#I want more sazz

[jordieeeee]

I need more Sazz and Charles feels before or during the finale. The first two episodes were so sad but I loved the scenes with Charles and Sazz's ghost (or his subconscious version of her ghost, whatever works)

[potterandpromises]

Olimabel (the Charles is silent) end up investigating Sazz’ past in LA so Mabel visits Tobert and he casually reveals he has a twin brother named Robert

[theguardianofmagic]

I see people talk about wanting more platonic male-female friendships and honestly that’s just another thing Only Murders In The Building does right. Of course there’s Mabel and her guys. A multigenerational friendship we don’t get to see that often.

But I was actually thinking about Sazz and Charles’ friendship when I started this post. They’re best friends, they’re family, they compliment each other as actor and stunt double. I just really like their relationship. She’s a lesbian. She stole his ex. She helped him make friends. He gave her a shot when no one else would.

It’s so important.

[waffles505]

OMITB S4 Killer Theory

....SPOILERS....

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Ben GLENroy isn't dead. 

This is my theory for OMITB Season 4. Although I do ultimately think that there are 2 killers/people involved, I believe I have a good part of it solved. Again, just a theory, this could end up being totally wrong...but let me know what YOU think. 

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In S4E4, our favorite trio (Charles, Mabel & Oliver) go to "Concussions", a bar for stunmen founded in the 70s. We learned that Sazz was there and posted a selfie the day she was murdered. When they start asking questions about Sazz, stuntpeople who were all friends with Sazz, start to get agitated. Especially with Charles (this makes sense as he was Sazz's "face"). As things start to escalate, out of nowhere, a man rolls into the conversation. The trio is shocked to see Ben Glenroy (the victim of S3). Irish Paul Rudd says that he is actually Ben's stunt double...Glen Stubbins. Glen explains how he's mad at the trio for taking "Ben" from him and claims that "15 years he worked for Ben". Throughout this conversation, Glen keeps seeing "rats" everywhere, trying to kill them. No one else sees the rats he's talking about. As the stuntpeople start to get more upset, Glen escorts the trio out of the building. Once they are outside, Glen apologizes for having to play up the "fighting" and wants to talk to Charles. Specifically, he asks Charles if he will be his new "Face". Charles politely declines and Glen begs him for work on a project. Mabel offers Glen a position on the film being made about their podcast and Glen is relieved. He then goes on to show off some "stunts" he can do and the trio is impressed and scared at the same time. When asked about the back room in the bar, Glen tells them about Dr. Maggie who is a chiropractor that helps all the stuntpeople with their pain management. Charles, alarmed, asked if Sazz was in pain. Glen responds "She was in pain, thanks to you". After deciding to take Charles to meet Dr. Maggie, Glen warns Charles to "Mind the rats". Glen stays and listens in on Dr. Maggie's conversation both Charles. We learn that Sazz was in pain and planning to retire to a new career. She was "hurt from a one-sided relationship", Charles believes it's himself that hurt her. We later see Charles return to Concussions, where he decided to "Tap in" for Sazz, so that she could have a proper stuntman's funeral. 

After being hit with a fake bottle, Charles is shocked (rightly so). Glen leans in and tells him, "Lie still, dead man". When it's Glen's turn to say his "goodbyes" to Sazz, he accidently(?) uses a real bottle to hit Charles, knocking him out. 

As chaos ensues and stuntpeople fight one another, Glen says to himself, "this is what Sazz would have wanted."

Soo...what is my theory? 

Ben Glenroy didn't die. His "stuntman" did. Here' what I think happened: 

Ben was the one that temporarily died from the rat poison. In S3, we're led to believe that Ben died from the poison, miraculously survived it, only to be murdered again after being pushed down an elevator shaft. #Rip

Here’s the thing…Ben showed up rather quickly from the hospital to the after-party. With something as serious as ingesting RAT POISON, there’s no way he would be able to walk around and show up, just fine, to the party that occurred so soon after. I believe that while Ben was recovering in the hospital, Ben’s (real) stunt double went in his place (or shall I say, “tapped in”) to the party and unfortunately ended up being killed. Now, whether Ben knew about his stunt double doing this at the time, I don’t know. Recovering from Rat Poison would likely take days, possibly even weeks to recover from (especially considering the amount he was given).  I think the loss of his Stunt Double, especially if they had a relationship similar to what Sazz and Charles had, would hurt him greatly. Ben would probably feel guilt, like we see Charles experiencing in the current time. But if someone wanted Ben dead, hearing the news that he was still alive could put himself in danger. So what does he do? He decides to put on another great performance…that being ”Glen Stubbins”. 

We know that “Glen” is seeing rats everywhere. Ben was poisoned with RAT posion and I wouldn’t be surprised if he had to deal with some side effects after such a serious health scare, such as hallucinations. Ben also likely has PTSD and could be seeing these “rats” as a result. 

Also…Ben Glenroy? Glen Stubbins?

They both have the word GLEN in their names. That’s too much of a coincidence. There’s NO WAY that Ben just happened to find a stunt double who looks identical to him with partially the same name as him. We know that Ben isn’t the smartest bulb in the pack, so perhaps he should have picked SOMETHING other than “Glen”. 

Now, why would Ben do all of this? 

MOTIVE: We know that Ben HATED Charles. While Charles was working on Brazzos, a young Ben Glenroy was cast as a series regular. However, after the first table read, Charles told the director that Ben was a phony and had him fired. Ben blames Charles for his failing acting career. Ben could very easily, in some twisted way, ultimately blame Charles for his Stuntman dying. 

This could mean that Ben had the motive to kill Charles AND/OR Sazz. 

*Although I believe Charles was the true intended target, Sazz being the target is still a possibility. 

Let’s say Sazz WAS the target, Ben knows Sazz. How? Ben briefly worked on Brazzos, which Sazz was Charles’s stuntman for. Maybe Ben wanted Charles to understand the pain he’s in? He wants Charles to know what it feels like to lose that special person. 

IF Charles was the intended target, we already have several reasons for why Ben would kill him. Charles “ruined” his life. What makes a better murderer than someone who’s already supposed to be dead? NO ONE would think/suspect Ben Glenroy, a dead man, could have done it…

I don’t think Ben decided to pretend to be his stunt double until he realized that Charles wasn’t the one that died, Sazz did. Ben gets away with murder, it never gets solved, he ruins Charle’s life in the process, and imagine the Hollywood comeback he would have if he revealed that he had actually been alive this whole time.  What a performance!

As for the other murderer/person involved, I don’t know WHO it is yet, but think Ben must be connected to someone in Hollywood. This person would have to distract the gang with a “movie” about the podcast…but I don’t think the movie is even real. I think it’s all a distraction just to lead up to the big reveal...A movie/documentary about the return of Ben Glenroy and how he survived death. Now THAT would be a huge blockbuster hit. 

As for who dies next…I’m worried for Howard, Loretta, and Oliver. 

Let me know what you think! <3

Reddit Link: https://www.reddit.com/r/OnlyMurdersHulu/comments/1foy09g/s4_killer_theory/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

[dracox-serdriel]

OMitB Season 4 Theories

Spoilers for all episods of Only Murders in the Building Season 4 up to episode 6. (If you want to skip it, please strike the 'J' key to jump past this post.)

Sazz knew about another murder in the building (likely the "sensitive topic" she meant to discuss with Charles at the end of Season 3) and possibly also knew about the cameras hidden in Oliver's and Charle's apartments.

Obviously, someone else knew Sazz knew about the murder and that she planned to spill the beans to "the podcasters"

The spy cameras must've been placed sometime before the start of Season 4 (how else would the killer know that it was safe to enter Charles' apartment to get Sazz's body?)

My theory is that the cameras were somehow placed by Marshall Pope or someone helping him spy. (Mostly because of his stage direction -- he describes Oliver as "flitting around" -- not something that would be obvious actions given the OmitB trio are podcasters who rely way too much on hidden cameras -- so more sound than video.)

When did Dudenoff die?

In theory, he could've died before Tim Kono.

The Brother/Sisters said that Dudenoff cut off all contact with them three years ago. (To the best of my knowledge, they are the only ones who gave a firm time about when they last spoke to Dudenoff.)

The "old incinerator" is banned because it causees a very noticable power surger in the entire building whenever it's used. Andn, according to Oliver & Charles, that kind of power surge hasn't happened in a while (since the old incinerator was banned).

It's possible Dudenoff died three years ago. His body could've been stored in any number of secret corners of the Arconia - though my guess is that he was hidden in the bricked up walls that cut the West Tower off from the rest of the Arconia.

Dudenoff's death predating Tim Kono's has a number of thematic components/call backs:

In episode 1x01, Charles' opening monologue: "Here's a thing I don't get. People who worry about living in a big city because of all the crime. As any true crime aficionado will tell you, it's the boondocks you need to worry about. I mean, let's face it. Nobody ever discovered 19 bodies buried in the backyard of a 14-story apartment building."

In episode 2x03, Oliver says: "Bunny and I, we're lifers. She's probably gonna be buried in the Arconia. And on hot days, the whole building will be able to smell you."

It makes sense that the killer would want to burn the body after someone cotton onto Dudenoff being dead.

My theory right now is that Dudenoff wasn't murdered. The illegal sublets are all under his name; his death would nix the rent control entirely - so all of the Westies with illegal sublets have cause to cover up his death. So his death could've been accidental or natural, and plenty of people still had tons of reason to cover it up. Not to mention there's someone is cashing Dudenoff's checks on 125th street - that could be part of the cover up or it's just another reason to keep his death a secret.

It would be easy for Sazz or literally any outsider to see evidence of the coverup (and maybe even the body itself) and conclude - well of course this was a murder! Especially if they didn't know about the illegal sublet thing going on.

Missing Pieces

The student film, "The Desecration of Alice", almost certainly had another actor from Dudenoff's classes -- a woman, the person who played Alice. I'm guessing that this is Rudy's ex-girlfriend, Helga -- the one who abandoned Hammy Faye Baker (the pig) in the Dudenoff's studio apartment.

What's with the Ham Radios? Seems like a way someone keeps in contact while staying off the grid.

Who is cashing Dudenoff's social security checks? I have zero reason behind it, but I truly think it's Lester the Doorman. He's been doing it as a favor, cashing the checks, then dropping the cash off to someone, per Dudenoff's request. Again, zero reason for me to suspect this. Just thinking.

Or... is Dedenoff actually dead?

Dudenoff has allowed people to illegally sublet from him for decades. Would it be so wild for him to have allowed someone he cared about to use his health insurance coverage to replace a shoulder? That could easily explain how the serial number traced back to him -- without him actually being dead.

This would also explain the Ham Radios.

Who is the killer?

Not enough information about who is the killer/shooter of Sazz, but people I'm keeping an eye on:

Bev Melon - the producer

Marshal Pope - the writer

Helga

Ana - Inez and Alfonso's daughter

Rudy aka Christmas-all-the-time-guy - easily the most atheltic of the Westies, could almost certainly handle the ubertight window of he shooter + the cleaner

Scott Bakula - ok, not really, but why not? Super sus how he turned up in 4x01 and was like, "Ho-hum, TOTALLY not like Sazz, right?!"

Sazz's Agent - unnamed character, see next section

Why Sazz?

Sazz has a ton of connections - she's the reason Charles had friends when he worked on Brazzos. Most people at the stunt bar seemed to know her fairly well. She is clearly far more competent at keeping interpersonal connections (especially those critical for her job) than most of the other characters in OMit-B.

The relationship Sazz was keen on quitting (she gave more than she got) -- I know Charles thinks it was himself -- but I don't think so. I think the person Sazz was keen on quitting was actually her agent. This is a character we've only heard about in passing, with Sazz talking to them on the phone -- but it makes a lot more sense than it being Charles.

The Theory of Season 4

While there's no real limits to the question "Who has access to Charles and Oliver's apartments?" Because of all the secret passage ways and stuff... but my theory is that Sazz's agent is in complete cahoots with Bev Melon (the producer) and leverage Sazz to plan cameras in Oliver's and Charles' apartments, among other things, to help Marshal (the film writer) and Bev get a full jump on the OMit-B.

Oliver is 100% right to be surprised at how far along the project is when they go out ot California in 4x01. That didn't happen by accident. This production had a crapton of inside sources to draw from to get it to where it is.

If Sazz's agent used blackmail or even just basic power pressure to get Sazz to participate in this kind of spycraft, then I could easily see how Sazz would want to get out from under that thumb.

At least, that would explain why Sazz is suddenly pushing to retire, even though there was a recent reboot of Brazzos giving her plenty of work (even if the show is on hiatus ATM).

[nkatr84]

Only Murders in the Building 4:2 ‘Gates of Heaven’

Oh this season is gonna hurt…

So there’s more evidence that Sazz truly is dead with the blood (way too much blood loss to survive) and her last message for Charles is just what he needs to rally himself. I still think that while Sazz might have been trying to warn Charles about something, she was the target because of what she discovered. Because something is definitely up with the Westies. Something sus. Like I don’t think the oddballs we met are behind the murder, but they’ve got some kind of shady business going on with that Dudeoff apartment. Like maybe there is no Dudeoff and they use that apartment for shady stuff…something involving pigs apparently…

Maybe the motive is tied to someone in the building not wanting a movie crew around because it’ll draw attention to their shady dealings? We shall see Arconiacs…

Meanwhile Jan jump scare! And no Charles you don’t have time…ever! Detective Williams is so done. She’s going to start dreading getting calls from this side of town…

[onlymurdersintheafterparty]

OMITB S4:E8 "Lifeboat"

This episode was really interesting. More questions answered and even more created now that we know what went on with the Westies. Given all the theories out there the ending wasn't too surprising but I do wonder how all of this will be explained in the final episode. At this point I don't have many theories left I'm just waiting on the denouement. All in all I enjoyed it. Spoilers ahead!

I can't believe Dudenoff's death was that simple. I'm not even going to lie I just found the whole thing so sad. He was lonely and grieving his wife and then created a found family that he loved so much he wanted to protect them even in death. Poor Helga who was so scared and convinced that someone did something to him. What I don't understand though is why they called her the wrong kind of Westie and scratched her face out in the picture. They acted like she was a villain or something when all she was trying to do was figure out what happened to Dudenoff. There was a theory on the subreddit that Helga was the one giving Sazz information and now it's confirmed so this is a new turn of events. I'm with Mabel on not ratting them out but with Dudenoff confirmed to be dead how are they going to continue this rent scheme? The police know so the jig is up. Or is this reveal just so that the trio would sympathize with them and not rat them out to the police?

Glen being the stuntman that Sazz was referring to still feels like a red herring to me. We know that he is mentally unwell because of the hallucinated rats but I still don't think he's our killer. I'm thinking Glen is part of the group that killed Sazz and the mastermind shot him to keep him from confessing or it's as simple as the common theory that Marshall is the killer and shot him because he recognized him outside of his disguise. With Glen being in a coma we probably won't learn either outcome until the season finale or the very end of the next episode. Sazz said that this stuntman messed up badly and would be the death of her. She's dead and he's in a coma so she was right but the fact that he was shot means that some sort of cover up is in place for whatever it is that he did and whoever else knows it.

The Westies showing up and waving a knife and everyone just going along with it is so wild to me. It was 6 against 5 and I know Rudy is fit but surely they could have still held their own. It makes sense they didn't react though because they needed the confession. Rudy doing the entire monologue and everyone progressively getting emotionally drained was so funny. Zach has had the funniest quotes this season and I hope someone does a video edit including them all.

Charles really needs therapy when the case is solved because the way he's unraveling and doesn't even know how to process his anger is so sad to watch. Eugene better be careful what he wishes for because when Charles fully snaps and lets all his anger out it's not going to be pretty. I wouldn't be surprised if upon learning who killed Sazz he attacks them (not fatally) and has a full breakdown.

Every week I see the same theory that Loretta will die and I'm starting to get scared this may actually happen. I get them being sentimental about The Arconia but it's full of so much death I can't believe that they would plan their wedding there. Oliver has lost so much and Charles just lost his best friend so do you think the writers will really go there? Maybe it will be a bridesmaid or someone else in the bridal or groom party who is killed. I just feel like instead of killing her off they can just write out her character by saying that she and Oliver travel back and forth to see each other and that explains why she's not onscreen. They've been making it work now so no need to take such a dark route.

I'm so excited for the last two episodes and to see how this all plays out. The Westies never confirmed that it was them sending the letters or bugging the apartments so the mastermind is still out there waiting. This also means that there must be another murder that has gone unnoticed. On a recent youtube video, Matt & Jess TV mentioned Charles' quote in the pilot about the bodies buried in the back of a 14 story building as well as Marv mentioning the Sixth Street Slasher so it looks like there's still a cold case to solve.

And to wrap this all up I just have one question: WHERE IS THEO?

[empress-of-snark]

only murders 4x02 thoughts

(spoilers under the cut)

First of all, I really want Charles to continue to hallucinate Sazz for the entire season, like I want Jane Lynch just hanging around in the background of every scene he’s in, occasionally offering up weird one-liners. They really didn’t need to make the effort to humanize the victim this season because, as I’ve said before, we already knew and loved Sazz, so the new insight into their friendship is just salt on the wound and I mean that in the best possible way. All the references to her constantly fighting for him, both as a stunt double and a friend, quite literally dragging new friends to his door by setting up his weekly poker game, his whole bit about not wanting to disrespect her memory by washing off her ashes in the sink (played for laughs, but still emotional), it all just made me love both of them so much more!

Intrigued by the new cast of characters in the Arconia’s West Tower. I think it’s too early to say whether they actually had any involvement in the murder, but they definitely got very shifty when Mabel brought up the locked apartment next door. Maybe they’re covering for someone? I didn’t really get a murderer vibe from any of them, but I’m also terrible at predicting the reveals on this show so that doesn’t mean anything lol.

Jan is back! I definitely think this isn’t the last we’ll see of her this season. I think she’ll want to help in the investigation, and may be popping in and out multiple times. And yay for Detective Williams! She’s one of my favorite side characters, and I’m happy she showed up much earlier this time than she did in season three. I wish we’d get to see her wife and baby again though! They were so cute!

Curious to see if they’ll clear up Mabel’s living situation anytime soon, or if she’ll be crashing on Oliver’s couch for the foreseeable future lol. (Or maybe she’s still staying with Theo…? 👀)

Finally, shout out to my favorite consistent piece of set decoration: the “Nice, Hot Vegetables” sign in Charles’s kitchen. It’s so very him, and it makes me giggle to myself every time it’s in frame.

[radskull-69]

UGHHHH I don’t mean to fav sazz over bozo but hes so much more fun to draw and one day I wanna have a fandom over this guy. And I realise if I want that imma need to post him so eughhh

[maineshewrote]

Listen, IF they ever do decide to kill off Loretta (which I don’t believe they will do, although they’ll tease and use the prospect to frighten us), I think it would be perfect in a cripplingly heart-breaking way if she was actually the first murder victim to have been killed unintentionally. Because, although she already has a layered backstory and they could definitely build around it some more and find someone with motive, and, yes, she can be feisty at times, who on earth would actually want to kill Loretta?

And about the unintentional bit. Yes, Cliff said it was an accident, but he did mean to push Ben. What I mean is that this should be a case of “she should not have been there in the first place”. It could be a burglary gone wrong for all I care or something to do with the overall shady stalker-business going on in the Arconia, but the gist of it would be that Loretta would not have been an intended victim, she would simply be at the wrong place at the wrong time.

Cue double the heart-ache for Oliver who is already fretting about bringing his beloved into the murder building and in this scenario would blame himself quite like Charles blamed himself for Sazz’s death in season 4, only this time the guilt would actually be founded.

As someone pointed out on here, the performances would be phenomenal.

[be-side-my-self]

Watching Season 4 of Only Murders In The Building. (E9)

Rewatch of ONLY Murders In The Building to prepare for season 4:

<Part I> // <Part II> // <Part III> // <Part IIII> // <Part V> // <Part VI> // <Part VII> // <Part VIII>

<S4 E1> // <S4 E2> // <S4 E3> // S4 E4 // <S4 E5> // <S4 E6> // <S4 E7> // <S4 E8>

This is no rewatch but my new posts can also easily be blocked because I'll continue to use #OMITBRewatch as a tag. I'll also tag #OMITBS4. While quoting, I use M, O, C for the main characters.

Beware spoilers! (watching on wednesday)

S4 E9

Let's see... who killed Sazz?

Who tried to kill Glen?

I feel like when someone says "He is going to ge the death of me!" it is more figuratively than literally.

Getting a job offer after being hit by a car... the american dream.

Okay... the nurse is irish too?

Going back because how big is the chance to have an irish nurse as an irish patient in america? I genuily asking.

Also I would have banned Charles and Oliver too...

A witchy board.... it's weegee board, Oliver! (in before I know it's Ouija)

That looks like really good beer... I want to try it because I like beer even though I'm no fan of pils. I'll survive though. I am a peasant though.

C: "You know, I've been thinking. You're getting married in a few days, and what if I took you out and bought you a non-beer drink to, uh, celebrate?" O: "Charles, are you offering to throw me a bachelor party?" C: *inhales* O: "I don't care what people say. You're not an ice prince."

Oliver, do you really want the kind of party that Charles would throw as you bachelor party?

I feel like i've seen the bartender before... gotta check out the actor... maybe not?

Only Sazz, Glen and the director knew what happened... is the director Dudenoff?

RON HOWARD?!

Love Olivers reaction... I paused and he is like >:0, while Charles is mildly surprised and Mabel looks like she has no idea who that is (tbf I mostly know him from The Simpsons). Anyway I guess Oliver does not like Ron.

LMAO I WAS SO WRONG XDD

O: "Finally, a celebrity this season!"

aww in the theme song we now see Howard walk his cat and dog.

nice how they hide the protegés face.

O: "Ron-Ron and I are close personal friends."

When Oliver says it like that I will now assume that Ron dislikes/hates Oliver.

Or does not remember him.

Why are we hearing about Ron Howard's nipples?

... what a mess... also yeah invite Tom Hanks to the Bachelor party

W - hiskey A - List Celebrities N - aughty S - ecret

C: "Got it. H-E-L-P."

Of course Mabel asks Bev.

Okay, let's take notes of the drink receipe because that starts out promising and with that I mean disgusting. 1 can (0.5 l) of Red Bull original (barf) 2 BiFi or mini salami ??? In a mixer and mixing it until it's a nice... barfy colour. I was expecting some kind of alcohol...

Oh Bev hates Ron?

Crew Member: "Everyone, we need all 'Escape from Planet Kongo' NDAs signed before entering." That explains the title... and autobiographic???

... I love that they are all overestimating their importance.

That security guard is really nice.

lmao

great casting scene.

GLEN IS AWAKE!!

With an irish nurse.

"Couple old men and their caretaker?"

You learn everything about a person while sharing off-menue soup.

Uh-Oh...

No! Don't cut off the oxygen to Glens brain!

Also what is up with American hospitals (in TV shows)? Everyone can just walk in an kill people, huh?

oh god... yes please discuss this while the whole set is watching you... what kind of lovers squarrel is this? Besties at it.

omg... it's aliens.... Kongonians are aliens. Certainly autobiographic.

Why does the nurse sound like she knew Glen since forever? Did they? Did she know him before?

Someone give Mabel a broom so she can go "There, there."

"Breaking news. Nicky 'The Neck' Caccimelio, the Dry Cleaning King of Brooklyn, has been reported missing. Though he has ties to the Caputo crime family, officials say they do not suspect foul play at this time." <- Putting this here for later reference.

... so... uhm... is this about the Irish vs. the Italian Mafia?

HOOOOOOO!!! wait a second! In that flashback scene the director assistant is the same as the one with Ron Ron? That would explain why he recognised Charles as Brazzos! He knew Sazz!!

.... right because it was a Ron Howard movie xD Forgot about it again because I watched that part yesterday.

Besties are at it again... and with "at it" I mean being angry at each other.

Awww Oliver is the emergency contact for Charles :']

They really are besties.

BESTIES ARE BEST MAN FOR EACH OTHER! and get colonoscopies together.

Of course ... lmao holy shit!

That was not a Dialog Marshall... it's a Monolouge

Important: that super light, long hair of the stuntperson.

RIP Ron Howards eyebrows.

I bet there is something important in that crate of beer.

Of course there is...

It's the correct sole on those shoes. ... Ron-Ron is the murderer!!!!1

Rex Bailey ....

Add a Beard and some glasses... don't tell me it's Howard... don't don't

OH... okay...

lol okay.

Uh Oh...

Also wow, Sazz wanted to talk with Charles about the movie but as in, she wrote a script. That is why she wanted to talk about the plot holes. To get the script right!

Wow. Oh gosh, Mabel is hardcore. She is in a room with a double-murderer and does not give a shit.

That is the reason for Sazz to be killed... bUT

we still don't know how to fill the plot-holes. Who wrote the notes?! Is there even a big bad in the background? .... is it Uma? j/k It's probably Howard.

[onlymurdersinthebuildingreblogs]

Only Murders In the Building Season Four Finale Thoughts While Watching

WARNING SPOILERS FOR ONLY MURDERS IN THE BUILDING SEASON THREE FINALE AND SEASON FOUR!!!!!! INCLUDING THE KILLER! AVOID IF YOU ARE NOT THAT FAR INTO THE SERIES, IF YOU AREN'T YOU BETTER, IT IS SO GOOD!

Note: I lost track of the day of the week and didn't realize the episode had aired until I was in bed.

Pre-Watching:

I wonder if the plot holes Sazz had found were unrelated to her murderer, Marshall/Rex. Set up for the next season.

I hope Theo appears, I really like his character. I also think he's good for Mabel.

I'd also like to see Lucy. I really liked her character.

Watching:

1:07-1:27 -- Oh, so they have filmed for Brazzos!? At least, Sazz got some more time with Charles.

1:16 -- "TAP IN!"

1:27 -- Isn't Sazz a little too old for stunts like that? Jane Lynch is 64 years old.

1:46 -- Osteoporosis! That sounds like a disease. Is that a disease!? (One Google Search Later) Google: "Osteoporosis is a bone disease that weakens bones, making them more likely to break. Osteoporosis occurs when the body breaks down more bone than it replaces, causing bones to become less dense and more porous. This makes bones more fragile and susceptible to fractures, even from minor bumps or falls. Osteoporosis is often called a 'silent disease' because people may not notice any symptoms until they break a bone. Osteoporosis is the leading cause of broken bones in older people and postmenopausal women." Me: YEAH, APPARENTLY SHE IS! "MINOR BUMPS OR FALLS"!? SHE JUST DID A FLIP AND JUMPED FROM A STORY-TALL BUILDING! "I'M GOOD"!? DOESN'T SEEM LIKE IT!?

2:10 -- "Hey, Sazz, you okay!?" Aw, at least, Charles is making sure she's okay, even if she's kind of lying to him. She's making sure he's okay.

3:06-3:14 -- Not related but accent letter choices, why can't they have that on laptop keyboards, instead you have to know like shortcuts and then some laptops don't have those shortcut buttons. Like my old laptop had a numeric keypad so if I wanted to do the em dash, I would hold "alt" then push 0151, but my new laptop keyboard doesn't, so I can't make that dash and I use it more than you think. Look at the lazy double dashes, I've put.

3:18-3:27: "Every time we solve a murder that's when the next body drops. It's like when one murder door closes, someone we know either gets stabbed, poisoned, or shot." I guess that's kind of true? Jan stabbed herself and then poisoned you. "Glitter Guy" attacked Mabel and she stabbed him like the awesome girl she is. (I would say bad*** but I don't like to curse. So what's the age-appropriate way to say that?) Charles pretended to be stabbed by Alice. I don't actually think that happened last season though. There was when Donna poisoned Ben and nearly killed him and then Cliff pushed him down. I guess, Cliff nearly committed suicide. Also he already killed Glen.

3:28-3:35 -- "Why would you say that? You know my wedding is tomorrow. Loretta's on her way now, here to the murder building." That didn't occur to you when you picked this place as the place your wedding would take place at? Your podcast is called "Only Murders in the Building".

4:02 -- It's always kind of annoying when the villain is like "do this or I'll kill you" like they're not going to do that anyways.

4:15 -- Oh, I'm so hoping Mabel beats him up! She is not the kind of woman you want to mess with!

7:02-7:27 -- They're gonna go on the ledge. I don't like height so I don't think this is going to go well for Charles.

7:47 -- Oh! Nope! Nope! Too high! Too high!

10:20 -- I know the feeling! Every time I'm on a high place, I feel like I'm tipping forwards. Ever since when I was around eight, when I was on top of a lighthouse, looking down over the railing and my brother picked me up to take a picture without telling me and I suddenly felt like I was somehow falling over the ledge and I started panicking and he had to put me down before he dropped.

10:54 -- "Are you on this ledge, because I'm moving to New Zealand?"

11:52 -- And now they're dancing on a thin ledge several stories up.

11:55 -- How is no one seeing them? I once sat on the window sill of a second story building and apparently someone called the cops because of that!?

12:22-12:45 -- Marshall, you're doing a terrible job at being causal. You're switching accents from southern to Scottish.

12:49 -- Vince and Rudy are barley doing a better job. "Whatever you have is what we're looking for."

18:46 -- "I'm gonna fly to New York to see Charles make his Broadway debut." Aw. I never actually considered the though that she had seen the play.

22:05 -- Oh, she knew Charles would find him!

23:07 -- Jan to the rescue!? Didn't see that coming! I thought it'd be Rudy or Vince.

28:40 -- Finally, Will comes back! And oh, Dickie, I didn't expect to see you, I forgot about him.

32:07 -- Is Uma going to be the next victim?

32:14-32:54 -- Season five set up?

32:32 -- What did Nicky have to do with the building?

32:54 -- Oh, Sophia's going to be the next body, isn't she?

34:32 -- There's blood coming out of the water fountain's mouth.

34:48 -- LESTER!?

35:10 -- "72 emergencies ahead of you" Are you kidding me!? No wonder podcasters are the only ones who seem to be able to catch killers!

[potterandpromises]

Possible season 4 victims but it's only characters I personally think might be foreshadowed to die

In Only Murders in the Building character deaths tend to be foreshadowed in some way (although not necessarily to the victim's identity, often it's to the manner of death.) Examples include Sazz talking about the chatter on her ham radio in season 3, the broken elevator in season 2, dialogue relating to cold cases in both season 3 and season 4, and so on. Of course these things may be foreshadowing something other then the character's untimely demise, or may not be foreshadowing anything. That's the fun of it!

Propaganda:

Loretta:

Zach and Oliver talked about his wedding venue as setting the tone for their marriage; they're getting married in the courtyard of the Murder Building.

Both Mabel and Charles have had someone close to them (their oldest friend, albeit estranged on Mabel's part) get murdered. Oliver has not yet had that.

Jan:

She's still loose in New York, not Florida, doing god knows what or killing god knows who. Chekhov's gun applies.

Teddy:

Several times, Zach, who's playing Oliver, has been described as Greek. Meanwhile Oliver has twice this season broken into an Irish accent while talking to an Irish person, emphasizing that he is Irish and not Greek. This references the season 2 plotline re: Teddy being Will's bio father and Oliver lying about being Greek, etc.

In 4x09 Mabel says: ""We're the most listened to murder podcast on the Upper West Side that's sponsored by a deli chain." They were sponsored by Dimas Delis (Angel Inc) in season 1, and apparently still are, somehow.

In 4x09 there's a TV broadcast shown about "Nicky "the neck" Caccimello, the Dry Cleaning King of Brooklyn" who has ties to a crime family, and has gone missing. Teddy has been described as "the deli king" and is part of a two person crime family. There could be a plotline related to organized crime, and their murders could be related in one way or another.

See second point about Loretta—it also applies to Teddy.

Lester:

See third point about Teddy. Lester is seen with dry cleaning in season 1 (possibly multiple times, although I don't recall.)

Nicky "the neck" Caccimello, the Dry Cleaning King of Brooklyn:

He has gone missing and the show went way out of it's way to tell us that. He could turn up dead in the Arconia and the next season could simply be about his murder.

Counterpoints:

Loretta:

It might be like, way too sad to kill her off at this point, given that she's marrying Oliver and has only just reunited with her son.

There's likely not as much to learn about her as there has been with previous victims—she already had a secret explored re: Dickie, and it isn't clear that she has more.

Jan:

Season 4 had a Charles-centric victim, and I'm not sure they'd want to have two in a row.

Teddy:

He hasn't actually been in the show since season 2, just indirectly referenced.

Lester:

After a season about the theater and a season about Hollywood movies... would they really have a season about dry cleaning?

Nicky "the neck" Caccimello, the Dry Cleaning King of Brooklyn:

See point about Lester.

Might be seen as a kind of emotional downgrade to bring in an unknown victim right after Sazz.

[seafoamstatice]

I wonder if the trio are gonna keep up with the current season of their podcast? I was actually kinda surprised that they were doing it at all, the other three times they had specific reasons (In season 1 Oliver needed the the money and Mabel joined to figure out what happened to Tim, in season 2 they did it to clear their names, and in season 3 they wanted to get an innocent man out of jail). One of their first conclusions this season was that the shot might have been meant for Charles, not Sazz, and they worried that the killer was still out to get him. So wouldn't it be a really bad idea to broadcast to the world everything they did and didn't know? But in ep 4, they mention recording lines for the podcast. Since after the last episode they're extremely concerned for their safety and are freaked out that the killer is watching them, maybe they'll be forced to be more discreet, until some sort of development where releasing the podcast might help them in the case in some way.

[alaffy]

Only Murders in the Building, Ep. 4x05 – Adaptation (Spoilers)

Huh.  I wonder if the show’s switching up the formula a bit. 

Again, I’m not going to focus too much on the personal aspects of the show.  I mean, both Oliver’s insecurity about his relationship and Mabel’s insecurity of where she’s headed in life are storylines that make sense for both characters, but I’m just more invested in figuring out who killed Sazz and why.

I’m just going to do a recap of some of the moments that are relevant to the case and then I have some thoughts about what the show might be doing this season.  First off, coming back to the cliffhanger of the last episode���well, The Producer pulled a gun on them because she thought she was in danger; she didn’t realize it was the Trio (supposedly).  So, the reason why The Producer is at the trailer is because she’s afraid someone on the movie killed Sazz.  Apparently, Sazz called The Producer moments before Sazz was killed, saying that there was something wrong with the movie and that The Producer needed to stop the film.  The Producer wants to find out who killed Sazz as this could sink the movie if it gets out and no suspect has been caught.  The only thing The Producer found in the shack where some blueprints (which will probably be important later) and the gun that she aimed at the trio.  She also is able to provide an alibi as she was at a high profile event that night in Hollywood (doesn’t mean you can’t be involved, just not at the scene of the crime).  The gun is turned over to Detective Williams.

And now we have three murder boards.

The next big clue comes from the writer of the move who, in looking at the timeline of the murder, realizes that the time between Sazz being shot and her body being disposed of is twelve minutes.  Unless the killer was in excellent shape and very lucky not to run into anyone, there’s really no way that one person could do this.

At the same time, Mabel takes a look at some of the pictures that Charles took at the movie’s production office (which is in the building).  On the floor, there are these sticky mats that are supposed to clean the soles of shoes or whatever, it’s a dues ex machina.  It’s there in order to discover that someone has the same type of shoe as the killer. 

Long story short, they realize that the shoe print belongs to one of the Sisters Brothers.  At that point, Charles realizes that there are probably two murders.  One who fired the shot and one to clean up after.  It does seems like the sisters are a possibility as one seems to be able to find a shot and one is really strong.  At which point the sister who is good at taking a shot disappears and a gun (or something that sounds like a gun) goes off.

So, there are two possibilities at this point.  Number one, the show does it’s normal act and the sisters Brothers are not the killers. 

Or two, the show could be mixing it up a bit.  The way the show has done the first three season, we’re able to slow piece the clues together until we come up to the inevitable conclusion of who the killer is.  But in this season, the clues aren’t meshing (hence the three murder boards).  We don’t have any clue that really points to a motive.  We don’t even really know who the intended target was.  All we know is that Sazz was investigating something in the Arconia and that she had concerns about something to do with the movie.  And I think it is important to note that the trio had no idea that there was a movie even being considered until after Sazz was dead.  So, now we have to wonder if Sazz was warning Charles about someone in the building or because she knew he should stay clear of the movie. 

So, I wonder if we’re going to be working the case backwards this season.  Like we’ll know the who, but not the why or how until the end.  After all, if it was the sisters (or anyone else from the movie), we would still have to have that explanation of how they knew there was an empty apartment across from Charles’ and how they got into said apartment as it was a key pad (although I guess they could have just guessed the numbers, but then why did Sazz know or why was Sazz at the other tower?).  We would also still have to figure out who the victim was supposed to be.  And why the sisters (or someone from the movie) wanted either Sazz or Charles (or both?) dead.      

It just feels like this season is being set up in such a way that we have to know the who to work backwards a figure out the how and why.

[dracox-serdriel]

Only Murders in the Building Season 4 Theories, Part 3

This has spoilers for all episodes of Only Murders in the Building to 4x07 Valley of the Dolls.

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Previous Posts: OMitB Theories Part 1 - OMitB Theories Part 2

The Why - and the Why Now - of This Season

So far we've suspected that Sazz was killed for knowing something about another murder in the building, something that somehow lead to something being wrong with the movie.

But all we actually know is that she wanted to talk to Charles about something "sensitive" before she was shot, and she was retiring from stunt work - more specifically, she was transitioning into a new job. And from Charles' flashbacks this season, we know that her dream was to open a school to train the next generation of stunt folk.

We also know that the plot of land Sazz was planning on using for her school was previously a toxic waste dump that "the government cleaned up" via "Superfund".

I don't believe Sazz was killed because of the movie or the podcast. I believe Sazz was killed (and also Glenn was shot with the intention to kill him) because the toxic waste cleanup wasn't completed - the funds were embezzled, and the embezzler(s) are trying to divert suspicion to a conspiracy in the Arconia, given the murder podcast + movie + everything else going on there.

It seems like Sazz and Glen were relatively close, given how she put another dude in an arm bar until he peed himself because he kept harassing Glen with bad Irish jokes. Sazz asked Charles to keep her dream "under our hats" because the other stunt guys would laugh about it, but I think it's reasonable to think she would be recruiting other stunt people to help setup the institute--and since Glen had recently lost his face (Ben Glenroy), it makes sense that she'd start with someone like him. His "number one" was gone, and he was clearly looking for work because of it. Sazz could've pulled him in as her right hand man (aka her Number Two) for running the school after Glenroy's death left him without a job.

So, after Sazz's death, Glen could've been looking into opening the school in her honor anyway, which is why someone tried to take him out. What's more, the shooter this time tried to take Glen out with a headshot, whereas the shooter shot Sazz in the chest. Of course, Sazz was alone, so even if her death wasn't immediate, it would still take her down. But Glen was in a room full of people - if he was shot in the chest, he might've survived. (Yes, he survived due to a headplate, so we can assume the killer didn't know about it.)

That's right, it's a Murder Podcast about Real Estate!

And there is 100% evidence - critical evidence - related to the land for her institute or something - in the fondue set she got for Charles and Joy's engagement gift.

Reasoning behind this theory:

A major theme of this this season is the enormous impact of a professor/teacher on their students - moreover, there is a huge contrast between the presentation of a "mentor/mentee" as it was in Season 1/Season 2 (Cinda Canon and Becky Butler) and in Season 4, where we see the impact Dudenoff had on not just the Brother Sisters, but also tons of non-artsy students who took classes with Dudenoff

There's a juicy callback to Season 1 (Oliver insisting that nobody wants a murder podcast about real estate)

Sazz's call to Bev Melon could've easily been "dude, you're telling me you DIDN'T CAST BACULA?!" or something of similar level

The other theories around Sazz's death don't really explain the "Why Now?" question - issue with the movie? Knowledge of a previous death/murder? Neither really explains why someone had to shoot Sazz right now, at the beginning of the season.

It could of course be that Sazz knew about Dudenoff's death, assumed it was murder, and was also pulled in on a spying scheme on the podcasters by her agent. But spying on the trio now is just extra - I mean, the movie is based on Season 1, not Season 4 - so losing access to that spying stuff wouldn't kill the movie. But those are all red herrings in her death.

Dudenoff's Death

I am not very certain that Dudenoff wasn't murdered at all. He died of a diabetes-related complications (thus the "fear of sugar" or anti-sugar message in the Desecration of Alice).

But the Westies are definitely red herrings.

Unless one of them has a job in governmental toxic waste clean up - or getting Superfunds to cleanup the waste - then they would for sure be the killer. Wait, what do the members of "the Sauce family" do for a living again!?