their victim.

That's right! It was him. He had nothing to answer, because any other answer in this moment would be superfluous and would further complicate an already complicated situation.

Also want to remind you how Kazui sees marriage, because I think it's important in this question.

The 2nd trial. Question 15.

What are your thoughts on marriage? Kazui: It's great for social creditability, and also because I thought that with it something could have changed.

For social creditability. Marriage serves as a way for him to integrate into society, adapt and live the way they want him to, otherwise life will be trite more difficult.

This reminded me of another moment from one manga, which, with your permission, I will attach below. Although this frames is somewhat taken out of the context of the character from the pictures, I think it fits Kazui perfectly.

Source: "Monster" by Naoki Urasawa. Chapters 92, 97, 97.

Adaptation in society. Creating a cover so as not to stand out and not cause unnecessary questions. What Kazui has been doing all his life. A successful and respected job, a wife, a child, a big house are adaptation too, just like smiling. The ideal representation of a family and person in a society that wants everyone to conform to it.

Kazui was talking about his father and, most likely, the father wanted his son to follow in his footsteps. He also says that of all the prisoners, he would choose Amane as part of his family. Most likely, this makes people think that he would be a good and loving father who does everything possible not to follow in his own father's footsteps. But that sounds too good for a man who is afraid to admit his real self and, perhaps unknowingly, harms others to protect himself.

The 1st trial. Question 7.

"Do you like yourself?" Kazui: I can't really say I do.

The 2nd trial. Question 16

What are lies to you? Kazui: Ways to live without getting hurt.

The 1st trial. Question 18.

Do you regret your "murder"? Kazui: I do regret it. I should have kept lying.

Source: "Monster" by Naoki Urasawa. Chapter 97.

There is no guarantee that he will not feel guilty for having a child, as he feels guilty for marrying Hinako. There is no guarantee that he will not, without realizing it, try to distance himself emotionally or physically from the child and Hinako. Is this really what he really wanted on his own, was it his own decision or just another stage for a "full-fledged" entry into a society that will accept him only if he lies? I know that he would have tried his best, as he has been trying to fit into society all this time. But it didn't work in his case.

This is what brings us back to the pages at the very beginning of the post. The most accurate representation of how I imagine a situation where these two have a child. It's hard for me to imagine Kazui in a relationship while he's so messed up with himself. It would be unhealthy for both him and Hinako, who even in the original story guessed that something was wrong.

And what about Hinako? Oh, she would try to be a good mother to the child, I'm sure of it. Hinako is my favorite character of all the milgram victims. I adore this woman, I adore everything connected with her. I want to find out what she is like in the canon, because at the moment I imagine her as something between Applejack and Fluttershy. A strong, hardworking and caring woman who cares about the people around her. But personally, I don't want to see her as a mother. The last thing a woman needs, who is one of the key figures in the story that tells how a heteronormative and misogynous society drives people into the traditional framework of "husband, wife, child and a gorgeous wedding", is a child. Trust me. She will try her best. But does she need it if, quite likely, this is not what she wants? That's what I want to say.

I apologize if this is not the answer you wanted to get, or that I spent most of the post on Kazui. He is the main one in his story and it is from him that the marriage with Hinako begins. Therefore, I think the mess with the child would also partially start with him. To me, he's more like an uncle who shows up at Christmas with a bag of presents, making various jokes along the way, because he wants and can afford it. Both Kazui and Hinako would get along well with other people's children, but not their own.

Thank you for this question. Thank you for your patience. I hope it was interesting for you to read this.

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Zombies Mahiru believers (me) it's SO over.

Monitoring is the best deco song anyways so I win regardless

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I want to say that me myself I am not that big of a believer in the Esu is the 11th prisoner mainly because I don't find that answer that interesting mainly by the fact that we don't know Esu's background or anything, but i got really curious because when people bring up prisoner es, the implication of them killing someone is rarely brought up so hmm got me thinking

The theory that Esu is the 11th prisoner is very popular and the most generally agreed answer, but I haven't seen people gen explain what would that mean for Esu's situation, after all we know Milgram only takes people who have ended a human life some way or another as prisoners, meanwhile for Wardens we don't know what Milgram's way of picking wardens works like, tldr do you think Es killed someone/ Is involved in someone's death?

Elaboration in reblogs are once again encouraged! I love reading theories for these kind of topics!!

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The theory that Esu is the 11th prisoner is very popular and the most generally agreed answer, but I haven't seen people gen explain what would that mean for Esu's situation, after all we know Milgram only takes people who have ended a human life some way or another as prisoners, meanwhile for Wardens we don't know what Milgram's way of picking wardens works like, tldr do you think Es killed someone/ Is involved in someone's death?

Elaboration in reblogs are once again encouraged! I love reading theories for these kind of topics!!

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Tbh my interpretation is that those 5 are the ones with a murder that outside of Milgram wouldn't really be punished

Fuuta, Mahiru and Kazui are all cases of the victims comitting suicide, and unless certain circumstances, it's not normally punished in a court of law.

Yuno is implied to have perform an intentional miscarrige and that isn't exaclty illegal iirc.

Kotoko's murder we saw in harrow has been confirmed to have been something she got away with, as it was clasified under self defense.

Idk i always saw it as just art of the "legally innocent" prisoners being mega restrained just to show how milgram doesnt follow normal law

i wonder why its only kazui, yuno, fuuta, mahiru and kotoko who have the custom restraint drawings in the PV

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It's sad to me that if the Milgram cases were Real with ALL the character traits/situational factors being the Same and we analyzed the people the same way we do the characters, we'd all be mocked and degraded for humanizing these "muderers" (except MAYBE Shidou and Yuno but that's not even beginning to touch the other end of the spectrum; some of the patronizing the fans do of characters reflect their real-life sense of "pity" etc.)

Like obviously people are gonna be wary about actions that lead to Death but tbh ALL THESE MURDERS WERE PREVENTABLE WITH BETTER SOCIETAL STRUCTURES

this wasn't supposed to be a long post but fuck it

Haruka needed a caretaker and a care team who understood his emotional and physical needs; he was neglected and compared instead, left to cope with intensely painful emotions alone.

Yuno is highly isolated and seeks feelings of warmth and closeness in quick gratification, because giving your heart to someone else in a selfish world is dangerous; she needed honesty and realness, and also an economy that doesn't make men's objectification of her an ideal career choice.

Fuuta is also highly isolated and has extremely punitive views; his "community" was built on vitriol instead of good faith.

Muu is a neglected teen who lashed out as a result of the social structures she and her friends perpetuated; a culture of perfectionism and hierarchal notions make desperation to stay "on top" explosive.

Shidou shouldn't live in a world where he has to "deceive" people to help transplant patients, or suffer with guilt over his own family; a culture of death acceptance and genorosity would help him overcome these horrible feelings.

Mahiru had her mind fixated on a highly commercialized/mainstream idea of "love" and "romance," wrapping her self-worth in it to the point where she pulled another down; had her partner been honest with her, in a world where saving face and repression wasn't more important than communicating, they could have been at peace with or without each other.

Kazui was forced by the expectations of others to play a role he never wanted to, and another human's hopes and dreams were wrapped up in this role; his "failure" to be a husband to her as a straight man would not have even been an issue in a world where everyone can explore themselves without shame.

Amane was raised with cult ideology and shown immense levels of violence for a child to comprehend; she should have been protected, and a world where safety is more important than ideology would have saved their whole family.

Mikoto was heavily abused to the point where "survive by any means necessary" is on the table; everyone involved in his "murder" would have been better off showing a lot more compassion to others AND themselves.

Kotoko, though no "tragic backstory" that we know of, has always known that this world and that people in it can be violent and cruel; giving them a taste of their own medicine wouldn't be so bad if the medicine weren't so horrible to begin with.

If this world sought understanding before judgement, Es would not have the weight of 10+ worlds on their shoulders.

But if the world wasn't this way, we wouldn't have Milgram.

So it goes.

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Killcheroy sketch bc she deserves far more love in this fandom :>

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working on my victims megadoc and im surprised I had so much to write about Yuno's aborted fetus... my autism is unmatched (btw wanna add that I believe yuno's milgram sin is her accidental suicide, I just wanna cover all bases)

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Guess about time I make an intro huh Welcome to Victimcentral, I am Koit I go by it/its and I got an insane Autism when it comes to Milgram that just wont go away!! someone save me !!!! This is my Milgram specific blog, where I post my own theories and art and also reblog Milgram stuff (outside of fanart)! I guess this is a sort of archive for myself when it comes to Milgram stuff, and only Milgram stuff.

I am personally very interested in talking about the victims in general and is the main reason why I created this account, so expect my posts to be about them mostly, when I get the time outside of my studies of course. If you want to follow me outside of this acc, my main acc is Coit, where I reblog Milgram fanart anddd all my other cringe interests !! woah yeah cringe warning xp. I still need to work on my intro over there...

Half assed done intro that I will remake another time... just felt like I needed a proper intro :]

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the chronicles of us going insane

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Kotoko practice sketch because I realized I dont draw her enough even tho shes one of my favs..... her hair is complicated

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i want to know more about mappi’s boyfriend… like to me, he’s literally just a guy. like that specific brand of teacher in high school that is just some guy. they aren’t mean but they aren’t really charismatic either 🤔

like mappi’s boyfriend just exudes the same energy as a teacher that i had in my sophomore year. he was so average and quiet and i asked to have one of his curly fries once and he actually let me 😭

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I've been thinking about this lately. How the hell did Mikoto not get caught? Let me break this down for yall.

He was not wearing gloves and left his jacket and beanie behind. So he left both fingerprints and his own DNA behind. He walked home covered in blood. He dumped trash in a no-dumping zone and killed someone in a public place. He had to have been caught on some security cam. Then he used brute force. I haven't exactly killed someone with brute force myself, but I highly doubt that its quiet. The one thing that Mikoto has going for him, is that he did it during the night in a remote area. 

I feel like this just adds to my theory that what's presented in the MVs is extremely warped, more so then the others, and that we've barely touched the surface.

Or maybe he did get caught like what happens in the first novel.

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I finally got new batteries for my digital pen, so a little Yuno warm up, so sorry if it looks insanely scuffed lol

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MILGRAM x Karatez Interrogation Questions

Disclaimer: Weather-cluddy (and Maristelina) already translated these, I am not so filled with hubris that I think my work is better than theirs This is just me doing a favour for a friend who was bothered by the formatting/image quality of the original post That said, repackaging other people's work wholesale is a bit weird so these are my translations (yes I am procrastinating the hallucenation stuff but I promise I've started working on it)

Do you have any memories of karaoke?

Haruka: I feel like I went when I was really little I remember hearing my parents singing I want to try going with everyone

Yuno: I use them a bunch! I do things like going singing with my friends, as well as for some other stuff* Could you set it up for us in the prison? [Karaoke rooms are cheap, private and soundproof meaning a lot of people use them for 'hook ups', I'm pretty sure you're not meant to use them for that though, I wonder if the sponsor was aware Yuno was one of those people]

Fuuta: I only went around the time I started uni and was doing new student stuff But I stopped going not long after

Muu: I've been a couple times But most of the time I just end up chatting with my friends

Shidou: My family used to go Although I'd usually just be there listening to them

Mahiru: I feel like it'd be a good first date, wouldn't it? Then I could learn what my partner's favourite songs are... What kind of music do you listen to?

Kazui: I'd go there for stuff like drinking afterparties, y'know Drunk old men* really like singing, don't they? Recently the food's also really good, hasn't it? [*Kazui's favourite word ojisan lol]

Amane: I don't You can't have memories of something if you never went

Mikoto: Back in uni it was a godsend, I'd go almost every week I'm pretty confident in my ability to liven up karaoke Because I mastered the songs that everyone enjoys [Mikoto uses 'boku']

Kotoko: I've used them a lot before They're the most affordable kind of private room So they're really convenient when you don't want your conversations overheard

Images/Transcript below the cut

カラオケの思い出はあるか？

ハルカ：ちいさいときに行ったきがします おやがうたっているの聞いてたとおもいます みんなと行ってみたいです [Image source: moibakadesu]

ユノ：よく使うよ 友達と歌いに行くのもあるし、他にも色々 監獄の中にも作ってくれるの？ [Image source: K-Books]

フウタ：大学入ったばっかりときは新歓とかで行ったけど そのうち行かなくなったな [Image source: K-Books]

ムウ：たまに行くよ ムウ場合はほとんど友達とおしゃべりしてる [Image source: K-Books]

シドウ：家族で行きましたよ 俺は大抵聴いているだけですけど [Image source: K-Books]

マヒル：付きあいたてのデートって感じがしていいよね 相手のお好みの曲覚えたりして… あなたはどんな曲聴くの? [Image source*: Weather-Cluddy, but this image also appears on an earlier DCinside post with a different crop, so I think it's taken from a now deleted source and I couldn't find any other images]

カズイ：飲みの二次会とかで行くねぇ 酔っ払ったおじさんは歌いたがるもんなのさ 最近はご飯もちゃんと旨いからいいよね [Image source: melsie]

アマネ：ありませんね 行ったこともので思い出などあるはずもありません [Image source*: Similar situation to Mahiru where the earliest source is Weather-Cluddy/the DCinside post but I can't find any other images/their sources]

ミコト：そりゃもう大学時代なんてほぼ毎週お世話になってたよ カラオケの盛り上げ方なら相当自信あるよ、僕 老若男女の喜ぶ曲マスターしてるからね [Image source: K-Books]

コトコ：よく使ってたよ 一番手頃な個室だから 聞かれたくない話をするには重宝する [Image source: K-Books]

*if anyone could provide better quality/sourced images I would appreciate it