#omitb theories

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Is this season's murderer finally omitb's Moriarty??

They were able to:

get into an apartment across the court yard from Charles' apt

get into Charles' apt before they even got back that same night

move her body all the way down to the incinerator without being seen

throw the trio off for days with Sazz's phone

almost got the glass replaced without Charles knowing anything was wrong (I wonder if the hand writing matches the dog poisoner's note from s1)

They were very aggressive in not being Charles' friend

They're also clearly solidly based in New York since they didn't clear out Sazz's mail/packages or get rid of Sazz's murder board of evidence

This murderer just seems incredibly aggressive and incredibly thorough this season

[hotdoghottakes]

HOLY SHIT! This week's episode was awesome!

Okay okay theory time!

So, remember how Oliver got a note on his door in season one? " End the podcast or I end you"? How Amy Schumer lampshades in season 2 that we never got confirmation about who poisoned Winnie?

WHAT. IF. That was Sazz's future killer! What if the killer thought that if they investigated Tim's murder, they'd find more than just Jan?!

[waffles505]

OMITB S4 Killer Theory

....SPOILERS....

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Ben GLENroy isn't dead. 

This is my theory for OMITB Season 4. Although I do ultimately think that there are 2 killers/people involved, I believe I have a good part of it solved. Again, just a theory, this could end up being totally wrong...but let me know what YOU think. 

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In S4E4, our favorite trio (Charles, Mabel & Oliver) go to "Concussions", a bar for stunmen founded in the 70s. We learned that Sazz was there and posted a selfie the day she was murdered. When they start asking questions about Sazz, stuntpeople who were all friends with Sazz, start to get agitated. Especially with Charles (this makes sense as he was Sazz's "face"). As things start to escalate, out of nowhere, a man rolls into the conversation. The trio is shocked to see Ben Glenroy (the victim of S3). Irish Paul Rudd says that he is actually Ben's stunt double...Glen Stubbins. Glen explains how he's mad at the trio for taking "Ben" from him and claims that "15 years he worked for Ben". Throughout this conversation, Glen keeps seeing "rats" everywhere, trying to kill them. No one else sees the rats he's talking about. As the stuntpeople start to get more upset, Glen escorts the trio out of the building. Once they are outside, Glen apologizes for having to play up the "fighting" and wants to talk to Charles. Specifically, he asks Charles if he will be his new "Face". Charles politely declines and Glen begs him for work on a project. Mabel offers Glen a position on the film being made about their podcast and Glen is relieved. He then goes on to show off some "stunts" he can do and the trio is impressed and scared at the same time. When asked about the back room in the bar, Glen tells them about Dr. Maggie who is a chiropractor that helps all the stuntpeople with their pain management. Charles, alarmed, asked if Sazz was in pain. Glen responds "She was in pain, thanks to you". After deciding to take Charles to meet Dr. Maggie, Glen warns Charles to "Mind the rats". Glen stays and listens in on Dr. Maggie's conversation both Charles. We learn that Sazz was in pain and planning to retire to a new career. She was "hurt from a one-sided relationship", Charles believes it's himself that hurt her. We later see Charles return to Concussions, where he decided to "Tap in" for Sazz, so that she could have a proper stuntman's funeral. 

After being hit with a fake bottle, Charles is shocked (rightly so). Glen leans in and tells him, "Lie still, dead man". When it's Glen's turn to say his "goodbyes" to Sazz, he accidently(?) uses a real bottle to hit Charles, knocking him out. 

As chaos ensues and stuntpeople fight one another, Glen says to himself, "this is what Sazz would have wanted."

Soo...what is my theory? 

Ben Glenroy didn't die. His "stuntman" did. Here' what I think happened: 

Ben was the one that temporarily died from the rat poison. In S3, we're led to believe that Ben died from the poison, miraculously survived it, only to be murdered again after being pushed down an elevator shaft. #Rip

Here’s the thing…Ben showed up rather quickly from the hospital to the after-party. With something as serious as ingesting RAT POISON, there’s no way he would be able to walk around and show up, just fine, to the party that occurred so soon after. I believe that while Ben was recovering in the hospital, Ben’s (real) stunt double went in his place (or shall I say, “tapped in”) to the party and unfortunately ended up being killed. Now, whether Ben knew about his stunt double doing this at the time, I don’t know. Recovering from Rat Poison would likely take days, possibly even weeks to recover from (especially considering the amount he was given).  I think the loss of his Stunt Double, especially if they had a relationship similar to what Sazz and Charles had, would hurt him greatly. Ben would probably feel guilt, like we see Charles experiencing in the current time. But if someone wanted Ben dead, hearing the news that he was still alive could put himself in danger. So what does he do? He decides to put on another great performance…that being ”Glen Stubbins”. 

We know that “Glen” is seeing rats everywhere. Ben was poisoned with RAT posion and I wouldn’t be surprised if he had to deal with some side effects after such a serious health scare, such as hallucinations. Ben also likely has PTSD and could be seeing these “rats” as a result. 

Also…Ben Glenroy? Glen Stubbins?

They both have the word GLEN in their names. That’s too much of a coincidence. There’s NO WAY that Ben just happened to find a stunt double who looks identical to him with partially the same name as him. We know that Ben isn’t the smartest bulb in the pack, so perhaps he should have picked SOMETHING other than “Glen”. 

Now, why would Ben do all of this? 

MOTIVE: We know that Ben HATED Charles. While Charles was working on Brazzos, a young Ben Glenroy was cast as a series regular. However, after the first table read, Charles told the director that Ben was a phony and had him fired. Ben blames Charles for his failing acting career. Ben could very easily, in some twisted way, ultimately blame Charles for his Stuntman dying. 

This could mean that Ben had the motive to kill Charles AND/OR Sazz. 

*Although I believe Charles was the true intended target, Sazz being the target is still a possibility. 

Let’s say Sazz WAS the target, Ben knows Sazz. How? Ben briefly worked on Brazzos, which Sazz was Charles’s stuntman for. Maybe Ben wanted Charles to understand the pain he’s in? He wants Charles to know what it feels like to lose that special person. 

IF Charles was the intended target, we already have several reasons for why Ben would kill him. Charles “ruined” his life. What makes a better murderer than someone who’s already supposed to be dead? NO ONE would think/suspect Ben Glenroy, a dead man, could have done it…

I don’t think Ben decided to pretend to be his stunt double until he realized that Charles wasn’t the one that died, Sazz did. Ben gets away with murder, it never gets solved, he ruins Charle’s life in the process, and imagine the Hollywood comeback he would have if he revealed that he had actually been alive this whole time.  What a performance!

As for the other murderer/person involved, I don’t know WHO it is yet, but think Ben must be connected to someone in Hollywood. This person would have to distract the gang with a “movie” about the podcast…but I don’t think the movie is even real. I think it’s all a distraction just to lead up to the big reveal...A movie/documentary about the return of Ben Glenroy and how he survived death. Now THAT would be a huge blockbuster hit. 

As for who dies next…I’m worried for Howard, Loretta, and Oliver. 

Let me know what you think! <3

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Screaming "WHAT IF GLENN WAS THE FUCKING TARGET?!?" to myself through the entire episode.

He's the only one who took a direct shot in that attack. If not for the plate in his head, he'd be dead. If someone takes a direct shot to the head, that doesn't say bad aim to me, and the three Olivers weren't really identical.

As a stunt double, he could plausibly have known a film professor. In fact, Dudenoff having a false shoulder could mean he worked as a stunt double at one point in his life. (Yes, I know joint replacements aren't uncommon after a certain age, but it seems like quite the coincidence.)

Something weird was going on at that funeral in Concussions. Someone put a real bottle in with all those breakaways, and a full glass bottle to the skull of a man in his 70s could have been fatal. Maybe it was just an accident, but I keep thinking about it.

But mostly that first thing. So what I really want to know is--what does Glenn know that would make him a target?

[rosebug3]

I got to go back to s1 and see if it was Tim's phone or tox report or something that was suspiciously not submitted by the police cause now I'm curious.

I never thought it would come back, but I also thought that about the notes on the door, so 🤷‍♀️

well actually I thought the guy from s2 might of been the reason things were withheld but then they never mentioned it.

[onlymurdersintheafterparty]

OMITB S4:E5 "Adaptation"

We're at the halfway mark and I feel like fans with a Hercule Poirot or Sherlock Holmes type of IQ could solve the mystery by now but I am not one of those fans so I'm just here to recap and debunk or strengthen theories I already had. I say this every week but I am truly loving the pacing of this season and that they don't shy away from answering questions early on instead of trying to shoehorn everything in for the season finale. As always spoilers ahead!

Ok so now we officially have confirmation that there are two killers. After circling back to the footprint on the windowsill of the Dudenoff apartment, the tacky paper used on the photoshoot and production room set reveals that the footprint belongs to one of the Brothers sisters. We see that one twin is physically strong enough to lift a body when she lifts Oliver and moves him onto his correct mark. I don't think that necessarily means both twins are involved in the murder though. We also end the episode with that same twin being missing and hearing a gunshot implying that she has been killed. I have been waiting YEARS for a season in which the bodies start piling up and it's finally happening!

This episode was narrated by Marshall the writer and I don't know how to feel about his character. I get that he and Mabel are supposed to be similar in that they both have imposter syndrome but he in general just gives off red flags. He's inserting himself into investigating which is something killers do and him having the fake facial hair introduces the idea of the killers having disguises so clearly he was important to this episode. Not to mention he's giving stalker vibes or parasocial Arconiac vibes. I find it very interesting that Mabel and Charles did not view the video of his stand up to verify his alibi. This could very well mean that he was at the Arconia the night that Sazz was killed. He also never stepped on the tacky paper so we don't have his footprint. That's two strikes against him.

You know who else we didn't see step on the tacky paper? Glen Stubbins. Who is back by the way. I still don't care for his character but I am starting to suspect him. He's physically capable of jumping on the windowsill because he's a stunt performer and for that same reason I'm sure he's also capable of aiming and firing a gun. Also how did he know exactly where Charles lived? They only met the one time at the Stunt Man bar. And yes it's sweet that he brought bread but he could have left it downstairs with Lester. As Ben's stunt double I can't help but wonder if he was present at the Arconia the night of Sazz's murder but in disguise. There's actually a really compelling theory on the hulu subreddit that Glen is the killer if you want to check it out.

Bev actually does have an alibi for that night and seems to only be guilty of wanting her movie made. Can we rule her out just yet? Idk but we'll see. She didn't seem that confident while aiming the gun or firing it off to prove it wasn't loaded. Her revealing Sazz's voicemail and the time it was left definitely proved helpful in establishing a timeline and confirming that there are two killers. Or three if you think it's three people working together.

Howard working for the production team is only strengthening my theory that he's the Moriarty. This man is everywhere! He was working at the theater last season and immersed in the plot there and now here he is in the center of it all once again. Again I don't think he's an evil mastermind, I just think he started off envying the closeness of the trio and now he's high off the power of manipulating things behind the scenes.

Have any of you heard of the opera La Forza Del Destino? In A Series of Unfortunate Events, there is a reference and parallel to it in which a character is mortally wounded after a weapon is accidentally fired off and strikes them. What if the killer was aiming for Charles, saw Sazz dressed similar to him and was aiming to shoot, and the accomplice called to warn them that it was the wrong person but something startled the killer and they accidentally shot Sazz? Like for example they were ready to go and then someone knocked loudly or something which not only muffled the noise of the phone but startled them enough to shoot.

This season has so many parallels and coincidences that we have to assume is on purpose. We've got multiple dopplegangers and cases of mistaken identity, guns being misfired (Eva with Rudy's prop gun and Bev with Sazz's loaded gun), and even the blackout in the S4 premiere vs the fire alarm going off in the S1 premiere.

My small takeaways from the episode:

Mabel being 30 and having an identity crisis is so relatable and I hope she finds her way by the end of the series.

Lester talking about wearing a gimp mask is WILD

Charles mentioning having an account in Belize and Detective Williams pretending to unhear it is hilarious

I'm beyond tired of this Oliver and Loretta plotline and him being insecure about her new status as a celebrity. WRAP IT UP!

Fans keep bringing up the cold case and I wonder if that will become the plot point in season five

Zach Galifianakis telling Oliver about how Jonk (sp?) ran through the seven dwarfs and that they could be heard Hi-Ho'ing from the trailer took me out 🤣

Charles having a new murder board each week is my favorite thing because that's literally all of us fans each week after watching a new episode

Bev and Cinda would be besties or frenemies and I really need to see them in a scene together before the season is over

[essentialalls]

Ok listen, since all westies might know something - and after all, exonerate them seems too soon - it's stupid to think that they are not the murderes (I don't see them sniping from one window to another) but they might hide the fact that they already knew Dudenoff was dead and didnt report it to continue paying less rent?

[mfjenks]

The victim will be... Jan: connection to season 1, hence opportunity to reflect on the way the trio has been through and finally investigate on the stalker. She has escaped from prison, Williams mentioned it as well, but we haven't heard about her for a while. A great opportunity to find out what has made her who she is. Teddy: important person for Oliver from his past from the period of his life he's obsessed with (analogy with Tim to Mabel and Sazz for Charles). Deli sponsor mentioned. Chance to develop Theo, his relationships with Mabel and probably Will.

Uma: she's always been there, there have already been some glimpses of her feelings behind all this sarcasm, we don't now much about her and her past apart of friendship with Bunny, she's exisisting more than living and an interesting character to develop

[quant-um-fizzx]

Only Murders in the Building theory/meta/whatever

I realize this breaks a cardinal rule in entertainment, but I genuinely wish Scott Bakula - real, live famous person - would be involved season 4’s murder. Murderer or intended victim, either one.

LOOK how much sense it makes:

- Scott has been mentioned regularly since episode 1

- long-running association with Charles

- Sazz was his body double

- dating Charles’ ex, Joy

- omitb Scott dresses like Sazz who dresses like Charles who dresses like Scott who dresses like…

- the misdirection that Sazz might have be killed because she was mistaken for Charles, so Charles must be the intended victim…maybe Scott was the intended victim (yes, I really stretched there since it’s in Charles’ apartment.)

- Scott has ZERO reason to be skulking about the omitb movie party (this is The Fishiest Bit)

- weirdly mentioned “white-haired white-guy” and the only thing we can see in the scratched out photograph of the Westies is white hair

- he might know about the passages into Charles’ apartment from Joy

I’m not sure what the upside down numbers that really spelled “oh hell” are about, but it made me think “Oh, boy!” his Quantum Leap catchphrase. (Again, admittedly, a stretch.)

I have no idea what’s up with all the ham. Unless it’s a ham smuggling operation and the first pig was called Dr. Ham Beckett.

[nkatr84]

Only Murders in the Building 4:2 ‘Gates of Heaven’

Oh this season is gonna hurt…

So there’s more evidence that Sazz truly is dead with the blood (way too much blood loss to survive) and her last message for Charles is just what he needs to rally himself. I still think that while Sazz might have been trying to warn Charles about something, she was the target because of what she discovered. Because something is definitely up with the Westies. Something sus. Like I don’t think the oddballs we met are behind the murder, but they’ve got some kind of shady business going on with that Dudeoff apartment. Like maybe there is no Dudeoff and they use that apartment for shady stuff…something involving pigs apparently…

Maybe the motive is tied to someone in the building not wanting a movie crew around because it’ll draw attention to their shady dealings? We shall see Arconiacs…

Meanwhile Jan jump scare! And no Charles you don’t have time…ever! Detective Williams is so done. She’s going to start dreading getting calls from this side of town…

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Is the Arconia the home of a crime syndicate known to high up officials/law enforcement?

The west side was sealed off from the east side after a brothel was discovered sometime in the past

"They" didn't submit Tim Kono's tox reports and didn't send his cell phone to IT to just close the case quick

Oliver was threatened/Winny was poisoned when their podcast had only had 3 views

Sazz thought there was another murderer in the building

A well trained sniper was available to shoot her across the courtyard at night

The crime scene was almost immediately cleaned up - to the point that they only figured it out b/c lester called about rescheduling the window repair

There's an apt that all the westie residents seem to use for reasons?

I vaguely think Lester and Ursula may be part of it?

[maineshewrote]

Actually can't wait to see six-year-old Junior Detective Keith Williams, ca season 10, roasting the shit out of the trio's murder board.

[potterandpromises]

Suspect list for season 4:

Joy

Jan

Scott Bakula

Matthew Broderick

The Sixth Avenue Slasher

Disgruntled Splash Actor (hitting Oliver where it hurts: Charles.)

President McKinley (it was revenge on Charles for putting him through the toilet.)

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And yet again, omitb has made me retroactively fall in love with someone who's already dead. The story of Dudenoff creating his weird little found family was beautiful and it only makes me like him and all the Westies more. In the first episode he was just a name and potential threat, and he's gradually gotten filled out until Lifeboat (which he was), where we got to hear his story from him and his family.

Yeah, he made them all complicit in covering up a crime. And he lied to Helga. But he was looking out for them all in the best way he could, or at least thought he could.

BUT YO. Glenn CANNOT be Sazz's killer. Because if he killed her, then who tried to kill him? And why would he have cared about covering up anything that happened in the Arconia? Not to mention those creepy notes went to the trio's phone after he was already in a coma.

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OMITB SEASON 4 KILLER OBSERVATIONS

I'm re-watching Only Murders In The Building from the very beginning while I work on some stuff and I have thoughts I need to get out

The killer has been teased since the very beginning but it's so discreet that I didn't notice it and it was swept under the rug until just now

When Charles and Oliver were talking about Splash and now they've both failed in their careers, Charles mentioned that he's had his failures and hurt alot of people in the process. The next thing I noticed was that when they published their first episode, one of the very first comments of the 4 listeners was trash talking Charles. Then, of course, they poisoned Winnie shortly afterwards. Basically the same night.

Does the dude just have a Google Alert for anything relating to Charles? How else could they listen to such an obscure and beginner podcast otherwise? Maybe they bugged the place since they're clearly able to get in and out anywhere with ease without being noticed

Whoever Charles wronged in the past clearly still has some kind of long-time grudge, probably from his Brazzos days. This grudge lasted so long that they stayed in the Arconia with the soul intent on getting revenge with a vantage point to his room from the west tower

Mind you, they've probably been living there since before the podcast even started. The killer didn't take out their revenge until AFTER the first episode was posted. They've been festered in the building for who knows how many years, just waiting for the day they can get back at Charles for whatever they did wrong

I don't still have no idea who the killer is or have any suspects but whatever Charles did must've been serious. Possibly life ruining, driven to the point of stalking and trying to kill him

Whoever this Moriarty-esque suspect is, they've got some serious dedication to revenge

[aardvaark]

only murders in the building s3e8 spoilers ahead!

this is the best photo i could get of the strips of paper that have been pieced together so far. all we can see is:

"02/16/2023

mmence on

sion, and

until and

(line gap)

society,

performing

composer

however,

right to

where it"

now that’s… fairly vague, lol. not too much to be gathered, except that it relates to the play itself - words like "performing" and "composer" seem to show that. in other words, it’s probably not the autopsy report or someone’s diary. the first unfinished word is probably "commence". this makes it sound formal. again, unlikely to be a diary or a letter to a close friend or something.

so what could it be? personally, my current standing theory is that it’s Maxine’s review. i have a few reasons for this:

we know that Maxine has written a review. yes, she was originally writing by hand and her pen ran out of ink, but she mentions in episode 2 that it was some of her best writing which sounds like she had finished it later, plus it’s her job to write these reviews, im sure she must have finished it. and so there exists a "vitriolic" absolute pan of the play somewhere. one that we’ve never seen and which Maxine didn’t show to Oliver. maybe we can’t see it because it’s been shredded.

the language, from the small bits we can see, would make sense for a review. first she states when the play "commences" for its opening night. then she reviews the various elements of the play, such as the "performing" and notes things like who the "composer" is and whether they did a good job. the word "however" makes me think that the writer is giving some sort of a negative opinion there. which, you know, is what the review is.

Maxine is a character we were introduced to in the second episode but really haven’t explored. i don’t necessarily think she is the murderer; in fact, i can’t even think of a motive she’d have. but, i think they introduced her for a reason.

a scathing review could absolutely generate anger or violence in someone. imagine you’ve put your heart and soul into your performance or crew role for months, only to get insulted and for the show to be an utter failure. it could mean the end of your career or the loss of a lot of money.

but even if it is Maxine’s review, and even if someone was upset by it, why would that lead to Ben’s death? i do have a theory for that. it might not be the correct one, but it’s my best shot at the moment:

Cliff and Donna (the mother and son producer people) have repeatedly expressed that this play is high stakes for them. it’s Cliff’s producing debut and they need it to be perfect. the problem is, the show was far from perfect - something that they may have already realised to an extent, but which that pan confirmed. plus, a terrible review by a famous reviewer would lose them money and reputation. if one or both of them got their hands on Maxine’s review, it makes sense that they’d destroy it and want to put an end to the show in a way that can’t be blamed on them. an accidental death on stage - with the autopsy report altered to day there wasn’t any poison, and we know it was altered cause it was negative for meth - would solve their problem, as well as draw them a lot of press attention (any publicity is good publicity), and finally, would prevent the review from ever being published because no one would publish a scathing review of a recently deceased young man’s performance. i can imagine that the producers would have access to and knowledge about the set and theatre, which would allow for the spooky ghost stuff that seemed like more than a coincidence in "Ghost Light". they’d also have access to Ben’s room to plant the poison cookies (because c’mon, he was clearly talking to a plate of cookies in the dressing room video).

additionally, Donna’s speech to Loretta in the bathroom makes me suspect her more. and Loretta’s song, while clearly more about sacrificing herself for her own son in that moment, could double as meaning that Donna would kill for Cliff’s sake to protect his reputation in the industry. and as Loretta says, poisoning as a murder method tends to point to a woman murderer - this is actually true according to data on homicides. Donna is a woman, she would do anything for her son, the review would ruin his reputation in her mind, she poisons Ben to end the play.

then there’s Ben’s apologies in episode 1. to Cliff… well, he forgets Cliff’s name for one thing, and then he basically just says he’s sorry for being so annoying to them and complaining about his dressing room. then he continues to complain about his dressing room before moving on.

while Donna may have done the first murder, i don’t think she did the second. perhaps it was Cliff, pissed at his non-apology and wishing the man was dead for real. perhaps it was someone else entirely (probably a man since they haven’t had a male murderer so far and have even pointed that out).

but again, this is still a very loose theory based solely on the possibility that that document is the review. what else do y’all think it could be? or what else could have happened if it is indeed the review?