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Amy was also Harley Quinn at some point so this still works.

A poison Ivy x Wonder woman comic page got my brain doing flips, adding 2 + 2 and consequently making me draw this.

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CLICKED THE WRONG OPTION-

I've been a little inspired by a different fandom I'm in for this, but after writing up a post about the lack of femslash in the Sonic fandom earlier, might as well do a sort of preliminary interest check, so...

*could be pretty much anything! Edits, analyses, cosplay, just something to engage with theme of the week!

I'll have to probably do a second interest check later to decide dates, if it seems like a good idea, and then I'll probably sort some prompts and whatnot!

I'd appreciate it if this was reblogged to reach a wider audience, but no pressure! :)

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Bro the way so many of these pictures are taken out of context or paused the EXACT moment she’s frowning. I know for a fact that the one on the top right is her smiling but it’s taken JUST before she does smile. Holy-

Chaggie antis will always be the most unserious people I’ve ever seen. They’ll call Chaggie toxic but then ship Charlie with Alastor, which would actually be a toxic relationship. 😭

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Hazbin Hotel fandom on a nutshell:

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Adam is one of those mfs that would say he could “fix” Vaggie and turn her straight/bi.

omg have you seen that one theory people have that back in Heaven, Adam had a crush or something on Vaggie/tried to hit on her and that’s why lute hates her? It makes sense but it also doesn’t. 🥴

And I agree with the whole “hard to see it as platonic” thing bc there’s this guy on Twitter who ships his oc with Charlie (and sometimes Loona) and he has this polycule of him and Ch*ggie going on where he’s only dating Charlie/Charlie’s dating him and Vaggie, and he’s even caught (deserved in my opinion) flak for doing commissions of his oc making out with Vaggie. Like………I can’t see that kind of stuff as platonic. It’s just not possible (and so out of character bc why would Charlie even suggest that she wants a second partner????)

I can see why it wouldn't. I dont think Adam hitting on Vaggie is all that impossible. I doubt that would be why Lute hates her tho bcuz I think Adam would hit on any conscious woman that he thinks is hot, and I'm not sure Lute could have the energy to hate all those women. She didn't seem to give a shit when Adam recounted one of his escapades. It's definitely something else. I dont really buy into the they were exes headcanon, but Lute's hatred for Vaggie sure is someone else.

Ok so. Self-shipping is a little different bcuz at least these people know that it's entirely self-indulgent with no chance of being canon. Those content are meant for them and them alone. But it's not my thing and never will be. I can't even ship myself with any character I like bcuz my desire to keep things in character is more powerful than any amount of simping.

... That's all I'll say about that matter. Really, to each their own.

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Didn’t need my dry face anyways…..fuck-

Ok we definitely needed to make a video of them with this song ❤️

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I also realize that Vaggie is very much missing an eye so the fact that people are dogging on her for getting scrapped in the fight is lowkey kinda ableist-

Ok I need to get this off my chest: people need to stop hating on my girl for her final performance against Lute. Vaggie has been out of practice for 3.5 YEARS (42 months), during which she lost her depth perception and wings and hid her identity, which definitely limited her ability to train (not even accounting for the psychological torment and phantom pains). Meanwhile Lute has been living her best life in heaven, likely training every day to keep her position and fully intact.

She has one month to prepare and learn some basic self defense. Now mind you, training montages are hilarious because after the first week if you’re doing it right you probably can barely move out of soreness XD (the ONLY accurate portrayal I’ve seen was on Galavant, which everyone should watch - it’s a medieval musical with a similar tone to HH). I’ll cover more on her and Carmilla separately.

Then Lute proceeds to watch the entire final battle while Vaggie is busy killing at least four angels by my count. When they fly up to Adam and Lute, she immediately sucker stabs Dazzle, dropping them hundreds of feet and disarming Vaggie in the process.

Despite all of this, Vaggie is able to stop a full force sword charge directly at her eye bare handed. She deflects several more vicious blows, using tools in her environment to help (shard of glass, radio). Yes she is losing. She is unarmed and see above… also unused to fighting with long hair even pulled up XD (as an aside, I absolutely LOVE how Carmilla pulls her hair down the moment Vaggie complains when training lol).

She gets a few more face cuts while we watch Charlie stab Adam, and ends up on the ground reaching for her weapon, which Lute uses to stab her hand before stupidly leaving it while gloating. Yes, Lute could (and should) have ended her here. I have a few separate theories on why that did not happen (later post). But regardless of the reasoning, Lute’s hubris left Vaggie alive enough to goad her second wind by mentioning Charlie. And Vaggie was SMARTER (and ultimately more spirited).

Now the tables have turned but Vaggie spared Lute, more out of spite than kindness but ultimately because of Charlie. Lute only has her left arm pinned; she should have stopped the spear but basically asked for death. This is also deserving of it’s own analysis but I think all angels hate themselves :(

Vaggie leaves and when she no longer has her undivided attention, Lute is irate enough to rip off her arm and pin her. Vaggie isn’t fighting at this point, she’s trying to get to Charlie but was sucker punched/tackled. Pretty understandable imho… interesting theories that Lute may have ironically saved Vaggie’s life here. I love her but she’s not stronger than Adam :( I’ll keep these Yuri headcannons to myself for now XD

Ironically, I think this may end very badly for Vaggie and Chaggie (if Lute kills anyone I will kill everyone and then myself), especially after Adam’s death. We haven’t even seen Vaggie cry but Lute now has. The same girl who just pulled her own arm off in sheer rage (seriously what’s up with her brute strength XD).

But ultimately, while I don’t feel comfortable saying Vaggie properly won this fight, she did a damn good job with what she had available and people need to stop hating on this character! Lute definitely did not win. And I’m REALLY hoping for a proper rematch because given Lute’s HATRED, she clearly feels at least challenged by Vaggie, one of Adam’s “best girls” who likely had at least Lute’s 275 kills annually… AND/OR she was dumped right before Vaggie’s last extermination and all the yuri 😍🥰😘😇🤣

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S2 is still goated in my eyes and I actually find myself enjoying some of S3 even though that’s arguably where things started to really go down hill.

A friend started watching Miraculous a couple of weeks ago; he was curious, and I accidentally sold it by spoiling him S5's finale. "Oh! I really enjoy the twist when the bad guy wins!" he said... I swear I tried to save him!

Anyway, he went through the honeymoon phase with S1 and S2. Now that he has watched half of S3 (btw, in our country, both Disney+ and Netflix DO NOT have the episodes in order, save for each season's 1st one and the finales), he went on a rant on Kwamibuster saying "c'mon! So, Marinette can hold all the trinkets without any consequence, why they do that?! Is a nice stand alone chapter, but there is no great consequence!" I just told him "welcome to the fandom!" and he went "OMG! I turned to the dark side!"

He still has Gabriel on a 8.5/10 scale, since he finds saving his wife as a noble if twisted reason to turn villian. Though he doesn't understand why Gabriel found Lila useful at the end of Oni-chan. I... don't have the heart to tell him about Chat Blanc nor Gabriel's later actions.

Were S1 and S2 really the best of Miraculous? I remember enjoying S3, but now hearing his fresh pov, I'm starting to have my doubts about when it all went to worse.

I was also relatively late coming to the fandom, so I got to see seasons one to three all in one go. I watched them over a series of a few weeks and my memory of that process is this: I thought season one was mediocre with a handful of truly bad episodes, but the premise was a lot of fun and had real potential. I started reading fanfiction after watching the few episodes because I love identity shenanigan romances and I wanted to see people tell this one without being held back by the show's format and intended audience. This is probably the only reason I finished season one. I didn't like the show so much as I thought it was good enough to watch so I could fully understand the fanfic.

Origins is where my opinion changed. It was legitimately good and even felt like a soft reboot for Alya, Adrien, and Chloe. I thought this indicated that the first season had done really well and so the show had been cleared to have a true overarching plot and serialized elements in the coming seasons.

Season two initially seemed to back that up with the Chloe stuff and Marinette meeting Fu, but then Queen Bee happened. That's the moment when I realized the show was never going to live up to its potential. It was incredibly disappointing to see Chloe go from finding the bee to revealing herself on national television within a few minutes. That is the least interesting way you could possibly play her finding the bee. I have referred to this choice as the canary in the coal mine before and I stand by that. If they couldn't handle something as tried and true as a mean girl redemption or do something interesting with Chloe finding the bee, then we were not in for a good time.

The introduction of Carapace just further confirmed that read. Nino wasn't carefully chosen for his miraculous. He was just in the right place at the right time and got the best miraculous for the situation. Chloe getting the bee felt more fitting and she wasn't even chosen for it! She just got to keep using it for some reason even though identity reveals were supposed to get you benched. It was weird and was also another warning sign of things to come. Identity reveals and their consequences would just become more and more confusing as the show went on.

While all of these things were disappointing, I don't fault anyone for being willing to keep watching because it wasn't all bad. Season two showed us that the show was going to suck from a long-form perspective, but it could deliver solid short-form content. Your friend put it really well:

It's a nice stand alone chapter, but there is no great consequence!

The early seasons of Miraculous had a lot of fun standalone chapters that had no greater consequence. Disappointing for those who wanted a serious story, but you don't need to tell a serious story to be good. If the show had stuck to a more lighthearted tone and just put out disjointed, but fun mini-stories, then it would have been fine. Not amazing, but serviceable. An endless series of writing prompts that don't really fit together, but that allow for a ton of fun fan content as people pick and choose which episodes to play with. I would have still had issues with some of those episodes, but because they didn't actually connect, I would have just shrugged and focused on the stuff that was fun. In fact, that's what I was doing for the first four seasons! There's a reason this blog didn't exist until mid season five even though I've had issues with the show since season one.

For example, does Chat Blanc technically ruin the love square by establishing that Adrien's love for Marinette isn't strong enough to keep him from killing her? Sure, but when it was just a random what-if episode, I could ignore it as one-off bad writing. Season four then chose to have Chat Blanc show up in Marinette's nightmare and also featured Marinette promoting Alya instead of Chat Noir, leading me to assume that Marinette was keeping Chat Noir at arms because of Chat Blanc. This changed how I viewed Chat Blanc. That episode suddenly mattered to the entire show and wasn't a one-off thing I could ignore.

The official word is that Chat Blanc had nothing to do with the season four conflict, but that's really not clear in the actual text to the point where I almost want to call BS. Why did you give Marinette a Chat Blanc nightmare if he doesn't matter to her mental state? That makes no sense!

Even if we embrace that official word, Chat Blanc is still not a one-off episode. It apparently haunts Adrien and kept him from the season five final even though Adrien never actually learned about Chat Blanc, which is frankly even more damning than my initial read of season four. It's now super official that Adrien's love for Marinette isn't enough to save the day and I'm not interested in a show that's sticking to that choice and repeating it ad nauseum (Chat Blanc, Ephemeral, and the season five ending). The one-off bad episode has now poisoned the entire show and it's not the only episode that did this.

We've reached a point where there are multiple choices haunting the show, making it so that there really aren't any more fun standalone chapters. Even if season six is written more like those early seasons, are any of us going to be able to enjoy love square hijinks when we're also waiting to see if Adrien will ever learn the truth of sentistatus or his father's death? And what about the knowledge that love will probably never win? It's hard to forget that, especially as more and more people learn the love square's secret identities, endlessly cheapening that reveal. Combined that with them maintaining the statue quo of Marinette being unable to act normal around Adrien and it's hard to picture season six being anything like a good time.

While I can't picture it, maybe you can! Seasons one to four all had episodes I enjoyed even though I was aware of the large scale flaws. Season five is the one that ruined that for me because, while there is no real overarching plot for the season, there was enough connective tissue that no episode felt like it truly stood alone no matter what the writers say. That connective tissue made the problems impossible to ignore and, now that my brain is in serialized mode, I can't go back to episodic. The season five cliffhanger of the lies is also too serious a point for me to mostly ignore it like I did with the other bad cliffhangers. The lies aren't just a dumb plot point, they're an incredibly serious character beat that I can't overlook. Every time the love square is on screen, I'm going to feel a little sick because I know canon isn't going to give this massive betrayal proper weight.

There's also retroactive rot at work here. Because the show has serialized elements, the more the show poisons its plot and characters, the more the rot creeps backwards, ruining the early stuff to the point where the flaws feel glaring. Knowing Chloe's ultimate fate makes it hard to enjoy her early canon writing. Knowing that Ladybug will fight Gabriel alone makes it hard to enjoy Ladynoir's big "you and me against the world" moments. Knowing that Gabriel will eventually win makes it hard to enjoy more moments than I can count.

So, to answer you question:

Were S1 and S2 really the best of Miraculous?

I'd say that the first four seasons all have good standalone episodes and even some good setups that would just never pay off. Season three and four just feel worse than the first two because that's when it started to become really clear that those payoffs would never come since the show had to finally own that fact with things like Chloe "damnation arc" and the lack of consequences for the mass identity reveal.

They also have more setups than the first two seasons and those probably stand out in your mind as being bad. That's how bad writing tends to work when that writing issues are more structural than scene-based. The longer the story goes, the more the cracks in the foundation show. The writing is rarely getting actively worse, there's just enough of it to properly show just how bad it is.

I do think season five was worse than any of the others, but only because the episodes had that awkward thing where they were try to be both episodic and serialized, really highlighting how bad the show was at long-form content. It wasn't so much that the writing got worse as it was that the show focused on the writing style that highlights its flaws. Season six going back to more truly episodic story telling may make it work for some people even if they hated season five. Only time will tell.

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Hell yeah! NJ is friendlier than NY!

Friendliest States 2025 based in the Politeness Index

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It’s giving “Concept/Pilot vs Final Product/Season One” lol

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HE CAN’T KNOW YOU FUCKS WITH YT EGO SHIT-

teaching my friend how tumblr works so that they can post an LFG is the weirdest experience I've ever had

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TW: Eye Strain, Blood

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Bro…what ships are you looking at?? All of my Saphhic ships have that symbolism and layers-

(Spoilers for Ace Attorny, The Owl House, Litte Witch and She-Ra below)

For instance- Franmaya from Ace Attorney. In the game, they barely talk to each other. But in practice/in theory they reflect just as much off of each other as Narumitsu. Franziska and Maya both have expectations put on one another by their family name. They both had to grow up really fast and at some point, they both had their parents taken away from them.

But while Franziska turned cold and strived to get perfect revenge, Maya stayed bubbly and positive despite everything that has happened to her. They balance each out. They fill in for each other’s strengths and weaknesses. If they had more time together we could have seen these parallels better.

We have Lumity from The Owl House- They started out as rivals but quickly became friends. I’ve heard people call them boring which is a shame and pretty bad faith. Amity js blessed with born magic while Luz has to adapt. But they share the same literature taste and the smililar humor. Luz is light in Spanish. Luz is literally Amity’s light because Luz pushed Amity to defy her parents (specifically her mom) when they wanted to control her life.

Diakko (Littlw Witch Academia). These guys walked so Lumity could run. Akko, similar to Luz, has little magical capabilities while Diana is a born witch. But it’s revealed that by both loved the same witch idol and they went to the same magic show, only for them to both get their magic taken away by that idol. Diana, realizing this years later not only hid away her love for the idol but had to work to get her magic back. Akko never realized her magic got taken so she never trained.

This event single handedly set their relationship as a rivalry: Diana thinking Akko’s dream to become like her idol is childish and while Akko thinking Diana is so snobbish thinking her dreams are stupid. It isn’t until very later on that they finally understand one another and start to respect each other and that’s only when Diana has to leave magic school on the whim of her family issues. Fast forward to the end and their literally defeating giant flying amalgamations together on a broom-

And finally: Catradora. The ship that caused heapings of discourse. You got it all with these girls: Enemies to lovers, child hood besties, betrayal, acceptance, and finding one another in the midst of a war. Catra envied the special treatment that Adora got with their mutual caretaker/general Shadow Weaver. But she also loved Adora and wanted things to be them against the world. Adora never knew the double standards SW had. And when Adora was introduce to the outside world, she realized that what she, Catra and the rest of the HORDE were doing was wrong and she wanted to leave. Catra didn’t understand because from her POV the people that taught Adora this are strangers. (Catra nearly ends the world, dude. It’s crazy-)

And this lead to their separation for seasons until the final one where Catra finally sees the light as well but is stuck with the BBEG and so Adora saves her. And at the time Adora’s powers are malfunctioning do you wanna know who’s the one that activated her powers again? CATRA! Out of their mutual belief in one another, the power of love literally saves the day-

My point is….i don’t know what your ships are but i know several other sapphic ships that aren’t just “childhood besties drift apart and then come together” in fact the majority of the ships I know are a lot more complicated than that. So…idk maybe keep searching? I can recommend many more ships if you’d like. And sure, some of the ships I suggested are rivals to lovers but there’s a lot more to them than just that one dynamic.

My main problem with a lot of yuri ships (including the ones I love), especially in the western scene, is how bland they are. With yaoi ships they'll have layers upon layers of meaning and symbolism like "They are Adam and Eve, eachother's nemesis and soul mate. In every life, they'll find eschother and tear eachother to shreds. They reflect the other's weaknesses and insecurities." Meanwhile most yuri is just "They were childhood friends who grew apart. Now they're on somewhat good terms while pining for eachother."

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“Omg they just recycled Lucifer and Charlie’s song! The Chaggie duet is so worthless!”

Me, a music theater collage student: DAMN IT’S AMLOST LIKE THAT’S WHAT THE POINT OF THE MASK IS-

“Charlie and Vaggie’s duet is worthless, since it’s a recycled melody from Charlie and Lucifer’s song”

Almost like… that’s the point. It’s a parallel to show who the most important people in Charlie’s life are. They’re even animated similarly on purpose. 😭

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I can……Somewhat understand Charlie and Alastor (I really don’t like them but I understand) Adam and Charlie is just flipping Vaggie off in multiple ways-

I just found out the same people who continuously call Chaggie AND Vaggie toxic also ship Charlie with ADAM of all characters… the man who constantly belittled her, tried to kill her, called her the most disgusting things, yet they want me to think VAGGIE is toxic.. 😭😭 I can’t take a lot of these shippers seriously at all.

No hate to my friends, if you like the ship but… I’ll never understand it, personally. But if you continually try to paint Vaggie as toxic, while shipping Charlie with Adam, I am going to side eye the hell out of you. Because…

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Chaggie won the tumblr 2024 ship Olympics…..The love for them is very strong-

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It’s like this for so many other fandoms man. I HATE IT! I JUST HATE IT!

when they are a really good sonic artist but they REFUSE to draw amy rose