#Spitelout

[dragonnnfly]

Httyd + AO3 tags

[collegiateanimationfan]

Rewatching Season 1 of RTTE things

[violet-moonstone]

here's a very sad thought im having about snotlout and his mother

so my headcanon for snotlout's mom is that shes a very sweet and caring woman -- from what we've heard of her so far, snotlout only has kind things to say about her and talks about quality time theyve spent together, like when she taught him how to sew (I also kind of assumed she taught him how to write, since he critiqued his dad's terrible handwriting)

the thing is, if we never saw spitelout on screen and only had snotlout's opinion of him to go on, we would probably assume he was a great dad because of how much snotlout idealizes him. we only know he's a harmful influence on his son because we got to see it for ourselves.

so it is entirely possible that snotlout's mother is also not a very good parent (her teaching him how to sew could have been a very stressful experience for example - maybe she's very strict or something), but fans like me are so desperate to give snotlout at least one healthy parental relationship, so we imagine that she's very kind

and if she is kind, it would need to be addressed why she doesn't intervene on her son's behalf when spitelout mistreats him? maybe she's too afraid to? or maybe she does, but spitelout doesn't listen, or is just on his best behaviour whenever she's around?

this is something i do want to address in my fanfiction, but im still working on how i want it to go

[msnewobsessioneveryweek]

Snotlout is a theatre kid. My evidence is this

And also this

Please share what roles he’d play.

[cupcake-hearts]

He does what?!

And worse they had meetings about it🙈🙊

[rosiethedragongeek]

how does he literally get younger help

[ashleybenlove]

Did... Spitelout tell Stoick that Hiccup almost got brained by that harpoon?

That came far too close for comfort.

[nightcorecarseatheadrest]

@eemoo1o-tfrmoo

[queenofthearchipelago]

It's so sad and fascinating how people talk about Spitelout's character now versus when the show was coming out.

When the seasons were still new and being released, we talked about Spitelout as a man who made many mistakes. He had a son whom he gave very bad advice to many times. He failed to see how much his son looked up to him and so he didn't see how he almost abused that loyalty. He had a bit of a thirst for power and taught it to his son, despite his son having something better than leverage, Snotlout had genuine friendship with the men who had power over him.

Spitelout failed in so many ways. He made so many mistakes. And they were all so incredibly understandable. Crazy, but understandable.

Because we knew that Spitelout grew up in a war torn world where he adopted philosophies for life that were harmful as a way to cope. And when that war torn world disappeared, he didn't know how to change his parenting style to better suit it. And so Snotlout had to deal with living in a better world, with peace with dragons and friends who love him and balance that with his father's Old World advice and healing from it. And we did watch and sympathize with Snotlout as he struggled to do that.

He struggled, but he loved his father. Snotlout, in the end, understood Spitelout in all these ways. That's why the end of Snotlout's arc with his father is literally just showing us that Snotlout can hear his father's bad advice, ignore it because he knows better, and just keep loving him as best he can.

But now? Now I'm seeing the fandom talk of Spitelout like he's Evil incarnate. Like he was just like that for No Reason. It takes such depth out of a good character. Not good as in a character who is a morally good example. But good as in extremely, consistently complex.

Spitelout is the character in this franchise who never truly healed. There was much he couldn't unlearn and yes it caused hurt. He struggled to change his philosophies. But you know what he did do?

He stopped killing the dragons.

Spitelout, for all his failings, was better than Mildew. Mildew who was forever bitter and hateful of the dragons. He was better than Alvin, who held a grudge for decades and was still willing to kill for them. Better than Dagur, who loves the power and the sport of it so much that he didn't care that there was a better world to live in. Better than Viggo, who wanted to corrupt the concept of training the dragons to build an empire built up on their deaths.

Spitelout failed so MUCH, and yet he was better. He loved his son as best as he could, as best as he knew how. And he saw Hiccup and Stoick structure Berk into a better world and he allowed it. He never stood in the way and he WANTED that better world. Fought for it side by side with his son.

And Snotlout knew all of this, understood it, and, in the unconditionally complex way that only a son can, loved his father.

[cyancactus]

(They're brothers so they'd be the same)

[wolfasketch]

Okay, wait, let me-Let me explain!!!

So, I was working on something HTTYD related(to be posted) and went to my sister to make a joke about Snotlout, joke being don't trust a guy with blue eyes(no offense if you are a guy with blue eyes, I'm sure you're great) with somehow led into a genetics convo then back to HTTYD, mainly Hiccup and Snotlout being cousins.

We both refused Snotlout and Hiccup being related through Spitelout and Valka being siblings because of HTTYD 3, then my sister suggested Snotlout's mom, who we never see, and Valka being related, I then suggested Spitelout and Stoick being brothers. Sis argued against it, saying they look nothing alike. My argument involved using Scar and Mufasa as an example.

My thought process being their names. Scar's real name is Taka, meaning to want, while Mufasa's name means king, put them together and you get want to be king. Compare that to Spitelout's name and you could phrase it as him being spiteful of Stoick being the firstborn and future cheif.

Well, after some research into the HTTYD books, we find out that, not only are they brothers, Spitelout's name used to be Baggybum the Beerbelly. I WAS RIGHT MORE THAN I MEANT TO BE!!!

Also, this pic makes more sence now as to why he's up here with Stoick and Gobber

[dragonnnfly]

Hiccup: Has anyone ever told you they love you?

Snotlout: Does my dad count?

Hiccup: Yes

Snotlout: Then no

[minlout3heathlegs3ruffthrokfan]

Snotlout's Spitfire by Minlout3Heathlegs3RuffthrokFan

Hello, everyone! Here's another Minlout edit for ya! I plan on doing more in the future! When I found the spitfire comment by Spitelout one day, I couldn't resist but to add that in! So here ya go! Hope you like it!

Minlout! Minlout! Oi, Oi, Oi!

— Minlout3Heathlegs3RuffthrokFan

[artist-issues]

Some head-profile-study things for the characters of my HTTYD3 rewrite, because ya’ll have me on a creative kick, apparently. The idea ran away with me and not one of you have lifted a finger to stop it

Anyway!

Here’s our three main dragon characters (I think there might be one or two others, but only one is another Fury, and he’s more of a presence than an actual character 🤷‍♀️)

You’ve got our beloved Toothless. I purposely kept his head narrow and his eyes catlike here because I would have kept his design largely similar to the first (best) film. By the time of this reimagined movie, I would’ve had Toothless enjoying his life as the Alpha with Hiccup to the fullest. No boredom or “oh no, Berk is overcrowded.” He gets his kicks from pulling new flying stunts and baffling kids who are learning to ride their own dragons—no “duhr hurr guess playing Fetch is my new favorite pastime, -slobber slobber pant pant-”

Because Toothless’ story always mirrors whatever is happening with Hiccup, my HTTYD rewrite would deal with the fact that while Hiccup has found acceptance and hope for a future among his own kind (Vikings) Toothless has not. Sure, he’s leader of the other dragons—but how many times did you see Toothless spending one-on-one time with any dragons, the way Hiccup spends one on one time with Astrid for support and help? I mean, outside of the television shows. So he begins his interest in the Fury Flock because, a-la Call of the Wild, there’s an opportunity for him to be accepted by his own kind even after being raised apart from them.

But I want to be clear—Toothless would not be desperate for their approval. He’d instinctively start to pick up on the Fury Flock’s social hierarchy and, just as instinctively, start to climb that ladder because he’s a highly skilled Night Fury. When Hiccup and his Riders first find the Flock, they realize how incredibly dangerous it is to try their usual methods of taming a whole group of dragons who are Furies, can camouflage, and are loyal to a ridiculously human-hostile leader. So Valka sort of coaches Hiccup on how to shadow Toothless, from a safe, observant distance, while Toothless gets closer and closer to his own kind. Hiccup hopes to get some questions answered this way: like, why are the Furies so covered in scars and signs of human/dragon conflict? And who are the mysterious human scouting ships, newly entering Berk’s territory, that the Furies keep raiding? 

(It’s Grimmel and his people, but you guys knew that)

Next up is Old Night Fury! I’ve already said a lot about him. Basically, this Old Night Fury is the only Night Fury who survived this last thirty-year-long migration season from the Hidden World to Grimmel’s land. In fact, apart from Toothless, Old Night Fury might actually be the last of his own kind.  Think Kerchak from Tarzan, but more murderous of humans and accepting of Toothless. Old Night Fury shoots human beings first, and usually doesn't bother hiding or running away if directly confronted. He is fiercely protective of the Fury Flock and they obey his every spine-click (that’s how they communicate) command. Old Night Fury is just as willing to accept Toothless into the Flock as he would be any new Fury seeking to join—but he has to prove himself a valuable member of the hunt, first.  Old Night Fury is the only Fury alive who knows how to get to the Hidden World, and uses his echolocation to lead the group. Eventually he poses a threat directly to Hiccup, leading Toothless to drop the covert-act and defend his master. The Old Night Fury is ultimately killed by Grimmel, making Toothless the only echolocating dragon alive capable of leading the Fury Flock back to the Hidden World for the next 30 years.  And Finally, our Love Interest Fury, Ambush! This is the Light Fury’s redesign. I call her species “‘Sky Furies.” They can blend in with their surroundings for a short period of time (Night Furies cannot, in this rewrite), they live in complex social hierarchy systems led by the bigger, stronger Night Furies, and they breathe smaller, smokier plasma bolts. They communicate by dolphin-esque clicks, swim as fast as Night Furies can fly, and most of their lives revolve around either migrating or participating in high-octane community hunts.  For more on Sky Furies you can check out my other posts (because apparently I’m doing a lot of them ^^”) But this particular Sky Fury is named Ambush. She is the best hunter, the quickest flier, and at the very top of the Sky Furies’ social ladder when Toothless meets her. Hiccup names her, quietly to himself, after noticing that she’s gained a deadly reputation among the mysterious (Grimmel’s people) ocean voyagers. 

Unlike the canon Light Fury, Ambush has a personality. She definitely still hates humans, but it’s less in a blank, skittish-cat way and more in a ferocious, that’s-my-natural-hated-enemy-and-I’m-going-to-get-first-dibs way. Because Sky Furies decide who gets to eat first by who brought down the prey. And after their war, Sky Furies don’t just view people as prey, they view them as war enemies.  Other aspects of her personality: competitive. Ambush has been leading the hunt for basically her whole life. She’s been eating first and enjoying the deference of her Flock-mates, uninterrupted. But when Toothless shows up, and thanks to Hiccup’s secret help, he beats her at just about every feat of speed or strength. At first this makes her mad. Then she’s attracted to him—because another aspect of her personality is insatiable curiosity. It’s what gets her hit by one of Grimmel’s traps. Toothless and Hiccup save her—specifically, Hiccup himself, whom she personally tried to eat three or four times beforehand.   From that moment on, Ambush is eager to see more of the funny little human community and is cautiously observant of all things Hiccup, whenever he’s on the scene. Basically, Ambush is Dragon-Astrid—emphasis on “‘Dragon.” Because they should’ve stuck to the whole “everything that happens to Hiccup should be mirrored in Toothless and vice versa.”

Once Ambush has chosen Toothless and learned to not just trust, but actually like Berkian humans, she supports him against the Fury Flock. When Old Night Fury tries to kill Hiccup and winds up getting them both captured by Grimmel—leaving Toothless grounded—it’s Ambush who rallies the other Furies to trust Toothless’ leadership and mount a rescue mission. 

[i-hate-spitelout-jorgenson]

Guys im gonna be posting on @i-still-hate-spitelout-jorgenson sooooooooo follow me there instead !!!

[rosiethedragongeek]

thinking about how httyd (especially the first one) is about hiccup realizing he'll never live up to stoick's expectations and eventually deciding to stop trying to and just be who he is and really coming to his own as a leader, a friend, a son, a person etc etc, and if the story was told from snotlout's pov there would be a VERY similar core message there