#Krenim

[stra-tek]

Voyager's Krenim and Prodigy's Loom have something in common - when they attack you, you don't just die, you're erased from history. You never existed, you're not mourned by anyone because you never existed and reality has reshaped itself around you never having been a part of it. That is one awesome concept, I love it.

But...

How does it work? Say Janeway got zapped by the Annorax's big temporal weapon, or gored by one of the Loom. She never existed, right? Think about it: How far back exactly does that go? The moment of conception? Or further back, annihilating Daddy Janeway's sperm and/or Mommy Janeway's ova? And at which point does it destroy them? Does it merely stop them coming into existence, and if so, how? Or does it off her entire family line, and if so, how many generations?

[divinemissem13]

https://archiveofourown.org/works/59859145/chapters/158625856

If you like watching Kathryn self-destruct, this is the chapter for you! Enjoy Day 180!

[spockvarietyhour]

3 different encounters with a border guard "Year of Hell Pt. 1 & 2"

[defconprime]

Krenim from Star Trek Online

[usstrekart]

I give "Year of Hell, part I" (S04E08, Stardate 51268.4)high marks for the big swings it takes. An antagonist with no interest in negotiation, Voyager unaware they are being messed with until the end of the episode, and finally forced to contend with life far away from home without support. Lots to chew on here.

[alphamecha-mkii]

Krenim Warship Concept Art by Rick Sternbach

[celtic-romulan]

So I’m playing the Temporal War missions on Star Trek Online. The main bad guy is this mysterious disfigured “future guy” type of character, manipulating past events to screw up the future. As you finish each mission, Daniels the Temporal Agent from Enterprise becomes more and more disfigured from battle injuries he will sustain in a future fight, while Future Guy’s injuries become less and less. By the time he’s all fixed, it’s revealed that Future Guy is the Krenim NPC Noye from the previous Iconian mission arc.

I had a good laugh because I’ve been watching DBZ Abridged in the meantime, and in the Lord Slug Abridged movie there’s a random scene where the titular character says “Oh god I love this! My skin is so f**king smooth!” after he wishes for eternal youth from Shenlong.

This was probably what Noye was thinking too as the changes in the timeline undid his injuries.

[ignisgalaxia]

Literally just use any species from Voyager except the Kazon because they sucked

I think Star Trek badly needs some new villains. The Klingons are hugely overdone and are more interesting as allies anyways; the Romulans lost their homeworld and shouldn't really be enemies anymore; I'd be extremely disappointed if they just boringly returned the Cardassians to being a military dictatorship; the Dominion are on the other side of the Galaxy; and the Borg Collective is gone except for a Federation-aligned splinter faction. It's time to get some new blood in here.

[tanadrin]

I'm watching season 5 of discovery while I work on this map, and I think my verdict of DIS is that conceptually it is solid Star Trek. It gets Star Trek, like in the abstract. Obviously the last 3 seasons are a lot better than the first two, both because they escape prequel territory and because it just takes a ton of Trek shows two seasons to find the sweet spot. But the writing never really lives up to the ideas. So, so many of the character beats feel completely paint-by-numbers, with painfully generic dialogue, and I find myself mostly skipping over those scenes to get to the high concept SF or the action sequences. The actors really are doing the best they can, and visually it's gorgeous, and it throws out a ton of fun ideas into the Trek universe (though IMO it relies too much on overt callbacks to old Trek, it's not unique in this regard--SNW does this too, it might just be the curse of a long-running franchise). But man. The character writing is frequently not good! The emotional dialogue is frequently not good! And I don't know why; it's not like Star Trek doesn't have this stuff, rich character interaction has been there since TOS and the Bones/Kirk/Spock triad. But even back when you would have, like, Random Character Never Mentioned Before From Someone's Past showing up in an episode only to die horribly, from the older and more episodic Treks, the dialogue around these characters was still more believable and more compelling. And you'd think the more serialized nature of modern Trek would give you more room to build on and use these character dynamics.

I wonder if in part it's the decline of writers' rooms and the spec script market. Maybe something about that shift makes developing good scripts for television, and for genre TV in particular, harder. Part of me thinks it may well be the serialized format, because just like a good high concept sci fi plot often relies on a "hey-wouldn't-it-be-fucked-up-if-this-happened-randomly" idea, so too do a lot of the good character stories in older Trek--when everything has to be tied back in to an ongoing plot and significant character development has to be spread out over 10 episodes, maybe that's harder to do.

I think ultimately I feel about DIS like I feel about Enterprise--don't like prequels, do like some of the ideas, some of the characters are pretty interesting, the character arcs are kind of weak, is too bogged down in referencing other installments in the franchise, needs more Jeffrey Coombs.

[sporkandpringles]

Been thinking a lot lately about how Voyager could have used more recurring characters, but how difficult that is with the fact that Voyager does not stay in the same place for very long, and it's making me think that the Temporal Cold War might have made a better Voyager plot than an ENT one.

[baylardo]

BAYLARDO DOING ASK GAME REAL???????

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🎼 song/music you associate with an aspect of ST

daddy has a whole playlist of the ol' cringe naenaes for voyager but ummmmm any time i listen to this song aka Fade to Black - Les Friction i am transportled to Year of Hell and imagining JANEWAEEEEYYYYEEEYEYEYYYYYYY ❤️

if you listen to the whole song it just has like those LAST STAND type vibes, and i love the last minute of the song around 2:11 and imagining janeway alone, with her crew having abandoned voyager toward the end of the two-parter, and it's this big explosive finish and shes remembering that shes fighting for THEM and its so EPIIIIIIC HAHAHA ALL THOSE LYRICS MAKE ME GO CRAZY WITH INSPIRATION 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[stra-tek]

Genuinely took me a second😂

[divinemissem13]

Year of Hell Day 161!

Or, start at the beginning!

[muiromem]

Okay it wouldn't stop nagging me until I did something.

Left is the original crew image from Star Trek Timelines, right is the edit I made (to the best of my sleep-deprived ability).

Absolutely no hate meant towards the original artist. I just wanted it to look a bit more accurate to the Tom we see on-screen in "Future's End" (because I'm too autistically aware of my blorbos like that).

It's obviously not perfect, and I had to use the head from Krenim Guest Paris (the closest to a Season 3 Tom I could find in-game, with a decent angle). The art styles for Disguised Tom Paris and Krenim Guest Paris were very different too, so I messed around a lot.

Also I had to flip the body, because the original Tom's head is backwards (going by the fact that this image appears to have been used for reference), and because of where the shadows on the new face were.

Anyways I can finally sleep peacefully now ✌️

[defconprime]

Traala from Star Trek Online

[iheartvelma]

Hey nerds. Hey Germans. Hey German nerds.

Buy this Star Trek Eaglemoss miniature of the Krenim Temporal Weapon ship as featured in the Star Trek Voyager two-part episode “Year of Hell.”

Mint, unopened!

Includes magazine, in German.