#Marinette stan salt

[broadwaycutie16]

What are your thoughts of the Heinousness Retcon section of the Karmic Backlash TV Tropes page?

I think that it’s a sign that salters will try to use any loopholes to make Adrien look worse than Marinette no matter what she does. I didn’t “retcon” Marinette’s actions from the original story, I simply offered a different way of looking at them. But salters will do anything to convince the world that Marinette is a perfect victim of everything that happens to her and everything she does is completely justified even when she destroys lives.

[red-balloon12]

Alya isn’t a flawless character. None of them are. But the ratio between actual criticisms and bullshit takes that people pulled from their ass is crazy. When I criticize Marinette, I make sure it’s based on shit that actually happened. Not a dumb hypothetical.

the fact that simply criticizing marinette for actually doing something wrong causes people to act like you're saying she should die in a fire but alya being violently mischaracterized is met with mostly silence is deeply frustrating. there is a lot of people criticizing marinette for stupid reasons, but this isn't one of them.

Yeah. Like there's definitely some that feel like they're going too far, but the criticism towards her for lying to Adrien (and to everyone else, but given the particular things she's lying about, lying to Adrien is the most egregious.)

With Marinette there IS some criticism towards her for her lies that I think is uncharitable, but even the more extreme criticism isn't generally crazy, and is derived from actual reality. It's not the kind of violent mischaracterization which is inflicted on Alya. There's disagreement surrounding Marinette's motives for her actions and how much she should be held accountable or blamed for the negative side effects of them, but even most of the people I've seen who are really angry at her and have lost all faith in her as a character and at the writers, still are generally operating off of things she's factually done. That's an improvement over the "Alya will shun Marinette because Lila told her to" (didn't happen), "and will start hurling verbal abuse at her due to Lila's lies" (didn't happen) "and even become the ringleader of the class in physically punching, pinching, slapping, or otherwise hurting her and destroying her things" (DEFINITELY didn't happen) nonsense which is somehow still proliferating.

Some takes on Marinette's behavior are uncharitable, but the fandom as a whole is at least operating based on reality.

[theluckiestlb]

girl...WHEN??? WHERE????

what are you talking about???? when you kept him isolated for 14 years??? when you robbed him of bodily autonomy???? when you exposed him to his mother's corpse to akumatize him, TWICE????

wait, wait—OH you mean when he was terrified for his life, literally begging you to stop after you beat him up. my bad.

no? OH, you mean when you forced him to leave the country and the love of his life.

Huh.

[familyagrestefanblog]

Daddycop analysis: How Marinette viewed Adrinette when it came to FATE

I don't get around to make a better structured post, but the one thing that actually intrigues me in it's 'bothersomeness' about Marinette's drama in "Daddycop" (and one for which I'm very curious if it'll be the same in the French original cause it might just be a case of English Dub dialogue changes) is the way the episode just leaves it pretty much unresolved that Marinette, while sobbing about how her happiness is forever ruined, was out here blaming all of that on Adrien not changing his mind on having the date TOMORROW (so its not like she was denied anything, the point literally was that she gets both her date and her girls night fully instead of half-assing both at the same time. So Adrien rescheduled the date to the next day. This happened for HER benefit) while acting like SHE had nothing to do with the date not having happened.

"You all agreed to it [Adrien coming, though they didn't actually know cause she tiptoed around saying anything useful cause she didn't wanted to be told "no"], but it looks like it didn't change his mind, and now everything is ruined [puts her head on the table]"

Like, girl, that's a crazy victim-complex on display right here. Omfg.

In a situation where Marinette thinks having the 100th kiss this evening is the only way that'll cosmically seal their happiness, and not having it will cosmically doom everything and she'll apparently never know happiness again,

Girl sure showed NO self-awareness that the reason why Adrien explicitly said "no" several times was because SHE forgot the plans she already made with her friends, as well as not realizing that she nuked any normal chance for him to change his mind by keeping on insisting on him attending without listening to what he's saying (which she continued doing):

But for Marinette, that didn't matter. In her eyes, there was nothing SHE could have possibly done that could result in her being anything but innocent in their relationship ending up being cosmically doomed. Only ADRIEN can be wrong in the case of this specific evening deciding their fate as couple. Not her. Not even for a single SECOND, her.

And on a VERY important note:

She also doesn't think that withholding the knowledge of this cosmic event from Adrien is unfair or a factor in itself that could POSSIBLY be what's upsetting fate. Only SHE deserves information and is unquestionably MEANT to have it, while ADRIEN has to unrealistically bend over backwards and submit to her will to prove that he will bring her eternal happiness and without getting to know the context either.

Funny how that is perfectly in line with the constant conflict now going on even after the season 5 finale. ADRIEN (or everyone else) has to prove that Marinette will be given eternal happiness, care, consideration, and will be catered to almost no matter what because that's still pretty much all her anxiety is canonically about, like in s4 and 5.

And that's the thing that gets me in this. That Marinette, until the akuma battle, fully blamed everyone else BUT herself for everything, with the sobbing on the table scene summarizing it:

"You all agreed to it [Adrien coming, though they didn't actually know cause she tiptoed around saying anything useful cause she didn't wanted to be told "no"], but it looks like it didn't change his mind, and now everything is ruined [puts her head on the table]"

If Marinette's anxiety and trauma actually were manifesting the way her fans/ stans make it out to be, then Marinette's instinctive reaction here would have been crying about and damning her own forgetfulness and lack of focus for ruining her chance of happiness.

But that's not what's happening in Daddycop. Marinette only ever blames ADRIEN and SHE is only the victim. In her eyes, this cosmic event was at its core about HER and no one else.

She doesn't desperately try to let Adrien know that there is an important cosmic event going on - that she's aware of and he isn't -and that it could doom their future if they don't save their love TOGETHER.

And she doesn't try any plan like calling him during girls night because she "forgot" to buy something important, but knows HE has it at home, too, so could he please come over at a certain time and bring it along? Where she then could kiss him at the right time.

Still questionable in method, but I'd get the vision due to her acknowledging that SHE is the reason the date didn't happen in the first place. There would be something here to hold onto.

But Marinette in the actual episode does NON of that.

Marinette is sobbing on the table about how ADRIEN not changing his mind, for no reason in his eyes, ruined everything and SHE is nothing but the blameless and broken victim due to HIS actions.

She fully judged Adrien in his worth as her true love and their whole relationship and future on whether she's getting everything she wants without having to communicate what's important, what's going on, and WHY. And, again, it says so much about her in this that she only judges HIM for not magically making up for HER lack of focus, inflexibility, and forgetfulness getting in between fate's plans for them. She's never once judging herself, ONLY HIM.

And I need you to not write that off for a second because PLEASE put into perspective how Marinette would have treated Adrien the next day in school if it hadn't been for the akuma battle having cleared her mind.

I don't care if you don't wanna hear it, but Marinette wrote off their entire relationship and Adrien as the right partner for her because "he didn't prove it by changing his mind to magically only exist in the perfect way to validate her spiraling that she never communicates".

If it hadn't been for the akuma battle and the other girls going after Sabrina, Marinette not only would have mentally already broken up with Adrien, but she (based on her more than consistent characterization) also would have at first kept her distance from Adrien in silence the next day, only to eventually reveal that she's blaming him for breaking her heart by neglecting and dismissing her efforts to spend time with him and how that showed her that they are not meant to be and there is no hope for them.

Which, btw, sure would have put Adrien seeing THIS face, after not letting her have her way ONE TIME, in an even nastier context because it was already a red flag he handled with alot of patience and consideration for her anxiety and "squirks" (which makes it even worse that she proceeds to blame him for everything):

Worst case scenario, Adrien would have had every single friend turned against him. But even in the best case scenario, Adrien would need to practically beg on his knees for Marinette to PLEASE believe him that telling her "no, we'll date tomorrow" doesn't mean she isn't the love of his life and he will do ANYTHING to prove to her that he will make up for the pain she experienced because he didn't "consider her anxiety enough".

Quite realistically speaking, Marinette would have not been fully convinced by that and Alya and the girls might have even have to eventually figure out that Marinette's bs is rooted in some cosmic fate thing her mother told her about, so they would need to involve Sabine who would then need to hold her daughter's hand, explain to her that fate isnt real, and beg Marinette to let her abused and orphaned boyfriend take care of her and worship her again.

Like, THAT was the set-up situation we fortunately dodged like a bullet. But for way too long, THAT was where the situation was leading to as the full narrative scale of Marinette blaming Adrien and only viewing herself as the victim.

But the worst thing about this is that her blaming Adrien is the one thing the message of the episode kinda sweeps under the rug again and gives no satisfying ending to. For the whole girls squad plot, the episode at least has her properly acknowledge that she sidelined her friends for her boyfriend and didn't pay attention to anything or anyone else in front of her again:

"[...] and I, too, want to apologize. Ive been focusing so much on my relationship with Adrien that... I forgot to give my attention to the ones that really need it (Sabrina). I promise, I'll be more attentive from now on *hugs Sabrina*"

(Let's ignore for a sec that the show had Marinette say that her freshly orphaned and abused boyfriend apparently DOESN'T actually need more of her special attention. What a 'charming' lesson after Illustrhater and Sublimation that only came to be now because Marinette was told "no" one time. As if Adrien not wanting to date ONE EVENING, when he didnt wanted to because he knew she would ignore her friends for it so he wants to date tomorrow, somehow means he doesn't need special consideration anymore the way she gets because thats normal in a relationship. No wonder she almost killed him one episode later lol Trying not to do that would have required more special attention and consideration than the whole custody situation already asked of her. I guess that's the lesson here, huh? lol)

But the lesson in the end also explicitly states that Marinette learned that her focusing so much on Adrien was the thing she did wrong. Meaning, what was "wrong" is still entirely Adrien-associated in Marinette's head.

"I forgot something! *kisses Adrien* 100! I wanted to save it for our special evening, but.. in the end.. I realized that we don't need a conjunction or fireworks to love each other"

And towards Adrien she says that she learned that they don't need these special things she planned to love each other (side note: would he even know what she randomly means by conjunction? WE and Marinette know what this refers to, but Adrien has no context for it)

Only that all of that doesn't acknowledge how Marinette unfairly put all blame on Adrien when she thought fate was real and you just have to hope in good faith that Marinette truly got her mind out of the gutter somewhere off-screen since yesterday.

Cause her just saying "but.. in the end.. I realized that we don't need a conjunction or fireworks to love each other"" isn't actually clarifying that, when contextually all she may as well be saying here is "I'm so glad I realized that you aren't the bad guy who's all alone to blame for ruining our relationship and my happiness forever🥹"

Like, you get what I'm saying, right?

She stopped blaming Adrien in the end and didn't act like him saying "no, please wait one day", one time, equaled him breaking her heart and breaking up with her, because she cleared her head during an akuma fight and a friend crisis which made her realized that the whole cosmic thing wasn't happening in the first place.

And not because she realized that even IF the cosmic fate event had been real, then ADRIEN wouldn't have been the one in the wrong anyway because SHE was the whole reason, in numerous ways, for why he said "no".

There is a difference here that the episode was not willing to actually clarify because the end scene would play out exactly the same even if it were only "Marinette letting Adrien 'off the hook' because she realized that the cosmic event not being real now makes HER the guilty one. Hence why she looks sheepish and apologetic".

But that tells us nothing about how this would have ended if she still were convinced fate was real. The episode, seemingly, just suddenly had her drop that belief during or after the akuma battle. Definitely nowhere near on-screen and explained. So the end scene, contextually, does not correspond to all the Adrinette set up we saw. Those are two very different circumstances.

During the set up, she thought fate is real. During the end scene, she already let go of that belief since yesterday. And that's a pretty significant thing to sweep under the rug again regarding Marinette's consistent characterizations. Cause this IS fully in character for her to do and it's only made worse by Miraculous often implying, or sometimes even outright SAYING, that fate, destiny and even LUCK are real cosmic forces that run their universe. You know, for example the way Tikki herself made a lucky charm specifically for a renounced MARIBUG in the second half of "Kwamis Choice" and the universe fucking maneuvered that Lucky Charm right into Marinette's arms all by itself? Yeah. That counts. And its only one of countless of times they do stuff like this and it's always consistent writing wise.

So what does it say about our main character that they just dropped this point without clarifying whether she actually got her head out of the gutter? Cause that's all they did: they dropped it in favor of making it all about the girls squad message. The end scene doesn't prove shit and the writing went out of its way to leave it like that.

I dont wanna say that I'm having faith in the long-term writing, but I am saying that I'm sick of not treating this show like the well-planned product the writers demand it to be. Not my fault or problem when the product doesnt hold up what we're being told. In that case, I just have more proof that they COULD be telling a cohesive and interesting story, they just refuse to.

[potatounicoorn]

Alya is so much better than me, because if I found out my bff is protecting a terrorist? A terrorist that has specifically attacked and targeted my loved ones? Who also was an abusive father to a good friend of mine and also said bff's boyfriend? A terrorist that is now being worshipped by everyone because of your bestie? Yeah, I would have tattletaled immediately.

[ilikekidsshows]

Idk why are y'all acting like Marinette stans are the only desperate ones when the Adrien and Chloe stans from Reddit and especially YT are blaming all of their bad behaviors, including almost killing people, on Marinette and for reasons such "Marinette didn't pay enough attention on them !". Like y'all already have enough stannies to counteract Marinette's stannies with their foolishness regardless of what you believe.

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So you agree that the tumblr side of the fandom is one-sided in Marinette's favor? Because it sounds like your argument is that tumblr being so overrun with Marinette stanning is some kind of equilibrium because other platforms are more willing to let people criticize her, but that's not how anything works. We're not on Reddit or Youtube, so what they get up to is irrelevant.

Also, like, even if it was relevant, I've been hearing about these legendary Marinette salters on Reddit/YT for years, but I've never seen them outside of some video essayists, who also tend to have more nuanced takes than "all the other characters' flaws are Marinette's fault" that you describe. I've never seen or heard anyone say that ever, but I have seen Marinette stans claim her actions that she made of her own free will are the fault of other people plenty of times.

Basically, it doesn't matter how desperate any other stans get on other platforms, tumblr’s Marinette stans have them beat by a large margin.

[theprinceandthewitch]

So... Adrien got new powers specifically because they wanted a way to free him from his kill switch...

Which I would be down for - IF, AND ONLY IF, Adrien was actually intended to have a character arc AND he got his power-up as a reward for standing up to Gabriel.

"But, there's no way Gabriel isn't coming back -"

Look... the emotional impact of Adrien's character arc died with Gabriel. The season 5 finale was the perfect moment to complete Adrien's character arc. But that's the thing: this show doesn't see Adrien as a character. He doesn't get an arc, because he is just supposed to be Marinette's pretty little Ken doll.

Even if Gabriel comes back and they actually try to give Adrien something substantial... it's too little too late. The perfect moment to do something for Adrien is gone forever. And you know... no one should have to wait ten years for the main character's love interest to get an arc.

[I'm not sure why people think Miraculous Ladybug is a good romance show when the showrunner and writers have consistently made it apparent that they dislike romance.]

[miraculouscriticismshub]

I've noticed something in the MLB fandom which is that a lot of Chloe stans (not all of them) seem to dislike/hate Felix while a lot of Felix stans (not all of them) seem to dislike/hate Chloe which is interesting because Felix and Chloe are really similar and have some things in common.

I've noticed that too. From what I've seen in the fandom , is that you either Stan one or the other or you hate both. From my observations :

People who stan Chloe but dislike Felix seem to mostly be Chloe Stans and some Adrien stans

People who stan Felix but dislike Chloe seem to be mostly Felix stans with some Nathalie/Gabriel/Kagami fans

People who dislike both Characters seem to be mostly Marinette Stans and some Zoe stans as well.

Tbh , I DON'T blame Marinette stans for hating both Felix and Chloe as both have been nasty to Marinette in the past. I also can understand why some Chloe stans resent Felix because they have been told time and time again by the show that Chloe is undeserving of redemption for not repenting for any of her crimes yet in S5 we witnessed Felix pretty much get away with everything he did between Strike Back and Emotion and got to keep his miraculous and join the hero team despite being 10x worse and not apologising once. That will get anyone angry. What does confuse me is some of the Chloe disliking Felix stans that don't admit the double standard. Some Chloe disliking Felix stans do admit the double standards going on but the ones who don't puzzle me? What has Chloe ever done to Felix ? They are quite similar like you said so it's interesting some people dislike Chloe for the same reasons they like Felix for ?

[theerurishipper]

https://www.tumblr.com/jacquesthepigeon/731353272698486784/you-know-it-must-be-said-as-someone-whos-only?source=share

Of course this is said from someone who has never seen the show. God forbid folks favorite character, is THE SECOND MAIN CHARACTER AND IN THE TITLE OF THE SHOW.

God forbid abuse survivors find Adrichat’s story relatable and react negatively to people who salt on him for, checks notes, being a rich white boy? Because being rich and white protects you from abuse lol okay

Someone go tell Kesha that the horrific abuse she endured for years doesn’t count because she’s rich and white.

Someone go tell Britney Spears and Amanda Bynes that they deserve their conservatorships because they’re too volitile and emotional and need someone else to control their entire lives. Also they’re rich and white so they should be thankful for their privilege.

Also as a fandom veteran, I’m also baffled that this anon says they’ve never seen fandom go this feral over a white boy so I guess the whole Superwholock thing doesn’t exist in this person’s universe. I’m getting war flashbacks…

I really hope this doesn't come off as rude, but I just have a small request for any anons in the future: if y'all want me to comment on someone else's post, please send it in a separate ask. I just don't want to post someone else's post and start an argument or something.

That being said, I do agree. My detailed thoughts under the cut.

"Adrien stans are white people who get unhinged over a white boy," say the Marinette stans and Marinette stan observers, not realizing that they espouse disgusting abuse apologism on a daily basis and victim blame a character who is a victim of abuse for being traumatized all because he made a few decisions that weren't about Marinette and her well-being alone.

This is ridiculous on so many levels. First the assumption that all Adrien stans are white people. Second, the assumption that we must be Adrien stans because he's a white boy and we don't care about POC characters as much as we do the white ones. Which is actually quite insulting to me.

Maybe these people should actually read what Adrien stans have to say. Maybe they should actually understand why we love Adrien so much. Maybe they should understand why we get so heated over him.

Know what? I'll tell you why. It's because Adrien is despite the writers' best efforts to undermine him an interesting and likeable character. He is a canonical abuse victim, and he struggles with his self-worth and his identity, which is a relatable story to many people. He's an entertaining and interesting character. He's the deuteragonist of the damn show. People are bound to love him. There's more to him than being a white boy and it's very insulting to imply that people obsess over him because he's white or because his fans are white.

And about how Adrien stans get "unhinged" about Adrien and not about other characters... we're literally Adrien stans. Which means Adrien is our favorite character. Naturally, we're going to talk more about him. This is basic common sense. I don't understand the problem here with liking Adrien more than other characters. Are we not allowed to have faves anymore?

And you know why Adrien stans get "unhinged" over him? Because the show treats him badly! Why shouldn't we get mad that a character whom we love is being treated poorly by the writers? Why can't we get heated about that? Marinette stans get heated about their fave being victimized by the narrative all the time, so why is it a crime if Adrien stans get upset if Adrien gets the same treatment? Adrien's story in the show ended with him being reduced to an object and a prop for his girlfriend so that she could side with his abuser and start controlling him instead. Why can't we get angry at that?

Marinette stans will talk about how both Adrien and Marinette are written badly but only Marinette gets criticized and how that's racist and shit, and will ignore the fact that our criticism has nothing to do with race and everything to do with Marinette siding with Gabriel to lie to an abuse victim, and how the show frames this as correct. We criticize Marinette because she's making an awful mistake and doing bad things! This is like, the worst strawman I have ever seen. At some point, it really feels like they are being willfully ignorant.

And about how Adrien stans treat other characters, riddle me this. Who has a proper tag dedicated to bashing them on AO3? Who was the character who was salted on so much when Syren aired? Who was the character being raked over the coals when Chameleon aired? Who was the character who was salted on in Season 4 for breaking a damn fucking chimney? Who was the character whose struggles in Season 4 were overlooked by Marinette stans who criticized him for "being entitled to Ladybug?" Who was the character who was relentlessly salted on whenever he did anything that didn't completely attend to Marinette's needs? Who is the character who was labelled a "sexual harasser?" Who is the character on whom these "fans" rain down their victim blaming and abuse apologia? Who is the character who has the longest history of being salted and bashed by the Marinette stans?

And I will laugh at the audacity of Marinette stans to argue in favor of POC characters and blame Adrien stans for "obsessing over a white boy while not giving the same treatment to characters of color" while their legacy includes salting Alya for not being Marinette's perfect emotional support BFF. Who has their own salt tag apart from Adrien on AO3? Alya does. It's laughable to me that Marinette stans harp on about how Adrien stans prefer the white boy over the POC characters when they spent the better part of the last few years bashing Alya and even devolved into outright racism against her. To say nothing of how they treated Kagami after Frozer dropped.

And these people accuse Adrien stans of showing preferential treatment to white characters? Marinette stans have no leg to stand on when it comes to calling out other people's treatment of POC characters. And I'm not saying that the anon or OP of the post are racist or that they personally contributed to this. But if they are going to make sweeping statements about Adrien stans accusing all of us of going unhinged over a white boy and treating POC characters unfairly, they should maybe take a look inwards at their own community.

Marinette stans have spent years bashing every other character for the smallest perceived slight. Marinette stans created a whole new genre of Miraculous fanfiction dedicated to propping up Marinette like their personal goddess and punishing other characters for not being her devoted slaves. Marinette stans have contributed greatly to the racism in this fandom. Look at all this and tell me: who really seems unhinged here?

So yeah. Ice cold take imo. Also, obligatory disclaimer: Not all Marinette stans are like this! Most of them are nice and sweet, but there are also plenty of bad apples who have been responsible for a lot of toxicity in this fandom.

Thank you for your ask!

[booksrbetterthanpeople]

More Favoritism stuff, cuz… I fucking love this au. Also, the person who sent in the first ask, sent in another one where two gay punks get the Ladybug and Black Cat Miraculous, so expect to see that soon

Now, let’s just throw around a few incorrect quotes

Marc: *About to go into battle as Mariquita* I know you're a little worried about me. Look, I'm not gonna lie to you. We've never gone into a fight like this, and I don't know what's gonna happen. But you don't have to worry. I will make it back. I love you, man.

*Kiran hugs Marc*

Lila: Aaw.

*Marc then turns around in shock to see Lila, who has heard his every word*

Lila: Are you talking to your baby brother?

Marc: No!… Shut up!

Lila: That's adorable!

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Mariquita: And where have you been?

Bomb Shell: Nowhere?

Mariquita: How did you get so hurt?

Bomb Shell: Oh, that. Well, uh, we were...

Vulpix: Hit...

Viperion: By a...

CapriKid: Bus?

Queen Bee: *whispers to CapriKid* Hit by a bus?!

CapriKid: Well, what was I supposed to say, meteor, cow, flying building?!

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Lila: *To the student body* Okay, yeah. I've got an apology. So, I have this friend who took pity on me as the new student this year. And I convinced him that it would be fun to mess up Marinette Dupain-Cheng’s life. So I pretended to be friends with Marinette, and then he would come to my house after and we would just laugh about all the dumb stuff Marinette said. And we gave these candy bar things that would make her break out, and then we turned her best friends against her because, oh yeah! She has her crush’s entire schedule in her room, which is creepy. And then... Oh yeah, Marc- you know my friend Marc? The mastermind got Adrien, Marinette’s obsession, to see the light and separate himself from her. Oh, God, and we gave her foot cream instead of face wash! God! I am so sorry Marinette. Really, I don't know why I did this. I guess it's probably because I've got a big crush on a guy who’s not even into you! Suck on that! AY-YI-YI-YI-YI-YI!

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Marinette: Can I just say that we don't have a clique problem at this school? And some of us shouldn't have to take this workshop because some of us are just victims in this situation.

Mme. Mendeleiev: … Raise your hand if you have ever been personally victimized by Marinette Dupain-Cheng? *she watches all students and teachers raise hands*

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Marc: Marinette Dupain-Cheng... How do I begin to explain Marinette Dupain-Cheng?

Jean: Marinette Dupain-Cheng is a blackmailer.

Denise: I hear she’s got dirt on all of her classmates and they don’t know it.

Lacey: I hear she’s stalking Adrien now.

Ismael: Her room is lined with photos of him.

Simon: One time, I caught her kissing a wax statue of him at the museum.

Mireille: And she threatened me not to say anything.

Cosette: One time she punched me in the face... So I kicked her ass. It was awesome.

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Marinette: I'm sorry that people are so jealous of me... but I can't help it that I'm popular.

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Marinette: Why were you talking to Marc Anciel?

Nathaniel: Well, I mean-

Marinette: He’s so pathetic. Let me tell you something about Marc Anciel. We super close back in middle school. I know, right? It's so embarrassing. I don't even... Whatever. So then in eighth grade, I started going out with my first boyfriend Gerard who was totally gorgeous and obsessed with me, and Marc was like, weirdly jealous. Like, if I would blow him off to hang out with Gerard, he’s be like, "When can we hang out?" And I'd be like, "Why are you so obsessed with us?" So then, for my birthday party, which I invited Gerard to, I was like, "Marc, I can't invite you, because I think you're in love with Gerard." I mean I couldn't have that at my party. There would be so much drama. I mean, right? Of course, everyone caught on, and saw him only as a homewrecker, because, duh, he is. And then he dropped out of school because no one would talk to him after, and he came back in the fall for lycee, his hair was messed up and he was totally weird, and now I guess he's on crack.

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Adrien: Marinette seems... sweet!

Marc: Marinette Dupain-Cheng is not sweet! She's a scum-sucking demon queen, she ruined my life!

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Okay, now headcanons!

Marc occasionally gets revenge on Marinette by cutting holes into her jeans, leggings, and shorts

After Marinette tarnished Lila’s reputation by claiming she got Akumatized because she was jealous of her liking Adrien, Marc seized the opportunity to adopt her

Marc: Hey, when you’re done crying over the school’s cult leader shunning you, I wanna restyle your hair.

Lila: … Why are you talking to me? Aren’t you worried about her highness sending them after you?

Marc: Honey, we’ve been bitter enemies the minute she was born. She can do or say whatever the hell she wants. Now, let me do your hair. I’m not a fan of the three ponytails.

Lila: Fine, go ahead. *Marc starts undoing her ponytails* … You do know you’re in the girls bathroom, right?

Marc: Screw gender, you needed help.

They spend their days avoiding Marinette and her classmates at all costs, reading under the stairs on in the basement, and doing each others nails

Lila has considered switching classes, but she doesn’t want to give Marinette the satisfaction

Marc’s closed off from his classmates in this au. He doesn’t know if he can trust them or not, and they don’t talk to him

Whenever they try to make conversation, he gives one worded answers and then walks away

Marinette has blackmail on all of her classmates, and they’re none the wiser. One person thinks everyone else loves her and they go along with it because they don’t want to be shunned and harassed like the outcasts by the rest of the school

It’s mob mentality. She popular and supposedly nice, so people go along with everything she says, and becuase she has connections with celebrities

The moment Nathaniel behind hanging out with Marc and Lila after Marc refused to make an Adrinette comic with him, Marinette made sure to let everyone know about his anger issues, causing him to be avoided by almost half the student body while the rest just try to provoke him

Well, that all ends when Marc defends him

Marc: Oh, Louis. Do I need to tell a certain someone I caught you making out with another certain someone in the school basement?

Louis: Y-you wouldn’t!

Marc: … Try me, bitch. *Louis runs away* That’s what I thought.

Nathaniel: … Thanks-

Marc: Don’t talk to me. *Leaves*

For that Carrie au, Marc’s not bullied as badly as 80s Carrie (because it’s not the 80s where teenagers had knives and could shiv you at any moment and slaughtered pigs), but it’s common to find graffiti on his locker and for some people to steal his belongings

Marc discovers his telekinesis when he inadvertently causes a cup of water to spill all over Marinette after she threw a crumpled up napkin at him

He gets his small dose of payback by tripping a few of his tormentors from other classes, making phones short circuit, and tying some shoelaces together

But enough about that, let’s talk about Malice- Marc’s akuma form in the Favoritism au, and the catty name everyone likes to call him at school

Grimm Reaper going through a punk phase, still has a scythe, can teleport similarly to Oni-Chan, and when people are slashed by his scythe, the worst parts of themselves are revealed

Imagine just these glowing hazes emerging from you, taking your form, and blurting out every awful thing you’ve ever done

Malice’s overall look is a hooded asymmetrical black jacket with a chain belt, torn black pants, and fingerless black gloves. The hood covers his face, showing only his narrowed glowing green eyes and wide smile. (That’s all most people ever see Marc as, just this malevolent person who enjoys the misery of others. But when you pull the hood down, there are cracks on his face, his eyes are dull with black streaks running down like tears, and the smile is gone)

[dizzying-waves]

One of my worst fears as a Marinette fan is people thinking just because I like her means I must be an Adrien and Alya salter, when I actually HATE the salt the latter two get.

[marikocent]

Not mutual just rbing marinette slander in favor of soqueline in my dashboard NOOO (I think they didn't read it fully so i hope) but half of the post that i read was so??? 90% delusional headcanons while shading marinette and devaluing her and saying soqueline who was onscreen for like 5 minutes is the "true parallel" to adrien. ?????

Also making a gotcha on marinette for european features when she is a victim of whitewashing??? and blaming marinette stans for racism on soqueline like what???? The fandom has been misogynistic for years. All the female character in this show has gotten hate. Plus the fandom has been blatantly racist hating on Alya and Nino especially Alya in season 4 and guess who hated Alya having spotlight (*Adrien stans* cough*) where is this energy???? Heck then I can say Alya is the true parallel for marinette and this actually holds more importance

Kagami was hated because people self inserted with Adrien and it got racist and misogynistic real fast

You guys are genuinely so misogynistic and obsessed with hating on a 14 year old girl please get some real job

[gameguy20100]

I suspect that Chloe stans are so enraged by "Derision" episode just EXISTING, because it reminded rest of fandom that their "claims" that "Marinette has happy life [so it's fine that Chloe bullies her]" as just blatant lies

That's always been a blatant lie.

Yeah, Marinette has good parents and a healthy home life. So?

Marinette has multiple other things that make her life unpleasant.

School.

Anxiety.

Responsibility of being ladybug.

Puberty.

The fact being a teenager sucks in general.

Plus, she's an only child. She could easily feel bad about that.

There's other ways to be troubled than being another batman rip off.

[purrincess-chat]

People in this fandom really be like "Oh no we're not salting on Adrienette/Marinette, we're coming up with worst-case scenarios just for fun and then expecting them to happen in canon. The fact that we're the same people who used to whine about canon "killing off ladynoir" for months and that the funny break-up/cheating scenarios are always about Adrienette is just a coincidence, it's totally unrelated, no no you don't understand, it's different. We don't want Adrienette to break up for real, nobody wants it, but a breakup would be beneficial for them, so we'll be holding our breath.". ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

As someone who was both around for the great Chameleon salt wars as well as a participant in them, at least the salters back then could admit that we were salty and owned up to it. We called shit writing way back then and people were like "no, the writing is great you guys are just so picky and don't understand the show" and now that canon has done something they don't like they're doing the same shit but insisting they're different and better 😂 like nah, babes, yall are salty. Say it with your chest.

And like I'm not immensely pleased with the ending of s5, but Adrinette is not what went wrong last season. Adrinette was one of the only good parts of the latter half of s5. I still hold that their development in s5 was good, and I appreciate how they handled their relationship with going slow and building trust and understanding. Everything that happened with Gabriel that whole season is what was wrong with s5. But we don't see anyone talking about that shit. Everything is Adrinettes fault, or more specifically, Marinette's fault, and she needs to be punished and get dumped by the boy of her dreams so she can run into his arms again in a cat suit for comfort. That's not likely to fuck either of them up when a reveal happens. How could it? 🤡

Point blank, if yall are actively rooting for an Adrinette breakup solely bc you want LN to get together or want Marinette to be punished for keeping secrets, yall are salty. Own it.

[kqmagicgirl]

“As class rep it’s Marinette’s job to talk to teachers if someone in class falls behind (even if she doesn’t like that person).”

A class rep is responsible to represent the class to the student body gov’t, but it’s mostly paperwork. Canon examples of that responsibility in the show were to organize things for that sock puppet movie they made for the New York special, as well as organize those documents to get the students set up in their next school.

So no, it’s not Marinette’s job at all to police cheating.

Chloe didn’t tell anyone she was cheating. She had Sabrina do all of her work and miss Bustier had no idea until literally 20 seconds before the screenshotted moment above. At very near to the end of the school year.

So why hold Marinette to a standard that the teacher in the class isn’t being held to?

It’s not the class rep’s responsibility to assign tutors or to be that tutor when someone’s falling behind.

it is literally the teacher’s job. The teacher gets paid to do this. Not to let the students fragrantly cheat for the entire year without so much as a call to her parents.

Offering tutoring or monitoring grades are responsibilities of the teacher.

“You’d think that with the power that comes with the role, the writers would’ve had her speak up sooner and call Chloé out on her laziness to the teachers in earlier seasons.”

Yes, Marinette knows that she cheats. It was made canon in the “Evilustrator” episode.

But she’s been taught that Chloe doesn’t face consequences for her actions. So telling Bustier would’ve A) Been antagonizing the class bully thereby raising the chances of an akuma coming at her and B) Even if she wanted to roll those dice there was no guarantee her word was enough. 2 against 1 and all that. (Because Sabrina would lie) also C) Clearly Bustier didn’t want to hold Chloe accountable.

I don’t know about other countries but where I come from tutoring services have to be requested by either the student or the guardian of that student. And unless the school provides this as a service to its student, they need to pay the tutor for their time.

And since Chloe clearly had no interest in learning in the first place. There was never a point to begin with, it would’ve wasted everyone’s time and meant there was one less tutor available to someone who was actually interested in learning.

“And if Marinette had too much to do, they should’ve have her simply stepped down and pass the responsibility to someone else she trusts”

In canon, you see occasional accounts of Marinette flaking out. skipping school to be ladybug in emergencies, sometimes just unintentionally oversleeping.

And yet.

Her grades are good. In fact that one episode where Lila framed Marinette only worked because her grade on the test was good. In Gamer 2.0. It’s clear she’s got a lot of responsibility. But also, that she’s getting a lot of stuff done.

So, it’s not so much responsibility that her class rep responsibilities are suffering. It’s just A LOT of responsibility.

There’s never been a scene where Bustier had to chase her down for class rep work. Besides even if that had happened, Alya was her running mate. Whatever Marinette couldn’t do alone Alya would be there to help her with.

“I know Astruc meant this scene to be yet another Condemnation of Chloe, but it also ends up highlighting Marinette’s shortcomings in her role as class representative and her blatant favoritism”

Favoritism requires that the preferential treatment of one group comes at the expense of another.

So to suggest that Marinette favors the rest of her class at the expense of Chloe would mean that Chloe was being deprived in some way.

But see the thing is, Marinette doesn’t deprive Chloe. She acts as a check to keep her in balance.

Chloe uses Sabrina to lock Juleka in a bathroom stall to keep her out of the class photo, Marinette arranges for group photos to be taken out of fairness for Juleka.

Chloe bullies Mylene out of her role in the student film, Marinette gets Chloe away so she stops slowing down production and tries to get Mylene back to the part she earned.

Chloe uses a poster of Adrien she tricked him into signing to imply that they’re together, magical ladybugs don’t repair the damage to fix the poster. (Probably not consciously but maybe)

And yet, I can also toss out a lot of examples of Marinette trying to be patient with Chloe.

Maledictator

Zombizou

Antibug

Chloe’s problem is not that Marinette is unfair to her, Chloe’s problem is that Marinette feels strongly that Chloe should be treated fairly.

She should be expected to do the same amount of school work as everyone if she wants the good grades.

She should accept the consequences if she breaks the rules.

But Bustier is trying to give Chloe preferential treatment at the expense of all Marinette’s classmates who did do all of that work without cheating.

Y’know, as a real example of favoritism.

“There was no reason to make Marinette (who’s supposed to be the “better role model”) so nasty and condescending.”

This is the important part.

Around the time season 5 was in production, there was a ramp up in bullying in France.

Real life kids, dealing with real life bullies. And hearing the advice “Be better then your bullies”

And if you’ve ever been bullied. You know it’s not enough.

The whole “Be better than Chloe” speech by Bustier probably had good intentions. Be your best self despite the haters and all that.

The problem is that what was actually taught was “Be your best self, because you’re responsible for teaching your bully how to behave.”

I cannot think of a scarier thing to try to teach to a kid.

They use a lot of season 5 to address this scary message and to show why it’s OK, not to protect your bully. They address the difference between kindness and enabling.

Marinette and Adrien address how he unintentionally put this same kind of pressure on her.

The reason this was story line was given so much screen time, so much attention was because Astruc wanted to use his show to give actual kids the life skills to know when enough is enough.

To not feel trapped by your own sense of goodness.

And to not feel like you’re in the wrong for not making your bullies feel better about the terrible things they’ve done to you.

It’s so scarily easy to teach kids to forgive unrepentant abuse. So it doesn’t surprise me why they took this much time to make it right.

“Astruc really needs to get this feud he has with a fictional teenage girl he created and wrote to be like that go and focus on the story.”

Guys.

For real.

The Chloe redemption arc was a fake out. It got built up and thrown out all in the same season. So it was always the plan, it was never a sudden pivot the writers had to do. It’s just not happening. It was never happening.

Astruc doesn’t have a feud.

He has a story that he gets to write. And if he’s decided that the second tier villain in his show is the living embodiment of power harrasment and entitlement.

Then he gets to do that. It’s his show.

I know Lila said this to cause conflict, but she’s oddly right. As class rep it’s Marinette’s job to talk to teachers if someone in class falls behind (even if she doesn’t like that person).

You’d think that with the power that comes with the role, the writers would’ve had her speak up sooner and call Chloé out on her laziness to the teachers in earlier seasons. And if Marinette has too much to do, they should’ve have her simply stepped down and pass the responsibility to someone else she trusts.

I know that Astruc meant this scene to be yet another condemnation of Chloé, but it also ends up highlighting Marinette’s shortcomings in her role as class representative and her blatant favouritism when it comes to reaching out to people. There was no reason to make Marinette (who’s supposed to be the “better role model”) sound so nasty and condescending. At this point in the story, Chloé shouldn’t even be a blip on her radar. Marinette has bigger issues to deal with, and a middle school mean girl is not one of them.

Astruc really needs to let this feud he has with a fictional teenage girl he created and wrote to be like that go and focus on the story.

[booksrbetterthanpeople]

Hello, I want to ask what are the science kids & the Austins worst experiences with Marinette or Ladybug were? Like it could be mixed of both, I’m just wondering.

Okay! *cracks knuckles* Let’s fucking do this!

Simon:

Asked by her many many many times to help her get some video footage of Adrien. He would’ve said yes, but Marinette asked for him to do it in secret

Uh… Illegal? And when they said no, she snapped and sent him dozens of photos she took of Adrien in secret before storming off… He’s an accomplice now.

Reshma:

Alienated simply because she was rich and Marinette saw a photo of her in a magazine with Chloé for some charity gala, and immediately assumed the worst

Marinette spread a rumor back when they were twelve that she and Chloé are friends, making it hard for Reshma to make any friends for herself

Denise:

Reprimanded by Ladybug in front of dozens of people for “vigilantism” when really, they just punched an Akuma before it could attack Simon

When they commissioned a dress, Marinette explained that she didn’t quite have enough fabric for Denise’s build, even when Denise made serval offers to pay double. She didn’t wanna “waste” fabric. (I’ll give some of ya’ll a moment to think about what that means)

Jean:

Pressured into giving up the lead role in a play to Adrien so Marinette could kiss him

He got Akumatized because of that, and received a harsh lecture for Ladybug over forgiveness or some shit, and Marinette never apologized to him

Ismael:

Marinette: “No offense, and not to be rude, but your current look is kinda butch. I get your wanna- I mean, your are a guy, but you could stand to look a little more presentable. And remember, there’s no shame in having a feminine touch to your clothes.”

She’s one of those aggressively accepting people who goes on about how “Ismael, you should be a model! You look so good! I can make you tons of binders, and I’ll donate the money to transgender charities!”

Marc:

He wore ONE magenta skirt to school and now Marinette keeps trying to get him to wear more traditionally feminine clothing and be her model for an “inclusive line”. And when he was Rooster Bold, Ladybug kept trying to get him to transform into an outfit more like Pigella’s

Marinette keeps giving him terrible advice for dating Nathaniel, even going so far as to suggest he should stalk him

Cosette:

Promised dozens of times to help them study for a big test, but NEVER kept them. Cosette managed to get a good grade on their own, but there Marinette is taking the credit for “helping them study” and soaking up the praise

And Cosette is just like: Uh, bitch? You didn’t do jackshit.

Lacey:

While doing parkour around Paris, she was interrupted by a sudden Akuma attack. As she was sprinting back home, Ladybug swooped in out of nowhere and knocked them off the side of a building. Lacey was horribly injured and Ladybug didn’t do shit to help her back up, Chat Noir did

And when the Cure took effect, instead of asking if she was alright, Ladybug had the gall to reprimand her and Chat in front dozens od people for their “recklessness”, and Lacey was forced to take some shitty seminar of safety and shit even though she’s gone through all the regulations of what she can and can’t do

Zoé:

Unwillingly dragged into the cringe Adrinette plans despite her constantly saying no, only to be met with some clear gaslighting from Marinette

When she told Marinette about how she was bullied at school, this girl made it all about herself and talked about how she was constantly bullied by Chloé until Zoé faked being sick and left… Then Marinette texted her the rest of her story when she got home

Aurore:

Aurore has a habit of correcting people, not to be rude, just so they don’t make the mistake again. When Ladybug was having a hard time figuring out what to do with her Lucky Charm, and her method would have put lives in danger, Aurore rushed in and used the Lucky Charm in a way that wouldn’t have risked the lives of probably dozens

And although Aurore received praise from the citizens for her quick thinking, Ladybug was pissed, scolded Aurore for behaving so recklessly without a Miraculous, and told everyone to never follow her example. This public scene got Aurore suspended from being the weather girl for a while until some protesters backed her up

Mireille:

When Marinette heard she was going to a party with Adrien thanks to her dad’s connections, she kept trying to “coerce” Mireille into making her her plus-one. But Mireille said no dozens of time and in a fit of jealousy, Marinette moved the “wet floor” sign and Mireille tripped and fell on the floor, allowing Marinette to steal her ticket

While on bed rest, Mireille turned the tv on and saw Marinette in a pink evening dress holding Adrien’s hand and going on about how Mireille was so nice to give up her ticket to her since she couldn’t go

Austin A:

As revenge for a bad review on her website, Marinette stole his makeup bag and swapped out his face cream for something Austin’s allergic to. So, when Austin used it, his skin broke out in hives and he had to go to the hospital

When he returned to school, he heard Marinette going on to her friends about how he deserved what happened. The worst part of this is that the bad review was warranted. The scarf he commissioned unraveled easily

Austin B:

He decided to try out for the Mecha Strike tournament because Max was out sick and wouldn’t be able to compete. He won, and gets to play alongside Adrien. But, then! Marinette swoops in and steals his position

Then she rubs it in his face in private, telling him the school doesn’t need “another Chloé” representing them

Austin Q:

Saw him walking his brother home while he was in his headspace, made a show that she was concerned about him of all people being the one to care for Félice, causing Félice to have a panic attack that she accused Austin of causing

Saw him buying a shark plushie at a toy store and took a picture, which she sent to everyone, and Austin was too mortified to leave his own home

Austin T

During a school bake sale, more customers were going to his booth instead of hers, she got jealous and made backhanded compliments about how “his pastries are so good that Austins clearly enjoys them himself” (Give y’all a moment to think about what she meant)

When Ladybug came fo the school as a guest speaker to speak about abuse, she used Austin and Jean as an example when talking about dating violence, implying that Austin is an emotional abuser and questioning why Jean wears so many long-sleeve shirts

*Later*

Aurore: So, we’re in agreement. Marinette needs to be stopped, expelled, and then arrested.

Austin T: And Ladybug needs to turn in her Miraculous to someone who’s not a total b-word.

Denise: For sure. That girl just expects me to sit by and let my friends get hurt so she can do her stupid Cure in the very end? Nope! I’m getting real sick of that bitch!

Austin A: So… What’s the plan?

Everyone: …

Simon: Honestly, I don’t have one. Okay, both of them have too much influence, they know celebrities, and a bunch of fans to back them up… Huh. Saying it out loud, Marinette and Ladybug are kinda similar.

Jean: … Oh, hell no.

Cosette: Nope. No, you stop thinking that, Jean.

Jean: Too late.

Austin B: Well, if you look at the facts, it makes sense. Plus, it’s not a coincidence we’ve been screwed over by those two in the worst possible ways.

Aurore: True. But, Marinette will just pull the “poor me” card and say her actions were from the stress of being Ladybug.

Marc: … Fuck it. Fuck any photo consent laws. We follow Marinette during an Akuma attack, take a video of her transforming and post it on an untraceable anonymous account. She’s forced to give up her Miraculous to someone WAY more competent, and that takes care of one problem. While she’s getting the martyr treatment, we expose Marinette for the person she truly is in and out of the mask. She loses everything, and we win.

Everyone: …

Ismael: Marc… I am so proud of you! You devious little Angel! Let’s do this! Are you people ready?!

Reshma: So ready.

Austin Q: I was born to do this!

Cosette: LET’S BURN THAT BITCH TO THE GROUND!

Oops. I dropped these. Enjoy!

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