#St fandom salt

[flushed-for-the-trolls]

Byler Is Toxic As Fuck And Sucks

Honestly, as of S4 Vol. 2 Byler is this toxic relationship of Will's codependency and obsession of Mike and Mike's staunch refusal to grow as a person unless led by the fucking hand (presumably by Will).

And the only other self evident fact worse than the one I just laid out is that no matter what, fans of the show will NEVER acknowledge any of this.

The fact of the matter is: If these sort of events transpired between friends, like:

(Being talked down to after your friends ignored your whole ass D&D campaign ((I don't play D&D but from what I've heard, that shit doesn't just happen on a whim and they typically take several hours to see through, so double ouchies there)).

Having your lack of a romantic/sexual desire being thrown in your face and treated as the problem when it's absolutely not,

Giving up D&D in honor of your party disbanding... Only to have them join a D&D club the second they get into High School,

Being ignored for a whole ass year,

Having your supposed best friend FORGET YOUR BIRTHDAY, then blow up at YOU at it when you're ((understandably)) upset and moody,

Having to carry the emotional burden OF said friend on 2 separate occasions, including ((and I CANNOT believe I am saying this)) giving your friend a pep-talk and painting to convince him that HIS OWN GIRLFRIEND STILL LOVES HIM

and

... Ugh... What I can only describe as the BIGGEST slap to the face. the monologue.)

You would ABSOLUTELY cut off a shitty excuse for a friend. At this point this ship is just romanticized toxicity and I've just stopped loving it.

When I see Will still simping for his deadbeat excuse of a friend I just roll my eyes. It's not cute, it's disturbing and pathetic. This isn't love, it's romanticized Stockholm Syndrome.

Will doesn't need Mike, he needs a firm sit-down on how to cut ties and move on with his life.

Will deserves someone better, and so does El, for that matter.

Anyways, this was supposed to be 100x more coherent and structured, but I switched off the tab and when I switched back to the one I was writing this on, it refreshed without my input and I lost it all, so fuck it, this is all you're getting.

Just about every ship's fandom sucks, but by God does the cake go to Byler fans, sorry but not really tbh.

I will say tho: Kinda sucks going through the Anti Byler tag, cuz it's either shipping discourse (Hell) or people being straight up homophobic (mega hell)

[jonathanbyersphd]

I think my hottest take is that Murray shouldn't have been in this story past s2

[kneejerknuck]

why are anonymous oilers fans jumping into ur dms to complain and play “gotcha” on tumblr dot com of all places…i fear reddit is the website they’re best suited for bc where is the whimsy!

i brought it on myself by mentioning them in one SINGLE post in a fit of post win elation last night

i do, however, agree that reddit is a better platform for their particular brand of fandom

[thomas-jefferson-miku-binder]

i feel like a douche for saying this because fandom spaces are for fun and you can do whatever you want in them. but man it sucks a bit how star trek has so much to praise and so much to be criticized for yet all i see is. ship talk.

like i love spirk just as much as anyone else but it feels a bit… frustrating, wanting to talk about the symbolism or the writers’ prejudice and how this series makes you hope for a better time while not actually offering it…

yeah i did like domestic spirk! but is that seriously all you have to say about the city on the edge of forever?

[dizzying-waves]

I can't decide which fandom I had the worst experience in, Svtfoe or Miraculous.

[american-horror-whore]

what are your opinions on natalie? i feel like we haven't seen her and evan in a while.

woo, okay, so (long ramble under the cut)

To start off, as i’m aware they haven’t been seen together (relationship wise) since october, though they were spotted hanging out, as what was assumed by many, as friends + accompanied by someone else. As far as the fandom is aware, they didn’t spend Christmas, Thanksgiving, or New Year together, considering Nat was in Australia (her ex was assumed to be around the same area, as he made a post on his story near the same location but take that with a grain of salt since the story is no longer available) and Evan was assumed to be in St. Louis.

As far as my stance goes, i’m neutral on her. there’s some things i like about her, and some things I don’t like, which we’ll be talking about here. as of recent, i’ve heard on many accounts she’ll block anyone that asks about evan. she also turned off her comment section after an argument with a fan where she had called the bond between her and Evan, a ‘friendship’, which threw off many of us. Another account stated that back during the coachella ‘scandal’, she had her friends take a video of her and Evan (while he was assumed to be intoxicated, because well it’s a music festival) and send it off to Deuxmoi, which was then confirmed by them in a podcast, saying the video was sent in by someone in Natalie’s “inner circle”. That part was later cut out of the podcast episode after someone, most likely natalie, reached out to them. she also stated in the comment section argument that she was ‘traumatized’ from said incident, when there is in fact footage of her looking straight at the camera while being on top of him, and she still allows herself to be tagged in that video on instagram, not even attempting to remove it. i personally consider that extremely contradicting, but that’s just my opinion.

I was never ever one to dislike her from the start. I had a hopeful stance on her, but there’s been a few ‘fishy’ incidents with her, and i’ve been trying to dig up as much proof as possible. She seemed like a good-intentioned person, and I don't particularly hate her, but I do wish she wouldn't try these mind games with Evan's fandom, it's like a whole “where's waldo” situation in all of her stories and it's why i’ve been kind of fed up with her. she’d starting to irritate me and adding more things to the pile that make me like her less and less. she doesn't benefit my time at all, which is why i try not to dwell on her too much, but she can’t seem to escape my fyps and dashes. most of the aforementioned evidence was sadly lost after the original evan peters subreddit was privated. I’m currently in contact with a few of the original screenshot sharers to see if they still have them and I will edit this post one I gather the receipts. I’ve been very very open minded about her until these incidents came up, and i still try to be open minded, but it’s started to get a bit difficult. I understand this post might get some backlash, but at this point, it’s my blog, and people on the internet have no say in my actual life. anon, thank you for allowing me to talk about this subject. anyone else who has thoughts, feel free to interact. a respectful back-and-forth is always welcome !!

and to everyone else, consider this my resumé for a position as an official evan peters gossip blog, as well as being a writer 🖤

[ilikekidsshows]

My current problem with the fandom stems from the sheer hypocrisy, especially surrounding their treatment of Marinette vs Adrien regarding salt and salt fics. With the former, despite her taking the side of her boyfriend's ab*ser and a literal terror*st while seeing her boyfriend as a literal object, she still gets excused for this constantly by the fandom, and people lament about all the difficulties she's taken on to 'protect' Adrien.

Meanwhile, Adrien, who just wanted Marinette to stop going mad over exposing Lila, is painted as a doormat and manipulator who doesn't care about Marinette even though he did try to talk to Lila about her actions and came to Marinette's defense when she was about to be expelled before working to get back into school.

It's just frustrating the blatant double standard, how people will bend over backward to excuse or make light of every one of Marinette's worst moments, but Adrien (and their class) get their lives destroyed in salt fics and treated worse than Marinette ever was in those stories. Meanwhile, Marinette is this poor, innocent angel without a wicked bone in her body when that's not really the case in-universe. She will sabotage other girls, has control issues, especially with regard to Adrien, and has used her friends for her own benefit occasionally, but none of these flaws are ever addressed by anyone. No, they're downplayed or nonexistent in favor of Saint Ladybug given everything she ever wanted handed to her on a silver platter while everyone else has to burn for joining Lila.

Honestly, I wish there was a story that had both Marinette and Adrien realizing they're just not right for each other and just going their separate ways to find themselves, without salting on anyone else.

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Hard same. Like, it's so crazy that this show somehow manages to pit the fans of the different halves of its main couple against each other. It’s also clear it’s happening because they've managed to frame the relationship in a way where the other gaining something requires something to be taken away from the other. Their needs directly contradict each other because they don’t truly have any shared goals. It's so unhealthy.

Like, Marinette gets a boyfriend who caters to her every whim without her having to give anything back and only ever sets boundaries that benefit her, while Adrien loses the chance to grow out of his abuse reponses. Marinette gets the boy of her dreams she can only say she likes for being pretty and who she can’t talk to, while Adrien loses the chance to date a person who actually makes him feel loved. Marinette gets to be with the target of her obsession, while Adrien loses the chance to even choose a girl other than Marinette. Marinette gets to choose how everything in their relationship progresses, while Adrien loses the right to determine anything that happens in the relationship.

Any attempt at giving Adrien any of the healing, agency and boundaries any person should rightfully have in a relationship, requires us to strip away the benefits Marinette gets from this relationship. Adrien's gain would be Marinette's loss. That's why the “these two would both be better off if they just broke up” take is considered salt, in addition to the fact that Adrien is one of the two things Marinette wants the most. So, any suggestion of even a temporary breakup is met with: “You want to punish Marinette (by taking her prize away)! You just hate Marinette!”

The weird thing is that Marinette stans have been opposed to Adrien from almost the start. It could be they bought into Marinette's entitlement and resented Adrien for not just instantly giving Marinette the prize she deserved. Or it could be that, before he was beaten down into blind obedience, Adricat was one of Maribug's primary foils and would be the one to push back against her when she was doing something ill advised and Marinette stans grew to resent him for “bad advice” that just wasn't what they or Marinette wanted to hear. Adrien is hated for his roles in the story, the unattainable love interest and the person who questions the lead, so it's not something that could easily be changed and it seemed more unforgivable.

In contrast, the biggest problem with Maribug was always her refusal to see Adricat as a human being. Any way she treats them wrong can be traced back to this attitude. Adrien was a prize to be won, and Cat Noir was a fae creature emotional support dispenser. And yet, despite this far bigger problem, I never hated Marinette with the vitriol Marinette stans have always hated Adrien with, probably because Marinette's problems were small character details, they were things she could easily grow out of with some character development.

Ironically, Adrien's role in the story has now been changed, into doting boyfriend and team hype man, while Marinette dehumanizing Adrien has only gotten worse.

[milevenstancyendgame]

i NEED to hear your thoughts on this:

Yeah, it seems like sending links isn't allowed in asks, which sucks.:/

I'm flattered you're asking for my opinion.🙃 I chose not to check out the post you described (turns out I already have that blog blocked, for good reasons I think.😂), because I really don't want to waste my energy on B/ler bs. I see red every now and then, but it's best for my mental health to ignore them as much as possible. Thankfully blocking tags/content/blogs works quite well here (though sadly there are loop holes of course). Not allowing anonymous questions helps too.

BUT I can offer a *little psychological analysis of the dominant B/ler culture on here. *Sits down by the fire place and plucks lyre*

*This got waaaay longer than planned, so get comfy, lol.😆 Turned into my manifesto or something. So might as well give it a fancy title.✨

B/ler Shippers And Narcissism

As we know, every Tumblr fandom has its fanon ships, and sometimes those ships become a mass phenomenon (usually it's m/m ships, though sometimes it's also other ships that become huge, like Zutara from ATLA for example). Sociologists, where are you? It's such an interesting phenomenon, especially the demographics of it.

ANY way, I never was as directly involved in and impacted by a ship war as much as in the ST fandom, so I can't compare. But one very disturbing thing I noticed within the B/ler fandom, is the amount of narcissism I see.

Now this is the moment for my disclaimer, because I don't want to generalise. I'm sure there are normal, nice B/ler shippers, but those stay out of the Mileven tag. I don't know how the algorithm of the "For you" suggestions works, but in my experience (and from what I heard also of others), engaging with ANY ST-content will fill it with B/ler posts. Which is why I stay out of there, and the same counts for any ST tag, tbh. And the vast majority of all those B/ler posts were full of Mileven hate, Mike hate, and even Eleven hate.

That's why I want to be clear that I'm talking about the B/ler fandom as I've experienced it. Take that with a grain of salt and don't come "Not ALL B/lers!"-ing at me.😂

Okay, with that out of the way, let's start. The way I see it, there are two ways of shipping B/ler:

1) You start watching the show. You like Will and Mike. You see that they are close friends. You romanticise their relationship (encouraged by Will's hinted at homosexuality in early seasons, or not). You create your fanon version of Mike, who loves Will back. You enjoy your fanon and prefer it over canon. The end.

There's obviously nothing wrong with that and that's the blueprint for most of fanon. I have my fanon ships too, or characters that I like, while I dislike canon or the whole franchise. But the thing with B/ler is that the majority of fans seem to have caught rabies. For them, it's more like this:

2) You start watching the show. You like Will. You see that Will is close friends with Mike. You romanticise their relationship (encouraged by Will's hinted at homosexuality in early seasons, or not). You create your fanon version of Mike, who loves Will back. You think your fanon is canon. You preach it and call yourself a "truther". You try to convert other people. You bully Mileven shippers. You hate Mike, but want him to be together with Will. You drag the actors into your fanon.

This type of B/ler shipper is remarkably like a narcissist (in an abusive relationship, or a cult leader, or megalomaniac politician. The world is full of them.)

We got:

Delusion

"Mike is gay and in love with Will 100%." Fact remains that there is not even a hint for this in the show, nor writer/actor/director hints. To claim that the exact opposite is true, is a complete rejection of canon and replacing it with fanon.

Inability to doubt and self-reflect

When someone refuses to admit an external reality, it's because they can't deal with their internal reality. Like for many of us, their ship has a deep personal meaning to them and they are attached to it. But they are incapable of even entertaining the thought that Will and Mike might not end up together in s5. Let alone that Mike is actually not in love with Will, nor ever was. Letting in that doubt would be too painful. It would mean that they were wrong. They would feel ashamed. They would feel betrayed.

Now I would say that I'm 99% sure that Mileven will be endgame, but I leave room for that 1% of doubt, because I simply don't know. I haven't read the script of s5. I haven't written it. I don't control the writers and runners of the show. I am human and I can err in my expectations and assumptions about others and their actions. We all do, but some people just can't deal with this truth, so they completely disconnect from it, and just act like they can't be wrong.

Hostility/Polarisation

Since upholding the delusion of a B/ler reality is EVERYTHING, people who doubt or negate it, are a menace. They need to be controlled. How do we do this? By shaming them, of course. B/lers mostly draw from the scapegoating palette of the universal abuser's tool box:

-Name calling (M/lkvan, and I've seen others) -Accusations/Gaslighting -Provocation -Criticism -Slander/gossip -Mockery/humiliation -Personal attacks -Invasion/hijacking of personal space (coughthemileventagcough)

By doing that, they have achieved to drive a great amount of Mileven shippers from Tumblr (I don't blame those who left at all). That way, the voices who are opposing their delusion become less and less, which is how they think things should be.

Contradictions/Making No Sense

Another thing that is true for all narcissists, is that they create an Upside Down version of reality (pun not intended, but it's fitting).

Since they believe in a delusion, they obviously don't have logic on their side. They have to change the goal posts all the time (classic narcissist behaviour) and will argue that blue is red. We got a ton of examples for this:

-Some say they love Eleven. They say they are feminist. Contradiction: They use Eleven to "prove" their point. They say she's ugly and looks like a boy. They say she needs to be independent, which means to break up with Mike (???). They say she's stupid/other ableist insults. They patronise/infantilise her.

-The above-mentioned user said Mileven shippers don't appreciate Mike. Contradiction: B/lers make up the vast majority of Mike haters. They say he abuses Eleven. They say he abuses Will. They say he abuses Lucas and Dustin. They say he abuses Max. They make everything he ever said and did about how he secretly loves Will or how he secretly doesn't love Eleven. They aren't even able to see the character Mike as he exists in the show.

-Some say Mike babies Eleven. Contradiction: They also say Mike puts her on a pedestal.

-Some say to ship Mileven is homophobic. Contradiction: They fetishise Will and Mike. They objectify Mike and turn him into a trophy for Will.

-And of course: They say Mike loves Will. Contradiction: There's no evidence for this.

And then there is just plain insanity, like:

-The "When blue and yellow meet in the west"-part of the Russian code is actually about B/ler

-The colours of Mike's s5 sweater represent the bisexuality flag

-The light!!!!

-Once I saw a B/ler claim that a riddle from ST promo contained a hint about B/ler. I asked them for more info and checked it out. But when I told them that I thought there were other possible solutions to that riddle, they shut down and simply insisted that their interpretation was the only truth and they were being queerbaited.🫡

💩

What I also find noteworthy is how above-mentioned user said that it's not just Mileven shippers who don't appreciate Mike, but also the GA - which I think stands for general audience? Because that's another classic narcissistic move to puff up their ego - claiming that they are the only one who has some sort of deeper insight into something or someone. It's not just arrogant, it's another wonderful upside down example, because the truth is that they don't even have a basic, superficial understanding of reality (like I said, that can't see Mike).

Projection/Gaslighting

Everyone does a bit of this, especially insecure people. But since this type of B/ler shipper we're talking about, is extremely insecure AND isn't capable of self-awareness, it runs rampant.

To project onto someone means to place feelings, behaviours, or attitudes onto them which you hold yourself (good, bad, neutral). Gaslighting is a form of projecting, which means to accuse someone of your own flaws and wrongdoings, in order to undermine their status/credibility and make them question their own perception/reality.

I already listed this among the shaming tactics, but wanted to point it out in particular, because it's so fitting to what you described. Saying that Mileven shippers and the GA don't appreciate Mike (probably because they don't understand him?) is such a perfect example of projecting AND gaslighting. Because, like I said, no one hates Mike Wheeler like the majority of B/ler shippers, lol.

So saying this serves so many purposes:

-Distracting from B/ler hate of Mike -Discrediting Mileven shippers to other B/ler shippers and possibly non-shippers -Shaming Mileven shippers who read the post -Possibly converting non-shippers and Mileven shippers (haven't read the post, but this definitely happens too) -Setting up B/ler shippers as some sort of "chosen group" that has exclusive insight into Mike's character (the irony!).🤣😂🤣

I mean, again, I didn't read the post, but to me it sounds quite like a little dictator right there.😆 Yes, it's "only" shipping, but it's definitely toxic and purposefully hateful as hell. And after all a fandom is like a mini-society. A group of people who inhabit the same social space.

So, in conclusion - the more I see and hear of B/ler shippers, the more I become convinced that this ship attracts mainly narcissistic and otherwise toxic people, who need a delusion to cling to and an excuse to abuse others. I didn't want to say it before, because it seems incredible for something as harmless as a fictional ship, and like I said, I don't want to generalise or demonise people. But the glass is full and this was the last drop.😬 My experience of 95% of B/ler shippers is as described above, and it is what it is. Someone needed to say it.

[trashquisitor-shirozora]

*enables you* what happened with TLJ 👃

After all these years I still can't properly find words to explain how deeply betrayed I felt after the credits rolled and I shuffled out of the movie theater with everybody else. There was a TON of hype surrounding this movie, an absolute fuckton. I only saw positive reviews about it, the cast, the director, the plot. I got excited to see where Rian Johnson & Co. would take the ST.

The only remotely negative comment I saw before watching the movie was a fandom blog saying they didn't like what happened to Poe. Since this blog was about racism in fandom, I knew something was off. That was my only warning.

And y'know, it was like, five minutes in? Ten minutes? And Poe makes a "Yo mama" joke at Hux? I used to go into movies with an open mind and spent days gathering my thoughts about them because I was always slow to react, slow to gather my thoughts into coherent strings of words. It's how I enjoyed Michael Bay productions and JJ Abrams' love affair with lens flare. I never got actively angry with a movie I was watching, and I was fucking angry by the time the movie ended. I still remember texting a friend while standing out in front of the theater because I was so confused. The response to TLJ was so positive so why did I come out of the movie so frustrated and confused and dissatisfied with the whole thing?

It's been years and we all know how this movie divided the Star Wars fandom and just... broke Fandom Spaces in a way I never expected. We all know what TLJ did and didn't do, and how TROS provided the final nail in the coffin that was the ST experiment. But back then, all I saw was positive commentary about the themes and messages of TLJ, how it portrayed failure and the dangers of putting someone like Luke Skywalker on a pedestal, how the Force was female, how... important it was to see Poe get characterized as a hotheaded hotshot who needed to be demoted, slapped around, and stunned in order to learn some kind of lesson, how important it was to see Finn lose everything he gained in TFA so that he could relearn how not to be selfish or something while starring in a fucking incredibly tone-deaf B plot, how Rey... I'm not sure exactly what because she didn't need training anyway and then spent most of her time trying to bring Ben Swolo back to the light????? Rose was so promising as someone who grew up under the FO's thumb but she and Kelly were fucking abandoned by Disney so I don't know if Rose existing was actually a good idea if it meant giving Kelly unending trauma. Mark slipped up by calling Luke "Jake" and expressing his displeasure in front of cameras, and I was so fucking baffled and alienated by his character after knowing how his story ended in ROTJ that I couldn't connect with whatever lessons I and he are supposed to be learning. JJ set up Snoke like a mystery box and Rian just yeeted him off without so much as a fucking explanation so what was the point of that? Hux was a fucking joke. Phasma was barely there. The only character that Rian cared about was fucking Kylo Ren and Adam says years later that he was never supposed to get a redemption arc anyway.

Like, this was the movie everyone hyped up? This was the movie that didn't answer any questions left unasked by TFA and didn't bother to move forward with character development for any of the known characters? I spent money watching a slow space chase that ended on a planet made of salt and killed off Luke for Reasons? Am I stupid? Am I dumb? Am I a peasant incapable of understanding the masterpiece Rian directed, this so-called Best Star Wars Movie Since ESB?

But I couldn't say anything. I couldn't be dogpiled for hating such a empowering movie for women, a diverse and inclusive movie that had the likes of John and Kelly and Oscar. I couldn't be lumped in with the Star Wars dudebros with their raging misogynistic and racist takes on the movie, the cast, Kathleen Kennedy and Lucasfilm, Disney, etc. I couldn't be seen as one of them just because I didn't like a movie that I should like, I'm supposed to like. So I sat in silence, read meta, witnessed the fucking catastrophic explosion around some wild ass AO3 fandom essays written by a racist OG member of OTW about Finn/Poe, saw hate piled on black and bipoc fans, saw r*ylo fans come for John and John clap back at them, just saw an absolute fuckton of hate, and so by the time TROS came around I just... checked out. There was no way JJ could salvage what Rian had done and I was right. TROS was a corporate-run soulless garbage end to the Sequel Trilogy, but it ended just as The Mandalorian finished its first season and regained a lot of good will with this small story about a lonely Mandalorian bounty hunter who encountered a Force-sensitive Baby Yoda.

And then TBOBF/Season 3 of the Mando Show happened, just like how TLJ happened. All the promise, all the unanswered questions of the previous movie/season, all fucking dropped or provided with the worst, most unsatisfying answer. I'm sure others have found better answers and can live with what Star Wars gave us, but I haven't been able to. TLJ came out years and years ago, and I am still so bitter today. I'm still so bitter because TFA had such an incredibly compelling setup with such promising characters, and then TLJ Did That.

I got so heated while writing this. I'm still so mad. I'm still so bitter. I bury my head so deep in the sandbox I built for myself so that I don't have to think how Disney is twisting and contorting all these Mando'verse shows so that they all eventually lead to the ST, their precious hot potato child that just... didn't have to end the way they did if they actually had a fucking plan and fucking stuck the landing. I'll give the MCU this - their Phase 1? They fucking stuck the landing. I fell off the train tracks and haven't really watched the MCU since Captain Marvel, but at least they had a fucking plan and didn't fucking derail themselves like Disney did with the Sequel Trilogy.

I could be nice to people who like this movie but I'm not going to be. They can be nice on their own blogs.

Man, I can't even watch Knives Out or Glass Onion because my blood starts boiling. Just. TLJ did a lot to ruin what I hoped would be a positive and creative connection with Star Wars, and it took the Mando Show and the 2 minutes where Din and Luke locked eyes on the Imperial light cruiser to bring me back.

I'm gonna stop before I get way too heated for sleep.

[s1r3n1cdr4g0n]

Hiya! I'm a Therian/Otherkin Selfshipper and self-proclaimed artist!

Calll me Feral, Nyx or Onyx!

I am a MINOR!

Credits to the (matching) pfp: @crosslizzshipper2026

I'm Bisexual, Demiromantic, Genderfluid, Sirengender and Dragongender!

Pronouns: It/She/He

I enjoy The Beatles, The Zutons, The Fold, The Kinks, Shayfer James, Jukebox The Ghost, Arctic Monkeys, Queen, Will Wood and David Bowie!

My Hobbies include: Netball, Singing, Writing, Dancing, Reading, Art

Aesthetics I hope to achieve or have already: Scene, Grudge, Nature

Preferred Environment: Water, Thick Forests

Fave Genres/Styles: BritPop, Theatrical, Whatever the hell style Chelsea Dagger and/or St. James Infermary Blues (The White Stripes ver) have, Obsessive Love songs (I know)

~♡

No spoilers for MHA or Cookie Run Kingdom!!!

Please note that I LOVE answering ask game questions about my selfships!

(My 'Main' of anything will be highlighted in Purple!)

My fandoms: TMNT, Osmosis Jones, Wild Kratts, Sonic, Ninjago!!!, NATM, WoF, FNAF DCA, PJO, Anything Tim Berton, HTTYD (The books), SpiderVerse, MHA, Trolls, Cookie Run Kingdom, Stardew Valley, LDShadowLady (Does that count as a fandom? Oh well)

F/Os: Thrax ♡ Sun ♡ Moon ♡ Eclipse ♡ Trollex (No Canon X Canon, Selective Sharing) ♡ Barb ♡ Sensei/Lord Garmadon (Selecive Sharing, No Misako X Garmadon) ♡ Pythor ♡ Neuro ♡ Raphael ♡ Donatello ♡ 2012 and 2007 Leo ♡ Ahkmenrah ♡ Knuckles ♡ Shadow ♡ Blaze ♡ Silver ♡ Chris Kratt ♡ Martin Kratt ♡ Hobie Brown ♡ Keigo Takami/Hawks ♡ Denki Kaminari ♡ Ejiro Kirishima ♡ Shota Aizawa ♡ Dabi ♡ Shoto Todoroki ♡ Capsaicin Cookie (Non-sharing) ♡ Elder Faerie Cookie ♡ Smoked Cheese Cookie ♡ Stormbringer Cookie ♡ Royal Margarine Cookie ♡ Red Velvet Cookie ♡ Darth Vader/Anakin Skywalker

S/Is: Rita Oasis/Blur (Trolls) • Rivera Dove (Trolls) • Ocean Dahlia (TMNT) • Roxy Tosin (Osmosis Jones) • (Pre-)Raya Beis (Osmosis Jones) • Ocean Holloway (DCA) • Luna(r) Halo (DCA) • Ocean Ryka (NATM)• Violet the Fruit Bat (Sonic) • Mercy (Ninjago) • Noirsette and Phantismé (Ninjago) • Roxanne Black/Violet Viper (Spider-Verse) • Viana Nolan/Black Mamba (Spider-Verse) • Robin Fisher/Sky Serpent (MHA) • Indigo Collins/Soothsayer (MHA) • Melody Greenwood/Melodia (MHA) • Alexandra Parker/Dragonia (MHA) • Olya Renwood (MHA) • Myrian Rockwell (MHA) • Parma Violet Cookie (CRK) • Salted Violet Cookie (CRK) • Frosted Lavender Cookie • Blood Moon Cookie (CRK) • Onyx Dragon Cookie (CRK) • Earthbound Cookie (CRK)

(Feel free to suggest names for F/O X S/I ships that I haven't got or any changes to the names!)

Ship Names: DarkMercy (Garmadon X Mercy), Trollita/BritNo (Trollex X Rita), SaltySweetSpice (Capsaicin X Salted Violet Cookie), LavenderGuardian (Frosted Lavender Cookie X Elder Faerie Cookie), ParmaSmoke (Parma Violet Cookie X Smoked Cheese Cookie), OnyxMargarine (Royal Margarine Cookie X Onyx Dragon Cookie), BloodyVelvet (Blood Moon Cookie X Red Velvet Cookie), StormBound (Stormbringer Cookie X Earthbound Cookie)

Theriotypes/Kintypes: Dragon, Tiger Shark, Siren, Calico Cat, Fae, Maned Wolf

Other F/Os: Lloyd (Stepson), Scales (Platonic)

Characters I relate to (Take this as you will): Moon (WoF), Turtle (WoF), Peril (WoF), Qibli (WoF), Hiccup (HTTYD Books)

[flushed-for-the-trolls]

Billy Hargrove Stans Are Fucking Obnoxious.

Not gonna lie folks, getting really fucking tired of seeing Billy Stans openly cross-tagging, egging other people on and trying to guilt-trip people out of not liking Billy.

No. I do not care that Billy is an abuse victim, he abused his younger sister, tried to murder three kids and another teen. The moment he began abusing someone else, it ceased to matter what happened in his past. Billy is not a saint, not a hero, Billy Hargrove is a monster. That is it. That is all there is to it at the end of the day. Yes, he died doing something good and heroic, but he is still an abuser who hurt many.

He gave an apology? Who to and what for? Was it to Max, for all the years he had abused her? Was it Lucas for targeting him for his race? Was it for any of the others who (in a normal universe) would be traumatized at having a speeding car racing at them? Or is it just a blank apology for EVERYONE? Can we just do that now? Can he just say "Sorry" and just be forgiven by everyone? That's not how anything works.

You wanna know who DOESN'T forgive Billy? Max! Billy's favourite abuse victim, who sincerely wished and wanted Billy dead for everything he put her through.

It's funny how the oh so "enlightened" claim to be supporting victims of abuse while ignoring Will, Jonathan and Max. I guess they just don't matter?

The only thing I hate more about stupid fandom bullshit is the fact that I feel compelled to comment on it. I like to stay in my own bubble, but.

Oh.

My.

Fucking.

God!

These people just CAN'T stay in their fucking lane. There's always a Billy Stan (I say Stan specifically because I don't mind admiring villains/antagonists for their complexity or for analysis purposes, that's totally fine, these people I'm referring to are obsessed with Billy and pretend that he did nothing wrong) that's cross tagging, acting like a total ass and mocking/provoking other people.

When you try and wash away Billy's abuse, use particularly crafted terminology like "Abuse survivor/victim" to try and portray Billy as nothing more than a poor, misunderstood abused teen, then you've become an abuse apologist.

I don't personally care, but I start to care when certain opposing fandom corners are infringed upon, because believe it or not, I don't like arguing 24/7 on any of these hell sites. The blacklist/block feature exists for a reason, and it's not so you can ignore it and make your obnoxious personality other people's problems.

Get a life ffs.

Billy Hargrove is not a hero.

Billy Hargrove is not a good person.

Billy Hargove did not get redeemed.

Billy Hargrove became a monster and died as one

If any of these statements offend or upset you, perhaps that is the cue for you to look deep inside yourself and ask why it does.

[jonathanbyersphd]

Also Nancy regrets her choice almost immediately after sleeping with Steve but she doesn't explicitly say that and now people ship Stanky in 2024

[wakeupthemembersofbylernation]

oh no i'm not a melvin anon, but i have been experiencing some byler doubt since david harbour said that thing back in november last year. so i guess i got kinda paranoid when i saw that pic and looked a bit too deep into it.

Yeah I understand! I think we’ve all been there before where doubt seems louder than normal. David’s comments definitely didn’t spark joy, and they came at a time where the fandom as a whole was in a dark place/in shambles/going through it, so that added to the general sense of negativity.

That chaos has mostly dissipated, and Byler tumblr is a place where confidence is expected and vocalizing doubt is frowned upon (or at least it goes against tag norms), so if you find yourself in a place of doubt, it can be isolating for sure. But it’s important to keep in mind that the actors lie and tell half-truths all the time. They shouldn’t just be taken with a grain of salt. They should be taken with the whole Red Sea. Remember DH himself once said that Hopper was dead following the S3 fake-out, and look how that turned out.

What’s most important is to trust the show itself. The vast majority of Byler doubt cases have nothing to do with the narrative arc of the show or its characters, which overwhelmingly point in a pro-Byler direction. Sure, occasionally people get doubt because of the monologue or because of early-ST Mleven, but the vast majority of Byler doubt is caused by external factors such as what the actors say (or don’t say), the way the show is promoted on social media, feelings of negativity caused by the barrage of name-calling from toxic Twitter Mlevens and anti-Byler Redditors (delusional, fetishizer, sloppy seconds, etc), and just the general fear that Byler is too good to be true and that the show would never “go for it.”

But none of that is “real.” None of that should supersede all the careful analysis that has been done. None of that should challenge the media literacy we are simply applying. None of that should erase what your eyes see when watching the show, especially in S4, which is filled to the brim with Byler momentum and evidence. The show is the thing, and if something like the out-of-context brozone pic generates paranoia, it’s a sign of misplaced faith and energy.

Remember that we all watched Byler flirt multiple times in the real text of the show:

[noihavenosanitythanksforasking]

so. i used to be very active in the byler/st community back in 2021-2023. i no longer consider myself part of the fandom because of all of the weird stuff regarding noah and whatnot. anyways.

came across this thread off of one of your posts and holyyyyy shit. those people have GOT to take a chill pill. you literally just expressed disappointment in an actor you like for being a shitty person. hawkins-batman swoops in to “save” noah schnapp by going off on someone (you) who didn’t do anything wrong for “spreading misinformation” or whatever the hell he said. There’s quite a few things wrong with what he said, but the biggest one is that he managed to convince you that noah never said anything zionist. noah LITERALLY made an instagram post (which has now been taken downs since over a year ago) where he proudly said he stands with israel and is grateful for biden endorsing them. I remember actually liking the post because i didn’t know shit about the conflict at the time and thought that israel wasn’t doing anything wrong. i’m sure you can find screenshots somewhere.

OK MOVING ON . you reply with a really well said reblog, respecting hawkins-batman’s opinion, etc. he comes back to attack you again.

you reply, defending yourself, blah blah blah. THIRD person comes into the thread, and …. critiques you for …. sharing your opinion. fantastic /sarcasm.

no like literally. they said that you shouldn’t have shared your opinion in the first place. that’s so … odd.

anyways. point im trying to make; please take what everyone says with a grain of salt. neither of those people educated you properly, and instead decided to just immediately start harassing you for having an opinion that you’re 100% allowed to have. you are loved you are amazing 🫂

omg thanks!! this feels like such old drama to me now lmao but thank u! i cant see the post you linked so i assume its the post that i deleted? aka the original post? idk lmao

but yeah i did my best with what info i had at the time. and youre right he did convince me pretty fast and thats bc i wanted so badly for everyone to be wrong!!! i didnt want to be upset at him!!! but ive done my own research now and have my own opinion and im not sharing it publicly again.

im not ashamed of my opinion and im sure if you scroll thru some of my rbs or read my intro post youll see that im not for noah at all. thats my stance and if you disagree thats in ur right.

i did make some good friends thru this situation tho so thats great!

appreciate your support pookie love youu

[dizzying-waves]

Sorry for the rant in the tags of my last RT, but I don't understand how you can say st//rco's hate is unfair when I had to witness the countless hate and threats that tomstar, jarco, and kellco stans got for their ships by said st//rco stans.

[skaruresonic]

idk man I would have been just as happy with a Sonic Generations remaster without a Shadow campaign stapled on. >>Doom Wings have no narrative use because Shadow doesn't suffer in any meaningful way because of them. For all of fandom's claims that SxS Gens would deepen the character, his biggest problem is the wings are physically painful. But it's not as though they foundationally shake his view of himself like his existential angst over being a weapon of war in Battle; he simply goes "Cool, another weapon to bludgeon Black Doom to death with" and moves on with his life. Much character development, many depth, wow.

To rub salt in the wound, they control like complete ass? It's just a slower Super Shadow, and sometimes when it's egregiously bad, it reminds me of Rouge's gliding in '06. The concept would have been easier to swallow if it actually wasn't unwieldy, but nah.

>>The White Space music is so dire? Why is it so dire??? bro chill out? It's fine the first five minutes, but it drives me insane when it loops for the millionth time two hours in.

>>AFAIK, collecting all 80 pieces to complete Orbot and Cubot's spaceship does nothing. tfw the game is so peak it offers no incentive for fetch quests.

>>Unlike Gens vanilla, which gave you a choice of challenges to unlock Boss keys, in SxS Gens you must complete all missions in order to obtain Boss keys.

Granted, you only get about 4 missions per boss, but the fact that progress is locked behind mandatory challenges makes the experience feel more constrictive. You don't like a certain mission Doom Surf challenge my beloathed? Get bent, I guess.

>>Radical Highway Act One was the only point in the game where I found any real enjoyment because the mechanics were pared down. Coincidentally, your Doom powers are disabled in this level, forcing you to rely on Chaos Control and Chaos Spear. Reducing the gimmicks made the experience more streamlined, which let me consider the application of my moveset in greater depth.

I strongly feel that had ST instead channeled their focus into structuring the level design around creative uses of Chaos Control and Chaos Spear instead of scattering them across several Doom powers, the gameplay experience would have been a lot more enjoyable.

>>Outside of character interactions, which were tbh the best part of the game, SxS suffers from a general lack of whimsy. Everything is so ~srs bsns~ in tone that it almost suffocates.

There's a little ironic humor to be found in the fact that Shadow goes "no. perish" when Mephiles screams that he wants to exist, but I doubt that was intentional.

>>"Somehow, Black Doom returned" is an actual plot point. Don't question it. Shut up.

>>The boss fights suck ass. I'm sorry but they do. Every single one, I was like, "Thank God that's over."

>>Bosses are placed in odd, incongruent locations; Mephiles is found in a cave under Chaos Island while you encounter Metal Overlord in Kingdom Valley. Although Gerald handwaves this as spacetime instability, that's not how White Space functioned in Sonic Gens.

>>No, Patrick, stapling a Surfer Blooper gimmick to Metal Overlord doesn't suddenly make his fight peak boss design.

>>The one boss fight it would have been thematically appropriate and germane to include from a gameplay perspective, SA2's vs. Sonic? Just a cutscene. Even if Shadow needed to "lose," surely ST could have rewritten a Shadow win so that Sonic manages to get ahold of the fake Emerald anyway. Shadow could have done something as simple as said "Fine, take it. Clearly you need it more than I do."

>>You're gonna make the campaign a crash course on Shadow's history but not include Shadow androids, even though they'd have more reason to exist in White Space than Mephiles? I am disappoint.

>>While the White Space dialogue is pretty much the game's only draw for me, a few of Omega's lines are still a little wonky. For some reason they felt it appropriate to have him say he and Shadow showed Metal "mercy" after Sonic Heroes. He also gives this jargon-filled speech on his power source, which based on context clues makes me think he's powered via Chaos Drive.