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idkwhatimdoingbutslay · 9 months ago

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Ok I’m bringing this post back because there are so many things I said out of anger and needed to think about for longer. When I say that I tweak because of this show I MEAN IT, so lemme clarify.

As much as I’m not Silco’s biggest fans and sometimes get frustrated at how he’s interpreted by fans, I still have to cut him some slack. Silco’s idea of liberation was not as skewed as I presented it to be here. Shimmer has been used for a lot of good, and we have to think about whether the good outweighs the bad. Silco did sacrifice many Undercity lives and did perpetrate the same means of destruction onto the Undercity as Topside at points, but he really believed in necessary evil and the eventual (and effective) liberation of Zaun. Whether that liberation under his control would be all that fantastic is up to debate. Silco’s development over the course of the show was kinda ignored in this post. Didn’t take Silco and Jinx’s very real relationship into a lot of consideration.

im never backing down on the ‘Vi’s not the activist you think she is’ and the ‘LOOK AT EKKO PLEASE’. Never.

Although Caitlyn didn’t show any malicious intent, she jumped into a situation she truly did not at all know enough about to address effectively. Can’t ignore that.

Im also never backing down on the fact that Arcane’s goal is not just to say that ‘cops suck’. You know how boring and useless a show like that would be? We KNOW that, Arcane KNOWS that. Now what?

CaitVi is real and so much more interesting when you take the individuality of the characters and how they fit (or don’t fit) into account.

I do still think about the Grayson & Vander and Caitlyn/Vi parallels. G&V was stagnant and broken. Will C/V be any different? What do the Silco loyalists actually believe? What does Jinx believe? Will compromise ever work? Will Piltover ever change?

The ‘NUANCE’ and ‘critical thinking’ and ‘media literacy’ points didn’t do or say anything lmao. Not really made in good faith. Arcane, of course, is not a black and white show, but I didn’t expand on that. -> Morally gray characters don’t just exist as ‘sympathetic but also a little evil’ tropes. Yes, Piltover is quite literally built in the backs of Zaunites, but that doesn’t mean Topsiders can’t be just as gray as Zaunites, they’re just gray in a much more different way. We can sympathize with the circumstances of the Undercity while also recognizing the humanity of Topside. I don’t think Arcane is meant to be about picking sides, it’s about showing the weaknesses and strengths of both while still prioritizing the marginalized (imo at least).

i still VEHEMENTLY disagree with the people in the screenshots lmao cuz what the hell

Saying it again -> “Embracing all the outrage without at all looking out for the people harmed by bigotry is not activism” because some people completely IGNORE the existence and purpose of the Firelights. But, I do think it’s interesting that in all of Silco’s power and influence, he never directly went after the Firelights. We mostly see him on defence when it comes to that. That is NOT to say that the Firelight resistance doesn’t deserve to be angry and frustrated with Silco and how he handles things

yes, real allies are necessary for progress, but allies also need to learn how to take a step back. Caitlyn, did in fact, stick her nose in business that she had no reason to be in because of her goodness but also because of her ignorance. Caitlyn, in all of her altruism, still hasn’t LEARNED. She knows Vi’s story and Ekko’s, but she’s still missing so many pieces of the puzzle. That’s a problem. That’s on purpose.

Don’t really know what I’m trying to say, but in all of my calls for critical thinking, I wasn’t doing too much of that myself in all of my anger and frustration lol. I’m sure there’s more I wanna touch on but this post is way too long lmao.

… I can’t imagine that we actually watched the same show. Like I REALLY AISNSOSNWKMEJDND

hold on I’m gonna need to calm down.

Let me just make a list of why I disagree and at least organize my anger. Long post incoming.

Vander was friends and had a deal with Grayson. The sheriff. Idk what else to even add to that

Caitlyn is more than a cop and Arcane isn’t copaganda. Genuinely don’t know what kind of progress some of these people are looking for. Real allies are a necessity for real progress.

SILCO IS A CLASS TRAITOR. HE FUNNELLED DRUGS INTO THE UNDERCITY AND PUT POOR KIDS IN FACTORIES FOR THAT DRUG FOR PROFIT!!! HE PAID THE ENFORCERS TO LET HIM DO IT WITHOUT CONSEQUENCE

Vi is not as much as an activist as you would like to believe

WHY IS EKKO NEVER EVER BROUGHT UP IN THESE CONVERSATIONS????

Silco was not good for the Undercity

Silco was not a great guy. Ekko had to build an entire separate hidden community for the people he hurt and stepped on for his own benefit

Caitlyn is ignorant and naive. That’s ok. That’s what character development is for.

Loving imperfect characters like Silco and Jinx then hating characters like Vi and Caitlyn is peak media illiteracy to me

FOR THE LAST TIME: VI DIDNT ABANDON POWDER!!!!! Silco literally wanted Vi DEAD for trying to stop him from killing Vander??? How could you possibly say silco was there for jinx when Vi refused to be???? SHE WAS IN PRISON BECAUSE OF HIM???

Silco’s manipulation is working wonders on y’all

Embracing all the outrage without at all looking out for the people harmed by bigotry is not activism

SILCO IS A CLASS TRAITOR x929282929394

Caitlyn was the first person in years to show Vi kindness and care. She listened and stuck by her and took care of her after Vi was locked up for years and beat up by cops (i wonder what led her to be thrown in there?). Cait being a cop stopped being a point of contention once Vi recognized her naivety and genuineness.

NUANCE NUANCE NUANCE. ITS NEVER EVER BLACK AND WHITE

The only way I can see Vi touching ‘class traitor’ in season one was the shimmer raid. Guess who the hell put those kids in there in the first place.

Just hanging out with Caitlyn isn’t being a class traitor if Vander’s allowed to be friends with Grayson.

Critical thinking is very necessary for watching shows like Arcane

What the hell did Silco really do for the Undercity???? What changed over the 7(ish) years he was basically in power of the place? All I’ve heard was he made the air cleaner, which would be great except for, you know, shimmer and the child factory workers

Jinx is unwell and feeding into it like this in a fully serious manor would not help Arcane as a show at all

What do you want Arcane’s message as a full show to be? ‘Screw cops’? That’s a little boring and unproductive isn’t it?

CAN WE TALK ABOUT EKKO AND HIS IMPACT PLEASE???? x9382728283

Caitlyn is trying to make Piltover and Zaun a better place. Is that not allowed? Am I missing something?

Caitlyn and Vi’s arcs have only just started. Season one is basically fully set up except for characters like silco and Jinx. This is far from the end.

Genuinely think Vander would appreciate Vi for being friends (using this term loosely because they are in love) with Caitlyn considering he was the one who was opposed to war and Vi wasn’t.

Silco should NOT be your idea of Undercity independence and respect. He oppressed the Undercity the same way the Council and the Enforcers did. He helped no one but himself, his team (barely) and Jinx.

You’re allowed to like and dislike any character you want but pretending like Silco is better for the Undercity than others is just so ridiculous to me. Everyone is of course completely allowed to like Silco, but we can’t pretend like he’s this stand up guy. If you have to pretend like he was, maybe you don’t like him as much as you think.

“Because Cait’s pretty” is also incredibly incorrect. Go check point #14.

Vi never stopped loving and caring for Powder. Powder’s mental health issues were amplified and utilized by Silco because he couldn’t even heal himself.

If all of your opinions of Caitlyn and Vi start and end with “cops suck” and “class traitor” then you genuinely don’t respect Arcane as a show enough to show you nuance.

The misinterpretation of characters is just so … it’s like you go out of your way to love and/or hate characters no matter how much they show you who you are.

Your closed mindedness is clouding your judgement and making you out to seem like you don’t actually want the Undercity’s triumph, you want Silco and Jinx’s, even if it means ruining the Undercity. And that would be fine because father/daughter evil duo but trying to say you’re all for this duo because you want what’s better for the Undercity when they continue to hurt it is simply not correct and very harmful (to fictional characters in a fictional universe 😭)

Only being able to understand how Silco and Jinx were oppressed and therefore should be able to not just destroy Piltover but also Zaun is not the eat you think it is

Why is Viktor never called a class traitor? I think he's great (I also think Silco and Jinx are wonderfully written) but we hardly saw him in the Undercity/ interact with people from the Undercity plus he killed someone (Sky) from there (accidentally)

EDIT TO ADD ANOTHER POINT: Caitlyn has shown little to NO malicious intent and has no real negative impacts other than Jinx’s attachment issues and insecurities being amplified by her mere existence. Again, this is her story and development. Throughout the season she is exposed to reality and recognizes her and her peers/ families wrongs. I have no idea what you want from this character. Should Piltover just be gotten rid of in the story? Then what? Should Caitlyn have just never gotten involved and continued to embrace her privilege? Should she have left Vi in prison and stay ignorant?

#Arcane #to slay or not to slay #SO much going on in this post #Prev you just reminded me that I wanted to come back to this lol so thanks for that

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fonulyn · 1 year ago

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since I've seen it talked about in several places recently:

if you are going to do a whump- or kink- or ANY-tober or other similar challenges please please please don't post them as one fic with 31 chapters unless it actually is one coherent fic. if they're 31 completely separate fics or ficlets then please just make a collection for them or just post them as separate fics. it doesn't matter if they're only 100 words or if you think they're too small or insignificant to post alone, they're not.

and why this?

because if you post all 31 of them in one fic the tagging is absolutely useless. if I look for things to read on ao3 I'm gonna look at the tags, and if the tags include something that's a dealbreaker for me, i won't even click on the fic. I might not even SEE the fic because I've filtered out the nope-tag! so I'm gonna lose out on reading 30 perfectly nice fics because of one fic that my nope-tag applied to.

ao3 is about archiving. it's about clear tagging and being informative. there is nothing informative about it if the tags in the fic apply to random chapters while others have nothing to do with it. it makes so much more sense to have each work as an individual fic with its own individual tags and warnings, so readers can make informed choices.

of course, you do you. I can't police what other people decide to do. but personally, I find it incredibly frustrating to weed through 31 chapters to find the ones I actually want to read. so I don't. I automatically scroll past all works posted like that. and I know some others do, too.

there is absolutely no shame in posting short things on ao3. there is no minimum word count. no one is going to look at you funny if you post a small ficlet on its own, I promise. it's just going to make some readers very happy when they can actually find the things they want to read.

so, please. at least consider the upsides of posting each work as their own fic.

signed, one very frustrated fandom grandma.

#ao3 #fanfic #fandom #I'm not trying to dictate what others do #so if you still wanna keep posting #completely unrelated works as chapters of one thing #then go for it #i'm not your mom #but please at least consider the alternative #and how much easier it'll be for people to #both find it and to make informed choices #of what they want to read

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