#JTTW : DC

[m0dernchr0n1cles]

Rewriting DC Monkey Prince & Nezha: Fixing the lore

Now, I am going to "fix" the lore of Monkey Prince, and here is where you can criticize me

Credit to @journeytothewestresearch, @sonicasura, @ryin-silverfish

Gene Luen Yang is obviously a fan of Sun Wukong (read American Born Chinese), but he didn't understand the more obscure parts of Journey to the West.

It really did seem like he was writing based on what vague memories he got from watching Journey to the West 1986 (great adaptation) as a child, and didn't doing any more research.

The circlet was a torture device, a restraining bolt to keep Sun Wukong from doing terrible things. It should not be used to help Marcus "practice focus".

Zhu Bajie as a mentor is a weird choice, but it could've worked if it was handled properly (look at Black Myth: Wukong). Instead, we get a blank-slate blob trying to play Uncle Iroh to Yang's self-insert.

The Gold and Silver Demons were two of Laozi's assistants that were sent to test the pilgrims' mettle, and even then, they weren't rampaging across China. They were fairly affable, respectful and loving towards their mother and uncle, and they were even willing to return the monk when their mother was murdered.

After they were defeated, they were returned to their true forms, apologized, and returned to Heaven.

Red Boy's Batman-esque origin was a giant wasted opportunity, and I feel like Yang forgot he existed after #0 pilot, until someone brought it up, and he was forced to make Red Boy relevant.

Dragons are supposed to be incredibly powerful (especially Ao Guang, the eldest brother and Dragon King of the East Sea). Having them living near Atlantis in "Dragontown" retirement home feels a bit like a downgrade, especially considering that Ao Guang's younger kids, Ao Bing and Longnü, are highly respected (Ao Bing became Star Officer of Huagai, Longnü became a disciple of Guan Yin).

If you want to hear me rant about Nezha, click here and here.

Fixing This in 新神榜：孙太子

There is how I would redo it in my rewrite:

I'm borrowing a lot of lore from the New Gods movies

Bull Demon King and Princess Iron Fan were not killed by Darkseid. Instead, Darkseid tried to kill the Jade Emperor.

After Darkseid attacked the Heavenly Court, the Court was in complete disarray. A council of regents, unofficially led by the Queen Mother of the West, are now in charge. Many internal investigations were done in order to "root out the traitors" (get rid of people they didn't like). Many gods and immortals were kicked out of Heaven or replaced.

Sun Wukong mysteriously disappeared. All that is known was that there was an ordered attack on Flower Fruit Mountain, and a conflict between him and Yang Jian, and that was it. Any witnesses to the aftermath were unable to be reached.

Laozi's lab assistants fell to earth and became the Gold and Sliver Demons again, and they are trying to form a crime family.

Nezha was kicked out, and replaced with Devil Nezha, who was held in place by the Huntian Ling. After Devil Nezha realized how he was nothing but a pawn for the amusement of the Court, he tried to rebel, only to be sealed away.

Nezha's weapons were carefully divided up and hidden away.

Nezha fell to earth, and eventually reincarnated into Li Yunxiang.

Ao Bing fell to earth, and eventually reincarnated (with Ao Guang's intervention) into De Zheng.

The Dragon Clans each became major crime syndicates, establishing their own power base.

De 德家 = East

Li 利家 = South

Shun 顺家 = West

Song 松家 = North

Yang Jian is firmly keeping his hands out of Heaven's nonsense, deciding to kick up his feet and take an extended vacation. He only gets involved when he sees that his old friend's reincarnation is in danger.

Red Boy has been studying under Guan Yin, and is close friends with another disciple, a girl who is strangely hush-hush about her past life.

Seeing the chaos of the Lower Realm, the Heavenly Court tries to reestablish control through more insidious methods.

Zhu Bajie does not become Marcus' "Shifu 师父", instead he is his "Martial Uncle 师叔". He's less of a mentor, more like a cool uncle that gives life advice.

It makes sense since Sun Wukong was Zhu Bajie's "Elder Martial Brother 师兄", and how the master-disciple relationship works is an adoption of sorts, with the master become a "father" and the disciple becoming a "son".

Marcus is left to his own devices a lot of the time, which causes problems, which forces Bajie to be more responsible (so Bajie also gets a bit of a character arc).

Marcus gets to have multiple mentors (Yang Jian, Li Yunxiang, etc). There is a constant argument about whether it is a good thing for Marcus to be a hero, or if they should find a way to seal away his powers so he can live a normal life.

Marcus does not get a circlet. Instead, when he does something stupid, Bajie just whacks him upside the head.

Include more characters from Journey to the West. Specifically the ones that are actual threats (or have connections to other characters)

Here are the ones I'm going to use:

Gold and Silver Horn Demons

Nine-Headed Bug/Demon

Lady Earthflow

Hundred-Eyed Daoist

Yellow Wind Demon

Black Wind Demon

Red Boy

[phantamic-moriori]

This DC version of sun wukong got me acting a certain way...

[timeturner-jay]

Drabble Requests: Open

Hey guys! I just wanted to give another head’s up that my drabble requests are still open, for anyone who wants to send in a prompt or two (or five or more, go wild)!

Just send me an ask with the name of a character and a one-word prompt, and I’ll write a short drabble for them. (If you have multiple requests, please send one ask per prompt, for simplicity’s sake!)

Example of a request prompt:

Aigis + "winter"

You can pick any character from the following fandoms:

Persona 3

Persona 5

Journey to the West

Lego Monkie Kid

Sousou no Frieren

Outer Wilds

Kirby

Hollow Knight

Fire Emblem

Legend of Zelda/Linked Universe

Critical Role

DC Comics (but mostly the Batfam, I know them best)

The Moomins

Rise of the Guardians/Guardians of Childhood

Lord of the Rings

[frostedclock]

Went to a coffee shop and found these gems.

I had to get them.

But just ... How did I not know about this?

A Dc version of Wukong....

[sonicasura]

Also, while I have yer attention: What is *yer* beef with DC’s Monkey Prince?

It's an absolute middle finger to Journey to the West as a whole and character assassination for Batman too. Without going into a rant, Sun Wukong greatly upholds the value of family that he sees his own as subjects like his children/grand children. He wouldn't knock up some woman than leave her alone to raise his child.

The Golden Filet used on Monkey Prince was a torture device. It's purpose being to punish Sun Wukong's misbehavior by squeezing his head, one way to harm the spiritual monkey of the mind. Pigsy is also a terrible pick for teacher as he often lied or got the Monkey King into trouble in the first place. He didn't become a Buddha post journey either.

Batman isn't the Punisher in a bat costume running around traumatizing children either. His original concept never made him a killer since it would make him as bad as the Joker who killed his parents. Batman always gives them a chance to get professional help if you look at the old cartoon 'Batman the Animated Series'.

I hope this helps.

[jttw-m0nkehs1mp]

Aww I totally get it, just know that I will always appreciate your art, wether it be sexy monkey or badass heros/villians or other cool things

Thank you for the loves and reblogs for the artworks I've did for the Wukongverse!

However, in the next recent posts I'll be moving on to another fandom such as DC, so please don't be alarmed that I'm not posting about the Wukongverse currently (I lost my fixation because I haven't consumed any materials regarding Wukongverse recently and I'm losing steam)

I'll will answer the current asks to clear them out and make a revamps for the blog within the next fews days

Thank you and hopefully, we'll met again in the vast Wukongverse again! See you next time!

[nicolekart]

Let me just leave it here... 🧡

Original scene: Steven Universe s01e45 I haven't done animatics for ages. I forgot how much joy it gave me!

It's my little headcanon that Wukong sometimes thinks about that.

[britt-kageryuu]

Considering I only know/read/seen a small amount of different media about or based on Sun Wukong... mostly focused on LMK at the moment.

Learning about the Marvel Comics and DC comics versions are kinda weird, if funny, from some context.

Like the Marvel comic has a Crime Lord essentially being haunted by the spirit of Sun Wukong for somehow stealing his staff, or something. This is based off a blurb summary on "this character in other media".

But!!

The DC comic is focused on Sun Wukongs HUMAN SON, who becomes a hero called Monkey Prince, that looks kinda like Wukong stole Robin's costume and modified it. At least that's just my opinion.

There's only so much you can glimpse from a picture and skimming the wikipedia page.

I almost want to write/search for a crossover meeting where they gripe about their variants of the world after JTTW.

[the-covens-headmate-inspo]

what are your boundaries with requests? do you have a list of media you’re all comfy with? /gen

ok we probably should’ve put this on our intro but here is list of media we’re comfy with, this list may be missing a few things

-DC (all minus live action)

-Danny Phantom

-MCU

-keepers of the lost city before book 8-ish

-a majority of Minecraft smps (Note: do not assume we support an controversial CC)

-FNAF (all minus books)

-Romeo and Juliet (ig?)

-STH

-Sonic underground

-lifesteal (specifically killer bunnies and branzy’s versions)

-CotL

-tokyo mew mew

-class of 09

-yu-gi-oh! (All anime’s + the card game)

-South Park

-Lego Monkie kid

-JTTW/Journey to the West

-Bumblebee (2018 movie, we will not do blitzwing)

-Transformers Prime (For personal comfortability we won’t do deceptacons)

-Tmnt 2012

-Rottmnt

-a lot more I’m missing.

[angstandhappiness]

LMAO

I FORGOT TO ADD THE BONUS LIST OF MACAQUE'S FJDKLFDJ

Liu Er Mihou/Macaque/Six-eared Macaque

Hot Topic - (Emo Monkey. Hot Topic Store. Yeah)

The EX - (Because Shadowpeach go brrr. Not that the class knows that but someone made the joke )

Moon Moon - (Due to Macaque being related back to the Moon but also the Moon Moon Wolf post.)

Trash Panda - (Because I think I remember racoons sometimes being called that as a joke.)

The "Cooler" Monkey - (From the fact he impersonated Wukong and is ‘evil’ therefore obviously cooler (not))

Dobby - (It started with them saying how Macaque was the evil doppelgänger to Wukong only for someone to say Dobby after failing to say doppelganger correctly. Which then spawned the joke of him taking the scriptures from Tripitaka as "Buddah has given Macaque scriptures! Macaque is FREEEEE!!!!" even though none of that happened) Although nothing beats you saying Nezha called him "Dark Lord" I also could have totally made those names into an actually bullet points list but shhh....I was too amazed I could send all those in one ask

OH HELP ME IT GOT BETTER NDJKCNKSKCDS

The way that Moon Moon would be used by Sun Wukong at some point though while Nezha and M&M chirp out "trash panda's here!" when Macaque walks into the room bc theyre petty

See, now Dobby is one of the cuter ones and it's so silly and I love it NJCHCSHJACS

But, you're right. Nothing beats Nezha staring at Macaque dead in the eyes and saying, "Sup Dark Lord?"

[m0dernchr0n1cles]

I can't help but imagine the banishment of the "traitors" after Darkside attack on the heavenly bureacy as an Oprah Winfrey show. With the Queen Mother of West as Oprah Winfrey giving out banishments to the public. And instead of the cheers of the public getting gifts. It's the screams of terror from the deities who gets banished.

Queen Mother of West: "You Get Banished! You Get Banished! You Get Banished! And You Get Banished!

Damn, that is peak meme material.

I would expect some cheers from those not getting banished. They need to find something to celebrate in these trying times.

The ask is referencing this post

[fanficmaniatic]

Top three charactsrs from any media ?

EASY PEASY

Cole (Ninjago), Jazz (Transformers) and Sun Wukong (Jttw and other media)

My loves. Sun Wukong is a bit iffy. might be actually Dick Grayson from DC... but idk... Sun Wukong has infected brain, hard to say if Grayson is on equal standing or lesser. Sun Wukong just came in like a fungus, you know?

[soleminisanction]

You know JTTW??? :00

(I assume you do bc of your cat being name sha wujing)

Yup! I've yet to read the original (English translation) in full because it's long but I'm slowly working my way through it. I've also read Arthur Waley's Monkey adaptation and I'm a big fan of Overly Sarcastic Production's still-ongoing epic summary. Plus I've seen a few of the various Asian movie and anime adaptations, and I got a kick out of DC's Monkey Prince.

I was reading Monkey when I adopted my boy-cat and thought he looked like he'd grow into the name, plus Sha Wujing is my favorite character in the book. So it stuck. I call him Sandy most of the time. It confuses people.

[celestial-jade-plum]

Considering how many sequels (and supplementary material) of the JTTW novel gave him kids…

I’d say it’s a time honored tradition. There’s King Pāramitā in one that’s supposed to take place between two later chapters of the novel. A son he accidentally has with Princess Iron Fan through magical means.

Then there is the Journey to the South sequel novel. He has three children in that one, 2 sons (Jidu and Luohou) and a daughter (Yuebei Xing).

Then there is his spiritual successor Sun Luzhen. Who goes through similar trials and challenges throughout his life as Sun Wukong did.

Outside of animation, though, I’d like to point you in the direction of the DC comicbook series Monkey Prince, that kind of does the same as LmK? The titular character is a regular human boy until he finds out he has the powers of the Monkey king. He does eventually get to meet Sun Wukong but he’s raised by regular human parents and thought by a disguised Piggy and Sandy.

Just seems like everyone looks at any Sun Wukong and says “hmm, dad shaped.”

If I had a nickel for everytime a monkey king show made him an accidental father figure to a mysterious kid with supernatural powers I'd have two nickels whicb isn't a lot but it's so funny that every writer looks at Sun Wukong and said "The cure to anger management is giving this unstable monkey a child"

Lol they both also leave said super powered child behind cause they don't want it to get hurt and die. RIP

They really said give this monkey familial trauma and make it personal

EDIT 5 WHOLE TIMES THIS TROPE EXISTS IN 5 WHOLE ITERATIONS???? Well tbf Monkey King (Netflix) and Hero is Back, the kid doesn't have supernatural powers but it still WORKS. And New Gods the kid is full grown BUT STILL

[sonicasura]

Okay. I keep seeing this confusion constantly pop up on my recommended. For anyone in the Trollhunters fandom or plan to introduce someone to the series...

Trollhunters and Rise of the Titans aren't made by the same writers.

The one responsible for the trainwreck movie is Marc Guggenheim. He's responsible for: Arrow Season 4, 2nd Percy Jackson movie and Green Lantern movie. It is a scenario where someone who doesn't understand the material drags it down to hell: the death touch.

This has happened to two other media I indulge in: Venom and Journey To The West. Donny Cates who destroyed the Lethal Protector's entire character. Two major examples being the destruction of the mutual love between Eddie and Venom alongside a random Anne/Venom love child whose very unsavory conception is from something the symbiote would NEVER do.

Next is Monkey Prince, a middle finger to anyone who enjoys Journey To The West and is most likely banned in China where the "inspiration" originates. This insult was clearly made with no proper knowledge on JTTW, a four textbook sized long story.

It's most popular character is Sun Wukong, the Monkey King and Great Sage Equal To Heaven. A stone monkey who cares greatly when it comes to the principle of family whether it be his monkey subjects or sworn brothers. He WILL kill anyone that harms them.

Sun Wukong ain't someone who would knock up a random woman and leave knowing he has a son. To leave his kid in danger as the Monkey King made himself many enemies whether it be demons/yaoguai to immortals. Nor let an incompetent trainer use a device that was meant to torture Sun Wukong into compliance and punish him FOR TRAINING.

I'm pretty sure Mindy Kaling's self insert "Velma" is a good example too. To summarize, no one treats Rise of the Titans as canon unless its a bad ending universe or Blinky's crackfic. People who don't understand the characters and material should never be allowed to write it.

You be opening the Gates of Hell known as angry fans.

Edit: Apparently Marc was a bit more involved in the series than I thought as I did some research thanks to a heads up from @bluheaven-adw . And oh boy do I see huge errors in his line of thinking. First off, you don't end three different series such as these with an Avengers style movie.

Those style of movies aren't the type you want to use for a vague series such as 3Below/Trollhunters/Wizards. It is a Netflix exclusive series and we all know the flaws with streaming service exclusives. Each show should have it's own conclusion in their respective series but you can have some characters from the other pop up to help with proper context and introduction.

Another idiotic decision is that they were doing this while Wizards was in production. Bad move as you are stretching both budget, management and resources. It became clear that no care was brought into either production. Wizards is shaky at best but escaped the devastation that Rise of the Titans wrought to the fandom.

Love and care is just as important to manage a series than just familiarity.

[peerless-cucumber]

Monkey Prince #1 (2022) Cover C Zao Dao Variant