#Ocha and Deku talked

[haleigh-sloth]

Interesting how there is 3 big 3 in the series

Mirio, Tamaki, Nejire.-> meh.

Deku, Bakugou, Todoroki.-> it's cool.

Shigaraki, Dabi, Toga.-> love them so much!!

Yes lol the characters are trio’d up quite a lot actually.

Shouto, Bakugo, & Midoriya are obviously a thing. I view that as a friendship thing primarily because they all help each other grow as people along the way and it’s just obvious they’ve all gotten real comfortable around each other through the Endeavor agency arc, but also as a potential coworker/hero thing since they work really well together

I’m also a fan of Iida being thrown in there: Iida, Shouto, Midoriya—> definitely a friendship/bonded through tough experiences thing, and you get the follow up later on in different moments (the war arc Iida following, retrieving Deku moment, Shouto’s noodle confession moment—> Iida is such a good friend )

Iida, Ochacko, & Midoriya have my heart purely for the organic friendship development they have. The way they all became friends at the beginning was just so realistic and relatable lol. I love that even though they aren’t the focus throughout, their friendships still matter and they even get their own volume cover together

The other kid trio I’m very much a fan of is Shouto, Ochacko, Midoriya (Savior Squad 🤩). This isn’t based on their interactions. Actually, Ochacko and Shouto barely interact, if even at all (though I suspect that’ll change later). This one is obviously based on the villains tying them together, which is why I’m a fan. I really do hope to see the three (or 6 😭) of them all interacting together later on. I’ll keep my fingers crossed 🤞. But even if not, it’ll be a missed opportunity but not a blow to the story. But we’ll see how that goes.

The Big 3–I really don’t care about them 😓

Dabi, Toga, and Shigaraki: I scream into the void about them enough. But also their “trio” dynamic is not based on their interactions at all either. Their individual circumstances and their individual stories all play off of each other without needing them to interact. And also they’re all similar to each other in ways they don’t/can’t say out loud, and for that I love the three of them. I personally don’t need them to interact directly with each other, like I’d hoped (still hope) to see with Shouto, Ocha, and Deku. I’d rather see them interact with the kids 🙏

[angy-grrr]

daily reminder: Ochako had to make herself physically see the damage the villains and war created in order to forget the uneasy feeling she got when Himiko smiled sadly (+ all the things she thought when she saw her). She cant forget what she has done (because she doesnt like the destruction), but that doesnt mean she cant forgive her or that made her feel distance from her.

Izuku can't forgive what Shigaraki has done, and as far as we know, he doesn't need to remind himself of the pain; his empathy doesn't make him feel weird about reaching out to a villain, at least on its own.

Its not a copy paste of the same battle or story.

Himiko and Izuku make Ochako wonder about the concept of heroism and saving, the roles heroes and villains have, and they also have an impact on her behavior, ideals, and feelings for them and herself. Shigaraki's fate and the world around Izuku seems to make him wonder about his role as a savior, because he doesnt feel like he fulfilled it really, when it ended up with someone else dying. He finds in Ochako someone who would agree on ideals about saving others, and thats great on its own.

[moonlitfay]

izuku and ocha next chapter talking abt how they witnessed the deaths of the people they care abt most and love and are therefore traumatised, and that's when Hori is prob gonna choose to have them confess and become canon... I need a cig

[wolfstarwereinlove]

honestly even if izoch didnt become canon, i think they still had the best conclusion out of any relationships. the last climax of the final war was their talk, izuku basically calling ochako his hero and holding her hand? meanwhile we havent even gotten an actual talk between bkdk and izuku didnt even acknowledge anything bakugo did for him. thats why many people think hori chickened out from confirming izuoch and just left it soft canon/implied at the end.

i disagree with u, but i respect your opinion, i will show why i disagree tho

first:

izuku and ochako are definitely important to each other this is canon and is beyond love relationship, they are friends first, like everyone in class 1A, this is the canon part that is not implied. Obviously if some people view more as love it’s ok too!

but now let’s talk about the importance of the acknowledgment of the hero thing and the hold hands in mha!

calling someone hero there is to show how this person is important, it’s not romantic at all. Izuku is kota and eri’s hero and obviously this is not romantic, it’s a way to show to that person how much their existence impacted on them. (and shoto also said something similar about izuku being he’s hero) And izuku calling ochako hero there make total sense, why? because she was struggling because she didn’t save himiko, that’s way he said that ochako was he’s hero, because even tho he couldn’t say that she was himiko’s hero deku needed to show her that she is important as a person, not as a friend, not as a lover, as a hero.

and i love this part because shows a lot about uraraka’s development! and i will also say the importance of him calling her by hero and not heroine, as her japanese VA said, uraraka is a hero so she is a woman that goes there and worked for her own things as a HERO, she recived and sacrificed herself for that work, if hori used heroine so this would make them being implied because heroine is the love interest, the girl who is a hero but is always saved, and kidnapped, and used as a weapon of torture, to disturb the hero

and who recived that cargo? katsuki.

now the hand hold, this is way more symbolic because it’s like a izuku’s thing and iz//chas used that as the biggest reason just because the hand hold has more history with bkdk than with anyone else 💀, but in mha holding a hand is to support someone or/and asking if they are by someone’s side, just because someone hold the others hand this doesn’t imply nothing and i say that for bkdk too! Iida, kirishima, ochako, aoyama, tenko, all of them had their holding hand, kiri with katsuki and the rest with izuku and this just shows the importance of the “hold hands”

but why this is important for bkdk? because katsuki rejected. Again this doesn’t mean that they are a romantic pair! BUT ITS MORE SPECIAL BECAUSE ITS THEM. the thing is the whole bkdk development was around that fucking river scene with the no hold hand, so the importance of this to bkdk is to show their development and their relationship, but not to say like omg they are canon, if was just because of this so half of mha would be canon. And the problem is that iz//chas misunderstood that and made this as the final point, but there was just two friends talking about how ochako was sad because of himiko (who i dare say had more impact in ochako’s life than deku did, because she showed to uraraka her importance and made uraraka understand more the villans and watch them with another eyes)

and obviously the reaching for izuku’s hand is one of the biggest reasons why the hold hand with bkdk is important in another level, this represents katsuki accepting izuku and he’s friendship, it’s when he decided to be different, to be better and be with izuku for the rest of their lives

second:

i’ll be sincere to you, i also missed a scene with a bkdk talk. But i do not agree when u said that izu//ocha had the best conclusion, because mha is about izuku and katsuki. The manga started with them and ended with them (and all might). Platonic, romantic, whatever they are, they had the best conclusion because the show revolves around them, without one there would not have the other.

All katsuki’s development was around izuku and he’s relationship with izuku, everything he did was to izuku or for izuku, he grow up, he died, he cried, he trusted, he changed because he understood through his relationship with Izuku.

And izuku didn’t have to acknowledge anything because he already trusted katsuki even from the beginning and izuku called katsuki he’s hero a long time ago, AND izuku saw katsuki crying because he lost he’s quirk so he knows.

they know eachother more than themselves so has no need to do such things.

third:

izu//cha was not implied at all in the final, they didn’t even talked in the time skip, while bkdk talked before and after so, has nothing implied there is actually about iz//cha

but kacchan spending years saving money with their classmates and all might (with him being the heart of it) and working harder everyday so izuku and him could be heroes together for the rest of their lives? oh this is a romantic thing to talk about

and he finally reaching his hand back? i dare say CINEMA

[misssmina]

I have this different (platonic) ships I have and was wondering about your thoughts on them since you really know the characters! I don't like shipping non-compatible characters so your thoughts on if they'll get along or not would really help!

The platonic ships are:

Baku&Camie (I feel like he would put up with her slang bc of dealing with Denki)

Melissa&Deku (They would totally [and did] geek out on tech/quirks)

Baku&Ocha (He already acknowledges her strength)

Kiri&Tamaki (They already work together with FG so I like to imagine Kiri begging Tamaki to spar with him)

Momo&Iida (With being Class president and vice, I feel like they would hang out a lot and develop a friendship that way)

Sero&Todoroki (Todoroki is pretty dense romantically and I think the same applies platonically, but Sero probably approached him after the sports festival because he found him interesting)

Mina&Jirou (Mina helps with Jirou's style and Jirou teaches Mina an instrument [I like to imagine the uke, but maybe something else would suit her better-])

Anyways! These were just some of my platonic thoughts because I've noticed how crazy the fandom is with romance and thought why not mix it up a lil with asking your opinion on them!

So I love these! I’m big on platonic ships.

But here’s the thing,

Bakugou is friends with all the girls (whether he’d admit it or not). Canonically, he gets along with them because they simply do not care about his little attitude issue. My favorite platonic Bakugou pairing is him + anyone in the rich kid club. (Momo, Iida, Todoroki, & Jirou)

Melissa and Izuku but also Monoma (If he can figure out how to stop being a dirt bag). I feel like they all geek out about quirks, especially Monoma because he wants to try them.

Kirishima and Tamaki are already sweet on each other. They both push each other to be better and Kirishima likes to take him on little introvert adventures to make him feel good. (Book cafes, walks, etc)

Momo and Iida, I feel like they get along outside of school very well, but often they’re together for things like press conferences and business meeting, same with Bakugou and Todoroki.

Todoroki and Sero are friends, but I think there’s a very specific dynamic they have. Tired friend + Snarky friend.

Jirou and Mina are BESTIES. Typical yapper+listener friendship. Can be very messy with gossip lol. They are normally who plan dorm activities (movie night, game night, birthday parties, etc). The equal opposite to their friendship is Kirishima and Kaminari.

Sero and Ojiro are best guy friends, they can talk about just calm, normal things. Low energy pals.

[theloveinc]

deku x reader - succession!au, uhhhhh............... deku has a thought abt parenthood. it's bad.

(warning - short, talk of pregnancy but no actual gender of reader mentioned, mild talk of stds, drugs, sleeping around.... etc.?)

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“I want a baby,“ your boss, Deku, the near-CEO of media conglomerate AllMightco, says randomly one day, halfway through your lunch break (that he demanded you spend with him), and in the middle of your well-earned silence after a long conversation about whether Bakugo needs antidepressants.

You can only gape at his words, close but not too close to where he’s seated at one of the little armchairs he has in his office for any business casual meetings that require somewhere cozy to sit in spite of any fighting words that may be spit (and for fucking, you’re rather quite aware).

“Maybe it’d be… good for me. I love kids and, I think, I think,” he continues, stuttering like he always does when he’s nervous, excited, high, his tone questioning despite his making of it a statement. “it would give me a break from work?”

All you can do is laugh at the question, dryly, in disbelief, unsure of whether he’s being serious or just sharing some secret, wistful dream. You decide to tell him the truth either way.

“You can’t have a baby just because you want time off.”

He ignores you, though.

“I have all this money, and what for…?” he waves his shaky hands, “I could have a family. I’d change diapers and buy toys and take them to the beach.”

(Though just last week, he was fighting the board for more funds, screaming in that raspy voice he always develops after working through the night that he’d give up any and all vacation time for the foreseeable future if it meant keeping Toshinori Yagi in a position, any position, at the company for the next five years.)

You throw your laptop aside and stand up from your wilted salad and grapefruit soda that’s now sweating on the coffee table to walk around the edges of his desk. You throw a leg over one sharp corner, the exposed part of your ankle brushing his knee as you address him directly.

“And who would be having this child, Deku?“ you ask. “An ex? A surrogate? Ocha—“

He gives you those eyes, slouching down into himself, reaching out to pull your butt of his table and grip the back of your thighs to pull you in between his legs. You can feel the length of his overgrown green curls brushing your fingertips as you put your hands on his stiff shoulders to keep yourself from falling right into him.

“Me? Izuku,” you clarify, (though you always call him Deku), “me? What do you think? I’m just gonna say yes, no warning, no nothing? We’re not even dating, sweetie.”

—and just last week Kirishima offered to drive you to the clinic with him to tested, though you’re not going to bring that up now, even if you know Deku already knows you’re sleeping around. He is too.

He closes his eyes, resting the back of his head against the heavy, red leather of his office chair. The stubble on his face is more noticeable than ever; he even has a little knick under his chin from shaving, and you move to brush your thumb against it as he swallows thickly.

“I’m just tired,” he says, blinking his dark lashes into the bags under his eyes,

“I know, baby. But a child is not way to fix that” you say. The for anyone part, you just think.

Deku pouts. He sighs. Then his face relaxes and he sags, his hands falling off you to lay limp in his lap, the silence in the room stretching like salt water taffy from the pier.

[bicheetopuff]

Dudebro Deku fans have gotta be the worst part of the fanbase. They genuinely hate everything about this series. I just saw one of them talk BS about Toga and call her creepy/killer, so many of them are happy she died. They hate Ochako and Toga's connection and story, they hate the queer subtext in Toga's character and her character in general. If there is one thing that I am at least glad is that Hori didn't give these dudebros the ending they wanted, he at least didnt make Ocha//Izu canon. Ochako's thoughts were primarly all focused on Toga and the time skip shows us her dedication to fund a program in Toga's name. Thank god these incels lost and I hope they will not see the light of the day for eternity.

I actually saw comments about this earlier today. Specifically people hating Toga, and one comment just admitting that everyone ended up gay. I don’t like that they hate for no real reason, but I’m glad a lot are willing to admit that there actually is queer subtext in the story.

I hope they find a heteronormative, cookie cutter piece of media that they can enjoy in peace so that they can stop hating on and harassing queer people

[ellisbian]

SPOILER MHA 428

reading some of the leak, i’m mad to ppl who saw uraraka crying FOR TOGA, deku probably holding her to cheer her and people saying “omg izuocha happening 😍😍😍” as always, het shipper cares only about their ship, happens with iz*ocha but happens with every het ship, that’s why i always go around with lesbians/wlw shipper for obvious reasons and gay/mlm shipper since they are always the real ones who care about the story itself like bakudekus are the ones who talk about other characters too and analysing the story like the current chapter… because now babe explain to me how can possible happen a love confession if uraraka is THAT BROKEN FOR FUCK SAKE???

not adding they already saying “thanks god bakudeku is defeat” lol what??? so y’all have been scared that bakudeku would be canon?? why they are already acting like iz*ocha happened not focusing on WHY URARAKA IS CRYING??? god i hate every het shipper 😭

anyway, i’ve also seen ppl being a little mad to horikoshi saying that he’s rushing too much and they have been lil disappointed, now i too would’ve liked a better ending at least for toga, but he also said that all the answer would come in the last chapter, so i want still to take hope in him. and the hope that no ship will be canon, especially no het ship bc we don’t need other naruto copies in 2024 lol

adding: someone say to iz*ocha that the one who’s writing this history is someone who don’t like happy ending, so we’ll get for sure a bitter sweet ending like the promised neverland, idk i have this feeling aside all

[dekusleftsock]

An izu//ocha shipper on tiktok pointed out something so interesting about the deku moment in this chapter that I didn’t even think about

He was nitpicking some things (he overall really enjoyed this chapter and has mostly good opinions btw that’s why I watched his video) and he said that one of the things he was upset by was the fact that the image of deku is so�� nondescript. Like it has no real importance, it’s just kind of an image of deku, it’s just there. It’s nothing special and it means nothing as a scene to both of their characters.

And everyone is like “omg this image of deku kind of made me upset in this chapter” and personally, I think just the fact that it means nothing to them as people proves that this isn’t supposed to be focused on. It’s not about her feelings for deku, or even deku himself, it’s about how toga is simply able to express how she feels freely. It’s about how she ADMIRES toga, not how she likes deku.

And how ironic that I realized this because an izu//ocha fan was annoyed by it? It’s just so interesting, everything has these little details you can just see in his chapters and it’s just so UGH I LOVE HORIKOSHI’S WRITING

And I want them to have girl talk, to gossip, to be everything beautiful about femininity and women and love. I want that. I want them to kiss or hold hands or just become besties because I don’t care anymore. I got what I wanted. It’s this.

[doodlegirl1998]

Hi. I just got an idea for a gamer au. Not sure if you know but some fics play with the concept of game for Izu. "What if Izu has a quirk that allows him to see life as a literal game?"

My take: Izu has this quirk waken in him when he was 8 years old (bk is a PoS and calls him deku) now the difference here is how...the quirk does interact with Izu and people can see it. My main gripe with this trope is how ...no one ever touched how sus would for Izu to "obey" quirk that only talks to him and no one can see it.

So...in this au, the quirk has the form of a green bunny (of course!) And her first priority is to protect Izu and she acess the situation. Aldera is not the best place for him and Inko is not...a great parent.

She bestow Izu with a quirk, a beginer one. Izu can control the perception of light one see.

Everyone is jaw drop. Quirkless Izu is no longer quirkless! Then everyone move on. Bk continues to be a PoS (his issue is with Izu, not the fact he is QUIRKLESS)

Bunny level up with him saying Izu to open his others quirks needs more stats and time "but this one will do"

We see them bond ad Bunny is now the mom of Izu. Inko? She doesnt change much she is relieved her son has a quirk but never asks about the bruises he got.

Bunny second mission is to elevate Izu's self love. She even hears Izu's rambles on how to defeat BK. "Cold water will do" bunny is pleased.

Here the thing...foreshadow for Bunny being a lovecraftian THING. Smth even Dark Shadow is wary and cowering.

Izu's life changes...not bc he has a quirk but bc he has someone on his side.

Izu meets AM who is impressed at Izu (and confused at bk as why he is being so rude to Izu "he saved him...there's smth wrong here") and wants to give him ofa - bunny has talked about afo and how he is a joke among the gods, oh yeah in this the outer gods messed up humans 200 years ago and the results are quirks- and Izu declines. Bunny chews AM out and drops Nana's name.

AM is shocked.

Bunny:😒 do I look human to you?

Nana is also shocked. But curious. They all are curious.

UA invasion begins and Izu saves Aizawa from Shig...and starts to belittling him and Shig is not having it. "He saved you! Show some gratitude!" Bunny is scheming.

Aizawa is a PoS. Bk is not at ua but he tries to appeal, only Aizawa hears him. The staff hates him for that.

The mall date begins and...well, bunny is very pleased to see Shig did take him to a nice cafe while he is bitch talking about his boss and stain. See in this version Shig wants to kill afo and accepted the mission of invade ua bc he thought afo would share some potential weakness to him.

Izu:🤨my dude. Afo is a moron.

Shig:🙄tell me about it.

Is bunny plotting for Izu to take down afo? Maybe. She is a ride or die here. If Izu wants to conquer the world...she is on his side.

Bonus: people get a bit unnerved by bunny, especially if she just stare at you- is she seeing your soul? Your future? Your death?- but Shig is strangely cool with that.

Bunny is scheming.

Oh bonus 2

Ochako confessed to Izu - right the time he gets a big intership🤨- and tells how he is plain but she likes him anyway.

Izu...turns her down.

Ocha:😮

Izu:🤨you called me plain! I think you are plain too so maybe we shouldnt hang out

Ocha:😮

Mina:😮

Izu left

(Not to insinuante Ocha is a gold digger but I cant really see her a love interest nor his friend anymore. Kudos for those who can)

Bunny is scheming! Izu is plotting too.

Hi @mikeellee 👋,

I certainly don't remember seeing this trope done before for Izuku but it certainly sounds like an interesting concept. An Izuku that sees life as a game, very cool!

Also I love your green bunny guide for Izuku that even makes Dark Shadow wary. Ooo! Perhaps Izu and Tokoyami could have a close bond in this considering the other worldly nature of their quirks? I do like the explanation you gave for quirks in this AU too.

It's so sweet that Shig and Izu have a respect and fondness of each other in this version of events and that Aizawa gets called out and Bakugou never makes it into U.A lol.

I do like how in the Bonus 2 omake Izu shows respect for himself by calling out Ocha calling him plain but still asking him out. It's strange how Hori treated Ocha and Izu - she's meant to be his endgame love interest yet Hori gives their friendship hardly any focus, they don't spend time together much at all or are shown / referenced to speak to each other and has her do things like calling him "Deku" all the time and "plain" which undermine the ship.

[theophagie-remade]

I know we're supposed to wait for the officials and see more stuff coming out, so i won't judge too much.

So Idk how to explain exactly the way i see it, but i had the same reaction when Deku was mentioned. I went from "oh noooo" to "HELLO???" really fast i almost had a stroke lmao

But i guess it has to with how Uraraka compared something she admire abt Deku, a hero friend in common with Toga and applied that to forward how strongly she felt abt Toga and that caused her to make that gay ass confession and commit to Toga in a deeper way and so on.

It's all a jambled mess of thoughts and words, bc, well emotions still running high lol. I hope i can come up with something better bc i really wanna talk abt it

XD

I don't know, I'm super torn 😵‍💫 I haven't seen images of this one scene yet, so this is all based on what the leaker said, but to me Uraraka thinking about Deku and then saying that she wants to be like Toga automatically read as "oh, I want to be upfront about my feelings too", that's why I'm... annoyed/frustrated with it, like girrrrl you were doing so well, and then you had to bring mr brocoli into it (+ I think it's kind of dumb to put an ordinary crush on a boy on the same level as Toga's feelings, even if it is to validate them/show that there's nothing wrong with them, that there's something admirable in the way they're expressed)

I mean, I was an absolute doomerist for this arc (with some of my old posts as proof askxkgk), so what happened has wildly surpassed my expectations as it is, and Uraraka will always be gay-in-love with Toga in my heart no matter what 🫶🙏 to me it's one of those classical shonen cases where In Theory there's a couple we should pay attention to and look forward to seeing (izu//ocha), but In Practice the members of that couple have waaaaay more interesting things going on with someone else (LIKE "DRINK MY BLOOD, FOREVER" HELLO ?????), but with girls too for once lol. Idk, patiently waiting for @/pikahlua's translations in meantime to have a clearer idea of what's going on 🫡

[oncforallxbroccoli]

//I'll take "Certain Izu/Ocha twitter accounts continuing to make me NOT want to see Izuku and Ochako end up as the endgame ship for MHA" for 100, Alex. >>

I just witnessed a tweet referring to George Floyd's death while talking about Baku/Deku.

And I just ....

Like.. I'm a shipping whore .... I love me ships, but to compare the tragedy of what happened to a REAL PERSON with FICTIONAL CHARACTERS is fuckin' disgusting.

[poprocksmbabie]

sigh. sigh. is it rewatch time.

(yes)

Yk now I can cry over it but I swear when I first watched it, deku crying to inko pointing to the all might video……he looked so much like mineta I could never cry at it

I will say the one thing I feel bad for bakugo about is the fact that he quite literally had no one to talk to about the huge block keeping him back, the fact that deku WAS QUIRKLESS. He really had to keep that all to himself until it all came apart at DvK2…….hmmmm. Like he really just had to take “this quirk was given to me” as an answer and go on like nothing happened. I mean he did say fuck it that it doesn’t change things for him but like ehhh. Even after all that. At the end of every roadblock it all came back to ‘how the fuck did he get a quirk.’ hm.

like he fr just said "fuck you i'm over it" ... i must say he did an excellent job of fooling everyone into thinking he's some brainless guy who doesn't care, bro does not EVER forget a SINGLE detail... motherfucker said "oh whatever you just beat me today that's all it was" acting like the rest didn't matter to him and here he comes up months later FUCK!!!!!!

"fortunately he didn't take it seriously" yeah you THOUGHT

dekus world getting rocked by the fact that bkg can get teased is SO FUCKIGN FUNNYYYYYY

kamimomojirou since day ONE BABEEYEYYY

dear lord i got to season 2 all might's letter to gran torino thinking about. like after the public has found out about ofa omfg could you imagine stephanie soo type conspiracy mukbang videos being made after LMFAO "and here's where it gets even CRAZIER the letter they found right? that was to his master in high school? so the previous user's child was shigaraki's grandma but his GRANDPA was the GUY IN THE LETTER"

todoroki was so damn dramatic gotdamn. literally unwarranted

forgot for a second how fucking funny tetsutetsu being there is RIGHT WHERE IT HURTS

sometimes i wonder if that part was just lazily written or what cause if I saw a landmine like that my FIRST thought is how do I use this as a rocket ...

bkg peeping in on the endeavor talk will never not be funny esp knowing how he is in s5, likeHHEUQUZUFHJE ‘this was the wrong convo i shouldn’t have come here i shouldn’t have come here’

I will always love the detail of bkg giving ocha back the charred jacket :[ do i care for kcchk? not much but gotdamn … gotta love those two … also it’s the fact that bkg even went “yea I know ur friends w fucking deku” HE’S SO ANNOYED AT THEM HAJSHIFHAJAHAA

when todoroki was trauma dumping and bakugo said “but Actually though WHO CARES” he was so real for that

not to be dramatic but wow i started bawling at todoiida again. like what the fuck you’re telling me todoroki who has literally not made a single connection to anyone in his class saw the pain that iida was in that even iida’s own friends at the time couldn’t tap into.

man … when deku was tryna understand how to be less stiff with ofa he thought of bkgs moves … sighhh sighhghggghhhh

the real question is what kind of microwave doesn’t fucking turn. the biggest epiphany for deku that took a season and a half was from seeing how a normal microwave works.

(At the time of this, chapter 385 has been released) rewatching stain arc rn is CRAAAZYYYY

back to todoiida like the opening bro the fact that deku is turning around to check on iida whereas todoroki had his eyes fixed on him the whole time HE KNEW FROM THE STAAAAART

[haleigh-sloth]

How did Shouto have more to go on than anyone else? Why because his family gave him some information which didn't do him any good? Shouto is the only one who couldn't save his villain because he had nothing to go on.

He literally got an entire backstory leading up to Touya’s death from his parents’ POV, and then Touya told him he did in fact go home and then chose to leave. He also has siblings who have talked about Touya and sees their mourning.

That is significantly more than literally anything Deku and Ocha have to go in which is seeing Toga and Tomura crying 👍🏼

No it didn’t do him any good because he misunderstands his brother’s pain in the first fight, that doesn’t negate the fact that he literally has like 99% more information than the other two who have (1) thing.

[bicheetopuff]

Honestly, I appreciate Hori for leaving things open. But I must say that Toga dying... hurt. I don't want to say it was a bury your gays moment, but it felt weird knowing that other more terrible villains were let go and survived. It actually would have been terrible if we got Izu/Ocha after Toga died like that.

I’m actually conflicted about Toga’s death

I still stand on my belief that Himiko shouldn’t have died at all, however I’d be lying if I said I didn’t appreciate the moments leading up to her death and how heart warming her intention was.

She couldn’t imagine a world without Ochako so she made sure that the world wouldn’t have to live on without her in it. So, she sacrificed herself to save her and atoned for her sins at the same time. At least that’s what I took from it, and I saw it as almost like a romantic tragedy.

If you ignore what the themes were in bnha and how inconsistent her death was in accordance to those themes, I thought her death was beautiful.

But, if you’re like me and don’t ignore the obvious inconsistencies, then her dying felt like it came out of left field and it didn’t really make sense. And it made feel a type of way that her actual death was off screened.

I’m not gonna go too far into it because I start talking about how much the ending bothered me, I won’t be able to stop talking about it, but I will say the worse villains who survived (I’m assuming you mean Chisaki?) aren’t exactly living lavishly. While this was never set up in bnha before the final war arc, death for your sins means mercy/living through the punishment of your sins means torture is a popular trope in a lot of stories, which wouldn’t have been a problem if it was actually foreshadowed appropriately…

Chisaki being reminded of what he did every day for the rest of his life and having to live without his arms I feel is an appropriate punishment… however I think if horikoshi wanted to set up the deaths of the main antagonists, he should’ve revealed Chisaki’s personal hell before the final arc started. And if death means a merciful punishment for your sins, I don’t understand why Nagant, Hawks, and Stain are still alive/not confirmed to be dead… I don’t want them to die by any means but if Horikoshi wanted to be consistent then…

Mr Compress and Spinner got to live because (if I remember right, I can’t look it up right now) they never killed anyone. So if that’s the case, why do they get nearly the same punishment as Chisaki who killed people for no real reason and tormented a little girl for no reason other than selfish greed? And if Chisaki gets to live, why is it that AFO doesn’t? Again, I’m not saying any of these characters deserve to live or die and I’m not gonna give my opinion on who should’ve lived and died. I’m just pointing out the narrative inconsistencies.

Anyways, I got really off topic. All of that to say, I agree that it felt super off putting that Toga had to die while different characters of the same/similar sins were able to live. And yeah, if Izuocha happened after the way Toga died, it would’ve been such an insult to her.

She didn’t die for Ochako to throw her arc out the window and go back to being in love with Deku because others told her that she should be. Ochako wanted to be like Toga, who lives and loves as she pleases, and wanted to be able to show her feelings just like she did without feeling the need to hide herself from others. Confessing to Izuku, unless she actually seemed like she wanted to, would’ve negated that.

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Nah, because even though I don't think that ochako's character should only be revolved around midoriya, but we can't act like we didn't see this coming.

Like one of the biggest reasons that the whole ochako v. toga arc exists is because of midoriya. Back in the whole summer camp arc, toga called out ochako and told her that there was a boy she liked and claimed that she completely understood what it was like to have a crush (the difference was how toga expressed her love compared to ochako). Toga also told ochako that there was a boy she liked that reminded her of midoriya, and that she wanted to have a talk about midoriya with ochako

The overall conclusion to this arc was ochako was trying to connect with toga. she's trying to help toga heal and tell her that her feelings are valid, and that how the way she expresses love was okay.

Plus all ochako said in that speech was that she developed a crush on midoriya along the way. She said other things in the speech, such as her reason to becoming a hero and her wanting to help people and how she admires people like toga.

Like, I get it for people who dont ship izch and feel like hori has let them down, but 1, lets not act like ochako's character was ruined because of admitting she liked someone (I can see the counter-argument, but read what I just said earlier, midoriya was going to be talked about, regardless), and 2, everything is still fair play. We dont know how it's going to end. if it ends up being an izuocha ending, fine, it's not the end of the world, we'll read fanfiction. But if it doesn't and either another izu-ship/ocha-ship becomes canon or everything is left to interpretation, that's also fine.

Honestly, I'm happy that hori didnt do the whole "I love deku-kun better than you and you're feelings dont matter compared to mine" route.