#Sonic 06 theory

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Mephiles the Mind, Iblis the Heart

Basically a breakdown of how I interpreted 06 but also a foundation I use for all my AUs.

Mephiles is highly intelligent and apathetic while Iblis relies on emotion and is more like a wild animal. Mephiles does not have full access to Solaris' time powers, but Iblis does. However, Iblis does not have the mental capacity to actually use them.

Things that are less “interpretive” and more “theory”:

This is why Iblis needed a powerful emotion to be released

In the original timeline, the one which led to Silver’s future, it was Elise’s death which released Iblis. Because the seal was broken improperly, Mephiles could not recombine with Iblis. Therefore, he would need to look for a different way, but he can’t with Sonic being there and being an obstacle (not while Mephiles is still weak). Hence why he brought in Silver—a powerful hedgehog determined to save his future no matter the cost—who is also a completely new factor to change the timeline. Silver would keep Sonic busy while Mephiles figured out how to properly release Iblis… Since letting her die didn’t work last time. When Silver began figuring out the charade, Mephiles didn’t care enough to try hard with his manipulations, especially if it meant Silver would help keep Elise alive. However, once Mephiles realized the way to release Iblis was via an extreme emotion from Elise well… how convenient that the Princess grew attached to a certain blue hedgehog. Turns out killing Sonic really was the key all along. And if you want something done right… you gotta do it yourself.

Essentially (to explain Mephiles’ weird planning in canon), Mephiles did not know the seal was reliant on Elise’s emotions in the beginning, so he sends Silver to distract Sonic while he figures out how to actually free his other half. How ironic that killing Sonic is indeed what needs to happen. Mephiles basically has a “wait, it’s actually that simple?” moment

The strong emotion can be anything—grief, anger, joy, fear—it just has to be strong. Like a “consuming your mind” kind of strong.

The original explosion which killed Elise was too sudden for any strong emotion to pop up. (Even in her last moments, she had faith Sonic would save her.)

Mephiles is the mind while Iblis is the heart. Only once combined does Mephiles—or Solaris now—actually feel feelings. However, Solaris is still adjusting after the disoriented episode of being literally split in two and so acts completely on his anger toward mortals for taking advantage of him.

At the end of 06, Solaris isn’t destroyed but rather is scattered/subdued, and everyone will already be long gone by the time Solaris’ pieces are reunited. Like “after Dark Gaia and Light Gaia have restarted the planet” kind of long time. They are gods after all. Time is different for them.

The rest of this is sparked from my “Trinity Gods” fanon. Aka, Gaia, the Master Emerald, and Solaris are the three gods who created Earth, as well as any planets prior to Earth. The Master Emerald is also called “Mother Chaos”.

While Gaia slumbers, Mother Chaos and Solaris watch over the planet to protect it. During Earth’s creation, Mother Chaos took on a physical form (ie. The Master Emerald) to live on Earth amongst its creatures. Curious about all Mother Chaos learned whilst living amongst mortals, Solaris decided to also take on a physical form and live amongst them. However, this meant limiting his ability to see the future—or rather which future would come true. Thus, Solaris did not see what the humans planned on doing with him until it was too late.

Gaia and Mother Chaos are A-Okay with Solaris destroying the planet. I mean, it wouldn’t be the first time one of them has, after all. It’d be a bummer for it to end so soon, but they can just make another one. It’s because of this that they don’t interfere with Solaris’ plot… as well as the fact that their creations had hurt their friend.

It’s also this familiarity that means the Chaos Emeralds will so easily obey Mephiles. Doesn’t matter who posses them or if they’re on the other side of the planet, if the gods call, they answer.

[marrowthefairy]

hey guys

WHY DOES BLAZE HAVE A HANGED PORTRAIT OF BIG THE CAT???? DIRECTLY ABOVE HER HEAD?

[maplethedarkshine]

Crackshit theory/prediction part 2

So, following from here, let’s asume that if there’s a Sonic 5, it’s a Sonic 06 inspired story

Now, that includes Mephiles and Iblis, one of the two already in the movie universe by…

This might look like it messes up with 06 lore badly but let me present to you:

OK SO HEAR ME OUT-

Let me ask you something, have we ever seen movie Knuckles cry? EXACTLY.

And hey, both red characters, why not? I mean this is an easy way to avoid introducing Elise (I’m not hating on her. I’m just saying that- in an hypothetical Sonic 06 inspired movie, you’re already introducing mephiles and silver, reducing characters makes everything easier and better)

And lets be honest, it’s way harder to make Knuckles cry than Elise, so if the flames of disaster rules work the same then it’ll make the plot more interesting

Also how I imagine an hypothetical Sonic 5 movie inspired by Sonic 06 (this is less of a theory and more of my dream movie) (dream movie as in literally I dreamed about this) (I’m just detailing my dream in a coherent way)

Silver goes independently from Mephiles after Knuckles because he knows he has the flames if disaster, but mistakenly assumes that if he kills him his world will be saved

But that’s not convenient for Mephiles, because the flames of disaster need to be released by tears or else his plan won’t work, so he teams up with Silver and convinces him that the actual iblis trigger is Sonic. Because hey, those two are friends, right? He keeps the echidna alive and gets potential tears, two birds of one stone

And then stuff happens, I imagine that Shadow managed to independently from the rest make Silver realize he’s being manipulated and ditch Mephiles, so ups now he gotta do the dirty job himself (like in the game)

So then near the end of the movie we get

But hey, plottwist, Knuckles actually doesn’t cry. He’s upset? More than anything. But again, not easy to make a warrior cry

So anyways Silver is like “Oh god what have I done” and goes up to knuckles to give him an apology for helping killing his friend. They get a heart-to-heart chat like Sonic and shadow did in Sonic 3- but another plot twist, that makes the guy cry and suddenly the flames of disaster are released

Anyways they revive Sonic because power of friendship and the master emerald and insert boss fight

The end

[sminny-wew]

(Spoilers for IDW Sonic #76)

Lemme tell you guys what makes Silver's characterization on this page so deliciously juicy to me. It's a bit of a doozy to explain, but bear with me

In Sonic 06, you start out with Sonic's story mode as the default. So if you were playing the game for the first time and had no idea who Silver was, you would initially believe he's an antagonist, based on how focused and single-minded he is on killing Sonic (to the point of not noticing Sonic is trying to rescue someone). But as you get further into the game, you unlock Shadow's and Silver's story modes as well, and you learn why Silver initially wants to kill Sonic.

In Silver's story, it's revealed that he comes from a post-apocalyptic future ravaged by Iblis's flames. Silver, being naive and trusting, is told by Mephiles that if he wants to bring hope and peace to his world, all he has to do is kill the one person who caused this devastation in the first place, the "Iblis Trigger": Sonic. (Obviously Mephiles is lying to get Silver to do his dirty work for him.) But as Silver spends more time in the past, he befriends people like Amy, who lead him to question his goal. This in turn leads to one of the overarching themes of Silver's campaign:

"...is that really the right thing to do?"

Now I'm not here to debate this moral dilemma, at the end of the day the target demographic of this game and the Sonic franchise as a whole is young boys, so obviously the story won't get too deep into a topic like that. But I have a reason for bringing this up.

Ultimately, after learning who the real Iblis Trigger is and thinking things over, Silver decides to help Sonic rescue Elise to prevent her from dying in a crash and thus releasing Iblis prematurely. (This is also why Mephiles says "Screw it" and just kills Sonic himself in the end.) But Elise is still a mortal, so at some point in the 200 years between Sonic's time and Silver's, she still dies and her death still unleashes Iblis upon the world. Returning to a future that's still in ruins, Silver tries to seal Iblis within himself, only for Blaze to take his place; Iblis accepts her as a host due to her pyrokinesis, and her body disintegrates as her spirit vanishes into the sky, parting the clouds and returning light to a once bleak world. Silver finally gets to see the clear skies and bright sunshine of the past in his own era, but at the cost of having to reckon with the loss of his closest friend.

So what does any of this have to do with Silver wanting to help Whisper kill Mimic?

In the final story of 06, after Super Sonic, Super Shadow, and Super Silver defeat Solaris, Sonic and Elise are taken back in time to when Solaris was just a little flame, and Elise makes the difficult decision to blow the flame out in order to save everyone the grief it will cause. By destroying Solaris in the past, the events of Sonic 06 are erased from the timeline.

Elise never meets Sonic because he never has to rescue her from Eggman.

Eggman has no motive to invade Soleanna because there's no longer any so-called "Flames of Disaster" to entice him.

And because there's no Mephiles to send him back in time to kill an Iblis Trigger, all of Silver's character development is undone.

Now, the first time he's technically met Sonic and co. was in Sonic Rivals, where he travels back in time to track down Eggman Nega and stop him from turning the planet and everyone who lives on it into cards.

So if Silver seems a little too eager to kill Mimic as revenge...I believe that it's because he's technically never had to confront the idea of taking a life before. This Silver, the one who's never encountered Solaris and only just now got to see Soleanna for the first time on his little world tour with Blaze, never had to contend with what killing means, or the consequences that come with it, or how traumatic the act of killing can be.

Would this be retreading old ground for Silver? Kinda, yeah, but given the context of both 06 and the Duo thing, I honestly don't think it's a bad idea for him to go through this dilemma again

And for me personally, no matter how things go, it's gonna be so great to watch it all play out

[chipistrate]

An assortment of Sonic doodles while I still try n figure out how to draw these creatures (also as an apology for not posting in like. forever lmao)

Side note but I need Surge and Shadow to fight so badly. Like I NEED them to fight listen to me boy (gender neutral)

[silverthehedgehogexplained]

Even though I just explained Silver’s entire backstory and how he's still the same character from 06 I need to note ESP Silver from Sonic Runners. In Sonic Speed Simulator he is heavily implied to be the Silver from 06 and is presented as a separate character.

Sonic Speed Simulator is non-canon but it is canon compliant. They are not allowed to use Infinite because Sega considers him to be dead yet ESP Silver with all indications that he’s separate from regular Silver is there. So just know that there is a non-0% chance that Silver from Sonic 06 and Silver from Sonic Rivals are in fact different characters.

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WHY was Blaze in Sonic 06?

In my analysis of Sonic 06 I promised not to touch lore or canon. But this single question has plagued me for years, and I can't run from it any longer: why was Blaze in the future with Silver in Sonic 06? It literally keeps me up at night. It is a core moment in her identity, yet it remains one of the biggest unaddressed mysteries in the series.

To answer this question, we must also answer: who is Blaze? She's a princess from another world. Easy, right?

Buckle up. Forget everything you know. This is a long one.

Blaze's Debut

Let's step back in time. The year is 2005.

Blaze debuted in Sonic Rush, which released on November 15, 2005. She was created by the game's writer and director, Akinori Nishiyama, as a contrasting character to Sonic. It introduced Blaze as a cat from another world who is the guardian of the Sol Emeralds.

Fun fact: Blaze being a princess was originally a twist! Nothing in Sonic Rush ever indicates that Blaze is a princess - no dialogue, no supplementary material - until the very end of Extra Story where she mentions her duties as a princess while she heads home.

How crazy is that? When you hear about Blaze nowadays, you're like "oh duh the princess" but she was not always known as such! More importantly, this is the first example of Blaze's identity being a mystery.

Blaze Returns

Blaze's next appearance was in Sonic 06, which released on November 14, 2006, exactly one year later. This game depicted Blaze as the curt companion of Silver, fighting Iblis in a destroyed future of Sonic's world. Huh? Yes. The game never mentions her alternate dimension nor the Sol Emeralds. Blaze is Silver's well-dressed friend now. You think that's confusing today? Try being a kid who just got to know her in Sonic Rush a year prior.

Because of how the game treats Blaze, some fans assumed that Sonic 06 was a reboot of the series, or that it was at least retconning Blaze's backstory into her being a denizen of the future alongside Silver. There are zero official sources to support this rumor, but it gained traction anyway, and people started citing it as gospel. It's wrong.

Blaze's official Sonic 06 backstory can be found in other sources, like the official websites and the Japanese manual. They are pretty consistent with Rush: she's from another dimension and guards the Sol Emeralds (despite their total absence in this game). None of them say she was born in the future.

The English website calls her a "queen". Close enough, it indicates that Blaze is still royalty in this game.

However, there's also some odd details, like her wearing a cape, so it may come from an early draft of Sonic 06's plot and not be entirely accurate. Maybe they were planning on her royalty being more important than it ended up (I theorize that it's why she could absorb Iblis where Silver failed).

Let's touch on the princess thing. The first game to clearly establish Blaze as a princess was Sonic Rush Adventure, which released another year later on September 14, 2007. In this game, her being a princess is brought up a lot because it is a pivotal fact in her character arc.

Around the same time, fans noticed that Blaze doesn't seem to recognize Sonic at all in Sonic 06. In their only scene together in Kingdom Valley, she doesn't say a word. If this is the same Blaze from Rush, why doesn't she know him? (Mind you, Sonic doesn't acknowledge her either). This discrepancy only fuels the "future Blaze" rumor, and it's still never been properly explained. Despite being discussed again and again, we haven't had a clear answer. So, let's at least go over the answers that we have received.

Takashi Iizuka at Sonic Boom

Takashi Iizuka is the current (2024) head of Sonic Team. He's worked on many games in the series, though notably not Sonic 06 nor Rush. Still, during the Q&A panel at the live event Sonic Boom 2012, one of the many fan-submitted questions requested he clarify some lore regarding Silver and Blaze.

Here's a transcript, since the crowd in the video is pretty loud:

Speaker: "Iizuka-san, can you please clear up the story of Silver, Blaze, and Eggman Nega? Are they from an alternate dimension, or the future? Not to mention, in Sonic Rush, Sonic Rivals, and Sonic 2006, they all know each other, but in Sonic Colors, they've never met?"

Takashi Iizuka (via translator): "So, everyone probably already knows this... but Silver and Eggman Nega are from the future, and Blaze is from an alternate dimension. That's the official story. But in 2006, basically what happened was everyone kind of had like, amnesia. That's how that kind of played out."

The guy was put on the spot to answer a big question regarding two characters from games that he didn't even work on, plus the translation barrier! He handled it well, all things considered. This at least debunked the "future Blaze" rumor, but it didn't answer why she was in the future in the first place. Let's check another source...

Shiro Maekawa on Twitter

Shiro Maekawa is a former Sonic game writer who worked on the Shadow and Silver Episodes for Sonic 06 (but not Rush). This means he wrote for Blaze; naturally, some curious fans have reached out to him with questions. His responses may give us some insights into what was intended with her in 06.

First of all, Maekawa confirmed that he intended to connect Rush to 06. He's said this in multiple tweets. What exactly he means isn't totally clear.

A fan once made a neat tumblr post delving into this connection; I don't totally agree with everything said, especially the "future Blaze" stuff, but it's definitely a valuable perspective (unfortunately the author has deleted their blog after harassment... good job guys).

He also says that he intended for the place that Blaze gets sent to in Silver Episode to be her alternate dimension. That makes sense; just sending her home! But he admits that his ideas are not official, so it's up to Sonic Team to decide.

Furthermore, Maekawa supports the theory that Iblis remains sealed within Blaze's soul to this day. Fans have taken it a step further by theorizing that the reason Blaze can become Burning Blaze is because of her connection to Iblis - this makes sense, given the fiery aura and the fact that Blaze briefly goes Burning in the cutscene when she absorbs it.

If that theory is true, and she goes Burning in Rush, then it would force 06 to be a prequel to Rush.

Since it's confirmed Blaze isn't from the future in 06, she must have gotten sent there somehow - maybe by the Sol Emeralds? They do teleport her on their own in Rush. That would mean Blaze hasn't met Sonic yet, so she has nothing to say to him. Then in the ending, she forgets everything and goes home, later meeting Sonic for real in Rush. Boom, easy! For a long time, this placement in the timeline seemed fair.

There was a tiny hole: an unused audio file of Blaze dialogue in 06.

Blaze says: "Sonic... the Iblis Trigger... a blue hedgehog... can it be true?", expressing familiarity with the blue blur. So she did know who he was...? Then why did she not say anything? Well, it's unused so it shouldn't count. But the fact that it's recorded at all means it got far enough into the script to be voiced...

On the other hand, this game also has the "Book of Darkness" flub and the "head to Wave Ocean" blooper, so maybe its audio files aren't to be trusted. Problem solved?

No. Not until a certain someone speaks...

Ian Flynn on Bumblekast

Ian Flynn went from writing the Archie Sonic comics, to the IDW comics, and now the games. He's been working on Sonic properties for a very long time, and is even consulted as part of the mythical "Sonic lore team" at Sega-Sammy. Those folks work on piecing together the canon, including the chaos of 06's timeline placement (imagine being paid to write stuff like this lmao).

This means he receives lore knowledge from on high, from the top dogs at Sonic Team. At the moment it's fairly secretive, but on Ian's Q&A podcast, the Bumblekast, he often lets fans in on tidbits.

What Ian has shared so far supports a lot of theories discussed with Maekawa. He has entirely confirmed that Blaze went Burning Blaze as she absorbed Iblis and went home, and has dubiously confirmed that she still has Iblis in her soul (he doubts it will ever be brought up again).

But the prophet has spoken: Sonic 06 is officially set after Rush in the timeline. Say what you will about Ian's writing or understanding of the characters; like it or not, he's received this info from Sonic Team. So, our timeline theory is debunked.

Ian even acknowledges that there are plot holes with this timeline placement, like why Blaze and Sonic ignored each other in Kingdom Valley, and why she didn't think to find her old friends for help. But he has no say over it. He'll just have to find a way to write around it, I guess.

He also acknowledges that Blaze's presence in the future and partnership with Silver are still completely unexplained, and he hopes to eventually touch on it... But he also states that there is an official reason why Blaze was in Silver's future. I'll write his quote here for reference:

Ian Flynn: "Here's the thing: working on something else, I actually did get a straight answer, and it was frustratingly simple. And it's like, 'that works, okay.' No, I can't get into it, that's all private work stuff but maybe it'll come to light, eventually. But there is an answer, and it works, and I kinda feel dumb for not thinking of it."

So it's currently classified. Where does that leave us? "That greedy Ian is selfishly sitting upon a hoard of gold, hiding his secrets from us!" "There must be a secret scroll sitting in the depths of Sonic Team HQ, emblazoned with the truth!" "Ian is a filthy American, he has no idea what he's talking about!"

Well, we can guess to our heart's content. There are a few theories:

Maybe the will of the Sol Emeralds sent Blaze to help Silver. The strings of fate pulled her so she could help guide him and eventually absorb Iblis. This one is the most sentimental, so I like it...

Maybe Blaze got caught time-traveling during a fight with Eggman Nega, and was flung into the future. This would explain why Ian found it "frustratingly simple" (he hates Eggman Nega lol).

Maybe at the end of Rush, Blaze couldn't get back home from the Exception zone; instead, she ended up lost in Silver's future due to space-time shenanigans. Nothing in her ending truly confirms that she ever made it back home. Pretty simple.

These still don't explain why she and Sonic didn't recognize each other, but we have to just let Ian deal with that one lol.

Conclusion

Our best course of action is to wait. In many of the clips I've linked, Ian regularly expresses interest in addressing Blaze's mysteries in an issue of IDW comics or a TailsTube episode. We also know that Evan Stanley, a fellow comic artist-turned-writer, is a big fan of Blaze and Silver (check out her "Ghosts of the Future" fan-comic). Our cries for the truth do not fall on deaf ears.

Ultimately, Sega-Sammy will choose whatever is most profitable. They are a business operating in capitalism. If revisiting Silver and Blaze's backstory is somehow a good business decision, they will allow it. If it's not... they won't.

The "Fearless: Year of Shadow" campaign has given me hope. Its success is hopefully proving to Sega-Sammy that fans do care about characters besides the main Team Sonic, and that mysteries and lore of the past can be addressed in games like Sonic X Shadow Generations. Whether it results in more leniency with using the extended cast in future games, such as Blaze and Silver, remains to be seen. Maybe the two need to be teased in a movie before they can get more attention lol. But I have hope that one day, my patience will have paid off, and I can update this article with the official truth of the matter.

Patience and hope: that's what Blaze offered Silver in Sonic 06. She supported him through his recklessness, stabilized him, and reminded him of what he was fighting for. But she also loved his passion, his drive for peace, and value of the truth. She loved how "naive" he was in the face of his seemingly impossible mission.

We fans are all a little naive. So for now, let's just wait and see.

[silver-the-hedgeblog]

Possible Silver/Echidna/Ancient connections

In Sonic Chronicles The Dark Brotherhood there is another tribe of echidnas called the Nocturnus Clan. The Nocturnus Clan was incredibly technologically advanced and nearly conquered the world thousands of years ago before they were trapped in another dimension with powerful alien races by an entity called the Argus.

This game and the stuff in it is considered non-canon now due to legal issues that we are definitely not here to talk about but it was canon when it came out and different echidna tribes are referenced in Sonic Frontiers. The ancient portal technology in that game is also similar to the gear themed technology used by the Nocturnus Clan. So there's hope of Nocturnus or a rewritten version of them still being canon. Silver has many similarities to the Nocturnus clan and their creations.

Silver is visually similar to Imperator Ix, the leader of the Nocturnus Clan (Especially the cuffs which are similar to Silver's)

The patterns on Silver's gloves and cuffs are also similar to the ones in Nocturne and the Cyberspace Portals in Sonic Frontiers.

The convex patterns on Silver's cuffs can be found throughout Nocturne.

Silver's front quills have a similar structure to the head crests of the Gizoids created by the Nocturnus Clan.

The big quills on the back of Silver's head are similar to the tentacles that Chaos and The Ancients have on the back of their heads.

Silver's big quills seem to have blood vessels? He puts bandages on them in Sonic Channel artwork and gets blood stains on them in IDW. Maybe they are tentacles?

Sonic Team has foreshadowed connections with visual similarities before. In Shadow The Hedgehog before you find out that Shadow is part Black Arms you can see throughout the game that the Black Arms have red patterns like Shadow and in Sonic Unleashed before you find out that the Werehog is a portion of Dark Gaia you can see that Dark Gaia monsters have the same stretchy arms and attack patterns as the Werehog.

One of the alien races trapped in Twilight Cage with the Nocturnus Clan in Sonic Chronicles called the Voxai has psychic powers like Silver. They have the psychic ability to fly like Silver and control minds.

One of the leaders of the Voxai named Leucosia has the same colors as Silver's powers and patterns similar to Silver's PK Marks.

The only named place in Silver's (good) future that we've seen is Onyx Island in Sonic Rivals. Onyx Island is actually the future version of Angel Island which is the home of the Knuckles Clan, The Master Emerald and Sky Sanctuary. Sky Sanctuary also has advanced ancient technology and patterns similar to the ones on Silver's gear.

We don't know how connected to Onyx Island Silver is but it is the first place we see him after the reset in 06.

This could just be because of his powers but Silver is very upper body oriented. He never kicks like Sonic and Shadow do. Whenever Silver does get physical he always punches things which makes his fighting style more similar to Knuckles and the echidnas than his fellow hedgehogs.

Cyber Sonic's eyes are similar to the eyes Silver has in concept art.

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I'm afraid of the way time travel may be implemented in the future of the Sonic cinematic universe

Specifically, in reference to Sonic 4 and the potential of Silver the Hedgehog's implementation. A lot of theories around what exactly Sonic 4 will include have been floating around, one of those theories is that Amy and Metal Sonic come from the future. People have specifically been citing references to Terminator and Sonic CD and while I think that is cool in theory, the implementation of time travel has to be done carefully.

If we eventually get Silver included in the SCU his whole gimic is time travel, and having 3 (potentially 4) characters coming from the future? It'd be overdone, people would say they're reusing ideas, that these characters are no longer unique within their own universe.

I don't think I personally have any qualms with the idea Metal Sonic and Amy coming from the future, I think it'd be cool and it'd patch the little potential plothole of where the hell Metal Sonic came from and how whoever made him had time to do so. But I'm also a major Silver fan and would love to see him added into the movieverse. I also find that adapting Sonic CD (which is how I assume we'd get the time travel mechanics/ideas) would be extremely difficult in the movieverse, the movieverse follows our own world's historical events and structure so how do you just... add in an entire planet that just kind of appears and allows you to travel through time? Where would Little Planet be? Would it be reachable from Earth? Would they need rings to access it? Where are they gonna get more rings if so? Will we just bypass that plot point by having Amy supply the rings?

Really in my honest opinion, I don't think they'll try to do a true adaptation of Sonic CD, though I know there are people hoping for that. My personal theory is that an adaptation closer to Sonic Heroes is what we'll be getting with Sonic references to Sonic CD. Adapting Sonic Heroes would get rid of the possible pit falls of an inclusion of Little Planet as an actual location in the movie, we already have a good portion of the teams plus characters that may be added in spin-offs and it is possible for certain characters to be cut (similarly to Amy, Rouge, and Omega in Sonic 3, however disappointing that may have been), the multiple Metal Sonics seem to point to an inclusion of NEO Metal Sonic and that would help with the potential lack of a major antagonist considering the situation around Eggman/Jim Carrey, also the fact that to my knowledge Sonic Heroes has a lot more nostalgia factor for older fans than Sonic CD does. My guess would be a loose adaptation of Sonic Heroes with Sonic CD elements especially in Amy and/or Metal Sonic's backstory with perhaps some time travel flavor.

My worry is that if the route they choose is to have Amy and Metal Sonic come from the future will they bother including Silver? Silver as a character has a lot of baggage, he debuted in a notoriously buggy, broken, and hated game the game that many believe caused the dark age of the Sonic franchise and Silver has been barely utilized since, aside from in the comics (both Archie and IDW). He also has had many interpretations and a lot of fans believe that he's been violently mischaracterized since his debut and no matter how he would be portrayed in the movies a decent portion of the fan base would likely be angry.

That is to say I understand why Silver may not be included in the movieverse, but that does not mean I would not be disappointed if he were left out. I find that with the universe that they've built with the movies, Silver's typical storyline would be so fun to explore. Sonic, Tom, Maddie, Tails, and Knuckles finally have a family and perhaps they've actually had time to relax and cool down and there hasn't been any major world ending catastrophes recently. Maybe Shadow has found somewhere to settle down, someone important to him, perhaps he's found his purpose. Maybe Amy is happy too, we don't know anything about her character I'm the movie nor her motivations so it's hard to speculate there... but the point is what if they're happy? They have a world and people they love, they've saved it several times at this point and then everything comes crashing down. Some jackass from the future comes in, guns blazing, perhaps trying to murder Sonic spewing off that the future is an apocalypse. Suddenly the stakes are higher than they've ever been because they know they fail, but they can't exactly just leave the world to die.

It's something that I think would be so so cool, and perhaps it's wishful thinking but God do I want it to be real. Hell, I would love a loose adaptation of Sonic 06. Controversial, perhaps but really I think Sonic 06 was a fine enough idea that was screwed over in the development process and time crunch. Just skip Elise and wham bam there's a solid plot, just polish it up and I think it's a fine baseline for a movie. But I just really needed to get this off my chest, who else am I supposed to speculate to if not the void?

[trashcreatyre]

I wish we would stop taking fandom wiki sites as gospel bc they get somethings wrong a lot (and do heavy speculation and jump to conclusions) That being said the etymology section is kinda neat

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[westgreenzeke]

long text ? post. its a lotta reading i think

it's from my notepad im not copy-pasting and reformatting all of this

sonic fans + artists + oc makers + ESPECIALLY theorists....... please do i sound insane or is this plausible

ive been drawing a lot of sonic stuff lately i might make a sol!big hc design after i do more research

[maplethedarkshine]

Another insane crackshit theory/prediction

Y’all are free to collectively bully me if I’m wrong

So this credit scenes in sonic movie 3-

Hear me out, what if Shadow doesn’t show up at all in Sonic 4 until the postcredits scene? I imagine that his solo movie/show/whenever the hell they’re doing would happen simultaneously with Sonic 4 with neither of the stories crossing. Imagine if scene was Shadow showing up all like “ok what did I missed?” While the others where celebrating their victory. And everyone is so surprised and happy because omg that hoe is actually alive, and they go “Oh buddy, you got no idea…” and the camera pans away while sonic and company are giving him a sumery of what just happened…

AND THEN IN THE BACKGROUND-

“I finally found it… the iblis trigger”

AND BANG CLIFFHANGER

But also i’d be extremely funny if it was a readhearing and they made the audience believe that he’s after sonic a good portion of the beginning of sonic 5, and maybe sonic after 4 movies has his ego at an all time high and tried to pick a fight with Silver- just for him to completely ignore him and go for Knuckles ass since…

And then even funnier if halfway through the movie then Silver got “convinced by someone” (wink) that sonic WAS the actual iblis trigger and just when they got a plan BANG, now he’s after sonic instead of knuckles and he’s like “dude wtf make up your mind am I your enemy or no”

Maybe this could be a good way to streamline the Sonic 06 story- just three perspectives. Sonic team, Shadow dealing with mephiles, and Silver with mephiles- which they’d be antagonists so it’s more like 2.5 plots

Or maybe not

Maybe not

But I can dream

[heartofsol]

As one of my mutuals @kittydoremi pointed out, this image of Shadow in Kingdom Valley has an orange orb around him that looks very similar to Elise's aura/shield power. If Elise does return in this game (fingers crossed), I have a theory as to how it would happen.

So, Kingdom Valley was where Elise and her father used to live before the events of the Solaris Project. After the Project went horribly wrong, resulting in a huge explosion that killed Elise's father, Kingdom Valley was abandoned. However, since Solaris was erased by Elise at the end of 06, the Project never happened. This would mean that Kingdom Valley might not be abandoned and Elise still lives there (potentially with her father) in the present day. Maybe Elise could appear in a small hub world area of Kingdom Valley and her aura shield is an unlockable upgrade.

As for how Elise still has this power when Solaris no longer exists...Well, it wasn't specified in 06 if her aura shield power came from Iblis or was something she had naturally. We all kinda just assumed Elise's aura shield was a result of her being Iblis' vessel.

Maybe I'm asking for too much, but I just want her back! 🥺😭 If Black Doom, a previously hated character that was often called generic and bland, can return then why can't Elise? And honestly, her character was never bad. I'm open to characters receiving second chances.

[atwas-meme-ing]

Ok, wait, hear me out:

So, Origins shows that the Chaos Emeralds led Sonic to West Island, where he met Tails, aka Sonic's little brother. Knuckles is the Master Emerald's guardian (and possibly created by the M.E., but that's a topic for another post), and he was all alone on his island until Sonic and Tails showed up, and now they hardly ever leave the guy alone. We could argue that Amy only got dragged into it all because she was a crazy Sonic fangirl at the time, but it was a fortune card reading that led her to Little Planet, and who are we to say the Emeralds can't control fortune card readings??? Gamma's kind of an odd one out, here, but Gamma was Eggman's best robot at the time, of course he was bound to find at least one of the emeralds; besides, it was actually the flicky inside Gamma that brought the emerald to Sonic (after the flicky was reunited with its family).

But the one I really wanna point out here is Big. Because it was Froggy, who was Big's only friend, who swallowed an Emerald. But because of that, now Big has lots of friends, especially Cream and Amy, but he's even had a chance to teach Sonic how to fish. See? Lots of new friends. All because his pet frog swallowed a Chaos Emerald.

And then, of course, there's Shadow and all of his Chaos abilities, and now Shadow has Rouge and Omega and Sonic and Amy and... well, everyone's his friend, even if he has trouble calling them friends.

And I haven't gotten far on 06, but I guess Silver has some connection to the Chaos Emeralds, cuz Super Silver is a real thing. And he doesn't have anybody in the future except Blaze (sometimes, but she does have her own world), so his best friends are all in the past, and somehow he keeps having to come back to the past to save the future and it just so happens that he gets to hang with his besties in the process.

So, anyway, my point is that the Emeralds seem to be choosing heroes the same way the Master Sword has to be the one to choose Link. But the Emeralds also seem to have another goal in mind of giving people homes and love and friends and family.

EDIT: Sadly, the part about Big was disproven in the latest update. But since Divergence shows how Knuckles got to Ares Island, I still stand by the rest of this theory.

[nebulousjoy]

So Sonic 06 takes a fair amount of beats from SA1 right, which I'm sure at least a couple of people have talked about. But, has anyone ever really discussed how much of Elise's story (and character to a lesser degree) is similar to Tikal's?

I don't know how much of it is intentional or not, but still think about it.

Both are "princesses" (quotes because Tikal isn't officially one, but her status in the Knuckles Clan could more or less be called that).

Both are daughters of men - the leaders of their peoples - who messed with higher powers and died because of it.

Both are connected to elemental god-creatures capable of mass destruction because of their fathers' actions.

Both have brown/orange hair/fur colors and blue eyes.

Both serve important roles for Sonic in their respective games (Elise more explicitly) - though this one is less specific.

In terms of character, the strongest notable traits they share are their compassion & care for their peoples. Along with how they both feel great burdens for their inability to truly help their people and the world itself, having to rely on Sonic and his friends, though this one is a more nuanced for each side.

Something funny to note is that Elise's father tampered with Solaris for good intentions (so he and Elise could see her deceased mother again). Pachacamac, Tikal's father, was just power-hungry and let it consume him - evoking the wrath of Chaos.

(All of this is for me to say that I really like the idea of Tikal and Elise somehow meeting. I think they'd get along well.)