#Kaos Episode 4

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Starting episode 4 and I am still so upset with Orpheus. I get why he did it I guess but STILL! WHAT THE FUCK! It's worse too knowing Eurydice was pulling back from Orpheus before dying. He better succeed to get her out of the underworld in this I swear to god. The deck is stacked in his favor.

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(via KAOS Episodes 3-5: The Gods Are Douchebags)

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I am genuinely surprised no one is talking about the new Netflix show KAOS. It’s got everything—Greek mythology, literally everyone is gay and serves cunt, there’s a canon trans character who’s central to the story, the humor is sharp and satirical and the plot is genuinely intriguing and of course all the gods are messy and unhinged in the best way possible???? where are all the Greek mythology nerds? Why is this show flying under the radar? why is this show so underrated

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RIDDY & CAENEUS in KAOS 🖤

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THEIR LAUGH 🥹😍

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Dr Kao speaking nothing but the truth 🫡💁🏻

Wandee Goodday, episode 4

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I don't understand why they had Ariadne and Glaucos be siblings and be the main cause of Pasiphae's mental health issues

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Watching Kaos after a tumblr post mentioned it and made me curious and it's crazy how fast I'm loving literally every character

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And we’re back to being spicy! Unlike today’s show which is very vanilla. Today we’re asking the question, is Until We Meet Again worth the hype? Or is it overhyped? What makes it a bad, good, or mediocre show? How close will we get to being kicked out of fandom today? Find out and listen for yourself!

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Fanworks We Loved

In and Korn | Their Story [1x01-1x17]

Dean and Pharm | Their Story [1x01-1x17]

Korn ✘ Intouch | till forever falls apart by evilhagbl

In ✘ Korn ► As The World Caves In▸ Until We Meet Again by DraxLor BL

Ever Seaward Echoes More by @kari-kurofai

ㅡ unknown by @fydramas

UNTIL WE MEET AGAIN | episode thirteen by @thyla

Fluke Looking Pretty by @zhaozi

If you have something’s going on, you need to tell me, got it? By @yohankang

im gonna take a long walk off a really short cliff by @dramawatchinggoblin

winteam + incorrect posts by @consentkingwin

WinTeam living their best life by @ealeczander

i just stole a kiss… by @markpakin

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This week on Dropout: on Tuesday, the season 4 premiere of Dirty Laundry, with guests Rekha Shankar, Jordan Myrick, Sam Reich, and Ify Nwadiwe; on Wednesday, a new Dimension 20: Never Stop Blowing Up; on Thursday, a new Adventuring Party talkback - and a new Smartypants, with speakers Jacquis Neal, Tao Yang, Carlos Luna, and Cynthia Kao; on Friday, the "Get Your Act Together" behind-the-scenes featurette for Dropout Presents: Chris Grace: As Scarlett Johansson and a new episode of Monet's Slumber Party, with guests Isabella Roland, Persephone Valentine, Mikey Angelo, Bob the Drag Queen, Jess Ross, and and Israel Zamora!

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Some tidbits from The On1y One eps 1 and 4.

The scene in episode one where Sheng Wang and Jiang Tian are officially introduced to each other by their parents is actually quite funny.

When children respectfully greet elders they meet for the first time or haven't seen in a while, the elders will respond with guai (乖). It's said to acknowledge their good behavior. iQ's translation of good boy is better than Gaga's behave. Guai can also be used to tell a naughty child to behave, but in this scene, Jiang Tian is obviously being a little shit and purposely misinterpreting Sheng Wang's "call him ge?" as a greeting to an elder and responding with guai. The tone Jiang Tian uses is perfect. It's exactly how we old people say it to kids. 😂

In episode 4, when Gao Tianyang is amazed by Sheng Wang's question answering speed, he says kao (靠), which is actually closer to fuck than iQ's darn it or Gaga's damn.

The pronunciation sounds like cow in English, and a cow is niu (牛) in Mandarin.

Niu is also slang for awesome. So when Gao Tianyang spells out cow and says niu, he is making a pun and saying Sheng Wang is awesome. iQ got the pun part right but messed up the awesome part, and Gaga got the awesome part but left out the pun.

Some background on Sheng Wang's pfp here.

During the fight scene, people watching the series on iQ were confused about who was talking about Sheng Wang's mom because there was no subtitle for what the bully said under his breath. Gaga subtitled it, but only in English. There are no Chinese subs there for some reason.

"Old Ding" (iQ) or "Uncle Ding" (Gaga) = ding lao tou (丁老頭).

This is an example of 丁老頭 😅 The 丁 is the nose.

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Okay here I come with thoughts that I'm not sure many people will be on board with, but I'm gonna share anyway because who cares! Wandee Goodday is doing a fantastic job selling characters who are ridiulous, and many of them are charming. I'm gonna talk about the guy who isn't. Charming that is.

I Think Ter Is In The Closet

And I'm only using bits from episode 4 to demonstrate this. Sorry if you need more to be convinced.

Ter is a strange character because we meet him through Wandee, when he's still up on a pedestal. That image almost immediately gets crumpled and tossed into oncoming traffic to be flattened in a rubbery, Bangkok traffic death. Dee confesses his feelings and Ter insists he's straight. He's straight. He's straight! He likes women, not men. Sorry. To make matters worse, he pulls the asshole move of just asking Dee to leave the scholarship to him.

These men have known each other for eight years. Eight fucking years and this is where things are going? If we know how much of a disaster Dee is, then it really makes me wonder what disaster side of himself Ter has (aside from what we know).

(thinking them gaaayyy thoughts) (also this weirdo doesn't listen to music while working out? no wonder he's the devil)

Ter is recalling the moment when Yak came into the hospital with flowers for Dee, called him tee-rak, and the two of them are looking at each other like. Like That.

Super normal for a hetero dude to focus on that part of his long-term colleague's life. And if he were a huge homophobe, I could understand it being a possible upset, but then he wouldn't be so close to Dee if that were the case. This is Golf Tanwarin we're being led by here.

Our Devil Doctor is pulled out of his train of thought by the appearance of a shirtless Plakao

Guys, I won't lie to you, I yelled NO aloud because for a second I thought he was going to have his come to Jesus with our favorite asexual king, and as an asexual who worships Plakao and how amazing he is, I just wasn't gonna have it!

And the first thing Ter notices? Kao is alone - specifically, he isn't accompanied as usual by his bestie Wandee. So Ter immediately interrupts his workout to question him. Kao responds that Dee's with his boyfriend now, which prompts more questioning about their relationship from Ter.

Yeah, Ter. What's it matter to you?

You turned Wandee away because you're straight. So, obviously that's a no, right? Right?

Not addressing that then. Okay. We'll just hit the skip button for that dialogue option, I guess.

As a tenured colleague and friend, that would be the natural reaction to this. Kao is a wise, wise man, and like many an asexual, he has done the work of figuring himself out while living in an allonormative world (while also recognizing he likes men! I cannot stress enough how beautifully nuanced his okay). From what he understands (and is stating for Ter to ponder), is that this would make sense for someone who doesn't harbor any other kinds of feelings toward Dee and until recently, has been on good terms with him.

But Ter doesn't get to ponder because he gets called away and immediately forced to face Dee happily walking hand in hand with Yak. It's awkward. Dee excuses himself and Yak. And then Ter's eyes foooolloooww.....

And later he gets back to his room with the number of the beast and fondly recalls when Dee used to leave snacks on his door....

(crowd goes awww)

But this guy can't help but notice while he's doing an evening workout -

Hey! There are Dee and Yak again! Being all cute in the pool! It's too coincidental! (He had not considered that his colleague works at the same place and has a similar schedule, therefore all this appropriately timed boyfriendism could only happen within that schedule)

So he has to conclude that it isn't real.

Little does Ter know that it was originally intended for YakDee to be fake boyfriends; that he'd stumbled upon the truth immediately. What he wasn't expecting was for Dee to double down not only to not be caught plotting like that, but because he's way further into his feelings for Yak than he is fully aware of.

I cannot stress how interesting it is so see this man be so obsessed over their relationship. Anyone who would call themselves a close friend or colleague would simply be happy for Dee, maybe warn him about some people who are less accepting if that were an issue, and then continue focusing on whatever it is he's doing for the scholarship. And maybe he does focus on the scholarship - we aren't shown his side of it because it's not important - but if that's true and his secondary focus is theorizing that Dee's relationship is fake? TER? WORSTIE?????

And then this happens!

Now I've seen a lot of people taking this as manipulation and I'm not going to call them wrong. It is exactly that. But I think he's also seeing if maybe he missed a chance? It wasn't that long ago that Dee was reminiscing about the past eight years together and Ter had decided the scholarship was more important than pursuing whatever thing they had between each other. Ter is realizing he doesn't want to throw either of them away, but still has his heart with the money. So he improvises a lame little plea, it's badly executed, and we get sad eyes watching Dee leave.

I would've expected him to curse under his breath, or have some sort of small scale tantrum after that interaction if he was fully planning to manipulate Dee like that. His melancholy here is what has me thinking that it wasn't well thought out, and there's a part of him who cares about his relationship with Dee and wishes it could carry on as it used to.

Ter continues to obsess. We know he'd immediately seen the story Dee posted, and it seems he's returning to it again (knowing social media habits, he's likely checked it several times in between).

CAUGHT.

Kwan, in contrast to Ter, is also Dee's colleague. She finds him and his boxer boyfriend just charming!

This line kills the entire conversation. There's very obvious tension about this subject.

To me this is where Ter has kinda said the quiet part out loud. He's more concerned about his own image. To whom? His family? His patients? Future opportunities? To himself? Not that there's nothing for Dee to be worried about (this is in Thailand where gay marriage is not legal yet, after all), but he has had a good reception of being publicly queer so far. Is that due to his queerness being more pronounced? Has Ter ridden for most of his life on being able to pass as straight because he was afraid of the consequences?

I'm gonna take a hard left for a moment, and then redirect.

There's a scene in the film To Wong Foo, Thanks for Everything, Julie Newmar where a sheriff (who has had an altercation with a drag queen and is looking for her for severely homophobic reasons) sits in a saloon and essentially narrates gay erotica aloud like he's trying to process the concept of homosexuality. He's disturbed about the idea. The people around him are also disturbed by his imaginings. It almost gives the sense that his thoughts come from desire, but he's been taught too much hate about that desire to recognize it.

And this is the moment where I just felt sorry for Ter. It seems like he maybe has some deep-seated denial, and it's being overturned by everything Dee is doing. It doesn't excuse him, but shit's gotta suck. And it's clear his disturbance with the idea of Dee having gotten over any feelings for him will be hard to reckon with on top of deciding how he feels about Dee himself. P'Golf does their antagonistic and confused gays well.

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Wandee Goodday Ep 4 Stray Thoughts

Last week, we got to see Dee and Yak getting mutual pleasure from their current arrangement before Wandee got embarrassed at work and decided to lie and say he had a new boyfriend. Dee asked Yak to be his fake boyfriend, but Yak refused on the grounds that they agreed to not get involved in each other's personal lives and also he didn't want to come out as a boxer. Dee ignored this resistance and then tried to trick Yak into spending time with him to get him to agree. Yak, ever the simp, acquiesced after Dee showed vulnerability. Also, we got more insight into Oyei and Cher, learning that Oyei took on debt during COVID, and Cher comes from a wealthy family. The two are a team and I love them.

Whoa are we opening on a nightmare memory?

Okay, I like this moment. If they're going to be friends with benefits, this is definitely a moment when Yak needed a friend.

Drake's tiddies is out. A gift for me and @happypotato48 and @yankeebastard who is here saying "Hey, Daddy."

Yes, Kao, ask that man direct questions. Now, throw Ter into the pool.

Poor Kwan. Ter seems more concerned with Dee than her.

NOT ROOM 666!!! THE DEVIL! This show said "Don't feel sorry for him. Even the Devil can feel a little bad when he got kicked out of heaven."

This show is so good. We cut beautifully to Yoryak enjoying the same offering Dee had given The Devil.

Very invested in these two talking about their crushes between their own tussles.

We got a new sign! "Be Available But Not For Everyone."

Be careful, Dee. Don't fall in love after telling him to practice confessing.

Interesting. I think Cher knows that Yak has plans beyond boxing and this gym. @yankeebastard thinks it might be a promise Yak made to his mom.

Cher is so gentle and careful with Yak. He lets Yak tell him what he needs to say with such sensitive prodding.

Not Yak getting horny listening to Dee exert himself and remembering their hookups.

The editors are doing a great job with the audio cues this week.

Wow, Taem is clearly a leader of Team Tote Bag.

Hold your ankles? Definitely not the first time Yak has been told that, among other things, I'm sure.

Dee, you gotta sort yourself when it comes to Yak.

I love that Oyei is always trying to get Cher in the shower with him.

Kao jumped up quick at the tea, and is so real for wanting to choke Dee out.

Keeping track of these two almost forgetting themselves and kissing. Excellent gay content.

The Devil is back and he is jealous. I hate this man. He meant it before when he said he didn't like men or Dee. Fuck this guy.

The whole gym is judging them and I love it.

Why wear your gym shirts if you don't want to be seen?

Oyei and Cher judging them together is so important to me.

Very smooth of Cher to just talk them out of the conversation about the parents.

David was correct about the mom.

Yes, scratch his back. I love the use of metaphor on this show.

Poor Kwan. I'm glad she can see through Ter.

I love Kao. Tell your friend is he embarrassing both of you.

Kao said try out my new line of products

Yoryak thought he was outside of the MySpace top 8 and got his feelings hurt.

I really liked the way they handled this HPV PSA. Good job, BL.

That was a solid episode. I like that they're tackling the blurring of the lines in the relationship explicitly, and I like that Dee recognizes that he's jealous. It's interesting having The Devil call out the relationship as fake and be right and wrong. I wanna think about the parents for a bit, because Cher checking that Oyei was okay with Yoryak felt pointed.

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Things Wandee Goodday could have focussed on instead of whatever on earth it's doing:

An exploration on complex familial relationships, especially the trauma and effects of parental abandonment (no I don't accept the one episode speed run as sufficient exploration). Couple this with themes of chosen/non-traditional family units and you have a winner.

An ACTUAL look at how a friends with benefits situation transforms into a romantic relationship and how people might navigate that transition (do you just go for it? Do you create a space to work out what's going to change? How do you know when you're ready?).

Confronting changes in long term goals. Both Yak and Dee entered into their fwb in order to achieve a specific goal (Dee: scholarship, Yak: relationship), it would be way more interesting seeing them work out what to do once they achieve those goals but realising that it's not actually the thing they want any more (or in Dee's case, not the only thing he wants any more).

Dating as an asexual. Kao touched on it briefly but THERE IS SO MUCH TO EXPLORE: the difficulty of finding a partner who can understand your relationship with sex and intimacy, actually understanding your own relationship with sex and intimacy and how you want to navigate things, what an asexual relationship can actually look like and how they can work even while falling outside of the "traditional" relationship mold, LITERALLY EVERYTHING. Instead we get Ter and his redemption arc.

There's definitely a lot more than that but that's all I can think of for now. For the first 3-4 episodes these are all what I thought we were going to get which makes it all the more disappointing because the potential was there, I didn't pull these ideas from thin air they were literally there for the taking.

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RIDDY & CAENEUS in KAOS 🤍

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I LOVE HER SO MUCH 🥹🤏