#Lyanna stark defense squad

[lizzie-queenofmeigas]

From F&B/ASOIAF: Your favorite ship (canon or not)? Your least favorite ship? Your favorite character? Your least favorite character? Which character do you think deserved better?

I have three favourite ships in the asoiaf world:

1_Lyanna Stark and Rhaegar Targaryen

2_Rhaenyra Targaryen and Daemon Targaryen

3_Jon Snow and Daenerys Targaryen

My least favourite ship is Jonsa. Normally I don't care about crackships, but their stans take it too far.

Daenerys Targaryen is my queen, she is mother, she is our lady and saviour who will deliver us from the darkness.

Honestly I think is Sansa, I didn't care for her while reading the books or even watching the show, but her stans made me hate her.

Rhaenyra deserved better.

[themockingpoint]

“Do you really think Lyanna would really allow herself to be raped?”

No. No I do not. Because no one “allows” themself to be raped. That is why it is called rape and not consensual sex!!!

[themockingpoint]

Why would the North burn for Vengeance for Lyanna? They already got their justice. Rhaegar, her kidnapper, is dead. Arthur Dayne, Oswell Whent and Gerald Hightower, her jailers are all dead. To them Justice is served. The people of Dorne are pissed because they never got justice for their princess. I think the comparison is unfair.

(And really Roose “I don’t care if my sons are Murdered by my other son” Bolton is your go to comparison??? That is your beacon of sympathy???)

Dorne burns to avenge Elia so much so that the smallfolk even years later speak of her and her children as people who need justice. Oberyn died to try to bring that justice about, and Dorne burns to avenge him.

Tell me dear RxL shippers and simps, who burns to avenge them? Which region would die for them? Would anyone die to avenge Rhapist? Could you see Roose Bolton dying for Lyanna?

No one in the North cares about Lyanna. EVERYONE in Dorne cares about Elia!

[lawonderlandwriter]

Sansa to Lyanna Mormont: I remember when you were born, my lady. You were named for my aunt Lyanna. It was said she was a great beauty. And I’m sure you will be too.

Daenerys to Sansa: The North is as beautiful as your brother claimed. As are you.

Can’t spot the difference?

Whereas Sansa is offering flattery to Lyanna Mormont in order to gain fighting men for her own cause, Daenerys is the one who is giving the fighting men for Sansa’s and the North’s cause. If either of them has more motivation to be fake and should be accused of being insincere, it’s Sansa because she’s the one who wants something. The only desire Dany could have in her situation is for Sansa and her to get along because they’re going to be working together. 

[alicentflorent]

One thing I can’t understand about some asoiaf fans is that they love lyanna and hate sansa despite the similarities in their stories. What is harder to understand is that they hate Sansa for things that also apply to lyanna. They hate Sansa for falling for Prince Joffrey, who manipulated her, and for going to Cersei because she didn’t want to leave kingslanding which some people say contributed to the death of her father and the stark men which then caused a war but lyanna fell in love with Prince Rhaegar, who manipulated her and ran away with him because she didn’t want to marry Robert which you could say contributed to the deaths of her father and brother which then caused a war. Both girls were kept prisoner while their brothers and people fought in war against a “mad king” but only one often gets blamed for her predicament and apparently “deserves” the abuse and imprisonment she receives because she was manipulated as a child and mistakingly put her trust and faith in the wrong people. I bet that if GRRM went with the original outline for Sansa’s story, where she chooses the Prince over her family, regrets it and dies birthing his child (which parallels lyanna even more!) the hatred would just increase and she’d never be considered a tragic story by fans and looked back on with only love and fondness by her loved ones like lyanna was. Her death would be celebrated by the fandom and because she “had it coming” and “deserved everything she got”.

The Sansa/Lyanna parallels are interesting to analyse because of how differently they are perceived. I’ve seen lyanna branded as a strong woman by the same people who call Sansa weak even after surviving all that she survived. Both girls deserve empathy and the fandom should acknowledge that they were both groomed as children/teens by a westerosi celebrity but seeing Lyanna fans praise and defend her whilst hating Sansa for the same things, despite the fact that we have witnessed Sansa’s character development, is so frustrating and hypocritical. I would love to see them explain they view the characters stories so differently.

The only reasons I can think of is that they see Lyanna as part of their faves, She’s Jon’s mother and basically arya 1.0 in looks and personality and they consider Sansa to be “the enemy of their faves” or they romanticise lyanna (and maybe even her “relationship” with rhaegar) because she died young and they view her as martyr not a complex human being, the same way that people in the story (Ned, Robert etc) do whereas we are seeing Sansa’s story and flaws play out in the books and she’s still here she survived and survivors arent as easy to romanticise.

[seijuroraizel]

Hello everyone!

Blood of The Dragon, the third chapter!

Finally after so much time, I know. It has been over nine months.. sorry for that. I planned to post this chapter after posting Disney's second chapter. But after being called out for my laziness from Silversong203 and some negotiations in with @jupiterix , we reached a deal, the last chapter of "Make A Wish, Take A Chance, Make A change", (anyone who didn't read that fic, what are you waiting for?! Go read it!) for a chapter of Blood. And although she add a fourth chapter for Make a Wish -which means she didn't post the last chapter- that gave me some time until she complete the fic, but here I'm posting this chapter anyway ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I hope you like this chapter!

[megsarts]

The woman is important too...

[qveenofthorns]

I’ve been seeing a lot of this too and it makes me sick. There’s a crack theory that she and Rhaegar conspired together to kill Elia because Lyanna is a psychopath who wanted the prince all to herself and that that’s the real reason she didn’t want to be with Robert. I asked for canon facts backing up that theory and was told that it made more sense than Lyanna being a victim because reasons? She was literally a child when they met and he was the crown prince. Saying no wasn’t really an option due to the power imbalance. Even if she did agree to go with him, I have an extremely hard time believing she was actually okay with what was happening given her reasons for not wanting to be with Robert. The fact that he hid her in such an isolated place where she couldn’t contact anyone also raises some pretty big red flags. It’s also a very bad sign that the men guarding her were prepared to kill Ned and his men before letting him in to see his dying sister.

In the show, they do try to portray Lyanna and Rhaegar as some great love story but they seriously aged Lyanna up and doesn’t make sense given what we know from the books (the show isn’t canon, imo). Unless we ever get Lyanna’s POV on what happened, no one can convince me she wasn’t kidnapped and raped.

What happened to Elia Martell is horrible and makes me sick, but it’s possible to love and support Elia without saying that Lyanna deserved to have her skull smashed in by Gregor. Elia and Lyanna are BOTH Rhaegar’s victims and they both deserved better.

What’s with all the Lyanna Stark hate I’m seeing lately? Where are people getting the idea that she and Rhaegar deserve equal blame for the rebellion and what happened to Elia and her kids? Is it from the show? Because I haven’t watched the last four seasons, but idk how anyone could get that idea from the books (besides plain old-fashioned misogyny ofc)

[beclynn-herondale]

Hey fellow rhaegar targaryen, lyanna stark, jon snow, Daenerys targaryen, house targaryen, rhaegar targaryen x lyanna stark, jonerys, fans and shippers and stans and lovers if I make a discord for them would you all feel more comfortable talking there or on here just curious cause I would like to discuss with you all but I know tumblr can be a hard place to talk about this stuff. So just let me know.

[jeaingrey]

favorite character: *breathes*

me:

[disneyprincessbuffyannesummers]

heirs and spares and how jon will be a good king ...,

so i’m finally doing my post on the line of the targaryen succession. YAY! Anyway, here I go doing my best to explain how a line of succession works. So the Targaryen fans can shut up about D being THE RIGHTFUL HEIR. 

So, here we go. 

So, I’ll admit, I love history. I fucking love it. I love learning about the past. But I mostly love England in the Middle Ages.

If you’ve followed by blog for awhile you understand I love The Wars Of The Roses or as it’s also called The Cousins wars. Anyway, as I read more & more about that time period, and I look these kind of posts and see people not understanding the politics of the past.

I've heard some mention that Aerys disinherited Rhaegar during the rebellion. Is it true and canon? If so then Jon is not a rightful heir. - Anon To nightqueendany’s ask blog

her answer:

It’s all debatable. But essentially, yes. When Rhaegar died, Aerys made Viserys his heir, not Aegon. And Viserys made Dany his heir, as evidenced by giving her the title of “Princess of Dragonstone” which is the title that goes to the heir.

So yes, according to the books, Dany is the rightful heir and Jon is just…around. - From this ask

Now, Dany or even Viserys have never been the rightful heirs to the Iron Throne. If anything they are spares. If Jon dies without issue (aka children), then Viserys gets the Throne (since he is older and male), but if Viserys dies without issue (aka children), then Dany gets the Throne. Does make that clear?

If anything when Rhaegar had gotten Lyanna pregnant with Jon, Lyanna became pregnant with the rightful heir to the Iron Throne if Aerys or Rhaegar were to die (since Rhaenys & Aegon were bastards at this point), he would’ve been king.

And I did see anon say that Aerys took Rhaegar’s title as rightful heir. But is that true? Does that hold water in canon? We don’t know. I mean maybe if you get a POV of someone who was at that meeting then it will be canon. But for now it’s a theory.

Now onto Jon is Robb’s heir:

"So you pray. Have you considered your sisters? What of their rights? I agree that the north must not be permitted to pass to the Imp, but what of Arya? By law, she comes after Sansa . . . your own sister, trueborn . . ."

". . . and dead. No one has seen or heard of Arya since they cut Father's head off. Why do you lie to yourself? Arya's gone, the same as Bran and Rickon, and they'll kill Sansa too once the dwarf gets a child from her. Jon is the only brother that remains to me. Should I die without issue, I want him to succeed me as King in the North. I had hoped you would support my choice."

- ASOS CATELYN 5   

Now since Jon has died or is in a coma. He has ended his watch. Once he is brought back, Jon will be Robb’s rightful heir. But we know he’ll give it to Sansa since he tells Stannis; ‘Winterfell belongs to my sister Sansa,’

So basically, Jon has been the rightful heir since birth, end of story.

And I know if you’re a Dany fan and you’re reading this you’re going to want to say this is sexism. PURE SEXISM. Just because Jon is a man. And of course you’ll Dany worked hard for everything she has. Has she?

Dany would rather sit on a ebony bench and hold court and listen to the complaints of the Small Folk than deal with the Harpies. She’d rather bathe in her gardens and her horse than rule. She’d rather ride Drogon than rule.

Dany doesn’t want to rule. She wants to finish her brother’s conquest. If anything, even though Jon doesn’t want to rule, he knows he must, he pushes himself to do it. Even though he’d rather train or play with Ghost or even hunt. He deals with his paperwork, and dealing with Stannis and the Wildings. Despite him not wanting to do that.

That what makes Jon different than his aunt. He works, while she plays queen.

She even says she feels although she is playing queen.

[klaus-hargreeves-enthusiast]

So haha you're not Ned Stark's bastard, you're actually Rhaegar Targaryen's bastard.

[tomakeitbeautifultolive]

Thanks for the Rhaegar love. He's such a vilified character, mostly because he didn't have 20/20 hindsight and people blame him for things that he was not even responsible for. Brandon running to the Red Keep was idiotic. No one could have expected that. Aerys burning the Starks alive is what kicked off the war, not Lyanna and Rhaegar running away. People ignore that. KL was the safest place for the Targs until Aerys made the mistake of trusting Tywin. Rhaegar was already dead. Tired of the hate

You’re welcome, anon! Rhaegar’s vilification is honestly astounding. At surface level, sure, he doesn’t look great. But if you actually read the quotes about him you realize pretty quickly that just about everyone who knew him had a good opinion of him except for his murderer, Robert Baratheon.

Now, I’m also someone who steps up to the plate to defend the honor of Brandon Stark as well… I think he was a good big brother with good intentions, but that no, he should not have gone in front of Aerys. I don’t really know what the right answer was there, in terms of a resolution for all sides, but I do know that Aerys was not it.

BUT THIS, ANON. YES! A THOUSAND TIMES, THIS!:

“Aerys burning the Starks alive is what kicked off the war, not Lyanna and Rhaegar running away”

The people that hate Rhaegar and blame him for literally everything are doing nothing but showing that they don’t have a good grasp of canon, specifically Robert’s Rebellion.

Hell, my grasp of it is not that good when it comes to all the battles that took place and when and where - but I know for damned certain what caused it and how it ended. You’d think if someone is going to argue that Rhaegar murdered his family, they’d at least do a quick google search to confirm he’s not literally dead while their murders take place. You’d think.

What’s funny to me is that Lyanna Stark is vilified so much as well, a girl who didn’t want to get trapped in a marriage with a man she didn’t love, couldn’t understand her, and slept with dozens of women, planting his seed all over the realm…

Whatta bitch! Amirite? After all, look how blissfully happy Cersei was after marrying Robert!

[isavander]

I can believe Rhaegar, my man who loved singing it made others cry and was such a great promise as a heir that people were willing to put up with his father's craziness is witnessing from hell his sister the one who had to suffer for their name (and the risks he took) and actually sustained the weight of it unlike other bitches being treated like this

[yulome17]

💔💔💔

[mellypea77]

Well, well,well...how the fandom winds have changed Little Miss Mormont. Seems you're stiff knees aren't so awesome after all. Sorry Lyanna, you should've know you can't upset the dragon lovers; your sass and rudeness are only acceptable when directed at Sansa.