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[grecoromanyaoi]

continuing that post n i think i said this already but its crazy to see ppl try n draw a nonexistent line between "nonsexual violence" n sexual violence where one is ok to indulge in fictionally n the other is morally reprehensible. its rly crazy when they call for more or enjoy "toxic" or even abusive relationships as long as sexual violence isnt explicit in the text even when its v much implied. like sexual violence is implied whether ur saying "i want to see this character in a toxic yaoi situationship that shatters his psyche" or "i want this character to be raped" but if u say the latter publicly online u WILL b doxxed n reported to the police for alleged sex criminal tendencies. whatever.

[narcissisticpdcultureis]

NPD culture fucking hates Jimmy from Mouthwashing

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[trans-leek-cookie]

listen I'm not gonna be a Curly apologist he did Fucked Up as captain but I genuinely recommend ppl watch a playthru that goes thru the game in chronological order. It kinda helps clear up the events and gaps between them, bc even tho u See the times, you still experience it out of order.

The stuff Anya says definitely sets off alarm bells but it doesn't seem like he Fully Understands what she means, and I'm going to be 100% honest I think she was trying to repress it herself. This isn't to say that she is AT ALL "at fault" for what happened after and she should've gotten help even if she wasn't ready to fully discuss the issue but I genuinely think she herself was still coming to terms with things, so she didn't necessarily process the full impact before talking to Curly, and a lot of what happens occurs after they're laid off- like this delves into personal interpretation but I genuinely think Anya only registered Jimmy as a serious danger after his outburst towards Curly. Ofc my interpretation is limited bc of the limited pov in game and not having gone through what she has, but it personally reads more akin to coercion over time than a singular Obviously Violent incident (like. Not to say that Sexual Assault isnt violent in nature, just that coercion often specifically works to obfuscate the fact it is a form of violence.) The layoff is a Massive catalyst for her bc of Jimmy, in that she now has a very clear understanding of his capacity for aggression.

To extrapolate a little from the "Dead Pixel" conversation, she starts by saying she Likes The Screen (even though it's fake). While Curly has his quotes about the pixel "not ruining the illusion" which. Y'know is Symbolic Of His Flaws. She doesn't say the pixel ruins it, just that she can't get it out of her mind.

If we take the pixel to represent her Or jimmy, either way the way she talks about it kind of downplays things, like it's a Minor Thing that's Slightly Upsetting, but she's still okay with the big picture. Idk I could be 100% wrong but that is my take

Besides that, Anya tells curly she's pregnant 2 days before the crash, and it isn't until she outright states it that he starts Putting The Pieces Together. I want to note, he says "I'd do anything" and "this doesn't have to go on our performance evals" 1. Before he knows shes pregnant 2. Under the assumption she might attempt suicide, and I doubt he even thought about her using the gun on anyone else before she brings that up. He says literally before the line where she tells him she's pregnant that "being laid off isnt a reason to hurt [herself]". Like I've seen ppl talk about the performance evaluation thing like it's about her and jimmy, but I think he's referring to (his belief) that she might attempt suicide or similar which might genuinely be a consistent thing he's seen her struggle with, given she's able to go through with it. Also just to note: assuming their society is like ours (hellish) reassuring her he won't blab Abt her mental health is like. Genuine reassurance- lots of mentally ill ppl will Not Open Up bc it could have long term consequences (like. For example. On employment) ANYWAYS I hope it doesn't come off like "Curly never failed Anya" but rather "Curly approached this specific situation without the context of why Anya is panicking and (possibly validly) assuming she's dealing with a very different issue"

Also let me say again the time frame is 2 days. We don't Really see what happens, but we know Anya tells Jimmy without Curly knowing. I genuinely believe he maybe didn't do a Great Job in those two days (the fact he says Anya should've talked to Him before telling Jimmy is uhhh. Mm. 1. Your job to create an environment where she comes to you my man 2. Weird to tell her what she should do with HER OWN PERSONAL INFORMATION) but like.

I get a lot of ppl want immediate consequences but consider that they can't really get rid of Jimmy (co pilot. Which is. Y'know it's Own Problems) but also like. Curly knows Jimmy, and we know that Jimmy tends to lash out. Curly should probably Not Confront Jimmy Unless He Knows Exactly How To Keep Him From Hurting Anya. Like I'm not an expert but this is something genuinely important- when confronting an abuser you NEED to take into account the impact it can have on their victim, and sometimes for the victims safety you need to wait until you have a Solid Plan. It sucks but it's important.

And theres discussion to be had about Curly kinda going along with Jimmy saying "well what if we all died" and like. I do believe he Didn't Realize What Jimmy Said. Like he was just processing/trying to keep the situation under control (and failing because he underestimated how willing Jimmy was to hurt everyone including himself).

Like he's definitely an enabler but I would say his problems are mostly before he understands the gravity of the situation, in that he's friends with Jimmy and assumes the best of a man with abusive tendencies, and fails to create an environment that can keep Anya and the others safe. Like, he definitely doesn't handle in game events perfectly (psych evaluation for one- he does do it instead of Anya which is actually helpful, but he still treats it like. Weirdly.)

Idk I have a lot of thoughts about this game and I don't necessarily want to defend Curly but more like. Anya's situation is very delicate (and light on details) so sometimes the way ppl talk Abt it feels like they aren't actually focused on what she wants and what it means to prioritize her safety y'know?

Edit bc I just now figured out kinda how I want to word it: curly is an enabler and making things worse bc he doesn't put a stop to Jimmy's BS, but in the specific scenario we see in game I think he's trying to use his Skillset of like, people pleasing not for Jimmy's sake but for the crews (like "if I nod my head and say I sympathize he won't lash out and hurt them") which like. There are situations which that is unfortunately the safest option (on an individual level yes, but sometimes it's also necessary to prevent abusers lashing out in response toward ppl who are more vulnerable) but it was the Wrong Choice.

It's like. I think Curly was trying and had good intentions, and understood that he needed to protect the crew, but he didn't have the toolset/experience to realize he can't Just go along with things and that he needs to be able to set hard limits, even for ppl he likes and trusts. Like he failed but the failure was "for want of a nail", where it began way before what we see (for want of an understanding of power dynamics I guess.) Again, don't think this makes curly more forgivable or whatever, I just think he's a good example of trying to make the right choices when you never realized you'd have to make these kinds of decisions and therefore are unprepared and/or unaware

Second edit: personally I don't think you can really incapacitate jimmy without there being serious risk (again he's the copilot) but curly should've given Anya the gun when she told him Abt the pregnancy

[theofficialdailyplanet]

dick is constantly made to be the prime example of how dc is shit when it comes to male rape survivors and continues to either make them the but of the joke or hypersexualise them

i've already talked about how hbo changed the name in a gag they made abt tarantula raping nightwing - making him out to be whiny and implying no one cared about what happened

and now theyre continuing to hypersexualise him apparently making it a "major plot point" in season 4

was a fan of this show for how they changed ivys character from the sexualised female rapist to a chill, clothed, eco-terrorist activist that isnt a rapist (honestly one of the only iterations i can stand watching her in as it isnt insanely triggering like most of the dcau versions)

but whats the point if they continue to maintain the narrative that male survivors are constantly a joke? that theyre weak, whiny, annoying? that no one cares? honestly shame on dc- again

[lockandkeyhyena]

JESUS CHRIST. sorry for supporting corrective rape i guess???

[joeyclaire]

bandersnatch rewatch

taking place in 1984 uk could be an allusion to the book 1984, which is about government surveillance and has themes of rape, encountering one’s deepest fear, and thought crimes, and also takes place in the uk

the 1980s setting also implies negative cultural attitudes around homosexuality

stefan likely takes clomipramine, an ocd medication that used to come in orange and red capsules, but when i looked up side effects i couldn’t find anything that matched

camera angles in early scenes suggest stefan has already thought about killing his father pre canon (especially the way he eyes the ashtray, which he always uses to kill peter and the player doesn’t prompt him to use it)

what is the significance of the bandersnatch book originally belonging to stefan’s mother? perhaps it’s just to hint as early as possible towards her being dead, especially since she apparently never read it

i wonder if the glyph graffiti is there to imply others have had similar experiences or just to foreshadow? the davies case appears to be popular considering even thakur knows his story and a documentary and true crime book were made about it

colin condemns pre-rolled for having strychnine and then. takes lsd? which also sometimes has strychnine? dunno the significance of that but it’s definitely intentional

the colin games being named after metalhead and nosedive don’t appear to be alluding to the episodes for any particular reason other than being easter eggs, but black mirror does easter eggs relating to other episodes just for the sake of it a lot

this has been said but the first ending really is the closest to a happy ending. stefan is very young and brand new to game development and bandersnatch is his very first game; he would have had the opportunity to learn and grow from his failure if he was willing to take the bad review on the chin but since that ending is so unsatisfying the story refuses to allow that

the doors of perception, which thakur references and misattributes to timothy leary, is an autobiographical account of a drug trip and the insights experienced during the trip, foreshadowing the later lsd scene

timothy leary was a psychologist and author who advocated for psychedelics, more lsd scene foreshadowing

i’m defrostin mince :-)

“i think dad thought it was sissy” more gay coding

the rare stefan pov shots are often very shaky

looked up the other true crime books by the lives of jerome f davies, all appear to be made up

stefan’s house is shaped like the glyph

making plans for nigel is so on the nose

picking between the compulsions is why i’m so confident the player is a manifestation of his ocd

pax on the lsd is interesting, no idea what it’s meant to mean though?

colin has a poster for philip k dick’s ubik, a book with themes of cooperate espionage

if you have stefan jump a bus with A NEW CLEAN START drives past

peter appears to have a degree for neuropsychology? but i can’t read the second degree at all

parallels between stefan and his father/davies and his wife

not much to say on program and control route other than it seems to have the most foreshadowing out of all the endings

sex is almost always inherently violent on black mirror, which is why it makes sense that when haynes flirtatiously suggests they add “a little more action,” stefan attacks her (also cause he’s gay)

after chopping up the body stefan doesn’t leave it in his house forever, he hides it in a bag in the nearby woods, also stefan was arrested at 21 meaning two years after the events of the episode

the credits rolling in the pearl ending seems to imply it is the “true” ending (or most true)

[monkeeyuri]

”jake is so hot babygirl huge titties malewife himbo” thats a 16 year old transfem with themes of sexual abuse

[agdab]

fucking thinking about mouthwashing again gdi

[waterloggedsoliloquy]

this is an example no one will take seriously but a really egregious example of this is doc scratch. there are a lot of jokes in-narrative where hes accused of being a pedophile, and ppl loved to run with those jokes, but the jokes were there because it turned out doc scratch was encouraging them to deny plausibility for the fact that he was indeed grooming girls, including sexually, and three of those girls were victims of gendered violence by other perpetrators. the joke is allowed, the reality isn't.

[wagsandswishes]

i have a genuine question and i hope this does not come across as rude or judgmental!! how do you feel ok with engaging with inc*st kinks? like, not in a mean way but how do you not feel guilt? i want to understand your perspective if that’s ok! i dont think you’re a bad person or have any bad desires at all, i just want to understand where you’re coming from

thank you and i hope this ask isn’t too weird!! sorry if it is!!

awww thank u for the consideration i promise this isn't weird <3 ill readmore the explanation in case it's a lil sensitive :3

for me it's a mix of reclaiming comfort/intimacy in a found/chosen family that i extremely didn't get from my birth family (transgender woman that identifies as a dog plushie has family issues shocking i know x3) and the understanding that We're Just Playing Make-Believe. i know that lots of people use CNC to help deal with SA trauma in a similar way.

thank u for asking in such a kind way anon!! i hope u have a wonderful day im petting u nice and softly

[grecoromanyaoi]

LRB but ppl rly see sexual violence as a "higher" or "more violent" form of violence than like murder or imperialism. its so telling how ppl try n draw a border between "regular" violence and sexual violence. which like, a. that border doesnt exist, different forms of violence often go hand in hand and b. when it comes to fiction and honestly real life too w the way social media is, ppl insist on differentiating sexual violence from other violence. they can blorbofy murder, they can blorbofy imperialism, assault, emotional abuse, literally any form of violence that isnt sexual. but then theres this line separating sexual violence. oh if u engage with it in any matter in fiction, the -phobia and -ism accusations jump out. its this almost holy form of violence that is somehow different from everything else, and cannot possibly be embedded into literally any other form of violence, or often acted out alongside it. does that make sense. im literally going insane.

[dykesbat]

..can i be real. some of you do nooot care as much abt survivors of sa as you say you do..

[trans-leek-cookie]

the Substance 🤝 Mouthwashing

Named after a liquid that's important in universe + medical body horror nightmare + refusing to believe you're at fault for things you absolutely fucking did + pregnancy themes + focus on the damage of sexual harassment and assault not just on an interpersonal scale but also as a result of the larger culture of the patriarchy/capitalism + weird ass dream sequence + there really doesnt need to be shipping its just really the least interesting thing you can do with the stories + please stop hyping up men who are just Not Complete Creeps. They're fine but we don't have to act like they're Jesus fucking Christ okay + 3 month time skip

[theofficialdailyplanet]

i just think that dick grayson with a medusa tattoo

[joeyclaire]

black mirror sex is violence moments of all time

everything about the national anthem, the prime minister must fuck a pig or someone will die

the netflix ending of bandersnatch (therapist seemingly comes on to stefan and he reacts by initiating a fight)

davis (loch henry) getting a boner when talking about the violent way his father died + everything about his parents’ crimes

mia (crocodile) putting on porn to hide the murder she’s covering up

david (beyond the sea) fingering his wife immediately being juxtaposed with getting the same arm cut off

the military (men against fire) can only have violent or sexual dreams

lacie and the suit guy (nosedive) hurl insults at each other as a form of flirtation

these camera angles in suad (among others, but these are the most notable)

definitely more i’ll add onto this later

[oathofkaslana]

god it’s hard talking abt bronya’s origins.