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I don't know WHY, but till the end of the episode i totally believed we would see the Gullet (and Jace) go down in the Finale. Even just seeing an arrow fly through the Sky during the battle, a fade to black after seeing Jaces Face, foreshadowing of what WILL happen at the start of S3 would have been enough for me. I thought it would start and end with the death of a Sonđ
#Instead we got horrible Dialogue#i dont wanna call it âfanficâlike bc i read GODLIKE fanfics#but wtf did they do with alicent#i loved the rhaencient dynamic as in âthere was love. maybe there is.but there is no going back ans we both fight for our rightsâ#WHAT DO YOU MEAN SHE WOULD SELL AEGON TO NYRA#HUH#and why would helaena hate riding -#also sunfyre is confirmed dead huh ;)#same as me#Hotd#hotd spoilers#hotd finale#i couldnt help myself but cringe at some parts#âa son for a sonâ Jaehaerys would like to know your location#not like anyone would remember the beheading of a fuckin child huh#i loved the changes the made in season 1 i could support them#but what happend *gestures vaguely* here
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nice spongebob impression đ
#class of 09#jecka class of 09#jecka co09#co09#class of 09 art#class of 09 the flipside#co09 the flipside#the game was pretty different from the past two gamesâŚ#i guess switching POVs from nicole who is famously apathetic to jecka who acts like an actual human being really does a number on the plot#horrible things happened but somehow they felt more genuinely vile and revolting than the things that happened previously#the foot thing was kinda weird but likeâŚwatching nicole kill jeffrey was the best part of the game for me LMAOAOAO#i wish we got a route where we got to know karen better though#jecka and her canonically used to be friendsâŚ#and for the love of god why was like half the dialogue just feet worship that was gross#we could have had jeckas thoughts or character development or like more dialogue with nicole (??) but instead we get mommy fetishes.#oh i loved the dialogue when jecka was crashing out with her hot topic job tho#girl really wasnât taking anything serious SOB#nicole co09#jeckole
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Trust Fall
Prompt: An elite member of the organization Fractsidius⌠Scar appears before you in order to explain his beliefs⌠so you may understand all you have to gain by joining forces and hands and to change the world with them all.
Youâre weirdly open to the idea.
Authorâs Note: Crack Territory. Surprisingly Wholesome? As wholesome as a Scar Fic can be. Heâs a weirdo. This is the kindest fic I currently have. Technically, can be read platonic or romantic adjacent... ( He is flirting with you. You donât exactly return it. ) Please send me Scar Fics. Otherwise Iâll need to make them all myself. Carry the weight of the world on my shoulders.
The face of the legendary resonator, his fellow black sheep, his fellow revolutionary in the new world if they had merely opened their heart enough to let them all inside. Well, you could have worn a more dynamic expression. You eyebrows are knit together, their mouth is curved into a frown. In all honesty? A little underwhelming of a reaction especially considering he's sent their little friend. ( A girl. Youâre surrounded by girls! It's scary how every time he blinks it's like another one surrounds you. You're too popular! ) Where was he?
Oh, right.
He sent them to The Shadow Realm. Not like he actually hurt her! Well, he could have! To be honest a part of him wished to. Already planting ideas into your head. Getting you on their side. But he chose not to. First Impressions matter a lot. He even wore his nice pair of pants instead of the easy access ones he usually wears just for this moment. The others all gave him all this time so he even had a moment alone! With you. So of course it had to be special! Even though he was sure you'd share many moments. Just like this. "Well, well, well... we finally meet."
"You're... Scar, right?" It's such a coincidence she bought up his name! You don't know a thing. But everything falls into place so you're exactly where you need to be-- you truly are lucky. While Scar? Well, the fact you already know of his name means you know of all the foul, horrible, nicknames she's called him. An already dirty image in your head with his name attached. "Where did you put her?"
You have your hand on your sword. Pointed directly at his neck. He goes to tap it to the side. Away from his face. He already has plenty of stories for how he got all of these scars. Well, maybe he can get another. One specially made by you. Permanent proof of you.
Not bad at all. He casually goes to play with the sword in your hands, putting it back where you planned on threatening him and he leans just close enough so that if you wished you could drive it into his skull. Like a trust-fall! A trust-exercise between you both to see if you'd behave or try to crack him open like an egg. Smiling through the gap between you and the steel edge of your blade. "She's irrelevant. If she were here. She'd add a lot of meaningless dialogue. Right now I wish for your full, undivided, attention."
"Allow me to share with you my side of the story."
He raises his neck for your eyes. It isn't like he covers it up. But it's rare for him to brandish this mark so callously for others. Itâs for you! Itâs special for you. "I've been watching over you... to think you've forgotten everything."
"They're all fighting for you." He looks through his fingers-- undeniably you're you. Your confused expression gazes back at him. He winks at it. You squint your eyes even harder. He takes it as a win. ( Heâs gained lots and lots of personal multiple little wins while watching you. ) "Wishing to use you and drain you of all of your worth. Despite being a human person, they've used you the moment they found you had an inch of worth. While we are no different..."
"We wished to be honest with you." He smiles as he steps closer. He notices how your hold on the blade tightens. You hold it still. It does not stutter or tremble. He leans in close enough that the outline of his neck is at the knife of the blade. "To allow you to understand us. We've been granted precious alone time. I'm here to show you we are not the villains...ââ
He expected that if you did fight back. You'd hit him with your blade. Then he'd know to go to the next phase of the plan -- i.e. beat you up. Show you why theyâre stronger. So the human, more basal part of you, would understand why not to resist and prove their worth through overtaking you. Offer to join the winning side.
It seems that's not what you're going to do.
"Let me stop you there." You step back and sheathe your blade. You've been exceptionally quiet. Mouth closed in a thin line. Eyebrows furrowed. Handsome. Beautiful. An odd mix of both words.. As he watched over you-- the most you said had to do with what that red-headed girl ( Chia? Chilichuck? What was her name? God. He basically ignored every word of theirs besides your dialogues.. your friends really did talk a lot.. The red-headed one with the gun especially annoyed him. ) And food. This is by all means a pleasant surprise. "Does everyone in this god-forsaken world speak in riddles?"
"Oh, but we have so much time! To explain it all would be no fun. It'd ruin the game." He widens his arms and shrugs his shoulders, showcasing the sight of the destruction behind him. "Besides, you wouldn't believe it if I told you. Would you? You have to come to conclusions on your own for them to matter. It's just me and you. No need to rush. Just trust the process."
You laugh at that for some reason. Scar clocks it. But, the fact you stop glaring seems like a good sign. Your smile is nice. So it does have the ability to be his way. Though, it appears you're laughing at him. He cherishes his victories however small and frames it on his mind-wall. "A town on the brink of destruction... if it wasn't us... how did it fall? A story of false devotion, fleeting kindness, senseless killings and the worst humanity has to offer... of course... there is only one truth. But history can take many different meanings dependent on the person. This is a world filled with oppressors and victims and..."
"That's not what I mean." Hm? Hmm? Hmmm...? "You're playing around. You wish to show me how sick this world is. You wish to understand how I'm being manipulated... that was your point from earlier... right? Stick with that. Are you trying to get me on your side or what? I'm tired of being dragged around."
Scar... has to take a moment... to process your words. Not really expecting... that. "Oh...? So you are listening! Iâm glad! Well... inevitably. Yes, that is the point I wished to make. You and I are the same you see... both of us are outcasts... a story of a shepherd, itâs flock, and a black sheepââ he does have a point to make, he thought really hard about the symbolism before coming here so it was easy to digest and everything.
"I'll join you." You hold out your hand towards his. "Scar, that's your name right? I'll join you right now. I'm not in the mood to play any more mind-games. If I join you. You donât have reason to not tell me, right? You promised.â
Scar's world lights up.
He stares at your hand. Itâs the one with your resonator mark no lessâ offered out to him. A sign of trust. An offer of companionship. You wiggle your fingers and ahem rather loudly. He immediately takes your hand with both of his own. Maybe a bit too frantically. Maybe a touch too desperately. The closeness is surprising to even him.
He studies your hand. He doesnât remember the last time anyoneâs offered their to his. And you did so unprompted. He feels the weight of your hand in his own. And he almost forgets what heâs here forâ
"..." "Seriously?"
"Why are you acting surprised? Why did you even bother to meet me here if you weren't even open to the possibility of me joining you? Was it to sow the seeds? Slow-burn me? I'm not nearly as patient as you all seem to think I am." You cross your arms and huff. "Are you suddenly questioning whether or not I'm the resonator you're looking for? You're right. I don't remember anything. I'm not the hero anyone expects me to be. I'm not what you want from me either." âI want you to prove yourselves to me. You said youâre the ones in the right⌠that the others are just trying to use me.â You linger on those words. âIf thatâs true⌠well⌠youâre clearly suspicious, mentally deranged, to be honest I was tempted to hit you really bad just now... but... I don't exactly doubt your words. Every single person I've met has been..."
"Reliant on me." You gaze at the mark on the back of your wrist. "This is an equation of my worth. I can't disagree. No matter how hard I try to. That in itself is proof you have a point. So⌠itâs an avenue worth exploring.â
"..." "....." "Aha... ahahahaa... ahaaa... seriously?!" Scar doesnât remember to use his indoor voice. He remembers after you jump a little. Doing his best to whisper. "Wait, no, that's bad. Oh, I'm so sorry... I was right... they... did use you as a pawn... and they made it so obvious⌠That you immediately..."
"You chose me." Scar is giddy. He couldnât stop himself from smiling even if he wanted to. Each word. He falls a little deeper. "You weren't even forced into a corner. I didn't even have to make you do it.â
âYouâre already understanding of how alone we are in this worldâŚ!â
"You're not really different from them. You just admit to it." You sigh. "You're worse in a way. I'd doubt they'd force me to help them."
You're insulting him but he's still on cloud nine-- you're joining them arenât you? Purposefully reaching in to touch the filth you apparently so despise! Ah, they're hardly ready! They'd thought this take much longer... it's true. He doubted you would believe him. Believe any of them. Maybe the villainous appearance and rumors of sociopathy, psychopathy, and all of that doesn't quite help.
Whoopsies. ( He isn't very sorry. You chose him regardless and you would have anyway because he knows at the end of the road you wouldâve realized the hopelessness and that you had no choice and all. But you chose him over them and saw through their deceit. Him. Him. Him. Heâs the one who got you to change your mindâ ) He really canât find it in himself to care about how menacing he seems. His smileâs just too hard to wipe offâŚ
"I want to understand the world you're fighting for." You sigh. "You see yourself in me, right? You were projecting pretty hard on me earlier... So the world you're trying to make..."
"It's a world which is better for me. And... I can't help but to wonder if you're not wholly in the wrong." You rub your wrist. Like the mark of skin burns. "I want to see.. how worse it gets... I want to see what you've seen. I'm just opening myself for understanding. Isn't that what you wanted? An open, honest, discussion.â
"You do have purpose behind the evil, right? I'm not going to join and you make me blow up an orphanage or something⌠you're morally-grey bad at worst." You pause to consider. "I don't really have a point of reference for the terrible things you've done actually. Maybe we can put this on hold until I get one-"
"No, no, no! Noooo orphanages! We're not monsters." Scar pouts. "You'll see, okay? Iâm going to show you all the horrors! Then youâll get it. Weâre ultimately in the right.â
âYou knocked out Yangyang.â You sigh. Detached. But the sentiment behind the words is there.
"So they did get you to care." Scar hums. "Shed your worries. Such useless feelings do little good... she'll be fine... see? We are willing to reason! This whole talk was to prove we can communicate. She wouldnât listen to me. She wouldnât even look at me. Sheâd keep us apart and spread her little lies.â
Okay, maybe heâs a bit jealous. Why was she so exceptionally close to you? He doesnât even mind the gossip. Everyone talks to him like that. Looks at him in that way without ever understanding.
Heâs the one who should have been offering free dinners, doing small little romanticisms, giving you small yearning gestures with you, not her. And he will from this point onward! And he will be the one to do it. Even if he has to pry you from the othersâŚ
( Seriously, why are you so popular? It just isnât fair! Heâs going to be fighting for crumbs when he brings you back to the base. He just canât win. )
âIf I shed all my worries then wonât I just be the same as any other sheep? Itâs the wool that makes them look different.â You sigh while rubbing your arm. âWhat even is that metaphor aboutâŚ?â
âOh. I did use that metaphor, didnât I? Yes, with fur so black! It was obvious against the rest of the flock⌠for black sheep are the outsiders! Those who go against the grainââ Scar responds dumbly. Rambling, because he really is so happy! He's got you right where he wants you! You're not struggling, nor running away, you've walked right into his arms! And he didnât plan this far at all. So, his mindâs a bit fumbled. This is the best first date likely in the history of ever. Though, he notices your unimpressed look. Thus, he straightens his back and smiles as gentlemanly he can muster pounding his fist against his own chest considering youâve made it a point that you hate long-talk. ââ anyway, yes, shepherd evil, white sheep stupid, black sheep good.â
He looks at you to see how well youâve taken his shortened explanation. You use your other hand to facepalm. ( He hasnât let go of your arm. He realizes. You havenât pulled your arm back. This sparks joy. This sparks incredible joy. He holds it even tighter. And you donât even struggle. )
âI should have done the puzzle first. Lacking lots of subtext.â Is what you put together from his explanation. âJust explain on the way. Come on. Iâll lose brain cells if Iâm here for any longer.â
Right.
Heâs taking you home. Youâre still not gone. Youâre here with him.
Youâre with him.
"Ahaha.â he rambles, graining traction as his grin grows more manic, he can feel his skin getting hotter, the urge to hold you tightly within his hands and explain growing stronger with each passing moment, every second, every millisecond. Itâs a feeling you wish to feel forever. âYou want to listen to me.â
And he will feel it forever. Heâll make it so. He doesnât have to wait any longer.
"Thereâs so much to tell you. About this world.â he cackles, loudly, his voice crackling throughout the air with a reinvigorated passion as he leans close to your ear to whisper with as much love as his dried up little heart has. Putting it all for you. âAnd Iâll tell you about all of it.â
"Okay. I seriously donât know how the hell you expected me to trust you." You whisper. Tired? Yes. Terribly so. You so hope Yangyang can't hear him. From wherever he's put her. Shadow Realm or whatever. "Youâre making me regret this alreadyââ
"NO!" he rushes forward and leap-hugs you. "Noooo take-backs. You already said it! So you canât take it back. Thatâs how it works. When you say it. Itâs forever.â
âThatâs not how it works-â
"You're all mine, forever.â
"Agh-- hey!" You yelp... a touch high-pitched. He squeezes you tightly and you see the flash of smoke-- Yangyang's passed out body on the ground. You shut your eyes, awkwardly looking away. Youâll know sheâll be saved soon. âIâm coming. Iâm coming, okay?â
Perhaps you're even better than his wildest dreams. Well, he'd love you as much regardless. Whether or not you came now or later. This is a drastic changes of plans. But a pleasant one.
His cards fly through the air and they capture you both-- you hold onto him. His laugher resonating loudly, a wicked sound which is proof of the choice youâve made. A choice youâve made which you certainly canât entirely turn back from no matter how hard you try to reverse youâre being taken along.
More like dragged. Heâs holding your hand like youâll run if you donât. ( Heâs not exactly wrong. ) You just awkwardly hold back. Unaware you donât even need to be touching him to get warp-jumped.
He doesnât exactly tell you either or warn you or do anything to stop you. Instead encouraging it by opening his arms out so you can hold on properly.
As youâre flashed away through a red door⌠the person youâve decided to trust manically laughing as you phase through that door. âThereâs so much⌠to tell you! Well letâs start at the very beginningâŚ!â
No matter where you are youâre susceptible to lore dumps. At least heâs excited about it. You wonder how long heâs been holding this in.
You close your eyes tight and just hold on tight as you embrace your new life.
Again.
#wuwa#x reader#wuwa spoilers#đď¸ trash writes#wuwa x reader#wuthering waves#wuwa is so unfair with his name#my stupid babygirl husband who beats the shit out of me and begs me to like him#of course I like him .#entirely based on what scraps of content I have#by all means could prove extremely ooc later#heâs giving suguru geto though with that explanation đđđ#wuthering waves x reader
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y'know what i find interesting about sun now that hw2 is out?
i've seen various interpretations of him since the game's release with all the new dialogue and scenes we got ranging from "stressed and in bad need of a cigarette and a three year vacation" to "petty bitch" to "caring but pushed to his limit" and like
the thing is, they're all right
he probably played favorites with some of the kids--cassie's testament combined with his general mannerisms certainly make me think so. sun is a little mean to the player character. he insults you, he talks down to you, he treats you like you don't have two brain cells to rub together when you screw up. in the carousel level, he's clearly begrudging that he can't simply do the job himself. he is petty and he is stressed and he is frustrated
you'd think, then, that sun would happily let moon do what he will with the human employees he clearly detests, with the kids that obviously frustrate him. you'd think he'd make good on his threats to turn off the lights himself, to let these people get what they deserve. how many times have we dreamed of petty revenge on the shitty customers and coworkers we've had to deal with in our jobs?
he doesn't. instead, he resigns himself to a life of isolation to keep moon in check, doing whatever he can to keep anyone else from getting hurt or dying. despite all his hot air, sun cares. deeply, selflessly. when we see him during the ruin segments of hw2, he's shaking in fear, hiding in scant light he has access to in his and moon's horrible room, out of easy reach from most, trying in the only way he can to keep more tragedy from occurring. he knows how bad his situation is; he's acutely aware of it in a way most of the other animatronics don't seem to be. his actions speak far louder than his words, and god knows he has plenty to say
sun is a deeply flawed person who tries to do good in spite of it all, and to me, that's fascinating
#fnaf sb#fnaf ruin#fnaf hw2#fnaf sun#idk i've just been mulling this over since hw2 came out#ik some people were disappointed with his mannerisms#none of this to say sun is perfect. he obviously isn't#it's just far more interesting to see his good intentions contrasted with his harsh personality#idk. he's just so big and loud and grand that it's just kind of tragic to me that he makes himself so small and hidden#for the sake of people he doesn't even like most of the time#anyway he lives rent free in my head forever thanks
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The Tragedy of the CX Troopers and the Missed Opportunity to Teach Us All an Important Lesson
A deeper look into how the CX-Troopers were handled in the Bad Batch and the narrative surrounding them that unfortunately got dropped in season 3
I want to start off by applauding the Bad Batch for the brave attempt to tackle dark topics throughout the series and presenting them in a way that is appropriate for families to watch and discuss with their children. Most of series is successful in being just dark enough to raise tension but to also keep things suitable for a childâs first glimpse into the harsh realities of life. However there still a few places that missed the mark.
The one I wish to cover today is the inconsistent narrative surrounding the CX-Troopers. Iâm not here to say it was bad writing per se, but if a dark topic is discussed in a family oriented tv series, it is best to commit adequate time to truly flesh it out so the messaging is clear. Subjective is great in a mature series like Andor, but kids lack the life experience required to read between the lines.
And yes, exposition does make dialogue sound clunky at times, but there is a reason why most cartoons in the 80s had the kind of âThe more you knowâ lesson after each episode. The Bad Batch was no different. Techâs speech in the Crossing and his encouragement to Omega at the end of Retrieval are perfect examples of this.
In my opinion, there was an opportunity for an important lesson to be learned from the CX Troopers that was brought up but left unfinished. These shadow operatives could have been a way to show the viewer how anyone can be âbrainwashedâ either by force or by clever manipulation.
One operative in season 2 called himself a âBelieverâ which seems to evoke he was forcibly submerged into a cult-like indoctrination. Itâs also why I prefer to use the phrase âcoercive persuasionâ or âforced persuasionâ instead of brainwashing as they are a more accurate description of the process that has been historically implemented by governments, cults, and captors in order to make good people believe in or do horrible things.
Dr. Hemlockâs use of forced persuasion on select clones to turn them into CX-Troopers is a interesting look into the real world and well-documented cases of brainwashing within fascist regimes; especially in wartime settings. It is common and disturbing tactic implemented in moments of great despair and something that deserves more focus within the narrative if it is to be brought up as a major plot point.
Most of the brainwashing aspects in the Bad Batch were rapidly glossed over probably due to time and budget constraints, and not so much by the dark and disturbing imagery. One can easily get the âidea acrossâ without showing it explicitly. (Like Crosshair having his hand chopped off. We didnât see it but yeah, we get the gist).
I will say however, that despite the mystery surrounding brainwashing in the CX-Program, one of the more poignant moments was Captain Rex telling a caught CX Trooper that he was still their brother and that they would help him. It was a beautiful show of compassion and introduced new plot element; that the soldiers who undergo forced persuasion could possibly be reached or even saved.
Itâs not a stretch to believe that the Bad Batch would take this route given the series had built up âwe donât leave our own behindâ as one of the main themes. It would also be safe to say that saving fictional heroes from brainwashing gives us hope that real life survivors can recover from such trauma.
It was one of the many reasons fans were led to believe that the mysterious CX-2 operative could have been Tech or Cody. The focus on this particular shadow operative gave rise to speculation that he was different, that there was something coming to shed light or hope that a lost soldier could be found and rescued; something that would make sense of it were a character we already cared greatly about.
Alas, CX-2 was kept a mystery box that gave no insight to the tragic nature of his existence nor gave us a reason to mourn his death. That is why the battle between the Bad Batch and Hemlockâs Batch of secret operatives felt rushed and incomplete to some viewers. There wasnât proper time for the story to breathe beyond âOne Batch is good, the other Batch is bad.â
There were simply too many dropped narratives throughout the final season that reduced the whole CX Trooper plot to a video game-esque final boss battle. Donât get me wrong, it was an amazing fight, beautifully animated, terrifying, and intense; but nevertheless, it felt hollow because the build-up went nowhere.
At thatâs exactly where the narrative around the tragic nature of brainwashing got lost.
Itâs important for you to know that Iâm not saying the Bad Batch killing these operatives in the final fight was wrong. Iâm also not saying that they should have tried to reach out to save these Shadow Operatives in the middle of of a life and death situation. Itâs just unfortunate that we were never given a reason to feel anything other than relief that the CX-Troopers were killed.
And yes, this is a show about the Bad Batch and not brainwashed mystery troopers, but I stress, the writing set up these characters and introduced a very dark and disturbing concept to young viewers. With more time and effort spent on the narrative, it could have been an important lesson that applies to real life.
Coercive Persuasion is not a fantasy concept. It is very very real. Sleep deprivation, isolation, abuse, constant interrogation, drugging, shame, and humiliation, are all various means to break down a personâs will and forcibly persuade them into believing anything.
One can simply look to how many people get forced into false confessions by unethical police practices, or those who end up committing atrocities due to cult leader manipulation. A more common and less obvious example is social media outlets designed to spin conspiracy theories; coercing people into believing anything they want, like like the Earth is flat and microchips were put in Covid vaccines. By preying upon peopleâs anger and fear, these sites cultivate distrust and can lead one to extremist thinking.
This is real world, dark and scary stuff that needs to be handled with serious care and consideration of bringing it into an animated Star Wars series.
So given more time and budget, how could this lesson be shown through the story of the Bad Batch? How could these brainwashed operatives been presented in a way to that is scary but still gives younger audiences a way to sympathize with them?
Shedding more light on a terrifying process would remind us the CX-Troopers are victims and despite their terrifying nature, they still deserve our compassion and empathy. So giving the operatives more of a backstory is a good start.
For Example:
Showing the transformation of at least one of these operatives before the final battle would provide more emotional impact after their demise. Having kids clearly, and not subjectively, understand that under those cool costumes there used to be good men is such an important lesson. It reinforces the narrative that the real villains arenât these soldiers but the regime that warped their minds and forced them into mindless monsters.
To be clear, this a a family series and I am in no way implying that a clear visual of lengthy torture would be acceptable. There are already hints through Crosshairâs PTSD and that is enough to get the idea across.
My suggestion would have been to place the sniper clone who eventually became CX-2 in the cell next to Crosshair while on Tantis. The viewer gradually sees these two men go back and forth to their cells after these conditioning sessions and the witness bond that forms between them. Crosshair is forced to see CX-2âs identity slip more and more away after each session until he is no longer the person he once was. The sadness and loss of seeing this man lose his identity not only leaves a mark on Crosshair, but by the viewer as well.
The scene of the shadow operative watching Crosshair on Tantiss and the one shadow operative calling him âbrotherâ would have made more sense in retrospect. In addition, having an emotional and clear connection between Crosshair and the man who became CX-2, would have given their epic fight on top of the waterfall more emotional weight. CX-2âs line âYou could have been one of us. You made the wrong choiceâ would be more resonant to the viewer. CX-2 would literally be a sniper shadow operative that Crosshair could have become verses a subjective mystery box.
To further this narrative and Crosshairâs character arc, making the above change to the story could have also opened the door to Crosshair eventually saving this lost brother. Omegaâs determination to never give up on Crosshair could have resulted in Crosshair reaching out to CX-2 and eventually getting through to him before the final battle. It would have been so emotional and fulfilling.
And yetâŚas lovely as that would have been, I realize the above scenario would require at least one additional episode; which the animation team probably didnât have the luxury or the budget to do. So Iâll offer another solution:
Adding a few minutes here and there during season 2 and the beginning of season 3 dedicated to Hemlockâs treatment to the CX-Troopers and other Clone prisoners would give the viewer a clearer picture into the nature of the CX Program. The result would be that the feeling of triumph wouldnât be seeing the shadow operatives lying dead on the floor but knowing that the experimentation on the clones at Tantiss by Dr. Hemlock was finally over.
So in conclusion:
Itâs a shame that the shadow operatives were left a mystery and simply became foils and metaphors. The fight at the end was nothing more than the Batch having to kill or be killed and it failed to showcase a serious topic with less black and white thinking.
With more time, the writers could have explored the tragedy of forced coercion. Discussing a difficult subject in a manner fit for young audiences could leave them with awareness when they are faced with a similar real world scenario.
The CX-Trooper plot could have also been a good way for a parent to discuss what coercive persuasion does to people; especially in todayâs world where social media is rife with bad people luring in youth and manipulating their anger and fear into extremist thinking.
Think about it.
How does someone get so isolated that they fall prey to extremism and they end up committing acts of terrorism? How does one get indoctrinated into a cult and become so brainwashed that they take their own lives or the lives of others at the behest of a cult leader? How would an innocent person sign a confession of a crime they didnât commit?
These are all good questions that people often ask after horrendous real life events and can regularly be seen on the daily news and social media. Having a fictional metaphor for scary real world issues that children could easily understand would be exactly the kind of thing Star Wars was created for. It was also created to give children and all of us hope.
So in the end, the lesson should have been that people who fall victim to brainwashing arenât weak or gullible. They have been put through extreme duress and put through unethical means of isolation and manipulation.
And if there is hope for even one of the CX-Troopers to be saved, we as a society should have empathy and try to reach out to those in our own lives who have been a victim of coercive persuasion before writing them off.
Disclaimer:
One thing Iâve learned in life is that platforms like Twitter are not places for deep discussions and good faith arguments. You have a set number of letters to get your ideas across and interpreting the meaning or tone always leads to misunderstandings.
That is why Iâm coming to to Tumblr to discuss my deep dives into season 3 of the Bad Batch. I am the type of person who doesnât like angry, confrontational sparring over ideas.
My goal is to shed light on a different perspective; not to make anyone agree with me, but just to understand that we can all watch the same show and interpret things differently due to our own life experiences. By explaining my viewpoints, Iâm showing you into my thought process. You are certainly free to disagree but Iâm not trying to change your feelings on the matter, nor do I wish for anyone to forcibly change mine.
We can all exist in the same space and I encourage anyone who has a different view to write an analysis of their own instead of arguing in anyoneâs comment section. Be kind and respectful and most of all, remember this is fiction and subjective interpretation. There are so many things to be really angry about in the world and Star Wars is the least of our worries.
Cheers and as always, May the Force be with you!
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Not much of a Romancer..
𦹠pairing: Necromancer!Simon âGhostâ Riley x ghost!fem!reader
𦹠word count: 1543
𦹠content: Dead Johnny (shockers), most likely inaccurate information, maybe ooc, mild cursing, i feel like this will be a rushed slowburn
𦹠notes: the definitions are from google lmao, idk how necromancy works but..how do u do dialogue what.
Necromancy, the practice of magic involving communication with the dead by summoning their spirits, a certain act that Simon wasn't familiar with. Yet, at least. Heâs been browsing through local libraries whenever he isn't deployed, researching on this topic. It never really piqued his interest to begin with, you know? Well, not until Johnny brought it up once. It stuck with him since.
âAye whin ah die L.T., mak' sure tae git an ouija boord or learn necromancy sae we kin still talk.â He joked, already tipsy from the amount of alcohol in his system. Simon knew he was kidding, the man was bloody drunk after all. The idea didn't seem..horrible though. Would it really work? Could he still talk with Johnny or the other undead by simply using a haunted board or using witchcraft?
Now that Johnny really was gone, it wouldn't hurt to try it out, right? Simon chose to use the Ouija board first as it looked easier than to learn literal black magic. And did it work? It definitely did! Except he wasn't talking to Johnnyâs spirit, instead he was talking to a fucking demon. That could also be the late Sergeant messing with him but he wasn't taking any chances of being possessed by an actual demon, he had enough demons he was fighting internally, he didn't need any more. So he turned to the last option in his book which was learning necromancy, which certainly wasn't easier.
First, he went and browsed the endless world wide web, finding tips and tricks of what you're supposed to do or not do. It was quite useful, being able to learn in the comfort of his own house was convenient. One of the few downsides of researching on the net is the fact that the internet was a cobweb of all sorts of false information, just waiting for the users to fall right into their sticky trap. Simon wasn't one of them though, he wasn't one to trust that easily, especially strangers. So he went to the public library, a place he hasn't been to in years.
It felt like he was out of place to say the least, every heavy step he took made the aged floorboards creak, earning the librarianâs stern glare every time while he nodded his head to silently apologize. So far, the most important thing he learned to keep in mind in necromancy is respect. After all, it was the undead he was disturbing. To never forget to say things like âpleaseâ and âthank youâ deemed easy enough. Sure he was a cold-hearted man, a lot of people were skeptical if he even had one in him, but he wasn't a disrespectful man. So he kept these things in mind, they were easy enough to do anyway.
So, after months of researching he finally decided to start his very first ritual. He got some chalk, some white candles to repel any negative spirit, he would've chosen to use tea candles but that wasn't the better option. Get it? Because Brits like tea? Well there were a bunch of different methods he could've used, but he chose this so it better work. He was taking this chance, the chance to speak to Johnny again, to properly say goodbye.
At last, it was time. It was the dead of night, Simon decided to perform the ritual in an abandoned building. He managed to accurately set everything up, proving that the months of studying necromancy was worth it. Then, he started the long awaited ritual. It started out smoothly, with him reciting chants and doing whatever was required for him to do. He was anticipating to hear an annoying Scottish accent to come out soon, but instead he heard..a high pitched voice? From what he could tell, it was no doubt a woman. Shit, did he just summon the spirit of an unknown dead woman? Well he had to deal with this, he can only hope it wasn't a hostile spirit. Itâs his responsibility now, he can't just shove your soul back into the afterlife.
âI was having a really good rest, ya know..â The spirit starts. âUntil a certain someone here decided to ruin it.â She glares at the masked man in front of her, making Simon feel like he was being pierced by sharp needles. âSorry, that wasn't my intention.â He states the truth, sighing when he realizes his first attempt at speaking to Johnny failed. He should clean up and get going before he pisses you off even more. So he does just that, cleaning up after himself and packing up. âHey hey, stop right there big guy.â She calls out, disappearing from where she was and reappearing right in front of him.
âYou bothered my peaceful slumber, now Iâm bothering you!â She announces proudly as if she had just said the best idea for vengeance. Okay, maybe it was because Simonâs ears were already starting to ring from your voice. âSure, go follow me or whatever.â He said with an indifferent tone, heâs been through the worst things. Things that also caused his ear to ring and rupture, so he could surely handle this. From what he could tell, you seemed like you just wanted to provoke him. That's fine, at least you meant no harm. Physically at least.
And so, you did indeed follow him. No matter the occasion, rainy or sunny, youâd be right there beside him like a pesky shadow. Unless he went to the bathroom, that's where youâd finally cross the line. You still waited for him out the door like a clingy dog though. That was when he was not deployed though, you weren't exactly aware of him being a lieutenant..Sure his room seemed very soldier-like and had remnants of proof all over but he could've been just a military enthusiast or something!
Now here he was, packing all of the essentials as he prepares for deployment while you watch him intently. âSeriously? 3-in-1 shampoo? It's not even scented!â She bitches, concerned about his hygiene routine. âIt's efficient and convenient.â He answers dryly, continuing to shove all of the necessities in his bags. âWhere are you going anyways? Vacation?â To which he scoffs at, do you really think he's bringing a pistol to a vacation? âDid the afterlife take all of your wits too? Iâm getting deployed.â
â..Deployed?â She questions. âIâm in the army.â And with that, her eyes are as wide as saucers. âExcuse me, no waitâexcuse you? And you never bothered mentioning it to me once!â Then he cuts you off. âYou never bothered to tell me your name. I think we're in pretty similar situations.â Her mouth is instantly zipped, he did have a point. âOh right..well it isn't too late to get to know each other, big guy.â
âStop calling me âbig guyâ.â âThen tell me your name. Look, Iâll even start. My name is Y/N, nice to meet you.â She starts, holding out her hand as she expects a handshake from him. Because that's how proper formal introductions start! âGhost.â He replies blankly, getting a raised eyebrow from you. âThat's it?â She sulks. âJust an alias, that's enough.â
âWhat a killjoyâ she thinks, why couldn't someone more interesting make her come to life! Like maybe a group of rebellious teens or anyone but like this âGhostâ guy! âWell then âGhostâ, let's get to know each other!â She insists. âI won't be talking to you when Iâm deployed, don't want the soldiers thinking Iâm a madman.â She whines, how much did she sin during her lifetime to deserve such dull torture? Before she could even open her mouth to complain, he spoke up. âIf you dislike haunting me then just leave.â âI can't.â She tells, and Simon has never seen you this quiet before.
âI bet I owe you some kind of explanation huh? Looks like you didn't research enough on this necromancing disturbing the dead shit.â He nodded, admitting his mistake. âWhoever awakes the undead is the only one who can put them to rest again, you have to perform another ritual for it. So if I don't stop following you, I could possibly lose you and permanently wander as a ghost forever. I don't want that, none of the undead does.â She explained, the words are hard to get out of her. While the masked man nodded in understanding, that's why she acted like she was glued to him like honey. He thought about it, it did seem pretty shitty. You can only do so much, going around as a ghost doesn't seem like the funnest thing in the world.
âI see. Just..stick by me or whatever.â There's something in him that doesn't wanna get rid of her just yet, maybe it's his conscience? Yeah, that was for sure it. It would feel like he was purposely putting someone back in their grave, the soil being used to bury them a little too familiar to other experiences. The woman blinks a few times, burning straight through his soul as she stares at him before nodding. Looks like he was in no rush to get rid of her, that's nice. Sheâll stay by his side the whole time, whether he likes it or not.
#cod fanfiction#cod fanfic#cod x reader#cod#ghost cod#simon ghost x you#simon ghost x reader#ghost riley#ghost x reader#ghost call of duty#simon ghost riley#ghost#call of duty#simon riley#simon riley x you#simon riley x reader#simon ghost fluff#simon riley cod#simon riley fluff#kind of#simon riley imagine#task force 141
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Wrath Of An Empire Review (Sci-Fi Epic!)
I recently had to go travel and read a few works that I never got around to reading but was interested in.
PLEASE REMEMBER THIS REVIEW IS DONE BY ME AS A READER AND IS MY OWN OPINION.
This means I will review in accordance to my own tastes, how the game caters to me, and what I feel. Do not take my word as gospel, what I may not be interested in or dislike, may be what YOU are interested and love!!!
@wrathofanempireif
Review;
The Good:
While I was playing, I couldn't shake the feeling that I was playing one of Hosted Games top games. It takes the formula we're familiar with Hosted Games and simply delivers what I can only describe as a modern classic in the making. And it's helped by the fact that it'll stand as one of the few sci-fi space epics out there in the IF space. Of which the author is already a part of with his The Operative project.
The story makes use of something called Soft Worldbuilding. And uses it very well, as the terms, factions, names, and even weapon systems just sound right. It also helps that alot of these can be inferred so you could have an idea of what is being talked about. They fit, and it all feels immersive. Another thing that I absolutely appreciate is the simplicity of the story and narrative itself. You can follow easily follow along, and you know what the characters are about. It is a very hard line to tread as an author, and from the advance update i was able to see, the author is pulling off so far! Take for instance minor characters like Orzo and Welf (adults who educate the MC). Their actions, behavior, and dialogue really help the reader picture what type of people they are, while still helping readers guess further into what may have happened in the past with them, something made more interesting with the galactic war happening in the background (dead family, ptsd, horrible periods in their lives before coming to the academy, etc)
Then, after the story helps set up the narrative, the issues at hand, and what choices you may have to make in the future;
NON-STOP ACTION. It felt gripping and intense, keeping me glued to the screen as I wonder what else could happen. It's there that we also see the subversion of the old trope "Useless Adults" as the guards and teachers of the academy risk their lives to bring the students to safety.
The Bad:
I wouldve liked to see more of the father and him as a person, we see from the other characters what they are, who they are, and what they may be thinking, but the father stays as "dad" the entire time. I recommend including more about the father and other similar characters so that the author can continue treading the delicate line of "simple but so good".
The Ugly:
There's several gender mistakes with the ROs, and common grammar mistakes, so par with the course of an IF project lol. I would just like to see more polish. The demo is short atm, and I cant really find faults with it that needs addressing yet, so yay!
The Aftermath:
I'd recommend this to anyone who like space fantasy stories that are sci-fi space opera-esque. I had more fun with this than I did The Operative simply for the fact of the immersion of being a student whose home was attacked by the enemy, instead of being a super soldier with a background already being semi-allocated to the MC. I really can't wait for future updates for this title!
#wrath of an empire#interactive fiction#dashingdon#hosted games#if wip#interactive novel#choicescript#choice of games#space fantasy#scifi#if review
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I saw a lot of people saying Higurama should've been there in the double page spread instead of Junpei where Yuuji is recalling people who had a lot of impact on him. The argument being, Yuuji knew Junpei for one day whereas he knew Higurama for a month. As a Junpei girlie in the year of our lord 2024, that makes me biased but I want to tackle this properly and explain why Junpei was there instead of anyone else.
Yuuji's ideas on the value of life and death
Yuuji was not randomly reminiscing about people who died. It was these characters for very specific reasons and this is attached to the dialogue bubbles. These bubbles express his previous assumptions, and what he learned from them.
It starts with Yuuji's grandpa, Wasuke- his memory is attached to Yuuji thinking people have assigned roles. Wasuke was the first to give Yuuji a role. He enrolls as a Jujutsu Sorcerer because Wasuke told him to save people and Yuuji thought if he fulfilled this role, he'd have a good death.
The 'good death' is then linked to Junpei. Prior to meeting Junpei, Yuuji placed an emphasis on people dying "good deaths". This meant respectable and moral deaths where peoples lives were not tampered with. With Junpei, Yuuji failed at saving him (what Wasuke asked of him), and at giving him a proper death (the thing Yuuji wanted to give as a bare minimum). This was a double whammy where Yuuji properly understood the kind of world he has entered.
Then we transition to Yuuji realizing there is no such thing as "good death". Todo in Shibuya had pointed out to Yuuji that he keeps thinking about the meaning and logic to death so much he's disrespecting those who did die. This post here by @linkspooky (hello, sorry for tagging you, you don't need to read this mess, I just wanted to cite and link to your theories because they were fun to read) has a big section about how Yuuji sees things in terms of 'story' and 'roles'. Therefore for him, 'death' must have some significance too and he tries to assign meaning to Junpei's death as a coping mechanism.
But this ENTIRELY falls apart because one death? Yeah he can assign meaning to one guy, but everyone he knew and treasured were falling like flies. What significance could he give to Nanami and Nobara's death, who were also killed by Mahito? What of Shibuya? Yuuji heard Todo saying "don't dwell on the death of others, that would be trivializing their life and what they were, and don't drag yourself down" to further enforce his ideology of himself playing a "role".
Yes, Nanami and Nobara died meaninglessly, but Yuuji blamed his inability to perform his 'role' right in this 'system'. He dug deeper into the mentality of being one small part of this big thing and diminished his own significance to nothing.
BUT.
In 265, Yuuji has realized that is not the case and he says that over Nanami and Nobara. These two characters arguably had the most mundane dreams and reasons for being sorcerers. Nanami dreamed of a peaceful life and got back to sorcery to do something useful he didn't think a corporate job could provide- he felt himself to be contributing more to making lives better by being a sorcerer but ultimately he wanted to just, be happy.
While Yuuji sees being a sorcerer as being a 'hero' and as a somewhat noble profession about saving lives, Nobara DID NOT. For her, this is a 9-5 job. She took this on because it paid, she was good at it, and gave her the freedom to be herself. Over Nobara, we see Yuuji saying "just walking your dog and raising your family are also decent roles" (fingers crossed the translation is fine). Nobara wanted to go shopping, dress nice, explore the city of Tokyo, be independent and free of scrutiny. These aren't particularly lofty goals like "save everyone" but Yuuji didn't realize how much value these goals have until now. Her dying words were "it wasn't too bad" which probably made no fucking sense to Yuuji because she died young, horribly, needlessly. How could it be "not too bad" when she didn't get to do much at all?
He was so fixated on giving meaning to death and fulfilling some higher purpose he forgot that little things matter and these people are independent and unique individuals. That's when we see Choso, who lived and died because he simply loved his brothers, nothing about saving the world or anything. Yuuji's final statement that small fragments of memory and happiness gives value is said over Gojo. Gojo who's been the center of fucking everything. Gojo who is the strongest and most powerful. Gojo who's been assigned the lynchpin of sorcerer society and whose mere birth caused upheaval in the strength of sorcerers and cursed spirits. Yuuji realizes he remembers Gojo not for his power or his death but for the little moments they shared together.
Junpei's there, because he was the first person whose death he somehow tried to justify in his head. He was kinda making it about himself instead of seeing Junpei as an independent person. Linkspooky also made a great post about how Yuuji didn't really try to listen to Junpei as a person. He saw him as someone to be saved, or someone to be stopped until the last few minutes. All of these people he is remembering are people who taught him a vital lesson the first time around and were a huge turning point.
Higurama absolved Yuuji of his guilt and told him he shouldn't blame himself, and that is very significant, but Yuuji isn't talking about himself in this scene. He is talking about his changed perspective on the value of ALL life. These people he's thinking about have made him reconsider his perspective on his role with respect to others, which is why it's Junpei instead of Higurama.
Span of Time
Junpei and Yuuji knew each other for a day, two days if you're being generous. He shouldn't matter so much.
Aside from the trauma of seeing someone you conversed with and seemed to get along with die a horrible death while asking "why?" (ah i believe this might be where Yuuji started trying to give meaning to death), time doesn't really matter in terms of impact.
Geto and Gojo knew Riko for about 4 days, but Riko's death was Geto's tipping point into entering his corruption arc. Geto and Gojo knew each other properly for about two years. The remaining ten were spent not having seen each other at all (based on canon, I am all for them meeting up in secret in headcanons). But for Gojo, Geto is still someone very important. ChosoYuki knew each other for a couple of days too.
I think bringing up how time passes in real life is kind of useless in fiction. Practically speaking, Gojo should've then moved on from Geto a long, long time ago and his feelings about him should have diminished. Gojo also should've managed to get past his issues about Toji but he clearly still has some trauma and issues related to him. Yuuji knew all these people for about 4-6 months yet he is so traumatized by all of their deaths. It's less about "how long did they know each other?" and more about the narrative relevance of these characters in their life. After Sukuna, Mahito was Yuuji's biggest villain, and this was setup USING Junpei.
Similarly, though Riko and Haibara weren't really present in the manga for long, they served to highlight the exploitative nature of sorcerer society.
I know people like to mock Gege and the general fandom is already very weirdly hateful of Junpei, but Gege is very good at conveying meaning and themes through his characters. It was Junpei for a reason. JJK is a story that makes you, as a reader, introspect about things. I think this dismissal of Junpei, calling Megumi 'useless' and the general atmosphere where there's an emphasis on power rather than anything else is a really fruitless way of consuming JJK and I hope people learn to curiously ask why a writing decision has been taken, instead of coming at it with own assumptions and priorities.
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to make things brief cause I suck at organizing what I have to say, the live action was definitely Somethingâ˘.
Cast: 10/10 kinda biased personally but yall can't take this from me
Gordon as Aang and Dallas as Zuko were the standouts imo. Gordon needs some direction on line delivery and the angstier scenes but overall he's very charming and I'm so proud of him for getting so much exposure!
Ian as Sokka was great, I just wish he was allowed to be more...messy? like Sokka pretends to be chill and all that but he's actually dramatic so I hope that gets improved in the next season if there is one
speaking of improvement, Kiawentiio as Katara brought out a softer side to the character but sadly diminished her spark and passion. I like that Katara now actually feels like a younger sister, it makes sense within the context of the story that Sokka and Gran Gran would shelter her after what happened, but as someone said, her anger is so central to her character and I just wish that got shown more. It's more of a script and direction problem tbh, if you look at Kia's interviews she has the sass and feistiness Katara needs
Lizzy as Azula is great, the writing is a bit clunky though so she did the best she could with it. Can't really comment on Mai and Ty Lee yet because they're kinda just there but it's a nice setup
Maria as Suki? perfection show stopping never the same she is a queen and I love the tidbit of Suki backstory which she never really had in the og show. I love her being such a loser around her crush we love to see girlfailures girlfailing. I wish the writers didn't make them KISS though đ slowburn ftw
the adults were great
Writing: 6.5/10
There were genuinely good moments and I love the concept of mixing up certain plot points to condense the story
But they just suffered from too much Telling instead of Showing WRITERS PLEASE LISTEN TO THE CRITICISM YOU HAVE TIME TO IMPROVE PLEASE
Omashu, mechanist, and Jet plot mixing as a concept was fine, but it dragged on and my friends and I got bored of it. I like it in theory but if it was going to take THAT long couldn't they have just separated one of those storylines for a different episode?
I appreciate that they tried to develop the water siblings' relationship by making them the stars of the Secret Tunnels, but I would've changed the way they "conquered" the problem (really? badgermoles respond to love? cute in theory but like why). If anyone's watched Barbie: A Fairy Secret there's a part where Barbie and her frenemy accuse each other of why their friendship failed, and it helps them make up and breaks the curse put on them. So that's what I would've done, force them in a life or death situation in which they have to say the unsaid things, maybe hug it out and boom
The way they handled Koh and the Spirit World was a Mess⢠but the effects were decent
Zhao meeting horrible ends in every incarnation is so deserved
Yue having more agency was a welcome change AND I LOVE THAT SHE WATERBENDS. Then waterbends even when the moon is gone. It's such a nice visual nod to the fact that she has the moon spirit within her
That said, the show could definitely use more visual storytelling, less weird dialogue. Like it's so strangely common for shows or adaptations these days to exposition dump. Like they did not have to make Yue say that the ocean spirit was angry, literally just show me the dead moon fish and I'll get the idea. Then Iroh says "That's Wrath" that's just redundant now isn't it
I like that they saved Katara bringing Aang out of the Avatar State until last even if it could've been done better
HOW DARE THEY MAKE ME LIKE HAHN HE WAS A JERK IN THE SHOW BUT THEY MADE HIM A GENUINELY GOOD CHARACTER. Yes to brown men not being portrayed as jerks but also in the original it was a nice contrast to how far Sokka had come because Hahn reflected who he used to be. But live action Hahn </3
I like that they showed the deaths and blood. I wanted a live action that was both lighthearted but more realistic when it came to the injuries and death, and that'd kind of what I got
Other thoughts + overall
You can tell they put so much heart into this show, watching the bts, the bending boot camp with the correct martial arts, the easter eggs, the nods to the comics, the beautiful adaptations of Cabbage Merchant and Secret Tunnel nomads, there's so much passion behind the show it's a shame it suffered in its writing
which is why if they read reviews and criticism from the bigger name fans (TheAvatarist, HelloFutureMe, etc.) it would really help them improve for future seasons! The cast is stunning already and they have great chemistry (hopefully gets improved too!)
The live action is just a different angle to the show. And I'm saying this as an Avatar fanâthe original wasn't perfect, either. I had some problems w it but the overall show was genuinely so good and heartfelt, those problems weren't glaring enough to put me off (unlike The Dragon Prince, sorry). The live action definitely wasn't perfect, but it tried to give us a new look into Avatar. Again, no adaptation will ever be a 1:1 remake and none should be. Where's the fun in that? But while the show is so full of heart and with actual fans working behind the scenes, I doubt if they listen to any criticism that they can't pull this off better next season.
#atla#avatar the last airbender netflix#avatar netflix#netflix avatar#avatar the last airbender#netflix atla#avatar live action#aang#katara#sokka#zuko#iroh#azula
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The Pathologic Russian and English analysis: Clara Saburova the Changeling.
Time is a flat circle, similar to a frisbee, and the world is using it to wack me repeatedly on the head with it. So anyway, I finally got my shit together and made another addition to this madness project. This time including images of both English and Russian text. Let us begin
Itâs a bit⌠difficult to pin down what kind of person Clara is in the English translation - partially because you donât always know for sure which Clara youâre talking to, as well as the fact that she is, most of the time, an obstacle. She seems to shift between âmean child whoâs acting like she hasnât learned about empathy yetâ, âkind earnest and trying her bestâ, and âominously inhuman and deceivingâ. This is, obviously, because of Claraâs main schtick - the fact that thereâs two of them (and also because she knows a lot more than the two other healers). Most of the time, however, she comes across as someone with either good or dubious intentions. Itâs like sheâs trying to help (or acting like sheâs trying to help), but things keep going horribly wrong. Since weâre not playing as her, we donât get nearly as much insight into how frightened she is and how shaky and unstable her current situation is, so she is judged by both of the healers in a very harsh way. She seems a bit verbose for a kid/teenager, however that is nothing out of the ordinary in the town on Gorkhon. Her lines, a lot of the time are either indirect or very direct jabs, so there is an impression that she thinks she is smarter than the other two and is quite fed up with them. Itâs difficult to say much else about it without getting into specifics, so here we go.
As the bachelor: Clara only gets interactions on days 3, 6, 11, and 12. You might think that that would make it difficult to write about her, but wow did they put so much stuff in the very few conversations she gets to have with Daniil. There is a level of consistency between how she speaks in English and Russian here, though she seems a bit more earnest in this campaign. Like sheâs trying to help, but she also thinks that Dankovsky is unable to receive the help sheâs trying to give. Or unwilling. Mainly, however, in Russian there is a very weird quality to her way of speaking that Iâm not quite sure carries over well to English. See, (and this is where it gets the tiniest bit anecdotal) Iâve had my fair share of hearing religious talk in Russian (but not in English, which is why Iâm not sure if this is even a valid point) - Iâve been to orthodox churches, and in general Christianity is very largely propagated in the part of Russia I grew up in. So I, like presumably many others, am familiar with the very distinct way that religious figures speak. It sounds ancient, but not the same âfairy taleâ ancient that I talked about before. Instead of changing the sentence structure, they utilise more biblical words in places where any other person would use regular modern words. Best way I can explain it is how someone might say âtâisâ instead of âit isâ but like⌠Religious? âForâ instead of âbecause.â And that is the tone that Clara takes on sometimes. It meshes really well with her âdivine messengerâ persona, even though she still acts like a child every now and then. Itâs a very unique combination that gives her way of speaking a distinct sound that exists outside of time. Overall, however, the translation was pretty close to the original Russian version, so letâs look at where these two diverge.
Whatâs a little weird to me here is that umm⌠This is the conversation Daniil has with Clara on day 3 about the Taglur and when I read this in English I was a little confused, because it sounds like the Bachelor is asking a question about Claraâs plans for making a new world or whatevsies, but⌠This dialogue option is one of those that immediately ends the conversation, which didnât make sense to me at all. In Russian itâs a bit more akin to âAnd whoâs bright idea was it to place this miracle here?â (or literally âto whose head did the idea to place this miracle here come?â A bit more confusing, but yeah) See, the word here for âmiracleâ is âŃŃĐ´Đžâ (pronounced smth like âchoodoâ), which can mean miracle or wonder, but can also be a shorthand for âŃŃдиŃĐľâ or âŃŃдОвиŃĐľâ which is a word used to describe monsters. You know. Wonder-creatures. In this context, the word âŃŃĐ´Đžâ when aimed towards a person (Clara) is meant to signify someone either ugly, eccentric or nonsensical. So to sum up, the best way to understand this line is âWhoâs bright idea was it to bring this weirdo here?â in which case⌠Yeah, I can definitely see why that would end the dialogue.
Hereâs a fun little thing: Iâve mentioned before how the Haruspex defines Clara in very vague terms. Here, when the Changeling (the real one, guys, trust me) is asking the Bachelor to deal with the Changeling pretending to be her(yeah, go figure), in English she calls her a âloathsome creatureâ. However, in Russian she calls her (according to Google translate) an âabominationâ, âfilthâ or (in my own translation) âgrossnessâ, which - you guessed it - is indeed a very vague term. Regardless of who you think is talking to the Bachelor at the moment, itâs still very interesting to see, for various reasons. She also does this later in the dialogue (and the English translation ignores it again)
More out of the same dialogue tree where the Bachelor is trying to get Claraâs blood. Iâve made a point in the analysis of the Bachelor from the Changelingâs perspective, where he calls her âdarlingâ where the original was something like âsweet/dear creatureâ and almost had a sombre mood to it. In this one, however, it is the complete opposite. Not only does the word he uses here actually translate the best to âdarlingâ (or dove), but it also has the same kind of ironic connotation to it as I mentioned. In this particular scenario he almost sounds⌠Thuggish? The words he uses, as well as the use of the â-каâ sounds similar to the snarky, confrontational way that thugs and bandits speak in cartoons. Something like âcâmere, dearâ that makes it clear youâre about to get beaten up.
Two things here: firstly, in this dialogue line Clara refers to Daniil using the informal version of âyouâ, while the lines said by the Changeling whose blood he doesnât get uses the formal version. In the interaction on day 3 Clara doesnât address him directly at all, but I think in other dialogues she also addresses him informally (It isnât surprising to see Clara address Daniil of all people informally, because not only does she see herself as, at least in part, a tool of divine whatevertheheck, she also rightfully believes that he is an idiot. She does not need to be polite to the stupidest man this side of the Gorkhon (I say this lovingly, of course).
Secondly though, Iâd like to point out the way Daniil talks to her in here, because when I did my analysis of his lines I talked about how the English translation dials down the intensity of the stuff he says. This here is a prime example, as the Russian version is not only more curt, but also uses a much more cutting insult. Of course, people are well aware of the Russian languageâs rich curse word vocabulary, but it also has the wonderful capability of making non-curse words sound like the most humiliating thing ever. I think maybe itâs the way Russian combines rolled ârâs and multiple consonants (which is less prominent in English) that allows its words to have that added weight to it. Here he calls her essentially âtrashâ, specifically - something thatâs been so torn up and worn out that it's become useless. The way the word rolls off the tongue when you say it out loud is almost like a spit in the face, and itâs not softened by calling her âlittleâ or anything. He calls her trash. How dare.
Iâm bringing this up because it has me genuinely confused? The English version makes sense, or so I thought until I read the Russian version? Because the Russian version kinda states the opposite. It says âYou canât come up with a better knife for this than a conversation - of course, only if youâre in a hurry.â Which is very different from âunless youâre in a hurryâ because those meanings are like⌠The opposite? The English implying that a conversation is a good way to see whatâs going on in her soul, but the Russian one alluding to the fact that itâs only good if youâre in a hurry? Or is she agreeing to give her blood because they donât have time for a conversation? I donât know. Iâm confused. Help.
I think the metanarratives of pathologic are very cool, so when I read this line in English I got really excited, because I thought it might be implying that Clara is aware of the fact that the player may have died a few times during the bachelor route alone (similar to how she calls the other healers her past or future). Then I realised that it simply couldâve meant âdyingâ as in being close to death. Then I got excited again, because I thought the Russian version might elucidate the issue for me. And⌠I think I was right? I think she implies here that Daniil has died several times, although it was probably just left vague for this specific purpose. Either way, the fact that it can be read this way and was probably worded like this just to confuse the players (and reward those who may have been on the lookout for it) is really cool to me. Also in response to that (where in English Daniil says Clara has âa shrewd eye for human conditionâ) he calls her a psychologist, and then brushes her off as trying to charm him, which means we donât get to gauge the meaning of what she was saying through his response either.
This one has a couple of fun differences. Firstly, instead of referring to the town in its âtrue formâ Clara refers to saving it âthe way that the town turned out.â This, to me, is a slight difference that paints the contradictory nature of the town in a different light. The English version claiming that itâs the townâs âtrueâ form almost makes it seem like a design from an outside force, both bringing up vibes of intelligent design and the fact that the town was made this exact way by the children. The Russian versionâs implication that the town âturned outâ this way has a more ânature is a chaotic force with no purposeâ vibe to it, that would more suit a person unaware of the whole âweâre dolls for a childrenâs game inside of a video gameâ thing. Maybe Iâve just gotten used to being picky about the tiniest word choices because of my studies, but I feel like this difference changes the overall vibe. Like painting with the same colour but using a different brush.
Secondly, in Russian Clara calls Aglayaâs mission âsimply a performance for foolsâ which to me is a wonderful choice of words, given all the theatre themes included in the gameplay.
Iâve kind of set a precedent where I make all of these âtranslation differencesâ have some sort of significant meaning for the narrative, but I just think this one is genuinely cool? Itâs a bit of a âsame colour, different brushâ situation, where the sentiment is the same, but the word choice carries a different vibe. Focusing on the last sentence here, the Changeling specifically says âYou were supposed to bribe him with your honestyâ instead of âget at himâ. And I just think thatâs neat, because like. I always thought of âgetting at someoneâ as like⌠An attack or provocation? But âbribingâ someone has a bit more of that slimy vibe, which clashes with âhonestyâ so well, and⌠I guess itâd technically be an oxymoron.
During the conversation in regards to Clara acknowledging Maria as a mistress, in the Russian version she frequently switches between formal and informal âyousâ when talking to the Bachelor. However, as it becomes clear here, this is an instance in which instead of a sign of respect, it seems that she is referring to several people at the same time. Namely, that she is directing her words both at Daniil and Artemy. During the Bachelorâs campaign she seems to think that the Haruspex is a lost cause and they seemingly donât interact (and she even believes that he is dead during this day), so I doubt she actually ever spoke to him about this. Itâs interesting then that she still tries to convince the Bachelor, even though she often calls him a fool. Makes you wonder what the differences are between this scenario and the Changeling campaign (in which she can invite Artemy to the Cathedral on the final day fully knowing that he chooses to stay oblivious).
Hereâs some silly Clara on day 12 (right after giving a whole speech about the Polyhedron) and I just wanted to point out this very fun change. Instead of saying âpretty faceâ she instead says âПОŃĐ´Đ°Ńкаâ (pronounced âmordashkaâ) which is a diminutive of âПОŃĐ´Đ°â (âmorda) which is usually the word people use to refer to an animalâs face. Except it can also be used to refer to a personâs face if youâre calling them ugly. The addition of the diminutive adds a little mischievous tone to it, which turns it from ugly into a âcuteâ kind of thing. Like⌠Derpy, I guess. Anyways, I think itâs absolutely hilarious that Clara says that while also talking about the eldritch concept of being a multitude of people, or perhaps just one person controlled by the will of different people at different times (which they all are, by the way).
Big difference here that I found absolutely odd as in why they cut it out of the English version? This is from the âdid you know we are toys?â dialogue tree and if you look carefully, youâll see that thereâs a bit here in Russian that for some reason wasnât included in the English version. The last sentence after Clara says that she has an advantage. She adds âand I intend to use it.â Which like⌠I feel to someone who hasnât played patho before would sound antagonistic, but to those who know - this is a direct indication to how it feels like playing as Clara in the campaign. You know a lot more about the game and the characters from other campaigns. And you already know that the kids are there and that they are toys. While playing you use all this knowledge to your advantage to play the game better. So yeah, donât know why they cut that out of the translation.
Alright, I think thatâs about all Iâve got for Claraâs role in the Bachelorâs campaign. Iâd say the biggest differences that I notice is, of course, the biblical language (which I didnât get good examples of unfortunately, but the whole âyour eyes are white for you are blindâ is a good example) and the subtle ways in which the words Clara uses hint to her knowledge of what is going on. As always, itâs something thatâs also present in the English version, but there are also things that are characteristic to the Russian language that allow her to break the fourth wall. Like, with the change to a formal âyouâ we can get a bit more clarity on whether the Clara weâre talking to is real or not. With the specific verbs she uses we can almost see the outline of a false bottom to everything she says and I think thatâs really cool. Outside of the translations, I think it is genuinely fascinating to get a better glimpse into Claraâs story during the Bachelor campaign - I feel like if we got more of her, it would give the whole game away. In what she says already, talking about the wills behind her, behind the Bachelor (although she does count Artemy as part of the âspecial toysâ camp, she always says it with such disappointment. Cuz she compares herself to him, but is also frustrated that he refuses to get it) she alludes to being aware of not only the stagehands, but also the player and the power that they have. Itâs also really cool because you can almost compare her to Aglaya, what with all the knowledge, sacrifice, and being doomed by the narrative. Except Claraâs approach is entirely different, although itâs difficult to glimpse through her frequently changing attitude. They both know âthe Lawâ, both talk about how miracles should not be captured - except Aglaya seeks to undo what has been done, while Clara wants to forge ahead, accept the changes as part of the world. They both seek to fix whatâs wrong, but what to them is considered âfixingâ is so directly opposed that they have to destroy each other. I donât know. I just think that both of them are really cool characters that totally donât make me wanna scream, cry, and throw up, and you know⌠They deserve just as much love and obsessive analysis as the men in the story (speaking of which, in one of the dialogue trees where Clara talks about Block essentially becoming a crusader she can also admit that she knows itâs not true and that heâs also doomed, but she feels so bad about it that she pretends that he isnât. And who knows, with a miracle worker like her it might just become the truth).
Also I'm thinking of maybe at one point or another making a name pronunciation, meaning, nickname, and literary references guide? Idk, sounds like it'd be fun.
I feel like a weird little bog creature whenever I emerge with one of these. Have fun and remember to engage your critical thinking skills, fact check, and let the media you encounter change you (be it through vulnerability or empowerment) instead of just being fodder for your consumption.
#pathologic#pathologic classic hd#ĐźĐžŃ ŃŃОпиŃ#ramblings#clara saburova#daniil dankovsky#we're at 26 pages yipeee#madness project
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Villisca Axe Murder House
⼠Back to the Control Center
⼠Nate Hardy Masterlist
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Nate Hardy x fem!medium(?) reader
Summary: You decide to test yourself with this investigation of the place of the gruesome octuple murders... you've yet to deside if that was a horrible idea yet.
Word Count: 5.2k
Warnings: gore, murder, child murder, hauntings, language, probably an inaccurate spirit box session, inconsistent capitalization, my usual grammar warning, and for this fic in particular, I recomend you watch the video before to brush up on your knowlege of what this video exactly was. I will be mentioning some of the research and background, but I will not be going into detail and will be skiping most of the info sections. This is because, due to the sensitivity of this particular haunting and the details surrounding it, it didn't feel right to add it here in this way.
Dialogue Key:
Y/N
Nate
Sam
Colby
Seth
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It was dark by the time the boys realized they hadn't made the intro to their video yet. So, even though it would have to go about 15 minutes into the video, they decided to record their usual greeting by the wooden sign for tonight's location.Â
"What's up guys, it's Sam and Colby"
"Tonight we are at one of the most, spooky, haunted houses in the United States, the Villisca Axe murder house"
Sam stepped behind the camera, showing the two guests fade in from the dark behind the sign, "Today we got Nate, Seth," he spins around to where you were, still messing with the car. Not too long ago, you all got pulled over for a light being out, just to find out the light was fine.
You stepped forward when you heard your blonde friend, waving both hands at the camera with a wide smile.Â
"and Y/N!"
You stepped further - abandoning the weird occurrence with the car, slightly irritated about the ticket you got for what seems to be, no reason - and join the group instead.Â
"Right now we start a night alone, in this house. We are about to tell you, guys, one of the most insane murder mysteries I've ever heard of."
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Usually, haunted places didn't have the best energy surrounding them, but that was hardly unusual. The difference between this house and the others was the sheer intensity of the feeling. When entering a location, you usually could tell it was haunted due to the emotions you picked up on.
First of all, there would be way too many, feeling as if you were in a crowded street rather than an empty house.
Secondly, no matter what feeling there was - of a spirit or a residual haunting - there was a layer of grief, sadness, or pain floating above it all. It was hard to explain, but it was almost as if no matter the emotion you picked up on, there was a layer over top of it, a veil of anguish covering all.Â
This house, felt as if you entered an ice bath.
It was intense and strong, the light feeling that you'd come to associate with the dead surging up through your veins in intense amounts. The coldness of the spiritual atmosphere so extreme, it caused a physical chill to rise through your bones. The change from so drastic, You almost stumbled walking through the door.Â
Nate noticed. he knew all your quirks by now, and the shiver that racked your body the moment you entered took him by surprise. The shock, quickly vanished when he realized that whatever the intensity he felt in the house, you felt a hundred times over.Â
He moved to stand behind you, slipping off his jacket and draping it over your form. He couldn't tell if you were cold, if it was the shift, or both, but he hoped that it would give you a sense of comfort no matter what.
You jumped a little when he did so, startled out of the light trance you fell in, trying to pinpoint exactly where in the house the feelings originated. You turned, smiling up at him as you pulled the jacket tighter around yourself.Â
Unlike the boys, this was your first time in the house. you'd opted out of the tours earlier that day, having a sudden urge to stay out of the home... only wanting to stay in there for as little as you had to.
You were able to brush it off easily, Sam and Colby were so interested in your "gifts" that they quickly agreed when you told them the reason you didn't want to go with them on the tour was so you could test your abilities later, seeing if you could figure it out with no prior knowledge.Â
Soon, all the boys had entered the room, including Colby who was currently operating the camera.Â
"So Y/N" Sam spoke, rubbing his hands together with a slight smile on his face, "What do ya' think so far?"
"Well," you sighed, bouncing slightly on the balls of your feet, using it as a way to release the feeling of the excess energies surrounding you, "It's a very strong feeling, not like anything I've ever felt before." your eyebrows crinkled slightly, trying to figure out the best way to explain it exactly. "You know when like, you have an overload of feelings? and you can't tell if you are angry or sad or upset?" the boys all nodded. "it's like that, but heavier and darker, it's almost suffocating if I'm honest." you laughed off the last bit, hoping to dispel the intense looks from the other boys.
"Yeah, that makes sense." Colby nodded, "The house is known to have a particularly dark feeling associated with it."
"Yeah, yeah, I could even feel it when we were just doing the tour earlier," Seth added.Â
Sam, meanwhile, just looked incredibly excited about the whole endeavor. As previously explained, he was probably the most interested in your abilities and was excited whenever something happened with them. "Well, in that case anywhere you think we should check out?"Â
You laughed softly, "Well, I don't really know anything about the layout of the home or which room is which," you trailed off walking across the room and toward a doorway, approaching the stairs, "but I'm thinking upstairs? I don't know, it seems to be stronger? I guess? the closer I get to them."Â
You were still facing the stairs, so you'd yet to see the wide-eyed looks from all the boys-- well, all save for Nate. He'd gotten used to it spending more time with you and knew how good you were at figuring things like this out. So, while all the boys looked surprised he just stood there, looking incredibly smug and proud.Â
"I don't know" you shrugged, always one to doubt things like this. After all, it could just be your nerves tainting whatever you thought you were sensing, "I could be wrong though."
"No, no you're right" Sam rushed excitedly, looking at the door, "The killer would've come in here" he walked over standing beside you, "and would've immediately gone up these steps."Â
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It was clear after a bit more information was revealed to you why Nate was acting so strange in this house, and it was all because of one particular suspect who was said to be around the house, Reverend Kelly. Â
Usually, while the boys were talking about the facts and explaining details to the viewers, you would be able to wander a little. You couldn't see or hear spirits speak like other mediums, but you were able to pick up on emotions.
So, you would take this little bit of time to follow these emotions around the house until you found the specific spot they came from. You'd also use your knowledge of such emotions and energies to help the boys with where to investigate first, and where to steer clear from. However, it didn't seem like you would be doing that tonight.
You tried to walk off almost immediately after you'd gained your bearings from the initial energy shift, trying to walk up the stairs as Sam continues to explain the story in the first room of the house. You were quickly stopped by Nate, who just shook his head as he pulled you closer to him, wrapping his arms around you from behind, chest pressed against your back as you both faced Sam.Â
You looked upward, eyebrows furrowed in confusion, "What are you doing?" you whispered, "I was just going to go check things out" You cut yourself off when you saw the grimace on his face, "Is something wrong?"Â
He would've explained it all to you then since you hadn't heard earlier, but he decided against it, knowing that they'd get to it when they were upstairs in the kid's room. The explanation there would be a million times better than whatever quick filler he could give to you then while Sam was explaining the main story of the home. So instead, he simply shook his head, "You'll hear about it later."
And hear about it later you did. When the group migrated upstairs, you understood perfectly.
It all made sense why Nate wanted to keep you in his sights at all times, why he always seemed to be hugging you from behind, or wrapping his arm around your shoulders.
The Reverend was far from holy and was one of the most corrupt ministers you'd ever had the displeasure of learning about. To sum it up, he had a love for women and a history of doing anything to quench his lust.Â
You, just so happened to be the only woman in the house.Â
If it was even possible, your stomach dropped further than it already was and you felt sicker than you already had.
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A few minutes later, the summary tour for the viewers was over and you all gathered in a room to begin the investigation, the EMF pump turned on and equipment ready to go.Â
The spirits seemed ready to communicate as well, seeing as things started going off before the camera was ever rolling. Namely, the toy you all found in the laundry basket and the cat ball placed in the closet.Â
"Can I request something insane for later?" you asked, watching as each piece of equipment by the closet seemed to go off, "Can we try the Estes method in the closet later tonight?"Â
Everyone turned, all the boys looking at you like you were crazy.Â
"Yeah... I don't know about that-" Colby spoke up, apprehension clear in his voice as Sam and Seth nodded along.Â
"We were just talking about how dangerous that closet has been" Nate chimed in cutting off the others.Â
"Well to be fair... that was because they admitted they were trying to provoke it" you shrugged, "who knows, we might get something good. especially since it seems to be pretty active in the past."
Nate looked wary, his lips pulled in a tight wince unsure of what to say, "I don't know..."
"I mean I'll do it" you spoke nonchalantly looking at the rest of the boys, "Just thought it may be a good idea."Â
Then the cat ball in the closet went off.
"Looks like they agree" Colby laughed unsure of the situation, and quite frankly a little freaked out. The cat balls usually didn't go off at all, but they seemed to be going off constantly here and they barely even started.Â
Then the REM pod in the doorway also started going off.Â
"It's pointing toward the ball" Colby shouted, quickly whipping the camera back and forth, showing the clear path the equipment was starting to make.Â
You were beginning to regret offering to sit in that closet, senses diluted, and in the dark for that Estes session later.Â
"Should we put it in the closet-" Sam began to ask, stopping himself short and looking back at all of you with wide eyes, "it just changed directions"Â
"Do you think it wants us to follow it?"
Sam moved to make a step toward the device and it immediately stopped. Â
"Dude it stopped as soon as you said it" Seth spoke, equal parts excitement and astonishment in his voice.Â
Nate just stood there, smiling in disbelief and rubbing his forehead with one arm as the other was wrapped tightly around your waist. his grip tightened slightly each time a piece of equipment went off.Â
"Oh my god! It wants us to go upstairs!" Sam yelled, realisation strung across his features, "Johnny literally said-"
"Right now?"
"Johny said that 90% of the activity happens upstairs."
"You said do you want us to follow it..."
"That's the only time it left the room," you spoke over the boys dragging Nate behind you as you approached the doorway, "it's telling us to follow it, so I think we should go while it wants to talk to us."
"If there's something here, we're goin"
"We're listening"
You led the group, Sam and Colby tailing the back.
You made your way up the stairs, no real destination in your mind other than 'up'. At the sight of a room not that far ahead, your first thought was to go there... until you felt something guiding you elsewhere.Â
You tilted your head, pivoting slightly away from that room and walking further down the hall. The air felt more electric here and it only seemed to get stronger the more you progressed down the hall. You recoiled at a sharp chill that went down your spine.
This room. This is the one to go to next.Â
You turned, facing Nate outside the room, cutting him off before he could ask the question you already knew he would ask, "I'm fine, just a weird feeling" you shrugged off, "Anyway, what's this room? Is it important?"Â
He was smirking when he realized where you'd lead them, "Are you sure you didn't do any research before?" He walked past you, entering the unfinished room, "Babe this is the attic"
He spoke with so much emphasis and with so little explanation you swore he was making fun of you. Like, 'Oh wow, of all the places in the haunted murder building you brought us to the attic, not you know, the place of the crime.'Â
Which you totally understood. You weren't quite sure why it felt so weird in the attic either. Maybe it was because it was an older house and falling through a modern home's attic was a legitimate possibility.Â
You crossed your arms over your chest in irritation, adding in a dramatic eye roll for effect as your boyfriend continued to hop around the unfurnished room. "Yeah, I see that Nate. The lack of real walls and crummy floors really sell that. Come on, let's just go to one of the rooms or something-"
"No, babe" he moved forward, grabbing your arm and pulling you into the attic space, "This is where they think the killer was hiding."
Colby entered the attic after the two of you, the rest of the group being slightly behind the two of you. The tree of you searching the space with the help of your phone's flashlights while Sam and Seth set up the equipment on the landing.Â
You had ventured to a further back part of the attic when Sam called from outside the door, the faint sound of the REM pod accompanied his words "Yo guys!"Â
Nate and Colby were closer to the door and entered the hall quicker than you could from the back.Â
Sam saw you coming toward the door to leave but motioned for you to wait a minute gesturing down at the music box, which was facing into the attic. You understood immediately, stepping to the side out of the range of the doorway.
You were still pretty far back in the attic and it would take you a second to reach the door. It needed to be tested now, and it would be much easier to test if a spirit was actually messing with the equipment if you didn't run the risk of accidentally setting it off or decalibrating the device as you exited the room. Â
As soon as the music box was turned on the music began to play alongside the REM pod.
"It's pointing to the attic!" Colby exclaimed, showing the bright green light facing the doorway through the camera.
"The theory he could've been in the attic" Seth rushed with wide eyes.
Nate looked toward the camera to elaborate, voice raised a little to make sure you could also hear the information from the other side of the wall, "So this is one of the areas the killer might have been hiding. It's either here or the barn."
"If the killer was in the attic can you make one of these devices stop?"
The two devices dwindled, both completely stopping after a few minutes.Â
You didn't hear any of the conversations, only being able to make out a few muffled words from where you stood to make sure you didn't accidentally trigger the device. The only thing you heard clearly was Nate explaining what he'd already told you.Â
But, at the same time that Sam had asked for the spirit to turn off the devices if he was in the attic, you started hearing a different form of communication. A steady series of knocks on the wood panel behind your head.Â
If you'd known any better, you would've realized the pattern in which the taps came. four, one, three, one. over and over.
Which, just so happened to be the series for the word 'here' in Morse code.Â
It was after you heard the faint noise of the equipment stop that you spoke up. "C-can I come out now?"Â
"Yeah, sorry about that Y/N"
Nate stuck his head in the doorway, sticking out his arm to help you out. It took him all of half a second to recognize the slight panic on your face and the white-knuckled grip you held on the sleeves of his jacket- which you still wore. "You alright?"
"Uh" you spoke louder so everyone could hear, "I don't really know what you guys were talking about, but there was some pretty constant- uh- knocking in there..."
"Oh my god- you're joking-"
"No shot"
"Are you serious"Â
You simply nodded, glancing between the four of them until Sam decided to fill you in, "Y/N... we just asked it if the killer was in the attic."
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For the next several minutes, you and the boys tried to come up with reasonable explanations for the equipment to be going off like it had been.Â
After confirming that there was no way to debunk it, the group concluded that the equipment was guiding you all on a tour, retracing the steps the killer made.Â
At least, until you made it to the kid's bedroom, where none of the equipment was going off at all.Â
Colby turned to the REM pod placed on one of the beds, "Do you want us to leave?"Â
and for the first time in that room, a piece of equipment went off.Â
Sam stood staring at the device, "And look where it's pointing"
"Outside."
None of you freaked out, all of you were shocked into silence. Five minutes of trying to communicate in this room, and it only went off when you mentioned leaving.
Sam moved to collect the equipment when Seth spoke up, "I really think we should do something in the attic"
You nodded, pointing at him, "Yeah, yeah I definitely agree"
"if the killer was waiting in the attic, he was waiting there for a long time. If this activity is residual, he's bound to still have an imprint in the attic. What if we can talk to him via a spirit box or something?"Â
"Yeah," Nate nodded along, "Plus that's the first place Y/N went to"
"It feels very static-y in there if that makes any sense" you added, "I don't know how to really explain it. I agree with Seth though, if we're going to get anything else tonight, I have a really good feeling it's going to be in the attic."Â
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Colby was the first to go under.Â
The minute he put the headphones on, a noise came from downstairs. One which sounded like the front door slowly swinging open.Â
Your head whipped up, wide eyes flicking between the others. You didn't have to ask, their own wide eyes answered just fine, but you couldn't stop the words from leaving your mouth, "Did you hear that..?"
Your boyfriend nodded, reaching to you next to him and grabbing one of your knees, which had begun to shake. "What is that?"
"Is someone here?"
"If you're here, can you make yourself known?"
Silence.
"We have the geophone-"
"Mystery"
"If anyone"
"Is here"Â
"Oh, it sounds like-" Sam tried to speak, constantly being cut off by Colby, speaking on behalf of the spirit box, "it sounds like two people talking to each other"
"Family"
"Yeah, it's sounding like a conversation"
"Me"
"Record that"
The four of you shot up at that.Â
"No way" you whispered
"We're not even asking any questions" Sam uttered in pure disbelief, "are we talking to anybody in specific?"
"Watching"
"Are you watching us?"
"One flight"
"One flight of stairs?"
"Now"
"Do you want us to go downstairs?"
"Fired"
[Cutting out this portion because... well... above disclaimer. If you watched the video you probably know what this is, it just feels wrong to add and makes me sick to think about.]
"End this"
"I don't know what you're talking about-"
"Is he with you?"
"Is who with me?"
"Me"
A door slammed downstairs, shocking you to the point that you would've fallen from your chair if Nate hadn't grabbed you.Â
Seth jumped as well, hitting Colby to get him out of the trance and fill him in on what was going on.Â
"What?" Colby repeated over and over, his friends were all freaking out, and he had no clue what was going on.Â
"The door slammed" you breathed out.
"What?" he exclaimed, looking between all of you, "What door?"
"I don't know" Sam panicked, "the one downstairs, It's on camera, I actually don't know."
"It could've been the front door?" you guessedÂ
"No." Colby shot down, shaking his head, "Nah, I closed that one."
Sam and Nate went down to investigate and figure out what could've caused the slam, you, Seth, and Colby staying up in the attic.Â
[ Also cutting this, nothing special, just pretend reader was just sitting along for the ride when Seth and Colby heard the stuff on the stairs. We're cutting to when they all go downstairs to the last room and Colby goes back to the estes method. ]
You shivered, arms wrapping around yourself as you rock back and forth, "I don't like this room" you stated, "like I genuinely feel like I'm going to be sick in here-"
"That's about right"
"Sweet." you huffed, "Fucking love that."
"I think it was right here"
"No way!"
"What? You're kidding"
"Cold"
"You think what was right here?"
"Please"
"Explain what was right here"
"You walk away"
The second Colby finished the sentence, the REM pod began to go off, pointing out the door.Â
Your eyes widened, "Do you think the spirit was telling a different spirit to leave?" you looked quickly between the boys, "And thats why the REM pod is going off and pointing away, out the door?"
Seth nodded slowly, "Yeah... yeah that's definately a possibility."
"Who's talking to us right now?" Sam rushed, "Who are you? Can you give us a name? Anything a sign?"
"You said you think he was here, who is he?"
"That would be able to get away with it"
Colby yelled, that was one of the longest and most clear sentences any of you had ever gotten. Even crazier was how much sense it made for the conversation the rest of you were having.Â
"Who would be the guy that would be able to get away with it?" Sam pushed, stepping closer to Colby just to get cut off by said man.
"Lies"
"Screaming"
"Trust me"
"Give us a name-" Sam insisted.
"Please give us a name"
"-He said... who would be the person who could get away with it?"Â
"Remember"
"We're remembering" Seth added, voice calm as he could manage, "we remember you."
"Do we know this name?"
"Do we already know who you are?" you spoke up, "Are you telling us to remember because we already know?" you had a sneaking suspicion of what was coming through, and you really hoped it was wrong.
Otherwise, you're really beginning to regret volunteering to do the method in the closet.Â
"That's the reason why"
"What's the reason why? What was the reason for these murders?"
"Train"
"Were you on the train?"
"Implications of..."
"Implications of the train?" Sam spoke, eyebrows furrowed in confusion, in the end deciding just to ignore that for now. "Who are we speaking with?"
"yes please tell us who you are."
"You know"
"no, we don't" Sam insisted.Â
"I-" you began, only for Colby to interrupt.
"You know"
"I think..." you whispered, waiting for Colby to interrupt you again. when he didn't, you continued, "I think I know."
"Good job"
"Oh my god-"
"I think it's-"
"No, no"
"Mk" you spoke, fake cheeriness dripping from your tone to hide the discomfort flooding your body, "That's cool. I'm not gonna say it then."
"Paul Miller" Sam spoke, trying to solve it instead, "was he the murderer?"
"Impossible"
"Was it the Reverend George Kelly or was it something-"
"Kill me"
"He was going"
"How would you feel if we took off the cover to the mirror?"
"This one?"
"Yes this mirror"
"We can"
Sam stepped forward, a hand on the sheet to pull it off, "Ok were going to."
"Run"
"I had to run"
"You had to leave the scene of the crime?"
"No choice"
"It was worth it"
"That gave me chills" you spoke, shock rendering you almost breathless at this point
"What was worth it? The murders?
"Who are you?"
"You know"
The session started to run on the lengthy side, so to be safe, you pulled Colby out to converse.Â
"Did any of that make sense?"
"Yes, you kept saying 'you know him' and you kept saying stuff about railroads and trains."
"Speaking of 'you know him'" Seth began, turning to face you, "what were you thinking?"
"Oh right!" Sam exclaimed, "You said you had an idea of who it was but Colby kept cutting you off" he reiterated for the viewers as well as the man who hadn't been able to experience half of the conversation.Â
You looked up between all of them from where you sat on the bed, shrinking in on yourself a little, "I just-" you stuttered, "I just have a really good feeling it's Kelly."
"That would make sense why he kept saying no" Nate spoke, "he was a reverend and was probably ashamed of his sins for doing it. Yeah, he was cryptic as hell when he left and ended up confessing to it all, but he was still a preacher... maybe that's why he was saying 'you know' but never actually wanting you to say it out loud."
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Next, was the part that you had slowly begun to get less and less excited for as the night went on. Now it was your turn to do the Estes method, sitting criss-cross on the floor of the closet.Â
"This is your last chance-"
"Put out the lamp"
"Do you want us to turn out the light?"
"He's here"
"Who's here?"
Nate thought back, remembering all the times you'd offhand mentioned something to him though the night, and that was that you thought it was playing tricks on you all. It enjoyed how your group would follow it aimlessly through the home and freak out when it set things off, you felt like it was watching you, messing with you, and playing sick a game of tag with you all. So, he decided to ask the question you'd been secretly asking all night long.Â
"Are you messing with us?"Â
"Thanks for being here"
"It's fucking with us."
"All over"
"All over the house?"
"Mhm"
Sam jumped, "The cat ball!" he yelled pointing to the closet, "The catball behind her just went off"Â
You're head popped up and you shook your head a bit, "That wasn't funny at all." you rushed, the boys all began freaking out, thinking the box was saying that when you spoke again "This isn't the box by the way- but I swear to god Nate if you pull my hair again while I'm doing this shit, I'm breaking up with you."
The boys really began freaking out then. All were at least 3 feet from you at the time.Â
"You'll see why I'm so excited"
"Oh my god" Sam yelled, "It never says full sentences like that-"
"Yeah, yeah, yeah! And to have so many all in the same night?"Â
You pulled the jacket tighter around yourself, "It's so fucking cold" you muttered.
"Wait-" Nate gasped, "there was something-" he turned to the closet, "are you behind her?"Â
"Behind"
"Did you commit these murders because you were a pervert?" Â
you ground your teeth, "Nate I swear to fucking god" you hissed, "don't pull my hair-" your back quickly straightened, hearing more words flood through the speakers.Â
"You said this already"
You spoke in a sing-song voice, doing your best to imitate the intonation of the voice you heard through the headphones
"At the beginning"
"The who are you" Sam insisted once more, starting to get irritated by the sheer number of times he'd asked the same question.
"You know"
"I am"
"I'm the Reverend"
Nate dove forward, looking back to the rest of the group now that he was inches in front of you ready to rip the headphones from your head.
"Are we done?" he rushed, eyes wide in urgency, "Can we be done? Can I pull her out? I do not want her sitting in the closet with him behind her- especially when it's pulling her hair and stuff-"Â
The boys all began nodding, Colby the first to speak, "Yeah, yeah dude, get her out of there like now."
That's all your boyfriend needed to lean forward and take the device off your head, pulling your body from the floor and as far from the closet as he could manage.Â
You glared at him as he did so, slapping his shoulder once "That wasn't funny. Don't fucking do that-"
"Babe" he grabbed your shoulders, looking you straight in the eyes, "I didn't touch you. I swear."Â
"Yeah" Sam spoke up behind the two of you, "We were all like, several feet from you."Â
"Yeah Y/N, no one touched you" Colby gestured to the camera, "We can show you the footage if you'd like."
You were freaked out before, but with that information as well as everything they filled you in on, you were ready to leave. You didn't care about finishing the investigation and you didn't care about any more information they could possibly gain by going any further.Â
The boys, for the sake of closure and for the sake of answers for the viewers, wanted to continue. You respected it, but you couldn't force yourself to do it anymore and to be completely honest, you were terrified.Â
Doing investigations with your friends was fun, but this was one you couldn't finish. Not when you felt this sick to your stomach. Not when you potentially had a creepy pervy Reverend standing behind you in a closet pulling your hair. Not when you felt as targeted as you did. Not when you could tell whatever the spirit was, was having fun running all of you in circles.Â
So instead, while the boys tried the Estes session one last time in the master bedroom, you had taken the keys to Nate's car and was driving back to the hotel. You'd brought some sage on the trip- not too sure how to use it, but you had a feeling it may be necessary for this little road trip of investigation videos.
You don't know why you hadn't brought it with you earlier, but you felt like leaving to get it was more than worth it in this scenario.Â
You began by smudging yourself, then the hotel room just in case you brought anything with you. Then, you walked to the parking lot, smudging Nate's car as well. The people who saw you probably thought you were insane, but you couldn't care less at the moment.Â
Better safe than sorry.Â
When you deemed everything properly smudged, you plopped back into the driver's seat, sage bundle in the cupholder, on the way back to the Villisca House to do the same to the boys. Â
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Children of Anguish and Anarchy Book Review
Children of Anguish and Anarchy Book Review by Tomi Adeyemi
This book was so horrible.Â
No one is more disappointed than me to say that.Â
Iâve gone to two of Tomi Adeyemiâs book signings, including a recent one for Children of Anguish and Anarchy.
Tomi Adeyemi herself is absolutely wonderful. Sheâs so intelligent, hilarious, addictively charming, and can work a room like no other. The book signing was fantastic. Too bad the book couldnât hold up to the event itself.Â
Children of Anguish and Anarchy follows as the third and last installment of the Legacy of Orisha trilogy, but doesnât read like that at all.
Other than having the same four main characters of Tzain, Zelie, Amari, and Inan, nothing about the book concludes any issue, plot story, or character development from the previous two novels.Â
A completely new villain is introduced, someone we haven't heard about as a reader in the last two books whatsoever, and obliterates any of the conflict and tension that Adeyemi worked so hard to build in her previous stories.Â
Gone is the tension and literally hundreds of years of in-fighting between the Maji and the monarchy, gone is the civil war and its repercussions on Orisha, gone is even one of the main characters from the last novel, Roen, who was a significant love interest for Zelie and who has been completely disappeared in this new book all together (like, what???).Â
It was incredibly lazy writing to wipe away everything the first two books created in order to âuniteâ against this new enemy. The sentiment is nice, but itâs not the finale we wanted or needed.Â
I desired answers to Amari and Zelieâs broken friendship, closure to the Inan and Roen love triangle, a verdict on how Orisha would rebuild and who would rule.Â
We get none of that.Â
Instead Zelie and the others spend half their time in the book on a ship with very strong slavery parallels, and the other half in the introduced land of New Gaia.
While I thought the descriptions of New Gaia were beautiful (albeit very similar to Avatar), I was dissatisfied because the whole series at this point has been focused on Orisha and Orishaâs problems, not New Gaia and not the Skulls.Â
While the plot was bad and aggrieving, the characters were even worse.Â
None of the characters were interesting. They were carbon copies of each other in which all they talked about was avenging their fallen Orishan people, killing the Skulls, and protecting loved ones.
Rinse and repeat. It was boring as hell to delve into four different charactersâ minds only to find that they all sounded exactly the same.Â
I often had to go back to the start of the chapter to tell whose internal thoughts I was reading because they were so interchangeable and self-righteous and dull. It is never a good sign when you canât automatically tell whoâs POV youâre reading based on their internal dialogue and tone.Â
Lastly, the pacing of the book was atrocious. Everything happened so goddamn fast that I felt like I never had the chance to properly digest or internalize anything.
Oh theyâre on a ship? Moving on from that. Zelie got some sort of medallion shoved into her chest?? Moving on. Wait, Maji and Titans and the monarchy are all working together after two full books of them killing each other??? Five pages and itâs done with.Â
It was outrageous and insulting.Â
The pacing made everything feel shallow, unimportant, and unnecessary. More than most of the plot were action scenes, while difficult to write and interesting in their own right, in this book it was so repetitive that characters killing other characters 90% of the time became egregiously tedious.Â
And speaking of the action, I also found it incredibly violent and graphic for a YA book. As someone who is not a fan of gore and blood, this book had so many explicit details for no reason other than being gratuitous.
For example, at one point Zelie shoves a chicken bone through someoneâs cheek. I found it repulsive and it was also incessant.Â
I know some people can handle brutality, but I canât, and found it a huge turn off and made me dislike the book so much more, especially as this was a majority of the book to boot.Â
Disappointment canât even contain my full feelings for this story. For such a wonderful trilogy to succumb to such a terrible end is a tragedy. I wish the best for Tomi Adeyemi and success for her future, but I will not read another book by her again.Â
Score: 2/10
Recommendation: Read Children of Blood and Bone, a magical story that will inspire and entertain you. Read Children of Virtue and Vengeance if you really need something else, but even this book I wouldnât recommend picking up.
Do not, I repeat, do not read Children of Anguish and Anarchy. It will leave you feeling dismayed and disheartened beyond redemption.
Bonus: Here's me, my fiance, and Tomi Adeyemi at her book signing!
#children of anguish and anarchy#legacy of orisha#tomi adeyemi#book blog#book review#book recommendations#book rec#ya fiction#books#popular fiction#popular books#top books#2/10#bad books#fantasy books#black authors
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In light of all the bitching about the upcoming patch, I was so happy to hear youâre also not⌠mad at Larian, I guess? I was wondering if Iâm missing something, because for all its bugs, the game is fine the way it is, to me. More than fine, itâs a great game, the first that really means something to me since Dishonored. Idk, Iâm literally over here just vibing, glad Iâm not alone in that đ
I noticed there's been a trend in recent years, I think started by those media that truly DID become horribly disappointing as it went on (last season of GOT, for example), and people started just... like
There is a phase most media get where they are the Best Ever, they Can Do No Wrong. And then one day that phase ends, and suddenly, that media Can Do No Right. Everything is a mistake, everything is wrong, everything is an attempt to cater to one group of fans (who are, of course, the wrong group to cater to) and/or an attempt to spite one group of fans. I think that in this day and age, people sometimes don't understand the difference between consuming media critically, I.E., using critical thinking to understand the themes, plot, and characters, and consuming media critically, I.E. criticizing everything the creators say and do.
So instead of looking for simple explanations, I.E., "different trainings and specialties mean that the division of labor at Larian has a team that works on new animations, but that team is not the same team responsible for bug fixes, so getting new animations from the former isn't why the latter hasn't repaired Polearm Master or Shield Bash or Raphael and Mol's scene yet" they instead assume "Larian only cares about Astarion and Halsin* and are catering to their fans again at the expense of literally everything else"
*The idea that Halsin fans are receiving any kind of special treatment is laughable, but that is very much the accusation being made- i want to see their reaction when they open up patch 6 and see that their fave has new kiss animations too tbh. As for the new scenes datamined for Halsin, those are all in response to complaints made by people who HATE Halsin, not complaints by his fans. A platonic confession scene? A version of the post-breaking the curse scene that doesn't involve flirting? The only two that were made for Halsin fans were fixing his post-Drow dialogue and the ability to go with him at the end, and the latter hasn't been fully implemented yet (you can get a flag saying you chose him, but you don't get to tell him and have him respond yet). But I have seriously digressed.
IDK, it just seems like we're in the phase of fandoms where, since the initial joy of discovering what the game has to offer has worn off, people are getting their dopamine from getting angry instead, and that means making a game of who can have the best hot takes, who or what is the most problematic and deserving of shunning, what have the creators done to fuck over us poor fans, etc.
There are many legitimate criticisms to be made against Larian, I want to be clear here- their treatment of Wyll's character has been horrific, and the interactions between Durge and Astarion should have been given for ALL characters. It is appalling that they have let Minthara's romance be bugged to the point that some people can only trigger it by modding the game because the flags are bugged and that they have allowed Halsin's voice lines to be bugged SINCE LAUNCH causing many to think they don't exist. All of these things deserve to be criticized. But ascribing malice to things like having separate work teams on the game, or the pile-on people started over that "we fixed it so a glitch can't cause Gale to leave your party" patch... Yeah.
It's never a good sign when a fandom starts to collectively chase the high that comes from being The Angriest. It doesn't seem to be as prevalent on here as on Twitter, thankfully (ironically, speaking as someone who was on this site since before Superwholock, the most toxic parts of Tumblr moved to Twitter after the porn ban, and now it's mostly rational people on here) but we are rapidly sliding towards the "do you people even like this game or do you like the version of it you created in your head?" phase of fandom that everyone dreads.
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ALRIGHT JUST PLAYED ROT IN PARADISE WITH A FRIEND
So! Me and @xinnamonbun just finished playing Rot in Paradise! And obviously I have thoughts.
So spoilers/rant under cut:
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OKAY SO EXPECTANTLY I LOVED THIS GAME!
As always with Studio Investigrave games the characters and their interactions definitely did not disappoint, there were so many funny scenes and lines of dialogue here! I love just seeing friend group shenanigans, each of the individual characters were amazing too! I especially loved June and Vonnie! All in all very fun characters I wanna learn more about (NEED TO KNOW HOW THEY MET, I feel like it was HighschoolâŚ)! I also like the way the characters get twisted by whatever curse is taking place on the island. It feels like itâs specifically turning a trait of theirs inside out. First of all, Macoy brings up early on how he really doesnât like violence or resorting to it, however once the rot takes effect, he slaps June (And we can tell the curse is only just starting here since he does apologize and seems surprised at his own actions). The game brings up a few times how open Carmen usually is, however once the rot takes effect she becomes very closed off and refuses any help while also verbally lashing out a few times. Vonnie is admittedly a little harder to pin point, but I wanna say itâs how orderly she usually is, which then gets tossed out the window once the rot takes effect, making her much more messy and sloppy (not to mention getting a midnight snack does not seem in character for her). The rot completely twists them, making them almost unrecognizable to June.
Like always I loved the art, however it was a different style (to me it seemed closer to Rixâs art style, aka the co developer for the SIG games, but that might just be me). Trust me I still LOVED the art, especially how well the creepy scenes were done, and how goofy some of the sillier scenes were! Also was in LOVE with all the colors, especially since they could get dreary so quickly to emphasize the tone, the art at the end of the game with June specifically BROKE ME.
I did really like the story! However it admittedly was a tad confusing. I really like the metaphor of knowing when to hold on and let go of friends. I personally do think that it was mostly the rot that made them toxic, but it definitely still makes the metaphor work pretty well and really makes you feel for June. The desperation at the end, she just wants to hold on to them even if they hurt her, before having to make the horrible decision of letting go. Itâs a lost cause, the survival ending is realizing that, while the death ending is holding on so hard in an attempt to salvage it that you simply drown with them. In one ending you die together, in the other you survive alone. The only thing that confuses me it the curse itself. Even though I agree that itâs not the true focus of the story and the mystery does make things a lot more tense and scary, more or so for the sake of an AU though I kinda wish I knew more TvT
But overall I did LOVE this game. Absolutely in love with this friend group as well. Also loved being able to actually play the game instead of having to use a play through for once! It was a pain to set up but god it was so much fun to play through and voice act, especially with a friend!
Alright I think thatâs it now, got aus to work on-
#studio investigrave#racheldrawsthis#sigverse#rot in paradise#Hala yaps#LOVED this game#rot in paradise spoilers
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Hey, I was just wondering what age you thought Derek was in season one? Cause itâs a heavily debated and unknown piece of information. Me personally I always thought he was 19 in the pilot, and this was before I had read anything about the writers wanting him to be that age in the pilot. It was just the way he acted, to me, it doesnât seem like a mid-20s man. Also stiles says the fire happened â like ten years agoâ but then a few episodes later Peter says heâs been in a coma for 6 years. So I was just curious what you thought. Also stiles saying that is always made out to be taken as it literally happened exactly ten years ago, and people always bring it up but they never talk about how long Peter said it had been.
Sorry if this is long I just enjoy your blog and your thoughts. I wanted to share mine while also hearing it from your perspective. Hope you have a wonderful day, you deserve it!
This is a very tricky subject to handle, because the writers made mistakes in their own timeline so they switched things around.
But in the very first episode Stiles says that Derek is only a few years older than them. I always figured that Derek was around 19 in Season 1, while Stiles was 16.
The reason why they messed everything up so horribly is because they hadn't actually created a timeline for all the events when they started writing, and to me, it made the show feel like a fan fiction writer who was just making it up as they went and then all the reviewers were saying, "Hey, you have a few continuity errors," and instead of trying to make it work, they just made something up and didn't really try to go back and adjust anything.
There's a scene that happens when Stiles is asking Peter and Cora about Derek's past (Season 3, Episode 8 "Visionary"), and he is trying to find out how old they are, and this train wreck section of dialogue occurs:
Stiles: Okay, if Derek was a sophomore back then, how old was he? How old were you? ...How old are you now? Peter: Not as young as we could have been, but not as old as you might think. Stiles: Okay, that was frustratingly vague. How old are you? Cora: I'm seventeen. Stiles: See, that's an answer. That's how we answer people. Cora: Well, seventeen how you'd measure in years. Stiles: Alright, I'm just gonna drop it.
This dialogue made me so pissy when I heard it the first time because I knew that this was the writers' response to the viewers and fans. The fans are Stiles in this conversation, and the writers are Peter and Cora being purposely "frustratingly vague" in the hopes that we'll just "drop it", which a lot of us did because they wouldn't give us any straight answers.
They messed up and they know it.
In my head canon -- because it makes the most sense to me -- Derek is three years older than them. Canonically, Derek is actually only ten days older than me, as seen in this enhanced screencap right here (from Season 1, Episode 11, where Kate has him kidnapped and held up in chains):
So according to this he would have been around 22, about to turn 23 in the first season...but here's something to take into consideration. This driver's license isn't for California -- it's for New York. I have a theory that he got a professional fake I.D. so that he could do more jobs (such as bartending) while he was out of state.
Now, when Stiles mentions the fire was "like, ten years ago," I genuinely think that he was just generalizing. Derek was sixteen when Kate took advantage of him raped him, which means that the fire happened when Stiles was around twelve/thirteen (as he has a canonically April 8th birthday, so it all depends on the months).
Regarding anything Peter might have said...please remember that it has been firmly established in the show that Peter is an unreliable narrator. Stiles openly admits that to Cora in the previously mentioned Season 3, Episode 8, "Visionary".
A lot of these issues are because of the lack of consistency from the writers.
I think the biggest problem was when they cast a younger Peter and totally threw the timelines off, trying to make him only a few years older than Derek -- which he wasn't. Peter is Derek's uncle, for crying out loud! The man would have been in his late twenties, early thirties when Derek was a teen, barely looking any different than he does in the show...and yet the writers and producers thought that making him look almost like a teenager was the right call.
I do think it was a last ditch attempt to try and make Derek waaay older than Stiles because they didn't like the shipping -- but they had already established too much of their timeline at that point and simply messed up and didn't have the guts to admit it.
Simply put, I genuinely think Derek was nineteen and turned twenty during season one.
Hope that answers your questions, anon!
#teen wolf#teen wolf meta#sterek#stiles stilinski#derek hale#npheq ask and answer#teen wolf ages#derek hale age#age difference#the teen wolf writers just suck at continuity#continuity#teen wolf continuity#continuity errors
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31 Ik facts ~ or why Ikabod Kee is the best character in known history
Enjoy random stuff that I gathered from the game, because it brings me great joy
⢠He apparently remembers the names of every single guests in his hotel, like Lawrence and Patricia, but still call Fat Pajama Man like this. That, or he makes them on the spot
⢠He likes to eat dog treats
⢠He collected bowls of creamy potato, and had seventeen before he died
⢠His parents messed up his name at birth, calling him Ik instead of Ikabod. Which explain why we can't have more than two letters in our name and three in our surname (idem for Mr.Sob)
⢠Has a suspicious amount of cooling fans, there's a possibility that he collects them too
⢠He has party poppers at his desk
⢠He collects strobe lights (whatever it is)
⢠He has two arms, his tailor just never sewed the second sleeve and he never had the bravery to tell it to them.
⢠He had a spider on his forehead for two whole weeks (wherever the spider is a real spider or a previous guest is unclear)
⢠The way he introduces himself to you implies that he was hiding behind his desk until you came
⢠Recycle the aquarium water
⢠He collects barils of petrol
⢠He doesn't tell you anything if you throw furniture in his face
⢠He is an art thief
⢠His dad was a crow enthusiast
⢠Yep, same dad who pushed him out of a moving vehicule (and that he forgave for it)
⢠Why does he looks like this
⢠Why is he so tall
⢠He likes to fit his entire body in shoeboxes in the hope of being mailed to someone
⢠I made the math, and apparently the first thing that he thought after his horrible death as a teenager was to build a massive underground hotel for dead people with an asylum, three different factories, a mall, an entire western city, multiple endless pits and a level which is upside down. What a legend.
⢠His dialogue implies that he has two legs but the cover art for the ost doesn't show them.
⢠He has teeth in the shape of a heart monitor, if you hadn't seen that yet.
⢠He never got to tell that person he had a crush on them
⢠I thought it was a shame that his "sick tunes" were not in the OST, but I was unaware that HE COMPOSED THE OST. What a guy.
⢠He judged necessary to have a sound effect system in his hotel that he tests regularly
⢠He collected carnivorous plants that were apparently big enough to eat a small dog
⢠There is a tiny part of me that is not fully conviced that he didn't make up the haunted trucker thing on the spot
⢠He says that the Upturned Inn has no phone line, but if that's the case what is he calling us with ?
⢠He never lived to see the Internet, thank god
â˘We failed him
⢠I watched the Tomato stream and I'm sorry but this is his canon voice
Bonus Mr.Ballin fact:
Mr.Ballin has a slight chance of turning to look at you at the start of the level and it is legitimately one of the most horrifying sight I ever witnessed
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