#SOJ hate

[gautierprotectionsquad]

My main problem with SOJ is that it fundamentally misunderstands what Ace Attorney is about. It's like they looked at the previous games and saw that Phoenix was an underdog so they created a ridiculous, impossible situation that would make him an underdog ie throwing him into a country where everyone hates defense attorneys.

Except that's not what Ace Attorney is about. It's also commentary on real life court proceedings. It has something to say about the justice system and police and how prosecutors and defense attorneys should be.

But SOJ isn't based on any real court system. No court runs itself the way Khura'inese courts do. It even kinda frames the Japalifornia court system as ideal compared to the Khura'inese justice system which ignores that we spent 6 games (aa trilogy, apollo justice, investigations 1+2) critiquing the Japalifornia court and justice system. Many people have brought up the colonialist narrative in this game and that just adds to it.

People have also already brought up how Ace Attorney games suffer from abandoning the connective narrative the previous AA games have by trying to make aa5 and 6 more welcoming to new players who didn't play the previous games.

If Ace Attorney wanted to create a game that didn't connect to the overarching story of Ace Attorney and introduce new players to these games, instead of ignoring what was set up in previous games while still using the same cast if characters, they could have had a game take place at Themis Academy. You can have a brand new cast of characters and/or let the player make their own. They could choose the prosecutor or defense attorney route and even play multiplayer.

AA6 also does too much by having the narrative go back and forth between 2 countries in order to have 3 main characters. AA5 and 6 simply did not want a main character, trying to make Athena, Apollo, and Phoenix ALL the main character instead of having a game focused and centered around just 1 of them. That's part of why calling it the Apollo Justice Trilogy is so insulting. Not only do aa5 and 6 not connect to aa4 but Apollo Justice had to share the main character role with 2 other people.

AA5 couldn't focus on Apollo and his friends at the space station and the loss of his best friend because it also shoved in the introduction of a new character. We had to quickly get to know her backstory, her connection to all the main characters, and all about her mother and best friend and connection with the prosecutor and then it also added in Phoenix getting back into the courtroom for the first time and facing Edgeworth again.

Then AA6 has the audacity to have a Gramarye focused case without acknowledging that Apollo is also a Gramarye. And we can't just focus on Apollo's over complicated connection to this new country, the country has to relate back to Kurain so it has something to do with Phoenix! Remember Kurain and the Feys! Let's remind you of a complicated family legacy we handled really well to emphasize how little attention we're giving to Trucy. And don't forget, we also have Athena and Simon so let's add in a case that focuses on them, too. It's too much. It wants to do so much and does little of it well.

[ginyia]

The only way I can logic Phoenix putting himself in an insane life or death situation like he did in the Foreign Turnabout is if he absolutely knew he was going to win. Like got cocky with his ability, luck, win record, etc.

Obviously, there are other situations where I believe he would put his life in danger for the people he loves (see: bridge to the turnabout) but that is SO different.

Maybe I’m just overthinking this whole thing or maybe I’m suffering insane Phoenix Wright Brainrot or both but my GOD this is a frustrating case to play

[chiliontherocks]

MAJOR ARCANA XII: THE HANGED MAN

[1960z]

like sure simon can’t stand nahyuta but you can’t tell me there isn’t a part of him that also kind of wants to fuck him

[prommytheus]

straight to hell after these ones, boys

[ritzcuit]

ppl who follow me are tired of me saying this, but if i could address the aa fandom directly... i rly would just ask that people like, stop being mean about dd and soj. like thats all i want.

im not even IN the fandom anymore, so i have no reach. i draw fanart and make my little ship posts but thats all. and thats bc the wider fandom ... is so fucking mean sometimes. omg. like its just not fun!!

but really, specifically, its about the dd and soj thing. the "play ace attorney we have so many games and [MOST OF THEM] are good!" thing. like, its fine if you dont LIKE dd and soj, obviously!! im not saying you HAVE to!

but "i dont like these games" and "these games are objectively bad and no one likes them" are entirely different statements.

plenty of people like dd and soj, even have them as their favorite games. i know this bc my soj fanart gets notes 😭 i have ppl in my tags excited and happy when i draw dhurke and datz. bc we like these characters!! and like to think about them and the story they come from!

...just bc YOU dont like soj, doesnt mean a lot of ppl dont like soj! so i really dont understand the drive to constantly talk down and insult these games?! like ... why be negative. u could be nicer. its possible and easy and then doesnt drive ppl away from the fandom bc their favorite games are being trashtalked all the time.

a lot of ppl find the space family dd interesting! they LIKE the phantom and his concept as a character! they LIKE soj and all of the political settings! it doesnt rly matter that they are, by and large, A Little Flop, bc people still LIKE them and like making content for them and thinking abt them and playing in the space and...!! like. why hate that? why constantly put us down for enjoying smth you didnt?

just dont need to constantly make slights at how "bad" and supposedly unenjoyable dd and soj are. cus not only is it mean, and makes the fandom hostile, but its literally untrue. i dont even consider myself in the fandom anymore bc all the fun is taken out of it when i have to brace myself for shitty comments like this whenever i read a post abt the series!

and i rly wish i could just Not Care what other ppl say. a lot of my friends dont care. but soj is like.....ive spent the past 5 years loving that stupid ass mediocre game. like its deeply important to me. and i just feel like a lot of ppl would have some fun with it if they werent constantly told how bad and skippable it is. im sure dd fans feel the same way.

its very cliquey. its very "the popular opinion is correct and if you dont agree, you dont get to play with us". it just sucksssss

[seizethegay420]

WHAT IS THIS

[k20spock]

and lest it get lost in almost christmas, happy 11th birthday to rayfa padma khura’in

[moonlight--magician]

If there are no haters for this man I’m dead

[jinxedshapeshifter]

looking through the dual destinies and spirit of justice sprites really has me like "did ace attorney have a rough transition to 3d or do some of the sprite animations just not work in 3d like they do 2d"

[connoisseurofmanydotcom]

My favorite part of Spirit of Justice is whenever Rayfa just bullied/made fun of Phoenix LMAO she is too funny.

[space-heat3r]

I cannot describe how viscerally angry Roger Retinz makes me. Like, I've seen some pretty bad ace attorney villains before, but this guy takes the CAKE for punchability.

Can't stand scammers and people who shove cameras in your face to publicly embarrass you. Put them together? WHAM WHAM WH

[heatwa-ves]

you have to forgive me for making every character ever desi it's literally not my fault. also its soooo insanely depressing that I can't think of a single canonically desi character

[littlestuffstohide]

SOJ - Magical Turnabout Investigation

Apollo is so full of energy. We all know the jacket was Apollo's. You kinda feel bad as to why he's not wearing it. ahahaha.

Not to diss the game, fics make me confuse on Apollo's character. I need to explore him more because he's written as the most doubtful of the three.

The saddest face Trucy's made. All the hugs to her. She opened enough to trust Apollo. It's a lot. Plus Phoenix isn't there. Just goes to show how dependent partially Trucy was and at the same time Trucy trusted Apollo here.

Athena is everyone's mood ring!

Proven here. Apollo's just as a mess as Phoenix is. Or all of them are just messy. Lmao.

Apollo's making excuses like Trucy does. Lmao.

[brutalitybunny]

i think of it and why did we become a fandom thats like No that's too stupid that's too unusual. by which i mean idk if anyone thinks this anymore. but it used to be the predominant belief on aa twt that aa5 and aa6 were badly written and too absurd. and im like. that sucks. why did we do that. aa5 is like our shadow the hedgehog for the ps2 and you hate her?

[ritzcuit]

tht post... i mean, all the replies are like "yes this is because of the DIABOLICAL PURITEEN ANTIS" but even for relatively uncontroversial ships, they're pushed down, bc there's an insistence on ""Canon Ships"" and also gay ones lol

like narumitsu -> langworth. krisnix doesnt suffer this problem as ive seen but maybe im wrong. but even when ppl are allowed to ship either of those, there's an implication that it's only okay for the 7 yr gap, until phoenix and edgeworth Both Realize that they were MEANT to love each other, bc narumitsu is the ultimate ship. which is crazy. Cus like what if you just don't gaf about narumitsu.....

or klapollo lol. god forbid you ship claypollo. THOUGH again this might be less of a problem. i do distinctly remember ppl saying childhood best friends were sibling coded so you cannot ship. which is Puriteen Nonsense but im pretty sure just comes from "klapollo is the Ultimate Ship you cant ship anything else".

it makes sense to me ppl not rly rocking with narumayo or justicykes or wtfever because weird little age gaps like that arent In right now... gumworth i think has that problem too but it also has a few really good artists drawing for it which makes it acceptable Also it isnt straight lol

shit like miego and klema/skyemadhi suffer bc they are m/f and therefore Illegal. this is something i'm guilty of too but again this isnt rly a STINKY PURITEEN thing because m/f ships arent a crime, theyre just like, unpopular rn. still i can recognize it as being unjustified. miego esp is like, a key part of mia's story, if you're into exploring that thing... which is why the only miego content i see nowadays is From ppl who respect mia and want to explore her character. cool!

...but really, the truth is that this "popular opinion only" thing extends past ships. god forbid you enjoy dual destinies or spirit of justice bro youre told theyre the worst games that arent worth playing at all and u really should only like the Good and Perfect trilogy/tgaa (SHOT FOR MAKING EVERYTHING ABT SOJ) But like!! it's the same trend! "these are the popular opinions so you have to agree with them, on some level, or else you can't Play With Us." IT'S SO WEIRDDDD WHEN WILL IT END BRO