#Naqba

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Some 5,000 settlers gathered in Jerusalem on Sunday to celebrate their efforts to resettle the Gaza Strip and bring the coming of the Messiah one step closer. The fact that they remain a minority in Israel was of scant concern to them

''Voluntary' [emigration] is at times a situation you impose until they give their consent,' declared Netanyahu's communications minister on-stage, exposing the true message of the 'Conference for the Victory of Israel': The transfer, or expulsion, of Palestinians from Gaza

Some of the participants were National Security Minister Itamar Ben-Gvir, Minister of Heritage Amichai Eliyahu, Likud MK Ariel Kelner, Samaria Regional Council Head Yossi Dagan, Bezalel Smotrich, Orit Strock, Amichai Eliyahu and Yitzhak Wasserlauf, Haim Katz, Amichai Chikli, Shlomo Karhi, and more on top.

A huge map of Gaza hung on one of the walls with the names of the Katif Bloc settlements that were dismantled during the Gaza disengagement in 2005; alongside them were the names of planned future settlements. One of the organizers said that dozens of families had registered for each of the six groups planning to settle in Gaza.

It's an intentional fucking genocide and ethnic cleansing. As if there was any actual discussion about it, but just in case.

At a caucus meeting, right-wing Israeli lawmakers offered advice like 'in the northern Gaza Strip we first have to conquer, annex, destroy all the houses.' Every time someone mentioned the resettlement of Gaza, loud applause erupted "This event must end in a way that resounds everywhere in the Arab world," he said, adding that in the West Bank, "among the Arabs of Israel, in Syria, in Lebanon, everyone must see what has happened to Gaza and understand that this is the last thing he wants to happen in his life."

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Israhell terrorists literally murdered a 9 years old child out in the open.

Even monsters are more merciful than those zionists. Heartless cowards.

May those zionists meet their fellow nazi brothers in hell.

[thomas-querqy]

Gaza l'effacement d'un peuple dans Courrier International du 10 janvier 2024

Hamas : la fabrique d'un monstre, Arte reportage (53')

jusqu'au 28/12/2026

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Pânico moral

A disputa entre os estudantes pró-palestina e os brasileiros que moram Israel sobre a questão da ofensiva militar israelense em Gaza para destruir o Hamas e resgastar os reféns ganha contornos trágicos onde os preconceitos ganham voz onde se perde o senso de sensatez por que os contrapontos são tratados como uma declaração de guerra da narrativa como se diz atualmente nas redes sociais que…

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My towel, your towel, our towel. A story of The Land. Israel & Palestine.

A hopefully not too insensitive incursion into the history. Today in Israel, a General Strike is threatened. Some people are not happy. Hard to disentangle what is what. Certain i've not helped.

I am thinking of the Germans. Not, of World War Two, nor of modern times welcoming of Syrian and Ukranian refugees, love of the environment and general industriousness, more the caricatured German on holiday. You know the trope. Up, before breakfast, towels on the lounger. Possession nine tenths of the law. Later they strip-off, in the all-together and swim in the lake. That is another…

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News Story

3:09pm Naqba at Bernie's

The Naqba is the Arab day of mourning for when they failed in their attempt at ethnic cleansing and genocide against the Jewish people in the Land of Israel.

We have zero expectations from Rashida Tlaib. After all, not everyone can be a Yoseph Haddad.

But for Bernie Sanders to help Tlaib commemorate the failed attempt at ethnic cleansing against us (and his own people) is such a Loser move.

And a rare shout-out and kudos to the ADL for doing the right thing here.

More: Jewish Press

The Muqata

[itsthebigguy123]

there's a disgusting amount of scam artists/bots on this site posing as Gazans in distress. by far the most evil grift I've ever encountered.

Exploiting a real genocide like that... unforgivable and evil.

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Conversation between me, and another high educated Jewish women whose opinions I respect

Her: What's missing here are the facts. If we stuck to the facts there wouldn't be so much intensity surrounding this issue. Me: But you and I are both highly educated Jewish women, and we can't even agree on the facts regarding the history of Palestine as a place name, ethnic identifier, and nation. If we can't even agree on those facts, how on earth can facts help anyone move forward?

There's the question. Not just for Jews, but for everyone involved in, or concerned with this conflict. How do we move forward if multiple sides of the room dispute the veracity of such basic statements as:

-Jews are a globally oppressed minority ethnic group, the hatred of which is deeply embedded in Western thought and rhetoric.

-The Naqba was a period of ethnic cleansing in which the government and military of the new State of Israel expelled Palestinian Arabs from their homes and property; a dispossession and a series of events which continue to traumatize and negatively impact the lives and livelihoods of Palestinians.

-The Holocaust was a traumatic event in the history of the Jewish people, the legacy of which is embedded in the psyches, world views, and collective trauma of the Jewish people, and invariably impacts how this group views global issues.

-Palestinian Arabs had a full developed sense of identity and statehood before the British Empire fucked off, and made their discomfort with increasing Jewish emigration clear to the British before the outbreak of the Second World War.

-Jews had nowhere to go before, during, or really, after the Holocaust; and the governments of many Arab States ethnically cleaned their own ancient Jewish communities in retribution for the creation of the State of Israel.

-The State of Israel does not exist because the Holocaust happened, or as an "apology" for said event.

THIS POST COMPRISES A SERIES OF RHETORICAL QUESTIONS MEANT TO MAKE US APPRECIATE THE DEPTHS OF THE DISCURSIVE PROBLEMS HERE; NOT A POST FOR "DISCOURSE" AND HATEFUL, AGGRESSIVE SHIT.

If you feel you have to do that, copy & paste into your own separate post.

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Dessin paru en « une » du « Monde » le 6 décembre 2023 : Offensive terrestre dans le sud de Gaza par Dilem

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Letters to My Palestinian Neighbo(u)r

More of my travels in The Land - inner and outer space. From Griffons to being wrong about being wrong.

I finished Yossi Klein Halevi’s book yesterday. I was sitting in the shade, in my brother’s garden. In Ra’anana. This is within the original 1948 borders of Israel. Tomorrow, we visit Qumran, site of the Dead Sea Scrolls and on Sunday, Jerusalem. We will cross the border from East to West. Thank you, Yossi, for reaching out, for articulating your position and providing an explanation for…

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The Jewish refugees put a wholly different spin on geopolitics

The Palestinian nakba is an antisemitic myth, portraying Jews as land-grabbers and Palestinians as victims. Firmly excluded from the myth is that Jews lived in Palestine continuously, and  that 900,000 Jews were driven out of Arab lands. This second inconvenient truth puts a completely different spin on geopolitics and history, argues Jan Shure in her hard-hitting Times of Israel (Jewish News) blog aimed at useful idiots and fellow travellers.

Jan Shure

“Their perception of Israel is erroneous. It is based on their unexamined, uncritical acceptance of the Palestinian narrative of victimhood that was set down in roughly 1948 and has, through the years, been carefully enhanced, embellished and gilded by an assortment of willing hand-maidens, from BBC journalists to UN officials, politicians and so-called human-rights groups.

So for all the anti-Zionist Jews, for all the hand-maidens plus the stand-up comedians, academics, trade-union officials, doctors, KCs and luvvies who are bewitched by the narrative; and for every gullible Ivy League under-graduate and every climate “champion” who has deluded him- or herself into thinking he/she/they are on the right side of history when calling for the annihilation of the world’s one Jewish state as it defends itself from existential threat; and for every person who believes that the slaughter, butchery and rape of Oct 7 is “justified” by the version of history they have heard or thinks that that version of reality “excuses” Palestinian terrorism, let’s examine the narrative. In particular, let’s take a hard look at the origin story and the myth underpinning the narrative, Naqba (“the catastrophe”). Naqbahas been the key plank of the myth, driving hate for Israel for 76 years. Let’s bust the myth.

The first thing to know about Naqba is that it is essentially antisemitic. In fact as most Jews know – and in truth, anyone with an IQ higher than their shoe-size should know – the entire Palestinian narrative is antisemitic, playing strongly into (and carefully feeding off) millennia-old antisemitic tropes. But Naqba, the gigantic grievance at the core of the narrative, digs deep into racist tropes to portray Jews as usurpers and land-grabbers and Palestinians as the “victims” of Jewish “wealth,” “power” and “control.”

The second thing to know about Naqba is that it is a myth. Though containing a few grains of truth and failing to feature multi-headed creature, its absurd refusal to acknowledge Arab territorial dominance and its cavernous omissions make it about as useful as a record of real events as Norse mythology would serve as a guide to Sweden’s history.

At almost the exact same time as the Palestinian Arabs left/fled/were driven out of Palestine, some 900,000 Jews left/fled/were driven out of Arab lands.

While it is undeniable that 700,000 Arab Palestinians left/fled/were driven out (choose your preferred verb), two crucial and equally undeniable facts are always conveniently ignored in this “myth” that’s the main supporting pillar of the narrative: the first undeniable fact is that – as proved by every population census, every archaeological dig and every genuine historian – Jews lived continuously in Palestine (known at different times as Israel and Judea) from Bible times onwards, making it demonstrably false (and, frankly laughable given the slightest knowledge of the Old or New Testament) that Palestine was “exclusively” Islamic/Arab/Muslim and Jews were “colonisers”–as claimed in the narrative.

The second undeniable fact that is always firmly excluded from the myth is the inconvenient truth that would put a completely different spin on the geo-politics and history, which is that at almost the exact same time as the Palestinian Arabs left/fled/were driven out of Palestine, some 900,000 Jews left/fled/were driven out of Arab lands.

This was equally catastrophic for the those 900,000 Jews. But as they were not “encouraged” to stay in refugee camps set up on the Egyptian or Iraqi borders (or on the borders of any of the other dozen or so Arab states which drove out their Jews), they were not able to fulfil their potential propaganda value as visual-aids to the persecution of Jews by Arabs and the reason why a Jewish homeland is so vital.

But they dispersed to diaspora communities or were absorbed into Israel because, if not, using the same statistical methods that the Palestinian Central Bureau of Statistics (PCBS) used to determine that there are now 14.3 million Palestinian “refugees,” we would find that those 900,000 Jews expelled from Arab lands now number some 18 million – or perhaps 10-12 million if we adjusts for social and economic factors.

Maybe with hindsight, it was somewhat foolish to encourage all those Jewish refugees to make new lives in new countries, or they might have shown a deluded world that the Palestinian narrative is built on a deeply flawed myth while also pointing out that Jews are being persecuted and demonised for wishing to remain in their ancestral homeland.”

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Let me make this one thing clear. Israhell doesn't care about their hostages. Never did. And after the release of that elderly woman who spoke highly of Hamas, Israhell is less enthusiastic now.

They've cut off the last telecommunication method in Palestine. So, they're not planning to communicate to negotiate in getting back their citizens. Israhell government only wants to ethically erase Palestine and it doesn't matter who lives there. In naqba, they killed Muslims, Jews, Christians without remorse. They'd happily bomb those hostages for their own gain and later blame it on Hamas just like they did with the hospital incident.

Their real faces have been exposed in front of the world, especially to the people of western world (the eastern world already knew). And now they have lost shame. No need to wear that mask anymore.

They've failed to break the spirit of Palestinian people and it hurts their fragile insecure ego. They're killing thousands of people and still couldn't make a dent in the spirit of Palestine.

Israhell government is the walking living monster. They're walking nightmares yet they couldn't make those Palestinians afraid of them. Even little Palestinian girls stand up to IDF terrorists. They're a bunch of cowards with big machines. They're pathetic, they're vile.

And what gives me hope is that people (not the government) around the world are standing with Palestine. They're choosing humanity. They're embracing the spirit of Palestinian people.

People of Palestine have managed to bring out the inner spirit of people around the world. I've seen people who were too afraid to speak up against their own governments are joining gatherings to stand with Palestine and stand against oppression.

Long live Palestine 🇵🇸

Free Palestine 🇵🇸

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pixeljade: #it IS very much a complex issue and I feel like saying that has been pissing off a lot of folks on both sides #one fact i would add to the table is that the current actions against palestine DO constitute a genocide by definition #its a word i hear pro-Israel people get very upset by because they think it is inherently comparing this to the holocaust #but its not. some people DO and thats its own discussion. but calling it a “genocide” is simply accurate and undeniable

Speaking as someone who was that pro-Israel person in her teens and very early 20s, the reactions you're describing are 800% cognitive dissonance freak outs. Most of these people, like me, received either directly or indirectly from their Elders in the Jewish community a very trauma-induced and deeply emotional information about the history of this situation, which boils down to: "They tried to kill us all once and they didn't now we finally have returned to the Promised Land, the only place we have to shield ourselves against It Happening Again. Israel's detractors hate that Jews can defend themselves now, and if any of them, including the Palestinians, were to have their way, they'd see us all dead. We must defend ourselves at all costs, and not let anyone ever put us in existential danger as a people ever again."

And then to have some rando 19 year old who knows jack shit about your or your community or your community's trauma to get up in your face and start screaming at you about genocide? It's only going to trigger that intergenerational trauma, and cause the party being screamed at to dig deeper into their defensive, cognitive-dissonance fueled response. Which, if we were to boil that response down to a thought process, looks like "This person hates me and all Jews. They think we're a hive mind who don't deserve to live. Thank G-d for Israel."

What's complex, is that not everything in that trauma response is wrong, and not everything the dumbass 19 yo who has no interest in unpacking their own learned anti-Semitism was wrong.

Israel's actions towards Palestinian Arabs since 1948 does fit several definitions of genocide and/or ethnic cleansing. And many of the Westerners who scream about it the loudest are fairly openly anti-Semitic.

Now, as someone with big Holocaust intergenerational trauma in her family, I am sympathetic to the Jewish kid in this scenario. But cognitive dissonance is just that: the domain of a child. Adults understand that cognitive dissonance is a little voice in our head telling us "Hey comrade our discomfort with this is a little much. Maybe this is a learning opportunity?"

I mean, that's what I did. But it's difficult. Its uncomfortable, and that scares people. It's much easier to believe that "They call it the Naqba because they hate us and think our survival and access to national self-determination is a disaster,"* than it is to understand that "They call it the Naqba because it was the near total dispossession and ethnic cleansing of Palestinian Arab populations from their generational homes and properties."

And again, everything I'm saying here is a result of my journey from a hardcore Zionist-in-the-contemporary-sense child (though always left in terms of domestic US Politics), to a grown Holocaust historian who understands that Israel is no better and no worse than all the other nation states (for new readers, I understand the nation-state as a political entity, the logical end point of which is genocide and/or ethnic cleansing), and openly criticizes it on those grounds.

*A rabbi in a youth group I belonged to told me this almost verbatim when I was 15. And when you're 15 and somebody tells you they love you you're gonna believe them.

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It is fascinating to read about that utterly lost and hopeless cause of 1979… Estonian nationalism.

I am once again consuming John Le Carré novels (audiobooks) in bulk to escape my dread sadness etc. and I do just really enjoy how nakedly Michael Jayston is doing Alec Guinness for George Smiley. Yes. Good choice. Correct.

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People here simping for Free Palestine ideology and chanting RiverSea do not realize what they are backing.

All of those so-called resistance movements doe Palestine always ALWAYS ever targeted civilians, and preferably children. They targeted soldiers too, but by far less of a factor in the grand scheme of "activity".

Going back to before the establishment of Israel, in 1929, the pogroms were all about depravity, rape, and massacre. That was a straightforward anti-jewish murderous glee. And that's not counting further back on and on. It was as regular as seasons.

After 1948, it colored itself with the colors of anti-zionism, but it was ever the same.

Be it the 50s attacks, or be it the hostage taking of entire school and the massacre in the 70s, be it the bombing of a nightclub in the 00s. Or any other terrorist act for the past 100+ years of documented history from Ottoman, to British Palestine and then the establishment of Israel.

There was never one single action done by any of those "grassroots" organizations that concentrated om the betterment of Palestinian lives. They spit at the lives. They want deaths. This whole engine runs on death, misery and depravity.

The only difference is that since the early 10s of the last century, the Jews started to stand up for themselves. And step by step, they established their own guards and armed themselves.

The only difference is, in 1948 the Jews earned their sovereignty, fought for it, and won.

Those who chose to stand by the Jews became Blood Brothers of the Jews.

Those who chose to hate the concept of Jews defending themselves, are seething to this day. For them, it is an insult that they can't just ramp up and burn it all down. That Israelis - the Jews and those who stayed and those who stood by them, are now armed. And will fight back.

Today, this is the age of misinformation. The biggest weapons are words. And taking the reality and bending it into a narrative that fits you, sprinkling ancient hate over it, and sitting on that white guilt, pushing the fabricated oppresed/oppressor binary, waved like the answer to the world's problems - these are weapons of the mind. This is point blank how propoganda looks and operates. "ME vs THEM" is 1.01 Fascist tactic. And the FreePalestiners fell for it with a snap of a finger.

It is not reality. How can the public believe so much in non binary and be so binary on any other subject? There are at least 18 shades of black that we know of.

Truth is, the establishment of Israel was the most successful and one of the earliest modern examples of active indigenous reclamation of ancestral land and sovereignty.

Zionism is decolonization.

Those who oppose the idea of Zionism, oppose to the idea of Jews protecting themselves. Asking why? Why would anyone have an opposing opinion to a group of people protecting themselves? There is only one answer: because it's harder to harm this group of people. If your goal is to harm Jews, then yes, Zionism is definitely an obstacle. Therefore, this whitewashing needs to be obliterated once and for all and laid out:

Antizionism = Antisemitism (JewHate).

As the FreePalestiners like to shout, "well what did you think decolonization would look like?" Well, it looks like this: it's the independence of Jewish people in their ancestral homeland. For those who cannot digest this fact to this day, they call it "Naqba".

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okay this is gonna make me sound callous, but I'm just looking for sourcing and/or a rundown of how the numbers came to be and/or updates in estimates, because

10 years ago, the prevailing numbers for the naqba were 200-500k (which general consensus being ~400 000) displaced arabs from what became israel, of which estimates had 20-50k as direct displacement at gunpoint (like, 'voluntary displacement' is still displacement and arguably the largest cohort of ethnic cleansing, BUT it's one of those nuances in hell kinda things)

and now the numbers I keep seeing is three quarters of a million displaced, of which hundreds of thousands were direct displacement.

What happened since 2014 that the numbers/estimates/consensus doubled?

oh nevermind, found it - the numbers seem to depend on whether the jordanian cohort is included or not. Unclear why palestinian advocacy a decade ago didn't count palestinians in jordan, but those numbers squares the circle, so I'll take that as read.

I used the first and most common numbers cited on Wikipedia to just establish a baseline. But as far as I remember, and you can check hero-israel because he made some good comprehensive posts about the Nakba, a common consensus among the New Historians like Benny Morris and Efraim Karsh was that about 200,000 Palestinian Arabs were violently evicted from their homes. The rest of the 750,000+ Palestinian Arabs cannot in good faith be said to have been "forced out" by any Jewish troops. The 750,000 number is the most commonly agreed upon one, and most historians further agree that this was about half of the Arab population at the time.

And 200,000 is still a lot of people, a horrendous amount of people, to kick out of their homes at gunpoint. That's still a lot of homes and villages, a horrendous amount of homes and villages, that were abandoned, damaged, destroyed, and even resettled by incoming Jewish refugees. These are still crimes and still a stain on Israeli history.

I'd absolutely still call this an act of ethnic cleansing. It's less certain how many Arabs fled because of intimidation or the so-called "psychological warfare" that Jewish troops used. But the fear of potential violence caused hundreds of thousands more to flee. And since 150,000 Armenians fled Artsakh under similar fears even if not directly forced out by Azerbaijani soldiers... we still call this ethnic cleansing. So this group of Arabs is a little fuzzy.

I'd say the only group of people that Israel is not responsible for their leaving is the Arab elites who fled early in the civil war, and this group in turn shares in the responsibility of the majority of the Arabs who fled. Because their sudden departure destabilized Arab communities and generated more panic and uncertainty. Other Arab leaders who promised the people they could return after they conquered and crushed Israel bear responsibility too. Israel bears sole responsibility for that aforementioned 200,000 group.

But again, putting numbers in context and saying "actually Israel didn't do the maximum harm you preach, and let's acknowledge the significant harm it did still do," is taken as "I'm glad Palestinian Arabs were cleansed from the land and I wish Bibi would finish the job." There's a distinct lack of nuance or tolerance for it.