#riddy and caeneus

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RIDDY & CAENEUS in KAOS 🖤

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THEIR LAUGH 🥹😍

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Reunion

aka how I WANT this show to go, give me them reuniting as a happy couple, give me season 2

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I will defend the relationship between Eurydice/Riddy and Caeneus with my life

I've seen people say they can't understand how they can root for them as a couple when we see Orpheus struggle to save her.

Literally one of the first things we see is that Riddy has lost feelings for Orpheus and doesn't know what to do. Next thing we see her die and somehow are stuck in the underworld. How can you blame her for falling for someone else and call it "cheating" when she is dead and as far as she knows, not really married anymore? And not to mention she was planning to leave her husband the day she died.

It's 100% possible to feel bad for Orpheus while also rooting for Riddy and Caeneus' happiness at the same time.

[amalias-whatsoever]

what the heck was kaos on netflix???

until like the last episode I wasn't sure if I liked it, like fun and smart and all, but I thought I wasn't entirely convinced

and then Orpheus and Riddy see each others again and they leave each others for good because they know it's the best thing to do, because sometimes beautiful things end and it's okay, they still happened you'll move on. and I was SOBBING, like ACTUALLY CRYING MY EYES OUT.

I don't know when I last cried for a TV show.

so yeah it's good I recommend it.

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I have so many thoughts about Hera's characterisation in KAOS, and at first I was really icked out and disappointed by it but now I'm seeing the brilliance of it.

Dumping some first unstructured thoughts here because I really have A LOT but not enough time to get it all down now.

SPOILERS FOR KAOS BELOW

First off, Hera is the goddess of marriage, women, family and protection of women in childbirth. First episode we are confronted with an unhappy marriage: Riddy and Orpheus. She is his muse, he loves her but doesn't truly know her - it's not a union of mutual love anymore. People fall out of love all the time, and marriage isn't always meant to last. Riddy's mother abandoned her at a young age to serve Hera as a tacita, and her tongue was cut out (in an abstract way this can be seen as NOT protecting women even though it is not in childbirth but it is after childbirth and was also witnessed by Riddy as a child).

Riddy's story in the first episode undermines everything Hera stands for, AND her prophecy is the same as Zeus' (!!!).

ALSO in her marriage to Orpheus she is his muse, she is commodified to bolster his career (not dissing Orpheus here, he's a good guy but he has a job and he is using her as inspiration despite her expressing her discomfort, he really really loves her but the more I think on it he loves her as a muse and doesn't see her soul).

To pivot back to Hera's characterisation: she is not the goddess of love, but marriage and family, which speak of COMMITMENT. Specifically of commitment to the societal structures that preserve ORDER. Zeus is losing it and is now a threat to that order. Why would she have an affair with Poseidon? He has a cooler head and his devotion to her allows her to leverage him as an ally in her purpose to preserve the current order: the reign of the gods above humans.

"You're the king, but I am the queen."

"Power is delegation."

Then there is the royal family: Ari's commitment to her family never breaks, but in contrast to Hera's commitment founded on order and preservation, it is a commitment founded on LOVE (this also helps explain Dionysus' attraction to her because he loves love). She loves her father Minos until she learns of what he did to Glaucus, and why did he do it? To serve the gods, aligned to Hera's purpose and interests. Ari's actions (killing Minos) are guided by love which then amends her lifelong emotional estrangement and hostile relationship with her mother Pas, who immediately recognises the validity of Ari's killing of Minos. To them both, in this scene the value and sanctity of family is not in its function as a unit providing order and structure to the hierarchies of society, but as a place of love. Granted Pas wasn't a loving mother to Ari, but (not excusing her just analysing) she was never over her grief and blamed Ari, irrationally blamed her for the death of Glaucus and for anyone familiar with Jungian archetypes and shadows, what is the inverse of love and forgiveness? Hate and resentment. Pas as a flawed human never did the psychological/internal/soul work she should have done to be a good mother for Ari, but Ari's perseverance and actions in alignment to her own values based on truth and love not only helped her own progression in her journey toward her prophecy but also helped Pas' own healing toward love and forgiveness (this is making me so emotional rn omfg).

And Caeneus, who for 10 years in the Underworld waited to see his mum come through to confront her about his murder. Their family is also based on love, but divine destiny ruptured it. Then at the very end it his love for her despite his long struggle trying to understand her betrayal, his obsession with obtaining closure from her, in the Nothing his love is so great he unlocked a power not even Hades could do - bringing a soul back.

I feel this show was very intentional in its warping of Hera's characterisation because it is a commentary on what she stands for in society today. Marriage and family in capitalism are tools for the preservation of power, the protection of private property, to maintain the social order necessary for capitalism to continue. Do I think the show was trying to go for an anti-capitalist critique? No, at least not overtly or consciously, but so far in my reflections I see that is what is happening and as a commie that makes me a big fan.

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Okay one of the many things I really like about Kaos.

(Spoilers below!)

Ariadne wants to fuck Theseus. But when she finds out he's with Nax, it's no more of a big drama than if she'd found out he was with a woman. She has a clear moment of "...oh" and she's cold with him afterwards, but that's clearly as much about the betrayal and setup as it is about her thwarted libido, though that does seem to factor into why she's hurt.

People are just allowed to be gay, without comment or judgement.

And they're also allowed to be trans. There is *no* discussion of Riddy fucking Caeneus, in the context of him being trans. *None.* No hand-wringing about what it means for Riddy's sexuality. Nothing but acceptance of who he is. We are given no more reason to believe Riddy is anything other than straight after they've had sex. (There's no particular confirmation that she's straight either, but then again there usually isn't.)

That's another nice thing - the story doesn't make Caeneus's gender about his partner or her orientation. Caeneus's gender and transition are about *him*.

I'm a gay (...iiiiish) trans man and I absolutely love this.

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Taste and emotions in the Underworld

In other words, Kaos has fully taken over me and they mean the world to me

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Caeneus’ positivity is done so well in Kaos and I need to talk about it again. Sorry.

Caeneus is meant to represent the concept of living life for yourself and y’know, to its fullest and all, despite the gods. We get a bit of that with his transition but it’s reflected best in his attitude.

Caeneus isn’t an optimist, he isn’t innocent or naive, he’s sarcastic and dry frequently and his life experiences are nothing short of depressing and brutal. But he stays positive about everything, not because he thinks things will get better because god do they not, he stays positive for himself. Caeneus stays positive because it’s better to enjoy your shitty miserable life despite what it’s trying to put you through than to be miserable all the time. And I love this so so much.

There’s a lot to be said for how him and Riddy are opposites there - had a life where nothing much happened and he died forgotten with barely any positive experiences but still lived his short boring life to the fullest vs had a life full of excitement and adventure that she wasted most of being miserable.

I just think this is a refreshing take on positive characters because the poor man is clearly fighting tooth and nail to remain cheery. Like it’s not quite an act but it’s clearly an active decision he’s making. It’s such an interesting take on a character who represents the idea of living life to its fullest.

(Plus y’know the theme comes full circle with him being able to renew souls. I love him so much you can pry his arc from my cold dead hands).

[thosesillylittlegayghosts]

Never in my life did I think I’d be rooting for Eurydice and another man rather than Orpheus but my god Kaos has managed it

[wheneverfeasible]

Y’all I’m watching Kaos on Netflix and I’m on Episode 3 and 37:28 minutes in and a lot of you are going to like this part for a reason I don’t.

Also I’m surprised I haven’t seen anything about this show on my feed yet. Like…Billie Piper as Cassandra? Jeff Goldblum as Zeus? David Thewlis as Hades? The massive queer representation?

Like c’mon people. I need someone to yell about this show with.

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RIDDY & CAENEUS in KAOS 🤍

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I LOVE HER SO MUCH 🥹🤏

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I just had a devastating edit idea of Riddy and Caeneus set to Sailor Song by Gigi Perez and I think I may have to learn editing just to make it because OH MY GOD

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One of the things I love about Kaos, is how Persephone calls out the ‘og’ myth about Hades and herself as total bullsh*t. Yet Caeneus and Riddy go on to almost perfectly embody that same myth.

Alright, Caeneus didn't snatch our fair maiden from the abundant spring fields. (Though I'd have paid anything to see him do it in season 2. Find her and drag her back to their chthonic love nest.) But they met in the Underworld, shared food and drink together and fell in love. Until she was pulled back to the world of the living by a loved one seeking her return/it was essential for her to return for some cosmic purpose.

I'd totally headcanon them actually getting a Hades/Persephone kind of deal. Where they can spend the dark half of the year together and the light half must be spent apart. I imagine Persephone would love the irony/romance of it.

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Me realizing that I'll probably never see Caeneus and Riddy onscreen again