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Guys im gonna be posting on @i-still-hate-spitelout-jorgenson sooooooooo follow me there instead !!!

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thank you for speaking on the disaster final movie of the HTTYD series. as someone who mostly read the books as a kid, and had it as my favorite series and favorite movie, I am forever crushed that… idk. everything. i never watched the show, but I wasn’t thrilled with the second movie and was absolutely so disappointed by the dragons leaving in the end. additionally, after playing some of the old wii games, seeing how shit anything new related to it is is… idk. soul crushing. I would love to see an animated series made of the original, where it’s drawn elegantly but childishly, and hiccup has a tiny wretched mean little common dragon with no teeth who is super rude and demands bathroom breaks, and a traumatized riding dragon with three legs who he loves dearly. hell, I just wish dragons could speak again and were allowed to have their own desires and ambitions and were more than animals. I’ll even take the potato plothole over this shit. (how can he have been a potato farmer when a potato single normal potato is a relic and extremely important object in the 7th book smh)

as a dragon kid i love toothless but seeing our boy be brutally commercialized complete disheartens me from the series. Idk if you have any thoughts on all of this, I just appreciated your analysis of the third movie. Validates my choice not to watch it. on a similar but perhaps unrelated topic, I also didn’t watch the third movie because the third movie in the kung fu panda trilogy was TERRIBLE after the second was a masterpiece. misery and suffering abound.

BYE

Thanks dude i appreciate it! To be honest I just. i dont even really like talking about the hidden world because it makes me legit angry LMAO. yeah you are not missing out on ANYTHING from that movie, like from a character standpoint to a plot standpoint... yuck. it is pretty but like, so are jellyfish yknow?

Honestly i dont remember a whole bunch about the books but a tv show would slap SO HARD. 2d animated with strong artistic choices and such? yes please Id eat that shit right up AND itd give me an excuse to reread the books <3

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I was looking for Snafflefang references and saw that Spitelout rides one in THW?? Which means that his talk about an old sword going dull and getting a new one in RoB was actually serious and his Nadder, Kingstail, probably got the old sword treatment

WAIT.... STFU WHAT

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I FOUND MY CHARGER

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hey guys remember when i said that Spitelout was toned down for rtte? yeah i changed my mind

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Hey there!! Snaptrappers are such cool dragons but they hardly appear in any of the media, I honestly didn't even know about them until a few weeks ago when I was diving into the wiki XD So this is me asking you to tell me about Snaptrappers! What do you think is coolest about them? Any personal headcannons?

YOU. I ADORE YOU.

AND I KNOW!!! Refer to my last post for further explanation, but they appear in the games, comics, and the Book Of Dragons short, and thats IT. its TOTALLY FAIR THAT YOU DIDNT KNOW ABOUT THEM.

I think the 3 split jaw thing is cool looking, especially since most of the dragons have an overbite or underbite. The several heads is interesting, although it feels less... good? than the zippleback? The most important thing abt the Snaptrappers is the chocolate-scented gas they release to attract unsuspecting vikings. In my personal opinion, itd probably be something like honey instead, since vikings did not have chocolate (despite what School of Dragons says).

Also something Ive believed since I was five or six is that Snaptrappers and Zipplebacks are probably related species. based on the vine thingies, you could also argue that Snaptrappers and changewings are, or at least live(d) in the same environment!!!

I dont have a lot for them right now, but I really think theyre interesting!!!!!!

[i-hate-spitelout-jorgenson]

im gLAD YOU ASKED (seriously thank you)

SO. I DONT KNOW IF THIS IS COMMON KNOWLEDGE, but EVERY SINGLE dragon featured in the Book Of Dragons short appears at some point in the film franchise, most of them in Riders of Berk/Defenders of Berk. Every single one with two exceptions. One - the timberjack And Two - The snaptrapper.

The Timberjack, however, IS featured in the background of the opening flight scene of HTTYD2, and in THW if im not mistaken but that doesnt count. This still is strange because every other dragon (e.g whispering death, changewing, scauldron) is explored in a somewhat indepth level, whereas the Timberjack has more of a cameo than anything. My interpretation is that the Book of Dragons short was made to dump a lot of the concepts they hadnt FULLY ironed out and see how people took to it. One dragon that comes back constantly in the shows is the Typhoomerang which is INCREDIBLY similar to the Timberjack. it seems to me that they recycled a lot of the ideas.

But! this doesnt happen with the Snaptrapper. And why? was it removed from canon? and the answer is:

...Kind of?

The Snaptrapper is not canon to the film franchise. thats almost certain. Which is fair, considering most of its bit is about its breath smelling like chocolate which vikings were yet to discover. But its in every other continuity. The comics, the games, etc. It looks like everyone on the teams wanted it back somewhat. it just never came back. If i remember correctly, the wiki even says that at some point, they call it the "Snappertrapper". SO WHY IS IT THE ONLY DRAGON MENTIONED, NEVER TO BE FEATURED? YOU WANT THE TRUTH? I DONT KNOW.

Ive searched high and low for a statement. an interview. any sort of reason. and there doesnt seem to be one.

And it probably is just, the design was lacking, or the budget couldnt afford 4 heads, or they just didnt like it. but why cant i find a reason? I feel delusional sometimes because surely theres SOMETHING. but theres nothing. at all.

But regardless, I really feel like they could have thrown in a throw away joke or like. A quick mentioning of the dragon eye saying that Snaptrappers are an extinct relative of the Zippleback, since thats clearly what they were inspired by. (And the Zippleback/snaptrapper situation is NOT the same as the Typhoomerang/timberjack situation because both zippleback and snaptrapper are in the Book Of Dragons.)

Does this imply anything worldbuilding wise? No! does it have any weight on the story whatsoever? no! but did 6 year old me throw a fit when it didnt show up at ALL in ROB/DOB? YES!!

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somebody send me an ask please. please ask me about why i think snaptrappers are so interesting please im begging please PL

[i-hate-spitelout-jorgenson]

Time to get to level 75 so I can find out what messed up thing he did this time.

pulling out a gun

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Ok but can we get opinions on the anxiety episode??? like spitelout legit gave his son some of the worst social anxiety I have seen in media!!!! from the paranoia to the dreams like that's not normal to just randomly pop up so he must have been instilling that in him for a very long time for snotlout to just go off the wall like that. my point: fuck spitelout and give snotlout all the love

Ok, I'm going to be honest, even though Im a MASSIVE httyd fan, i havent finished rtte. I reached this episode recently and my blood was practically boiling (Im assuming you mean the episode where Snotlout has delusions of his friends not liking him).

Having stress dreams about your friends because of something your dad said isnt normal. its not hard to understand that. Having delusions of them talking about you behind your back because of a comment your dad made isnt normal. You could say that its a kid's property so somethings are exaggerated,,, but some people are really like this!

And the WORST part of the whole scenario (as youve kind of already said) is that it doesnt feel like an isolated incident. Not many people could have that said to them one (1) time and come out the other end like Snotlout did. This was building for a very long time. I think Snotlout genuinely is a slightly anxious person about his place in the group, but like hes a teenager, of course he is! SPITELOUT has to have been planting the seeds of this for YEARS. and it doesnt surprise me one bit

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I love your banner, it's so soft 😍😍😍😍😍 Teach me these wonderful editing techniques please 🛐

tysm!!! literally just googled the size and made it in IbisPaintX lmao. but yes I know its gorgeous 😩

[i-hate-spitelout-jorgenson]

Just to add more fuel to the fire here’s some dialogue from the Rise of Berk game.

fucking hell

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Spitelout deserves whispering death hole <3

agreed thank you <3

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YOU KNOW BOOK HTTYD TOO??? i love the books sm.

Yeah I have all of them :D!!! honestly i dont rememner much about them but im thinking shout starting a reread during summer

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Nonononono I would love to hear you get into why you despise the hidden world i am always ready to add more reasons to my list

This is gonna be super messy and infodumpy but you asked and I deliver. fueled by rage, 40°c/100°f weather and no aircon.

First of all, The Hidden World was NOT exactl up for success. The first two films had two people workin together: Chris Sanders and Dean DeBlois. in the first film they were both directors, in the second one was a director and one was an executive producer. The first two are regarded generally as some of Dreamworks' best work, only really tailing films like Shrek and Shrek 2. The Hidden World isn't. I cant say I know a lot about what Sanders and DeBlois individually contributed to the films, but I can say this with confidence: DeBlois does not understand the dragons on a fundamental level. Time and time again the dragons are shown to be intelligent, capable understanding human speech and sarcasm, being fully sentient and sapient just as we are. For whatever reason, DeBlois never seemed to get this. Thats why The Hidden World treats the dragons like wild animals with instincts and a call for the wild when theyre shown to not be like that at all. At some point during the film, Astrid says, "What did you expect? You gave him his freedom, Hiccup." (paraphrased). Thats bullshit. And thats not even headcanon, its just bullshit. The whole idea of dragons being called away by their instincts to start a family and move on was already done in Gift Of The Nightfury, and it did it better! Literally the entire point of that short was that the dragons CHOSE to come back. They didn't want freedom, they wanted companionship - which clearly they understand as deeply as we do. Toothless is a special case, because its debateable that he never had those instincts to begin with. To that I say: Why didn't he have them to begin with? What was different about this time? That he SAW the lightfury? Gift Of The Nightfury was made to explore the idea of dragons laying eggs as a part of their instincts. If laying eggs is part of the instinct, why did Toothless and the Lightfury only do that like fifteen-twenty years later? And I dont have an answer for that. DeBlois did not direct Gift Of The Nightfury, but he worked on it. He watched the project grow and go through all of its developmental stages and came out of it learning apparently nothing. How To Train Your Dragon and How To Train Your Dragon 2 (as well as its respective TV shows) recognised the dragons as a very expressive, very complex part of the universe that have friends, familial ties, personalities, morals, emotions, understanding of human language. They dont get this treatment in The Hidden World. In The Hidden World Toothless is reduced to a romanticised, horny house dog.

DeBlois also doesn't seem to fully grasp the bond that the dragons and riders have. Toothless specifically has repeatedly risked his life for Hiccup. Off the top of my head, he saved him from that avalanche and risked being buried alive or dying of hypothermia; he (several times) swims far too deep to attempt to rescue Hiccup; he dives into the Red Death's fire to save hiccup; he deters, oh I don't know, a BEWILDERBEAST in order to protect hiccup. He has never truly in his life chose something over Hiccup. And you're telling me the Lightfury shows up, SHOOTS AT HICCUP, and Toothless still risks it all for some pussy? Like seriously? That bitch would have been GONE within seconds.

Now, I can't find a source for this, so take it with a grain of salt, but just like how the original villain of the second film was Valka, apparently the original pitch for the third was that they find a cave full of Nightfuries. First of all this wouldve been so much more interesting. I cant speak for Race To The Edge, but the ENTIRETY of Riders of Berk, Defenders of Berk, and even How To Train Your Dragon 2 lead up to the idea that maybe Toothless wasn't the last of his kind. I couldnt tell you how many times its alluded to in the show alone. And you're telling me, after, what, seven years, your answer is just, "That guy killed them all"? Which brings me onto Grimmel.

The selling point of Grimmel is that he's smart. He's the most intelligent villain they've fought yet. Personally I think thats fucking stupid. Thats not only blatantly untrue in regards to the actually intelligent antagonists they HAVE faced, hes also just not that smart. When he presents the ultimatum, among other things, Toothless could literally just shoot him. When he shows up in Hiccup's hut, Toothless could literally just shoot him. Even if hes fireproof (which i dont remember if he is) hes not momentum proof. A better point of interest on Grimmel would have been, "Hes the first villain weve really seen actively murder dragons." (Unincluding the red death). Which, ok, maybe. Hes still boring.

The designs. the designsbfurghensnebdndbd d

OKOK SO. Lets start simple. Toothless is so chunky. They really didn't understand what makes Toothless intimidating. Hes scary because hes sleek and aerodynamic and not because hes a beefy macho wrestler. Hes a panther! Thats the intimidation!!! And i guess I cant put it off anymore so lets talk about the Kids Youtube monstrosity this film gave us i guess.

The lightfury is... a mess. in every way. The dragons in the series are very dramatic and stylised, sure, but in a very intentional way. A Monstrous Nightmare's teeth are in no way practical but they go with the big bad carnivore idea. A Deadly Nadder is not at all expressive compared to other dragons but neither are birds, which it resembles. Most boulder class dragons would in no way be able to fly, but it adds to the idea that they are heavily armoured and underestimated. In the case of the Nightfury, it makes sense from an evolutionary standpoint. It has large eyes because it lives in dark coastal caves. Its black because it is mostly nocturnal with hunting. It has echolocation BECAUSE of said dark coastal caves. However, when it comes to the lightfury, the design is... lacking. Smushed face not at all practical for fishing. Certain bird of prey and even dinosaurs (e.g spinosaurus) have distinctively long, thin mouths/beaks FOR FISHING. Lightfuries are not aquatic, and since they are presumably an evolution branch away from nightfuries, they probably cant spend too long in the water. Lightfuries have strangely smooth, round features. Its tail fins and wings being round make. next to zero sense. For the first film the creators took a pilots class to understand how flying works. I didnt. but i dont think that work, especially not for one of the fastest dragons. Its legs are weirdly shaped and It. Fucking. Sparkles. Its sparkly. Its 2019 fella I thought we learnt our lesson with Twilight. Shes so unneccessarily feminine its gross. And sure, The idea of variation between sex is shown but in very minor incidences. For example, The main differences between male and female Nadders are the curvature of the horn on the nose and which jaw is out more (overbite/underbite but idk which is which).

The Lightfury is also. Mean? Literally a softcore manic pixie dream girl? Its not even the cliche of like, she teaches him about the wild while he teaches her about stuff he learnt in "captivity" and theyre both endeared by the others ideas and home lives. She actively puts him down for everything and leads him on at the same time? its very strange. Also, Toothless' mating dances couldve worked on a Nightfury. We dont know. Theyre different species at the end of the day.

And the worst part about the Lightfury to me is that all of these issues are so easily solvable. For design, you have at least 2 options:

1. Make her a Nightfury.

I recognise they made her white so they were easy to tell apart. solution: Albino. done.

2. Make her a variation of Nightfury.

Plenty of people on this site have pointed out itd be plausible that there are, for example, Northern Nightfuries that live in harshly cold environments and are bulky and stong! Toothless seems like a wifeguy anyway let the man have a beefy wife

I've expressed this before, but I think that the ending is very lazy. Just tacking it on at the end that they have to leave bc they dont want more films. I have read the books before. I dont remember a lot about them, but I do remember that very little tracks. Like a couple of character names and thats basically it. Theyve NEVER attempted to replicate the books before, why start at the end of the final film? Its not even like there was very much motivation behind it. The dragon riders always win. I genuinely believe that the third film would have benefited from killing off Snotlout.

And yeah. I love him, hes my favourite character, this blog is centered around how much i hate his shitty dad. But his character went NO WHERE in the last film. Id even argue he got worse. Snotlout is a character where a lot of the appeal comes from the hope that he will be better. And he is! Compare his behaviour from The first few episodes of Riders Of Berk to the end of Defenders Of Berk. There is probably less than a year between them and it is night and day. He goes from being a school ground bully who neglects and actively deprives his dragon of sleep to someone who would maim, kill, die for him. You get to Race To The Edge and he is still the same cocky asshole, but he cares so deeply about his friends. He is inconsolable for days when Hookfang is thought to be leaving him. He cries of happiness at the wedding of his cousin and the girl he liked. He shows, more than probably anyone in the series, incredible growth. And then The Hidden World happens. To name a few things, he:

- Flirts relentlessly with his aunt

- Mocks his cousin's recently dead father ("Who died and made you chief?)

- Competes for power with Hiccup

And I think that killing him off would check the boxes of being closer tied with the books, Giving him a full redemption, and giving Hiccup a (albeit extreme) reason to send the dragons away. At that point Hiccup would have lost his mother (although she lived), his father, his leg, and his cousin (or best friend depending on interpretation) to dragons or to fighting FOR dragons. Thats got to be enough at some point.

Back on the subject of Hiccup, he was so... off. He's an absolute nerd when it comes to dragons (/pos)! He would never find a species of dragon and get upset that Toothless spent time with it, especially not A FURY???? He spends the whole film talking about Toothless and the Lightfury as if hes an over protective dad which again leads back to the ides of DeBlois not understanding the dragons fundamentally. The joke, to my understanding, is meant to be that he is treating his pet like his son that just started dating. But Toothless isnt his pet. Toothless is his friend. Thats not the relationship at all. And again, Hiccup wouldn'nt be??? upset???over that???

Ruffnut lost ALL of her nuance and interest and is now just "stupid." Tuff is... okay, i guess. Fishlegs is reduced to being motherly and feminine when hes otherwise CONSTANTLY shown being extremely intelligent and would also NEVER leave out Meatlug???? Ive already spoken about Snotlout, and Astrid is now just kind of. Hiccup's sidekick?? What happened she was literally so cool and stern and cutthroat and genuinely had chemistry with Hiccup. Now shes just there to give him advice. Dont get me wrong, I love the conversational parallels that have with the first movie, but they dont feel earned. they feel like its trying to leech off of nostalgia of the first movie. She also looks physically very different for some reason.

TL:DR, The Hidden World is a movie aimed at kids for a franchise that was always aimed at families. the themes are dull, characters are ooc, designs are ugly, and the problems are easy fixes

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Hiccup was so ready to beat Snotlout at Thawfest and then he stopped.

Why did he stop?

Not because he knew Snotlout would be disappointed if Hiccup beat him, he knew that and he was okay with that. Snotlout spent enough time bragging and beating Hiccup that I don't think Hiccup would feel bad for that.

Because he realized Snotlout was scared of what would happen if Hiccup beat him.

Because he saw how Spitelout and Snotlout were talking earlier.

Fuck Spitelout.

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society if snotlout had gotten to stay behind and mock his dad like he wanted to in that one B-team rtte episode

Truly truly...