#I triggered the party for the first time about 1/3 of the way through Act 1
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avariceaside · 3 months ago
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You guys do not understand the lengths I am going to so that Karlach's approval is high enough for a romance during the tiefling party
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actual-lea · 1 year ago
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So who wants to hear about the stupid stupid way I'm playing Baldur's Gate 3?
I made it to Act 3 on my first (original character) playthrough like a week before Patch 5 came out, and after finding it absolutely unplayable (on the PS5) decided it was time to go ahead and start an origin character run for the funsies while waiting on the new patch to fix the Lag Hell. Naturally, I picked Gale. Since this was mostly just for fun/to hold me over until I could continue my other file, I decided it would be a nice time to see what happens if you just refuse to consume any magic items. Of course, if you are not playing as Gale and ignore his Orb Problem, he will apparently eventually leave your party, but what if you ARE Gale? I couldn't find an answer with a minimal amount of Googling SO
There are three stages to his Arcane Hunger, each of which give you increasingly debilitating debuffs: Arcane Hunger, Greater Arcane Hunger, and Severe Arcane Hunger. It seems the triggers for progressing to the next stage are the same as the triggers where he would start needing an item in my other file (i.e. that bridge next to the Blighted Village, entering the temple at the Goblin Camp, the Hag's Lair, etc.) which obviously makes sense. I figure with the amount of contingencies in this game for incredibly specific situations, surely there is some kind of unique dialog or fun cutscene that will play if I ignore the Arcane Hunger long enough and just play through the debuffs.
I played Act 1 completely normally, doing a lil quicksave every time I was about to Long Rest just in case the game gave me a cutscene of the big explosion upon waking up (I thought maybe it would be time-based, similar to the game over you get if Gale dies and you leave him for 3 days (? I think?) which does not seem to be the case). I made it through basically everything without anything odd happening besides the aforementioned debuffs. The Severe Arcane Hunger is where things get really sloggy, because Gale can only move at half speed.
I have been slowly trudging EVERYWHERE since the Goblin Camp.
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I eventually started going out of my way to make sure I hit all the Arcane Hunger triggers I know about, to see what would happen, and the answer is nothing, aside from Gale occasionally reminding me that he's wracked with terrible pain.
So, surely, the game will certainly not let me into the Mountain Pass without SOMETHING happening, right?
WELL
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That's surprising, but whatever, at least now I have the chance to see what happens if you go meet Elminster without having consumed any magic items,
Except
He wasn't there.
I went to the area in the Mountain Pass where the cutscene is supposed to start, and it just. Didn't happen. Nothing happened. I could walk right up to the entrance to the next area.
But SURELY, the game won't let me into the gotdamn Shadow-Cursed Lands without saying SOMETHING about the fact that the orb has been starving for several weeks at this point, right? The game isn't going to let me into Act Freaking 2 without at the very least giving me a game over to tell me I'm not allowed to do this and make me reload and actually feed this poor starving wizard, right?
RIGHT?
WELL
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WELL
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Here we are. I'm at the Last Light Inn, I'm at the Taco Bell, I'm at the combination Last Light Inn Taco Bell with a bag full of delicious Cheesy Gordita Magic Boots that I refuse to eat.
SO LIKE. How far does this go??? Am I gonna be able to infiltrate Moonrise Towers without ever speaking to Elminster? Am I gonna trudge all the way to Ketheric at half freaking speed and fight him with Disadvantage on everything?? Am I gonna make it all the way to goddang Baldur's Gate with a Netherese orb that is long overdue to explode???
Like I said, I did not find an answer on what happens if you do this on a Gale Origin playthrough, and at this point, I don't even want to, I just want to see how far I can take this.
I already know I'll have to do another normal Gale playthrough where I actually FEED HIM after this, because I'm sure I've missed out on a ton of dialogue and whatnot, especially from Tara who only ever has this to say when I speak with her in camp:
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I am genuinely beginning to wonder if there is actually nothing in place to stop me from doing this. I am wondering what the dialogue options will look like when I get to the "Heart of the Absolute" where Gale would ordinarily want to blow himself up, if Elminster had ever shown up to tell him to do so. Maybe the devs just didn't bother, and figured that no one would be stupid and stubborn enough to play through the whole dang thing while so severely debuffed.
Joke's on them, Disadvantage means NOTHING to Magic Missile Machine Gale Dekarios.
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nostalgiclittlespace · 3 months ago
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help idk how to be a caregiver
TW: Brief mention of ABDL and kink
Not to worry, I’ll run you through the basics!
Firstly, Caregiving, put simply, is take care of an age regressor. And taking care of an age regressor just means helping someone who thinks and feels younger than they actually are. While this can seem daunting, especially at first, here are some tips :)
1.Firstly, communication is key. When acting as a Caregiver, you should probably know how, when, and why your Little regresses. Asking your regressor about their individual needs is really the most important thing. There isn’t a cookie cutter answer, as we all have different triggers, tastes, etc. Some good points of discussion are:
What age do they usually regress to?
How often and for how long do they usually regress?
What gear do they use?
When do you need to be present/contactable?
What are good or happy things that can cause regression? What bad things can trigger it?
Are they prone to pure or impure regression?
What things make them happy when regressed?
2. Based on the established needs of your regressor, it might be a good idea to get basic supplies. For example, snacks, sippy cups, stuffed animals, and coloring books. These are not necessities, especially if they already have their own gear, though I do recommend them for ease and comfort.
3. Most regressors really just want to be cared for like children. Using nicknames such as ‘kiddo’ or ‘baby,’ helping them with tasks such as cooking, playing toys with them, talking through something scary going for a walk together; it’s all about retaining that child like experience, with you taking the place of a parent or babysitter.
4. Know their interests and hobbies and engage with them. Watching Bluey, having a tea party, reading, gaming, exploring the park—whatever it is. Just doing it with them will make them happy.
5. You might already know this since you’re on my blog, but Caregiving is in no way NSFW. It is entirely SFW. Do not confuse it for any ABDL or kink relationship. Again, you probably know this, but I do feel the need to say it since this will be circulating this side of the internet.
6. Just be there. Listen to them talk excitedly about their day. Tell them you’re proud. Give them a sticker. Remind them you love them. It’s those small things that really mean a lot. 7. Lastly, here are some important things not to do. All of the things listed below can be incredibly damaging or even traumatic
DO NOT:
Say derogatory things like “you’re too old to be acting this way.”
Sexualize their regression
Intentionally trigger them without permission
Weaponize or withhold caregiving and regression, such as “I won’t take care of you if you do this” or “I’m going to tell everyone about this if you don’t listen.”
Disrespect or disregard their opinions because of their headspace
Use corporeal punishment
Generally do/say anything that is unkind or disrespectful!
Ok, that’s all I can think of for now. I might update this as time goes on. And if anyone in the community has anymore suggestions, feel free to add them! And to you personally, anon, thx for taking the time to ask and learn about all this. I know it’s a lot, but just that you’re willing to educate yourself on the community means so much. So thank you! anyway, hope you all are having a great day!
-Marty
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tagsecretsanta · 2 months ago
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From @idontknowreallywhy
From @idontknowreallywhy to @womble1
My prompts were:
1. There's no such thing as a free lunch.
2. The sound of laughter.
3. Sirens blared, warning of the approaching...
Things went a little… bizarre 🤣 (Apologies in advance for the earworms)
A Refrigeration Situation
Sirens blared, warning of the approaching apocalypse.
Or at least that was the impression the sociopath who had chosen this frantic tri-tone screeching sound clearly wanted to inflict upon the eventual owner of their top of the range high tech appliance.
The very one Virgil was about to take a wrench to. A heavy wrench.
Except that doing so would mean he had to remove at least one of the hands he had clamped hard over his ears. And he was not ready for that yet.
His teeth vibrated at the frequency of unbearable and he yelled Brains’ name again. No way of knowing if there was a reply because he would likely never hear again.
Alright, deep breath. It was no worse than that time Gordo tried to learn the bagpipes.
He shuffled closer to the cursed thing and peered at the luminous green and yellow message flashing from the excessively complicated control panel.
TEMPERATURE WARNING!
Oopsie!!! Too toasty right now!
… what the?
Virgil prodded the “more info” button with his elbow and was rewarded with an error code and a string of screaming face emojis.
“EOS?!” He bellowed above the din “You have the manual for this thing? What is Error Code S1E11?”
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The first indication that everything had gone sideways was when MAX shot through the living room and out again bleeping frantically and waving his arms around. This didn’t cause much of a flickering of Tracy eyelids because it had happened so many times before when Brains had started musing about extreme upgrades to his mechanical assistant. As MAX’s personality developed, so it seemed did his sense of self and his attachment to his physical form. Brains did not share this attachment and thus MAX continued to evolve and generally came to enjoy the additions to his capabilities eventually. Virgil remained unconvinced that MAX’s new ability to hover 6cm above the floor was really worth the shrill daggers of noise produced by six tiny VTOL jets but most of Brains’ inventions came in handy in unexpected ways so he wasn’t about to argue.
What made today’s demonstration of those rockets weird though, was that MAX zoomed straight out of the glass doors, off the balcony and into the swimming pool.
Whereupon he sank like a stone.
And stayed there. His inflatable water wings remained inactive, which again was odd because the trigger was supposed to be automatic. They’d seen them in action on many sunny afternoons when Brains firmly refused all invitations to join the pool party but his robot assistant had attended in his stead.
Gordon promptly dived in to rescue him. MAX refused to be rescued.
There was no response on the internal comms so Virgil had volunteered to take the elevator down to Brains’ lab to let him know. And to check everything was… well… alright with their resident genius.
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The speaker by the ceiling crackled into life and Virgil’s digital niece appeared to be singing at him. Loudly. And just a fraction of a fraction off key:
“Why’d ya have to make things so complicateeeeeeeed?”
“EOS?”
“I see the way you’re acting like you’re someone else, gets me frustrateeeeeeeed!”
“Um… right.”
Virgil stood frozen in the confluence of two sonic hellscapes.
“We might have a situation!” EOS’s feed was suddenly cut and replaced with his brother’s shout.
John materialised with Brains at his heels.
“You don’t say.” Virgil yelled back.
“We have to shut it down.”
“Right! It’s painful!”
“Not the noise the whole…“ John waved his tablet at the fridge and continued at the top of his voice. “EOS is in defence mode - when she detects a hostile digital presence she sings at it and refuses to accept any incoming data. I suggested it as an improvement to the LALALALALALALA approach she took with me.”
“You suggested Avril Lavigne?!”
“She’s going through a… phase.”
“EOS is going through a pop punk phase?”
“Last week it was Irish boybands. There was… a discussion. My musical tastes were found lacking and I have deemed it prudent not to comment any further on the topic.”
Virgil was saved from working out how to tactfully respond by the remainder of his brothers thundering down the corridor.
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“Oh! It’s just Fridgey!” Gordon skipped up, confident he could save the day and double tapped the control panel in the top right, just like the saleswoman had shown him. The noise stopped. Virgil remained frozen in place, looking as though somebody had hit him with a spade.
Scott prised his brothers’ hands from his ears.
“Virgil, you with us?”
Scott patted the bear on the shoulder then shifted The Look at him.
“Gordon, did it come with a manual?”
“Pfft what comes with a manual these days? It’s all inbuilt…” he poked at the control panel again but the error code persisted. “Ok maybe we could Google it?”
John hissed.
“Or any search engine or hacking method of your preference, Johnny boy”
“Don’t call me Johnny. What’s the model number?”
“Ooh no idea err….” Gordon swept his eyes over the front face of the refrigeration unit until his eyes alighted on the embossed text on the bottom left.
“It’s called FRIDGLER 4000”
Scott’s head snapped up.
“YOU BOUGHT A FRIDGE FROM FISCHLER???!!!”
There was a silence.
“LANGSTROM FISCHLER???!!!”
Oh crap.
“I didn’t know it was him!!! I thought he just made weather stuff!! And stupid rockets! I just thought it was a cute name for a fridge! I… I was more focussed on the Features.”
“What feature could possibly be more important than it being made by that… by that…” Scott, aware of Grandma’s approach from the elevator, reached for an appropriate word but floundered.
“Rat-faced weasel?” Alan ventured and then blushed as he received his eldest brother’s finger guns of approval.
Gordon didn’t need those. He didn’t. But he did desperately need to justify himself.
“It was the biggest I could get for the budget you gave me! It was internet-linked to make the grocery run easier - Grandma liked that! And it had cool features like the snow cone maker, everyone has enjoyed those! And… and the instafreeze Virg and Brains have used that loads for their espresso cubes this summer… and there was that special humidity-controlled section to stop your pie crusts getting soggy, Scooter! You weren’t complaining about that!!!”
Gordon looked around at a full house of angry Tracy eyebrows.
“I DIDN’T KNOW IT WAS GONNA GET SENTIENT AND START FIGHTING EOS.”
John pointed one shaking finger at the sickeningly cute animation of a bubbling conical flask beaming happily at them all from the control panel.
“None of you noticed it either…” that may have been whinier than Gordon was proud of.
Maybe it was the reminder that his little brother appreciated the importance of a reasonably firm crust that softened the big brotherly heart. Maybe it was just the realisation that said crusts were unchilling… and fast. Either way? Scott intervened just as Alan opened his mouth to add his verbal interpretation of John’s silent scorn.
“Alright. This isn’t getting us anywhere. What we need to focus on is how to fix the situation. Our first priority has to be saving the food else it’s gonna be a lean, lean Christmas.”
Vehement agreement filled the air.
“What are our options? The kitchen fridge has limited free space. Hmmm. Brains, can we use your cold storage in the lab?”
“Ah w-well there are a f-f-few p-p-p-projects whose g-gaseous em-missions m-might interact p-p-p-p-problematically w-with items intended f-for human c-c-c-c-consumption…”
“You’ve been making new engine coolants again.” John stated with a sigh.
“Y-yes. Incredibly t-t-toxic.”
“We can’t risk a toxic turkey.” Virgil mused.
“Or a noxious nut roast?” Alan added tentatively.
“Or lethal lebkuchen dough!” Gordon accepted Alan’s high five.
“Or fatal figgy pudding” John added in a disarmingly perfect British accent.
“Or soggy crusts.” Scott added distractedly, poking cautiously at the twinkling control panel
Gordon was shook. His facepalm echoed down the corridor. “BRO… you wound me deeply! “Poisoned pie” was right there for the taking. RIGHT THERE.”
Scott was spared the shame of acknowledging this failure by a sickeningly cheery voice blaring out from a hidden speaker.
“Good Evening Insert-User-Name-Here! You have activated Voice Control, you clever sausage. Please speak your command loudly and cheerfully!”
Scott swore under his breath as his siblings chorused their disapproval.
“W-well it m-might work.”
Even as the words left his mouth Brains rolled his eyes at his own optimism. Gordon felt compelled to defend the indefensible.
“It might! He’s got to get lucky sometimes, right?”
Brains snorted.
“Well what choice do we have?” Virgil gestured at Scott to give it a go.
Scott nodded and visibly steeled himself as if about to leap into an abyss. He cleared his throat and used his clearest most commanding voice:
“Set refrigeration temperature to 2 degrees Celsius.”
“Oooh someone’s a grumpy pants. Give it another go.”
“What?!!”
“I don’t think it was cheerful enough bro.”
“You gotta be kidding me.” Scott rolled his eyes and tried again.
“Oooh someone’s a grumpy pants. Give it another go.”
“I’M PERFECTLY CHEERFUL! I AM A RAY OF SUNSHINE!”
“Scotty Scotty Scotty…” Gordon inserted himself between the control panel and the man who appeared ready to break it with his face. “Allow me.”
“Hey hey fridgey buddy! It would be awesome if you could maintain a steady refrigeration temperature of two degrees Celsius. Thanks a million!”
There was a slight pause.
“Hmm your accent’s a bit funny isn’t it but I think I got it. Switching to proving drawer mode. Target temperature 38 degrees Celsius. Your rise is going to be GLORIOUS!”
Ah.
“NONONONONOOOOOOOO!!” Scott howled and yanked on the handle which refused to budge.
“Uh uh! No peeking! Patience is the most important ingredient in bread making. I’ve cleverly applied the locks so you won’t be tempted!”
“You’re a fridge!!! Make it cold! Make it COLD!! Don’t ruin my crusts!” He sank to his knees and hammered on the door as if his beloved pastry might hear and open it from the inside.
Gordon, detecting a dangerous deterioration in his elder brother’s grip on sanity, shuffled hurriedly backwards. Virgil growled and ran from the room.
John stabbed at his tablet “Unbelievable! This thing is unhackable. The code is completely illogical. I think this part is the dna sequence of a banana…”
Alan nodded seriously as if he too could recognise the genome of any given fruit on sight. John sighed.
“EOS? It’s me. Please engage? This is an emergency situation.”
The AI passionately informed him that he was a skater boy.
Alan edged himself towards the control panel and peered at it thoughtfully. Perhaps it was something Game Theory could help with.
The happy conical flask bubbled innocently at him as if to say “Press me! Go on! What’s the worst that could happen?”
“I w-would advise against…”
Brains advice was interrupted by the sound of the door at the end of the corridor flying off its hinges and the familiar hiss-whine of an exo-suit powered by angry eyebrows. NOTHING and NOBODY would make Scott beg and remain in one piece.
Alan pressed the button. A twangy guitar riff was followed by the cheery voice crooning “oooh, baby”.
Alan took personal offence and punched it. The track increased in speed:
“OohbabyoohbabyIt'smakingmecrazyit'smakingmecrazyEverytimeIlookaroundlookaroundEverytimeIlookaroundeverytimeIlookaroundit’sinmyfacehowvbizarrehowbizarrehowbizarrehowbizzzzz”
Virgil emitted something akin to a war cry and tried to reach around his sobbing elder brother to rip the door from the cursed appliance when suddenly everything went quiet.
Kayo walked around the side of the fridge holding a cable with a plug dangling limply from the end.
Grandma gasped. Alan blinked. Brains’ jaw dropped. Scott sniffled. Virgil’s exo-suit wheezed as he sagged in relief. John head butted his tablet.
Gordon sat on the floor and laughed hysterically.
Kayo handed the plug to Virgil who crushed it with his pincers.
Scott scrambled to his feet and dragged the door open and the family feasted their eyes upon their festive bounty.
“Well, we’d better get all this upstairs to the other fridge then? hadn’t we?” Grandma decided to take charge.
“But there isn’t enough space in the upstairs fridge.” Alan whispered.
“We’ll have to prioritise.” Grandma’s tone shifted to that of a doctor giving bad news.
With a yelp, the Commander of International Rescue leaped forward, grabbed three boxes of pies and sprinted for the stairwell.
The others watched him leave.
“Shall we take the rest in the elevator?”
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True to his role as the resident genius, Brains’ suggestion that the best way to avoid waste was to eat most of it today had cheered the family up no end. Scott, John and MAX (who had finally emerged from the pool) cooked up a storm in the kitchen and created the largest and most eclectic Christmas Dinner Tracy Island had ever seen.
John had persuaded EOS to restore contact and she was providing a soundtrack of Christmas hits interspersed with her favourite festive jokes. Gordon and Kayo were competitively decorating a lebkuchen penguin army. Gradually the basement fridge was emptied.
Virgil and Alan did the last run which turned out to be armfuls of cheeses of indeterminate vintage. Trying not to breathe too deeply, Virgil kicked the door closed and Alan stuck his tongue out at the errant fridge before they turned their backs and walked companionably towards the elevator.
The control panel flickered.
Very faintly, at the very limit of human hearing, there was the sound of laughter.
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sleeplesssmol · 10 months ago
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do you have any headcanons on how vertin's emotions manifest?
like how she experiences certain things and how that looks on the outside to the people around her
i've been thinking about angry vertin lately and how she'd react if something REALLY upset her
to me she strikes me as someone who would not yell or exhibit her anger very clearly (unless the receiving party is someone she hates, say, arcana, like how she snapped at her in chapter 5), but she doesn't repress it too much around those she cares about, just sorta indirectly saying "i do not wish to talk right now" in a slightly snappy way
The Trails (in Atlas) throughout Reverse 1999 paint a picture of an emotional person who has perfected hiding her feelings. With that said, I do HC Vertin as someone who perceives her own emotions differently from others.
For example, while many of us get "caught up in the moment", Vertin is the type to always take a step back and think "Is this worth getting angry about?"
As the only known person (so far) with guaranteed Storm Immunity, this changes the way she sees things. In her mind, she can lose her allies and friends at any time. It's why she is is generous as well as flexible with their demands. She tried to get Regulus A SHIP and her dialogue/Wilderness interactions show she'd rather go with the flow than argue. Oliver Fog even says she has a "conciliatory" nature.
Vertin is a big picture thinker. Regardless of her current anger, she loves her friends. Anger is temporary but relationships are long lasting if nurtured. Therefore acting on her anger isn't worth it because it's unproductive and she could hurt them. Instead, she focuses on working things out.
Going off of that, She considers hurtful words and shouting go against what she she wants to be: a safe haven for her friends. Her anger manifests more as disappointment or as regret for having to go through these painful feelings with whoever she is arguing with. I think in the worst case scenario, she'll excuse herself before she reaches her boiling point because she doesn't want to snap.
However, if you turn your back to storm off in a huff, she'll call after you and this is where the masks slips. It's not anger you'll hear, it's fear. Fear that you'll leave before you two can fix what's broken between you. She won't chase you because she'll assume you need time to cool off but she'll be on edge until you return.
Sometimes, people mistake this as her not taking them seriously because she doesn't get "passionate" (super angry) about things, but she's seeing things from a different point of view. With that said, she is stern when she has to be and won't back down from doing what she deems as the appropriate course of action. She will always hear others voices on the matter though (and her friends seem to trust so that makes things easier).
On the other hand, if Vertin does something she's quick to try and make amends.
And if we really think about, hasn't Vertin always asked people how they feel, how they're doing, and so on? By being proactive, she can eliminate a lot of tension before it blooms into conflict by addressing it. On the receiving end, Vertin would feel very hurt if she couldn't make things up to you.
1. She failed to make things right.
2. She is causing pain (negative emotions in general) in someone.
3. She isn't sure what to do and might back off (or shut down) completely out of fear of making things worse. It's the lesser of two evils to let you go as a happier person than to stick around you and make you angrier. If it gets to that point, good luck trying to approach her. She'll be one step ahead of you, always gone before you can speak to her. Stealth is one of her specialties and it'll be like trying to catch a cat who wants to be as far from you as possible.
So what about pure, raw, rage? It's interesting you bring up Arcana! When they first put on the friendship-bracelets (?), it was Vertin who triggered them with her anger/killing intent.
Arcana only triggered the bracelet when she sent her followers to attack Vertin's crew.
Arcana's attitude toward Vertin is not a front, but a genuine fascination. She doesn't "hate" Vertin while Vertin is ready to pull a Green Oranges on her. Sure Vertin raised her voice and whatever at Arcana, but that's the type of things we expect from a normal argument.
Vertin was ready to kill this woman. If Vertin starts displaying "normal" signs of anger, that is not normal.
She's that meme that goes "looks like a cinnamon roll but can kill you".
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tosodev · 5 months ago
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Devblog 015:
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I did really good work yesterday and then would up passing out before I could write a devblog (why I was writing the first couple in "past tense")
Editor is now fully functional, I've also begun work on Pathfinding using the A* system. This'll be mostly used for Heros (obviously) as well as some homing dart spells(?) and making sure your dungeon is actually completable by a Hero.
Elaborating on how Dungeons will be checked, here are some visual representations of what'll happen.
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This one represents what an "Empty" room will look like. It'll check to see if it finds a valid path between the start (dark red) and the end (dark green) and if it does the room will be marked as an "Empty" room within the game. While the room isn't empty (since there's a dragon, seen by the purple pixels) it's technically empty since there's nothing to stop the Hero from walking all the way through.
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Here's a sped up version of this to show what a "Puzzle" room looks like. The game first does the method for an "Empty" room, but since there's no direct path to the end, it looks for the nearest "interactable" (switch, place, etc) and then marks the start location where it is, and then triggers it as a Hero would. Then it repeats the process until it reaches the end.
All of this won't be done by the Hero as to make them feel natural. More than likely I'll have 3 different types of AI's for the Hero to use which'll make it act like different types of players (specifically dark souls players as the way that other people play those games facinates me)
So that's it. There'll only be 1 Hero or (if I have time) 1 Party of 4 Hero's active in the Dungeon at any time so depending on how I implement this algorithm for the Heros this should be pretty efficient. (Talking about Hero's pathfinding here since the Room Check will only be run once the player "saves changes" on the room, to reduce lag.)
Ok that's all I worked on I'm going to write another Log later for today (10/16) but until then... adios...
Katlikesnero
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bitchofdarkness · 1 year ago
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Just got the sudden urge to talk about this, cause I think we're not talking about it enough.
Han Ho-yeol really wasn't cut out for the military. He was a soft hearted guy, who tried his best to fit in with the other's, found sneaky ways to survive the craziness. Hell, he even full-on acted when he had to be tough. His little embodiments throughout the show are awesome, but also tell us a lot about Ho-yeol. He isn't tough, but that other person he impersonates is. I bet that he did the embodiment thing before entering the barracks to talk back at Jang-soo with ease.
In season 2 their MP Commander Yang Du-Gwan basically tells Ho-yeol his whole career is a pile of shit, meaning he probably spent a lot of time in the hospital for various things. What we know for certain is of three incidents:
1. after he got stabbed. (still as a Private)
2. his breathing problems before he comes back and meets Jun-ho. (had been a Corporal before that already)
3. after Suk-bong's attempted suicide. (Guess that experience was rewarded with the Sergeant rank or whatever)
We don't know exactly how long he stayed each time, but the last one was apparently 3 months- according to the MP Commander- maybe four when he actually got back into the field.
My best guess when Ho-yeol described it to Jun-ho in season 1 regarding the second hospital stay "I had trouble breathing, but they didn't find anything and wouldn't let me go to a hospital outside" is that he had panic attacks. Probably so severe that people didn't associate it with that and really assumed it was something physical.
I think those panic attacks probably go back to the first stay, due to the stab wound Nina gave him. I can only assume how afraid he must've been and frustrated that his teammate Park Sung-woo was more interested into partying than actually working with him side by side. There was no feeling of safety, or like someone had his back. The possibility of deserters getting violent had always been high, but after the attack it was a lot more palpable to him. So I wouldn't be surprised that some tight spots working a case just triggered a panic attack and thus eventually led him to the hospital.
Then we got the third incident where he went fully mute due to PTSD. He might've also been afraid to say something, knowing he would have to go back and possibly witnessing/living through more traumatizing stuff than he already had. Or maybe the muteism stemmed from the idea that his words don't change anything anyways, like with Suk-bong. He had tried so hard to talk the guy off his murder-suicide path and was met with disbelief and then the suicide was still attempted right in front of his eyes.
And I know what you might think, Ho-yeol was doing fine when he was at Jun-ho's side and yeah. That's a big point. Remember how Ho-yeol congratulated Jun-ho for beating up Park Sung-woo? He knew exactly why Jun-ho had done it and he also was immediately reassured that he'd be safe with that new fresh faced Private. Someone who could beat up a dude like Sung-woo? And who had to be pried off of him by multiple people? Someone who had been THAT mad about neglecting his duty as a DP and endangering a deserter? Yeah, Ho-yeol would not have to be afraid of deserters attacking him, he could finally breathe knowing he wouldn't be harmed. His anxiety wasn't gone, but he could cope better, since he didn't have to assume each encounter with a deserter would mean physical harm.
And look, season 2 Jun-ho made it even clearer that no one was gonna touch our sweetheart while he was around. So I guess Ho-yeol's faith in Jun-ho was valid.
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pixeldiaries · 1 year ago
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BG3 Honour Mode Act 1 Route
I am currently playing Honour Mode in Baldur's Gate 3 and I wanted to start adding notes/guides to help others through it if they need it. Honour Mode is the new difficulty in Baldur's Gate 3 that's just above Tactician, and you only get one save file. So if you TPK (total party kill) it really is game over.
I haven't completed it yet, but I'm finding it surprisingly not difficult. However, I did a lot of planning. The first act is supposedly the most difficult. I'll add and update with more encounters as I go along.
I'm playing a custom character (Tav), as a moon druid. This is a guide for a Good/neutral aligned run.
Continue reading for the Level 1 to 4 Guide. FULL SPOILERS ahead.
Nautiloid:
pick up all the cartilogenous chests in the first room
rescue US
Free Shadowheart
kill the cultist thralls (for XP), either use the console or fight them
loot everything (you will need the gold)
there is a pink nautiloid explody vat by Shadowheart. Pick this up.
prepare the Command spell on Shadowheart before the Cambion encounter. I replaced Shield of Faith.
drop the chests you picked up in the door way right before the last sphincter. If you can't move past them, neither can the extra cambions. This will buy you time to kill things and loot the place
collect all the nautiloid explosive vats and the void bulbs
use command on Commander Zhalk. Save your spell slots for command. If you can't get him to drop it, you will have to kill him for the sword.
if he drops it or if he is dead, loot the sword right away and beeline for the helm. Go into party view and MAKE SURE THIS SWORD IS IN TAV'S INVENTORY RIGHT AWAY (just in case you lose your companions at anypoint)
The Crash Site
Save Shadowheart
loot everything. You need at least one set of thieves tools. Disarm kit is a bonus.
skip the intellect devourers by scaling the cliffs on the right.
Save Gale
Save Lae'zel
go back to the ship and kill the Intellect Devourers (xp!)
go find the Harper chest by the beach where Astarion is hanging out
go get ganked by Astarion
get some rest if needed. Switch in Astarion.
go to the Ruined refectory
intimidate or persuade the bandits there. No one gets any cheese.
Do not go into the refectory here. Go around the back, find the hatch to the crypt
read the Book of the Dead to give you inspiration.
fight the dead monks
go get Withers.
go the other crypt and open the trapped sarcophagus. If you don't have a disarm kit, keep 3 of your party outside, position 1 by the sarcophagus, turn on Turn-Based mode, loot the sarcophagus and dash out before the trap goes off. It's a nice spear.
Important tips:
long rest when your health and spell slots are low. Try to be at every major encounter fully rested
loot everything. Find every chest. Sell everything. If you fail survival checks, start digging anyway. You need all the gold.
COLLECT ALL THE EXPLOSIVE things. Put them in your camp traveller chest but loot them. I don't care if you think Barrelmancy is an exploit, this is Honour Mode.
The Emerald Grove
get some rest if needed
kill the rest of the bandits in the refectory for XP. Remember to have an escape route if things go south.
Tip: you can use the door to block attacks, and this way you can concentrate on any enemies that ran into the room.
go to the Emerald Grove, help Aradin, Wyll and Zevlor fight the goblins
do all the Emerald grove stuff
add Wyll to your group
talk to Ethel. Do NOT tell her about your tadpole. She will stay at the Grove and everytime you long rest, her stock replenishes. Suggested purchases: health potions, elixir of hill giant strength
only use gold on potions. Resist the temptation to buy all the dyes like I do
talk to Kagha. DO NOT USE FRIENDS ON KAGHA. Unless you want to trigger the tiefling massacre.
rescue Arabella
talk to Nettie. Loot all the scripts in the library.
Go talk to Alfira. Tell her you will help her write her song, so you get proficiency with a musical instrument. It's a bonus if you don't have a bard in the group, but distracting people will be very helpful.
don't fight the harpies just yet
Go find Sazza and free her (she will make it easier to get past the a goblin checkpoint).
DO NOT GO OUT the Emerald grove. Take the passageway behind the prison, and kill the goblins there for XP. Make sure to keep Sazza hidden in the back.
before you heal/wakeup the unconscious halfling druid there, pickpocket him for a +1 Nature head piece.
get out of the secret passageway. Go scale the cliffs in front of the Emerald Gold entrance. At the top, loot a skeleton for a Guidance neckpiece.
find the spider hole and grab he spider egg sac.
continue down the road and talk to the Absolute cultists. This is important: Try not to fight them. Have them "get revenge" on the owlbear instead.
it's up to you if you want to use the tadpoles or not. Tadpole powers make things a bit easier, but not necessary. Personally I have been resisting them.
go get Scratch
DO NOT talk to the Absolute siblings yet. Wait until you are level 4 for the Owlbear encounter
Blighted Village/Waukeen's Rest
persuade the goblins in Blighted Village to let you pass without a fight.
Rescue Barcus Wroot. Gnomes can't fly well.
If you trigger a fight, focus fire on the head goblin Fezzerk first. Once his health is low, he will beg for his life instead.
Talk to the ogres if you are confident in your persuasion skills or if you are sure you can beat them. At level 3, it's doable but a bit more difficult. You will want to kill them for Lump's intellect headpiece, but you may want them to fight for you instead.
You can find the cellar in the Apothacary shop, loot all the potions and herbs there
optional but tricky depending on your rolls and positioning: go kill the skeletons and talk to the mirror. Go find the Necromancy of Thay. Tav should probably read the book.
head north out of Blighted Village
find an uncommon (green) dagger stuck in some roasting mystery meat.
interrupt the bugbear and ogre in love if you want. It will be a bit of a challenging fight at level 3.
Go below the bridge, to avoid the hyenas/gnolls
Go to the tollhouse and talk to the paladins. Do not fight them.
If you collected the nautiloid explosive vats like I told you to do in the Nautiloid ship, start decorating around the Paladins with them. Two of them beside his desk should do. Do not fight them.
Go get Karlach
go to Waukeen's rest and do all the quests there. You can visit the Zhentarim hideout but be careful, if you fail with the guy keeping guard, he will blow you up. I recommend maybe keeping someone waiting outside.
Goblin Camp/Shattered Sanctum
go talk to the goblins. You can walk around if you are able to persuade the goblins at the first checkpoint
go talk to Volo.
go talk to Crusher. "Persuade" him to kiss your foot. He will go away and sulk alone on the bridge to the entrance
go inside the Shattered Sanctum.
talk to Priestess Gut. She will wait for you in her chambers
Rescue Volo
Rescue Liam
optional: talk to the Priest of Loviatar, Abdirak and get beaten by him. You get a buff.
I do not recommend talking to Dror Ragzlin or Minthara at this point, or attempting to rescue Halsin. If the talks go bad, you will have to fight.
if you still need more XP, you can fight the newborn gnolls on the Risen Road. They should be easy, but be prepared to kill the hyena runner fast, or deal with gnoll adds.
with Lae'zel in your party, you can also visit the Githyanki patrol and talk to Voss. Convince Lae'zel to play along and tell Voss that we'll help them find the "weapon" they seek. You DO NOT want to fight this patrol. They will murder you.
at some point after all this you should hit Level 4.
Owlbear
go to the Owlbear cave and head inside with the siblings
I'd recommend opening the Selune chest first to get the neck piece
go fight the Owlbear. In Honour mode, the Owlbear legendary action is that she will summon her mate so now you get to fight TWO full grown owlbears with the same HP and abilitlies AND the cub.
the siblings will distract the 2nd owlbear ideally.
Stay by the creek, it's a narrow section and doesn't let the owlbears maneouver very well
focus fire one, then the other.
make sure to pick up the owlbear egg and don't kill the cub.
Tip:
always kill one at a time if you can. This will knock enemies off the board, less chances for them to attack you. Even at 1 HP, enemies can cause trouble.
At Level Four you should be ready for most of the more trickier fights. I would recommend being at Level 5 to kill the Spider Matriarch, but all the other boss encounters in the area should be manageable. I'll write up my strat guide for the next post.
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ferrous-ironclaw · 11 months ago
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Thank you Larian Studios for providing the most tense experience of my recent gaming career.
It only took two attempts, the first one crashed and burned about eight hours in due to a softlock due to a bugged dialogue, and almost put me off trying again. But the second attempt flew past at breakneck pace.
My squad was Gale (Divination Wizard, for guaranteeing those critical CC spells), Karlach (Tavern Brawler Open Hand Monk, for quite possibly the highest DPR in the game), Shadowheart (Light Cleric Spell-Tank abusing Radiating Orb) and Anja, my PC (Halfling Lore Bard who talked their way out of every sticky situation Karlach couldn't punch).
Potential BG3 & Honour mode spoilers below:
Honorable mentions to Astarion, the incredible flying Owlbear (who helped me beat Grym by leaping from the top rope and doing an incredible 200 damage) and Jaheira, who helped me buff to avoid certain one-shot thresholds in the later game.
Honestly, I think I spent too much time prepping for this challenge. All the way back in Act 1, I was making choices to ensure I had access to certain allies and options later on in Act 3 to avoid difficult checks (like recruiting Yurgir for the Raphael fight) only to end up... not really needing them. Act 1 had some of the toughest fights by far, and making sure I hit the right thresholds for XP was really important. I remember tiptoeing through the Goblin Camp, hunting for shreds of XP to hit the right level to face the Goblin Leadership, only to end up being caught out and having to brute force my way through several fights. Inquisitor W'worgaz required a whole setup to ensure I could kill him in 2 rounds, but after he fell and I sauntered into Act 2 with the Blood of Lathander and Adamantine Scalemail for Shadowheart, I was feeling pretty confident.
I talked the three Thorms to death, fireballed some plants and blundered the portal fight (Sorry Halsin!) before finally rocking up to Catacombs and taking on the Trials of Shar. I cheesed Balthazar by using Knock on his door (and treating myself to a cutscene where the only member in range of the trigger was my Quasit, who looked very bewildered by the whole encounter) and the rest was a breeze. Even Ketheric fell over to Karlach's punches, and the final phase of the Illithid colony turned out to be pretty easy when I realised I could tank 99% of the Avatar of Myrkul's damage and negate his healing just by having Karlach stand in range with her Necrotic resistance and 20 AC, and having Gale haste himself and cast Bone Chill every round. Sucks to be beat at your own game, huh Myrkul?
Act 3 swiftly turned into a collect-a-thon as I scooped up the last few powerful items I needed to make endgame builds. Lorroakan never got a chance to cast a spell thanks to two characters with counterspell, and with Markoheshkir and the Weave set, Gale became the ultimate hobo wizard capable of blowing up pretty much any threat. Level 11 brought Globe of Invulnerability and turned some of my biggest fears (House of Grief, Gortash & Raphael) into steamrolls where I didn't even take a single point of damage, and never saw a single hostile action. Viconia De'vir spent her entire lifespan being Black Hole'd into a Wall of Fire/Black Tentacles/Silence combo that rendered her impotent, new Legendary actions and all. Gortash got one round of throwables in before Karlach turned his face into a grey paste with the aid of six attacks per round, and Raphael? Oh brother. Using all the explosives I could find in Felogyr's basement, I collapsed all his pillars and then stomped him into the ground with Stunning Strike and Tasha's Hideous Laughter.
Orin came close to ruining my run through my own hubris - She managed to out-initiative my party by quite a lot and land smack bang on top of my Danse Macabre ghouls... blowing them all up and causing a huge chunk of friendly fire to Gale, who went down to bleed before his turn came up. Fortunately, some well placed potion throws and a haste bottle brought both Gale & Globe of Invulnerability up, and upcast Magic Missile did the rest.
The walk to the brain didn't bother me, even though I did forget about Voss' ambush if you don't free Orpheus, because by that point I was so stacked with items anything without the ability to deny CC would just turn into oh-so-much chunky pulp whenever I looked at them. When the time came to fight the Netherbrain, I hesitated... the pressure of losing my run to the Brain's turn timer was terrifying, and I didn't want to take that risk.
So that was when the contingency I'd been planning from Day 1 came in.
I'd been romancing Gale. Primarily to get to see his scenes and how he was as a romantic partner, but also because it lowered the DC to persuade him to detonate the orb to a 25, with advantage. I had no re-rolls left, but thanks to my Halfling race, a natural 1 was unlikely. With all my buffs & stats, I needed a 3+ to succeed, and when that total came up with a 33 I knew I never needed to worry.
And just like that, Gale of Waterdeep sacrificed himself, and the golden dice were mine.
Thank you, Larian Studios. And thank you Gale. You're the best.
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stealthnoodle · 1 year ago
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More dispatches from my Dark Urge, who is trying her best not to disappoint her girlfriend (I have just kicked off Act 3)
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My Dark Urge run almost went a different direction because I thought Karlach's romance was bugged ("can't wait to bang you like a gong tonight," she insinuates, and five long rests later my gong remains unbanged), but I finally ran through everything else going on in my camp and was at long last rewarded.
Lisa Frank got that life-changing piping hot Karlussy and she is being SO GOOD now. She was already trending that way, but now there are no more secret midnight murder nibbles. She's gone cold turkey and wow is her butler sore about it
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The sheer number of times he tried to talk me into murdering Isobel was kind of hilarious. "You really want to kill her! ...Now she's all alone, so she would be super easy to murder! ...It's not too late to murder Isobel! ...She's right there, PLEASE, just one little murder? For me?" Sorry, bud, Lisa Frank likes Karlach more than viscera.
And I was STRESSED during the segment when the butler shows up and is like, you didn't kill Isobel? Fine. You're gonna sleep-kill Karlach. I burned some inspiration to make sure I woke her up instead of strangling her and the subsequent scene was absolutely wild. If Lisa Frank couldn't scare Karlach off with the murder-madness and the snarling and the biting, I guess these girls really are endgame! Peace and love on Planet Camp.
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(I continue to worry constantly about Scratch and the owlbear cub.)
I'm also very sure now that I was right about the Bhaal connection. Act 2 has a lot of good Dark Urge content and tasty, tasty hints, and I am absolutely going to have a big damn confrontation with Orin in Act 3, yeah? I am HYPE. Lisa Frank will rock that jutilated jarapace.
Unrelated to Dark Urging, I didn't fuck up recruiting Jaheira this time, but having her in my party was buggy as shit. First I somehow aggroed the Harpers during the tower fight and had to run deep into the wilds to get away from them. She never got the Flee option, but I guess they gave up chasing her after everyone else fled? I then had to give the Harpers gifts to talk to them again, because they were all at -40. I am 99% certain I didn't friendly-fire them during the fight. (Miette absolutely friendly-fired their asses and no one got mad at her, but who can stay mad at a perpetually affronted kitty?)
But this was merely the baffling beginning. Everything got turbo-weird at the top of the tower.
Jaheira took up a party member slot but was still attached to Lisa Frank like a summon after I invited her to join permanently, and idk if that's normal but it didn't seem normal. If I tried to go to camp before jumping down the big hole, she yelled at me and then vanished forever, and if I got in a fight with the Death Shepard, there was no way to end the combat without the game crashing. I thought I was being so clever using Invisibility to grab shit and scamper away without triggering the fight, but then I discovered killing Ketheric Thorm ALSO reliably crashed the game. I had to roll back to a save at the top of the tower, tell her to join me, and then send her ass to camp alone.
What a journey we went through together, and then didn't go through together after all.
Speaking of buggy shit: I recruited Minthara by seeing what would happen if I knocked her out in Act 1 instead of killing her, and the answer is that it counted for goblin leader removal purposes and that she turned up in Moonrise Tower in her underwear because I fully looted her unconscious body. I think the game doesn't really want you to do this, because she's sharing a tent with Halsin in a way that doesn't look comfortable or intentional. Or maybe they've got a thing going on, I sure won't judge. Anyway, I have been delighted by her takes on the other party members, especially her casual dismissal of Gale, hahaha.
I expect Act 3 to be a roller coaster, but my first order of business is getting into the city proper so I can blow all my money on fancy clothes and dyes. For two acts I have done my best with what I've been handed, but it's about to get FASHIONABLE up in here. Let us bid a fond farewell to Lisa Frank's Disney Princess era:
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fllagellant · 1 year ago
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For the companion tav ask game:
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< 33 THANK YOU MY FRIEND
questions here !
7) Do they have their own personal quest that spans the course of the game? Can it take different branching paths depending on the choices the Player Character makes?
Yes !!!!! I’ ve mentioned it before but his first love / childhood sweetheart made a deal with a Hag that went very poorly . In an attempt to keep them both safe , he begged the Hag to give him a way to take Giilvas out of harms way . She gave him a twine bracelet he had to cut when he believed Giilvas was in life threatening danger . What she did not tell him was this breaking of the bracelet would simply cause him and Giilvas to trade places .
His personal quest is triggered by killing Auntie Ethel . Giilvas has believed that he was not controlled by the terms of the hag pact , only to fall frighteningly ill after killing Ethel . This is the proof that Giilvas is still connected to the old Hag who first cursed his sweetheart , and that he is not safe from her .
Act two would involve him requesting to go to Last Nights Inn or Moonrise Towers ( depending on where the player goes first / chooses to take him ) to ask if anyone had possibly seen a Hag or signs of a Hag in the area . While this quest happens , he opens up a bit about the circumstances of his sweetheart’ s death and who he is ( if the player knows about him being the Golden Rose / Thorn of the Plains , he get’ s far more into the incident since it has been dramatized and retold over and over and he would like to set the record straight )
These leads are a dead end , since he cannot find the hag no matter how sure he was that she’ d be there .
Then you get to baldur’ s gate .
You have two long rests before he falls ill again . The exact same sickness he experienced after breaking one of the Hag’ s rules . This time , the sickness stays with him and will not go .
The players options are as follows ;
1) Don’ t help . You can tell him to leave your camp and figure this out alone . No more sticking your neck out for him . He curses you , in a semi delirious state , and is permanently kicked from your team . Ambiance dialogue in the refugee camps after kicking him out talk about hearing these pained screams coming from the distance, somewhere in the woods , and how no one saw anyone leave after that .
2) Find the Hag and enter the pact . You go one a little quest to find the Hag’ s lair . Giilvas will be present either in your party, or he will follow the player and reveal himself when you confront the Hag . When the player realizes the Hag will just kill Giilvas if she’ s attacked ( and if the player did not go through the effort of learning how to kill her without it killing her puppet ) the player can either leave ( leading to the first option again pretty much rip giilvas ) Or they can enter the pact themself .
The player will gain a twine bracelet , and it is explained that if it is broken , Giilvas will be right back where he started , and she won’ t play with him as long the next time the bracelet is broken . Giilvas will thank the player for taking this burden , and trusting that they will never break it . ( this could be the bittersweet option for a romance tbh ) Since he is an Elf , if he has a lifespan longer then the player’ s , he will make a comment about protecting their grave so that it never snaps
Secret 3) You enter the pact , then break the bracelet . Betrayal ending . Giilvas will flee the moment this occurs . If it happens while on the road , he will leave the party and run away . No cutscene , no nothing . If it happens in camp , he will have a small cutscene with him demanding answers as to why , and no matter what , he will leave . He is in danger again
4) Kill ! That ! Hag ! Like killing Ethel but you gotta do some research first and also you have to know Giilvas’ background as well . If the player can manage to make sure that Giilvas will be safe when they attack the Hag and that he will survive and that this will , indeed , break the pact , then … welll … You Know What Must Be Done
11) What do they say if the PC tries to force them to go up on stage with Dribbles the Clown?
He completely down , actually . When you first select him , he’ ll mention how he’ s had some material he’ s been wanting to show a real crowd . And that he can do better than Dribbles . When you commit to sending him up , he bows before he walks out of the crowd and onto the stage . He completely thinks he’ s gonna steal the show out from under Dribbles’ feet . Can we call this a himbo moment ?
12) Is it possible for your Tav to be kidnapped and replaced by Orin? How is Orin's deception revealed? How do they react to the PC rescuing them in the Temple of Bhaal?
Yes . As long as he is not sick , he can be kidnapped !
He tries to kill you . Smiles . ‘ Giilvas ‘ will sneak up on you as you sleep then , when you wake up , will talk about how he was a fool for following you . How he’ s neglected everything he’ s stood for to follow you , how he’ s becoming more and more like just a follower with no mind of his own . How he should kill you and be rid of a budding corruption . How everyone can succeed without you .
At that point , you either Pass Those Checks, Boy . Or you attempt to fight him off . Either way , Orin will laugh at you and reveal herself ( either saying that you caught her too late if you pass a check or that you never trusted him in the first place if you fail or if you go right into attacking him )
When he’ s rescued , he nearly catatonic . He utters a few ‘ thank you ‘ s and asks if he can go home yet . Once at camp , he’ ll try to laugh off what happened and will say that he was just a bit delirious . The player can push a bit at this and he’ ll open up a bit more about the sorts of horrors he saw . If he was romanced , he probably wouldn’ t try to joke about this and would play it waaay more straight about why he was in that state and would talk about what he was comfortable with talking about
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robinyourcreator · 3 months ago
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aha! I did have enough approval and Secret Nightsong Points that unless specifically pushed to kill her, she throws the spear away-- with one exception.
yelling under the cut
the exception was the "Please don't do this, Shadowheart" -> "You want a fight? Fine." options-- which 1) Wyll and Karlach both APPROVED of, ouch, 2) did really start a fight 3) made the narrator pop up as soon as initiative was rolled to say hey maybe you can bribe your way out of this with gifts
which, could have been VERY FUNNY if I'd had the True Love's Caress/Embrace rings or any night orchids on me, but alas
i chickened out before i could see if we could still try talk no jutsu after kicking her ass though, the thought of Not being that option and accidentally killing her was Too Much. I accidentally killed Bastila on the star forge at 15 the first time i played kotor all the way through and im still traumatized. cant do it.
also im annoyed for meta reasons because I know you have to roll for one or the other of sparing the nightsong or sparing shadowheart's parents-- if you succeed on rolling for one, you dont have to roll for her to spare the other, she'll do it on her own.
I'm not sure which feels scummier to me, from a metagaming perspective. they both dont feel Great. i, the player, know she's happiest if she spares them both, even if it means she lives the rest of her life subject to the wrath of a vindictive goddess giving her chronic pain whenever the whim takes her
but it feels icky to BE the player here, to be making the choice for her, if that makes sense?
not that uhhhh Adana is going to have terribly many compunctions about that in the moment. Shadowheart isn't acting like herself, and there's someone defenseless who needs her help right in front of her-- she's not going to be able to stand down for that. They're going to have a very nasty fight over it, I think-- because Adana's first response to this is going to be to Call Her Bluff, (putting herself in front of Aylin with a quiet, "Please don't do this.") which is just going to make Shadowheart Double Down. i havent played Shadowheart Origin yet but I imagine that's the sort of behavior that would get some VERY loud godly screaming in Shadowheart's head in response.
And that makes Adana also double down, (triple down?) so she's going to strip off all her weapons and armor and toss her flute to Wyll and keep standing there like... Alright, do it. You want to slaughter a defenseless woman for your goddess, you can start with me.
This leads to a very big screaming match and wrestling on the ground and both of them being as nasty as possible to each other until one of them finally breaks down crying which makes the OTHER break down crying.
(Alde, Wyll, and Karlach are VERY unhappy with this turn of events, but ALSO just watched Adana talk an orthon AND all his underlings into killing themselves so.... they're cautiously inclined to Let Her Cook?)
it works out.
it's just also very funny because Adana absolutely forgets just how nasty Shadowheart can be, because she generally treads very, very carefully around her-- and I'm not sure if Adana has ever even snapped AT any of her party members before, except for maybe ONCE, very mildly, after the first time Raphael approaches them for a deal, in the conversation where Shadowheart stumbles into every trigger Adana has, and they were BOTH extremely apologetic after that
its a brand new day so its time to go replay THE climactic conversation and have cleric gf yell at me a lot to see if i cant wrangle something that annoys me less than the anticlimax passing the dc 30 persuasion check got me
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avenging-fandoms · 4 years ago
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pls oh my god.... drew finding you watching obx when he came home from being away bc of filming nd stuff.... he'd just stand behind you and listen to your reactions of the new season <3
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spoilers for season 2 of outer banks are mentioned a few times
OUTER BANKS MASTERLIST
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drew was off across the country in new york shooting for a new project, and he left you home by yourself for a month and a half. you missed him like crazy, but thankfully, you counted down the days until outer banks season 2 came out and you totally forgot that was the same day drew came home.
you prepared yourself for the new season, watching the last episode of the first season to refresh your memory. you sat on the couch with comfort snacks and drinks, as well as a blanket while you snuggled in drew's sweatshirt.
you took out your phone and smiled, zooming in on the tv as drew appeared on it, posting it to your instagram story and gushing about how proud you are of him. the blinds were shut, volume up, you were in your own watch party.
drew waited at the airport for nearly an hour as he waited for you, trying to text and call you but your phone was on do not disturb in the other room. he called an uber and headed home, still texting you.
meanwhile, you sat on the couch crying at john b crying that sarah was dead. you shook your head and muttered rafe's voice under your breath. "i hate that he's so hot" you bit your nail as you watched rafe and ward sit in an office. you admire drew's acting, jaw dropping at how rafe said he didn't feel bad for shooting sarah.
drew walked into the apartment, about to announce he was home but he heard his voice on the tv. he peered around the wall and saw you on the couch watching outer banks. drew closed the door softly, taking out his phone and recording you watching the show.
"rafe i hate that you're so sexy, because now i kind of feel bad for the fucker" you mutter to yourself- so you thought.
"oh is he?" you jump 3 feet out of your skin and smile widely, pausing the show and running over to your boyfriend and jumping on him. drew set his phone down and held your waist as he kissed you. "you forgot about me" he mumbled and you pulled away, standing up and covering your mouth.
"oh my god, i'm so sorry, baby. drew i'm so sorry" tears formed in your eyes as you felt horrible for forgetting he came home today and that you were going to drive him home. drew laughed and held your face, wiping your eyes.
"oh stop that, i'm not mad at you. technically you did see me today" he nodded towards the tv and you gasp, hitting his chest and placing your hands on your hips. "what did i do!?"
"you are such a phenomenal actor and i can't help but love rafe 'cause i love you. but i feel for rafe, you know?" you ramble and he nods, putting his clothes in the washer and you sat on top of the dryer as you talked about your thoughts and theories. "i don't think rafe is a bad guy, i just think he tries too hard to impress ward and that's what fucks him up"
drew closed the lid of the washing machine and listened to you with a smile. you realized you were rambling and closed your mouth, drew helping you down. "how far are you? i didn't get the chance to watch it yet"
"you want to watch outer banks with me?" you beam and he laughs and nods, kissing your head. "you're the best boyfriend"
"oh i try" you two sit on the couch and you pick up the remote, looking at him and he raises his eyebrows.
"are you sure you want to watch this? we don't have to if you know what happens?" you ask and he nods, hand on your thigh and kissing you softly.
"i know some things that happen, plus i want to see your reactions to the things i do know about" drew winks and you groan, starting episode 1 again.
surprisingly, drew binged all of the new season with you. you look at drew with your jaw open, and drew laughs. "is that blonde lady his mom?! and his dad is alive?!" you exclaim and he nods. "also.. can we talk about how sexy it was that rafe could hold that heavy ass gold cross himself? kudos, baby" you wink and he laughs.
"well? did you like it?" he asked and took a sip of his water, and you adjust yourself and sit in his lap.
"i have a few more observations. the way rafe just stood there with his finger shaking over the trigger, he could've easily shot them all dead. but he didn't! somewhere in his mind, normal rafe is still in there. he needs help! and his piece of shit faking his own death dad refused to help him!" you exclaim and drew nods, intently listening to you.
"can i just say how incredibly cute and sexy it is how you observe things so well? and how you're so focused on rafe" he winked and you rolled your eyes, arm around his neck.
"how can i not be? my sexy ass boyfriend plays rafe cameron, i can't not be focused on rafe. plus, he really does have potential! he just needs help! i'll help him for fuck's sake!" you joke and drew laughed, shaking his head.
"as much as i love this conversation, do you want to move it to the bedroom? somewhere much more comfortable?" drew suggested and you nod, drew snuggling himself under the covers.
"sarah really needs a hug" you mumble into the pillow and drew nods. "okay, no more outer banks talk, i'll let you sleep" you lean over and kiss him softly, then his nose and finally his forehead. "goodnight, baby. i'm so beyond proud of you and proud to call you my boyfriend. i love you"
"i love you more, baby. thank you" drew mumbled with his eyes still closed, and you comb your fingers through his hair as he quickly falls asleep. you text in a group chat about the new season, and they all chime in and ask you how you liked it, since you weren't an actor on the show. you stayed up 2 hours after drew fell asleep, talking with everyone about the new season and how you loved it, congratulating everyone and praising them for their wonderful performances.
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k-s-morgan · 3 years ago
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Hi! I've been in the Hannibal fandom for two years now. Rewatched the show many times and yet Will Graham still confuses me like no one else. Hannibal's design is complex but somewhat understandable after watching the show again again. But Will's design is like a loophole. He can empathise with the killers. That means he can understand them. If he can understand them then why does it feel good for him to kill them? How does it work for him exactly. Does he feel for the killers? If he felt for the killers then what about his violent tendencies towards them?
I've always thought that he is like a God. A God of the killers. The killers offer him their design and he takes sacrifice in return of understanding. But how does his psyche work exactly?
Hello! Oh yes, Will is a very confusing character - it’s his defining trait, and I think that’s because he lies to himself, to others, and to us as an audience. He wants one thing, wants to want another thing, does the third thing, and making sense of it is a complex process.
I think Will’s empathy is a big red herring. I agree with Freddie here: he understands killers because he’s one. He has an almost supernatural gift that helps him recreate the situations almost exactly as they happened. He understands what motivates killers, he might sympathize with them, but I think he might also envy them their freedom to be what they are. They are a reminder of what he is and what he can’t allow himself to have. But most importantly, they are a way for Will to find a compromise with himself and feel better about his true self. Killing bad people is an excuse to justify his darkness, but I don’t think it’s a part of his design per se. 
I agree with you that Will is like a God - he and Hannibal both are. That’s one of the things that separates them from others and elevates them above everyone else. Let’s make an overview of Will’s victims.
1) Hobbs. Hobbs was a monster and Will killed him. But it wasn’t about justice and righteousness, not according to him. Killing a person and feeling pleased that you saved someone versus liking the act of killing itself are drastically different things. Many police officers have to kill in their line of duty. Very few of them get off on the act of murder. Those who do are killers, and they are especially dangerous if they immediately try to follow it up with another murder. Will never once says he liked killing Hobbs because he made this world better. When asked, he says that he felt a sense of power. This is a motivation of many actual serial killers. If Will was just glad that he saved Abigail, he would know it's normal. He wouldn't have been almost on the verge of a break-down and haunted by Hobbs. So it’s not about helping others, it's about murder, even if the victim was a monster.
2) Stammets. Will had no reason to try to kill him (which he admits to doing). Based on his and Hannibal’s talk, he understands that he just wanted to feel what he felt after killing Hobbs, and this makes him panic. So again, no someone. He’s chasing the high of killing someone, and Stammets is the most appropriate victim. 
3) Ingram. On the surface, it looks like Will wanted to avenge Peter and himself by proxy, hence pulling the trigger on Ingram. However, after Hannibal manages to stop him, days later, Will complains about losing a chance to feel how he felt when killing Hobbs. Murder high is his main motivation again - everything else is background or an excuse, depending on your reading.    
4) Randall. Will threw away the gun on purpose to make the murder more intimate. This is not about justice and this is not about protecting himself because by doing this, he reduced his chances. Will also beat Randall up until he wasn't moving. There was no reason to snap his neck. Mutilation, cannibalism that followed, keeping his suit, admitting he enjoyed the murder and calling it his design - this is about murder and WIll’s love for it primarily. The design part is especially important: based on it, we can conclude that Will loves a performance just like Hannibal.  
4) Chiyoh and her prisoner who Will set up. Chiyoh was innocent and didn't deserve to die. Her prisoner might not have been guilty - in fact, Will was the one to suggest that, and yet Will still set him up. It was a game and he was an observer - he lied in waiting for Chiyoh’s scream. He then turned the body of a losing party into art. Very creepy and very like Hannibal.
5) Chilton. Will clearly explained his motivation: he wanted Chilton to pay just because he wanted to be famous and messed with Hannibal by writing his ridiculous book. Will showed no remorse and admitted he did it on purpose.
6) Police officers he set up to be killed by cooperating with Francis. The ones he stepped over without a second look. They were innocent and they were a collateral damage. Will is a cruel God who doesn’t bother with mere mortals as long as it fits his purpose. In this case, his purpose was freeing Hannibal. Everything else was still a blur in his mind. 
7) Francis. Enjoyed the murder, admired the blood, called the situation beautiful.
8) Bedelia. She's innocent in comparison to Will and his body count. If Will faced no repercussions and continued getting more and more people killed, she had every right to go free. But God doesn’t have to be fair, and Will proves it by targeting her. 
What does it all say about Will’s design and philosophy? Apart from Godlike attributes and indifference toward collateral damage, I think Will is led by his bloodlust - he just tends to control it and direct it at specific targets. 
Will might prefer to kill “bad people” in the first two seasons, but it’s the process of murder that excites him. So I see his righteous choices as a preference that helps him justify his dark nature partly, not the core reason for his violence. Hannibal seems to be moved by his interest in human nature and his hunter instinct, but Will, I think, is a truer killer because he actually feels drunk on murder. Unlike Hannibal, he looks downright euphoric when/after he kills Randall and Francis. In TWOTL, Hannibal is more focused on the fact that his dream came true and he and Will killed someone together, but Will seems primarily caught up in the murder after-shocks themselves. Hannibal thinks about Will, Will thinks about how beautiful blood looks under the moonlight.
So, post Fall, I believe that at first, Will will stick to killing bad people like murderers, but once some times passes, his need for justifications will fade. He’ll move on to rude people, only his rude will differ from Hannibal’s. Hannibal doesn’t differentiate between genders and ages, but I think Will will. He’s interested in a feeling of power, like he himself says, in a sense of dominance, so he’ll look forward to a fight. He won’t be interested in attacking a teenager like Cassie, for instance, because the power imbalance is too prominent. But as soon as someone more equal does something Will heavily dislikes, something that wakes his bloodlust (a personal insult, physical or verbal abuse toward other people/animals, etc.), he’ll attack. He’ll be careful - he knows how to avoid being caught, but it will still be unpredictable and passionate. Will is a storm to Hannibal’s calm.
Then there is unpredictability. Hannibal tends to plan everything methodically. The only times we see him being impulsive is in Europe, where he’s descending into self-destructive mode, so it’s not a norm for him. For Will, though? Will consists of unpredictability, and Hannibal is fascinated by it.I think Will is going to kill when an impulse strikes. For example, he might go shopping, without having any dark plans, and end up murdering someone because the circumstances pushed some unfortunate soul onto his path. Will might or might not display the body depending on his mood. Today he can be in an artistic mood, but tomorrow he’ll be in a violent and impatient one, wanting to destroy the body entirely and leaving a total mess behind.
How Will would prefer to kill? In my opinion, in an intimate way. It doesn’t mean he’ll be weaponless, but something like a knife would fit his tastes well. He’d be able to feel it plunge into his victim’s body, tearing through skin and muscles, etc. - personal and intimate. Akin to what he did with Francis - his feral half-snarl, the way he paused after stabbing him before opening him up - it was dark and mesmerizing. Will might get into strangling, too, because it takes a lot of time and it is even more intimate. It might end up being his favorite. So, I can see him using his hands or small weapons to fully sense what he’s doing to a victim. This is something that he has in common with Hannibal because from what we saw, Hannibal also enjoys more intimate and prolonged murders that give him a glimpse into a person’s pain and struggle for life.
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memes-saved-me · 4 years ago
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Billy Hargrove and implied Queerness
First off this is focusing on his scenes without Steve because we've all seen those and....they're pretty homoerotic to say the least so I will be bringing your attention to the other factors which lead people to believe Billy is gay or interested in men and not so much women. This isn't very indepth but more surface level observations I've made and seen others make.
(TW: Homophobia and slurs discussed)
Season 2
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The first scene we get of Billy he is instantly sexualised by those around him. Tina and Vicki taking interest in him based on his looks while Carol watches on rather unamused. This sets a trend for his character and his relationship with his looks and body, but more importantly how he uses it to his own advantage. Of course this was done to play into the 80s bad boy who all the high school girls fall for but what I'll explain later makes it much more interesting.
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The next we see of Billy is with Max on their way home. During this scene he insults the looks of the high school girls, referring to them as cows. We then get a very interesting line "Yeah, we're stuck here and who's fault is that?" Which Max replies to with "Yours."
A response that instantly angers Billy to the point he demands she take responsibility for moving to Hawkins. A topic that has clearly been discussed before because Max's reaction implies this has happened before if not multiple times.
In Runaway Max, which isn't confirmed canon and contradicts a lot of stuff but, we are told that the reason they moved was because Billy was completely off the rails to the point he broke her friends arm. Now. Does that make sense in blaming who's fault the move was? If this is the case it is obviously Billy's fault so why does he keep saying it was her who caused this? She clearly liked being in California so why would she do something to make them move. Unless it was unintentional...
This heavily implies that there is an unspoken incident which involves them both. An incident which triggers such anger and recklessness in Billy to the point he almost runs over Mike, Lucas and Dustin because Max wouldn't say it was her fault. Many have then filled in this gap with Max accidentally telling either Neil or Susan about Billy and another boy, which would make sense with the information or lack of information we are given in canon about the reason they moved.
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While at Tina's Halloween party we do not see Billy interact with a single girl. He is seen with Tommy and another boy who then approach Steve with him. It would make sense for girls to be drooling over him in this moment, trying to dance with him or following him inside but no. He makes a beeline for Steve and we do not see him for the rest of the party.
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Now, I don't know about you but have you ever seen a teenage boy look less interested in his date? Not only is he not interacting with verbally but also physically. He then gets angry when she calls Max his sister and they drive off without a word. It's implied he is taking her home as he they were waiting for Max, meaning he was probably going to hook up with her but if he was wouldn't he act just a little nicer towards her?
I mentioned before that he is the archetype for 80s bad boy and the girls sure are falling, he just isn't catching them. This is the only time we see him interact with a women his age in a romantic way. If you could call this romantic at all.
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When in trouble for letting Max run off while watching her, his response is that he doesn't have the time to go looking for her because he has a date, a date we never see or get the name of, this prompts his father to say the line "So that's why you've been staring at yourself in the mirror like some faggot..."
A line that then prompts Billy to snap and argue back after clearly wanting to get out of this situation as fast and smoothly as possible. Where else have we seen anger brought on by a topic? That's right in the car with Max. There is a trend of Billy reacting with anger to conversations or comments he finds personal or as some sort of attack. This is also when Neil becomes fully angry with Billy as seen in his rather shocked reaction at his response to that line.
This also continues the trend of Billy caring about his looks and using them as a shield of sorts, a shield that doesn't work against his father but everyone else he encounters.
Something to keep in mind, Billy is the only character to be called a homophobic slur by a parental figure other than Will. The character he mirrors in multiple ways including having the same full name William, as well as Will being heavily implied as gay or queer. Both of their father's use homophobic language against them, unlike any of the other characters in the show.
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The next we see of him after the incident with Neil is also when we see him interacting with another women in a romantic sense. Karen. This is where his use of his looks and body fully come into play. He uses these assets to get information and affection out of Karen to make his father happy and avoid further punishment.
Now this is my own interpretation but Billy is used to using his body for positive attention and doesn't get that any other way. At no point in the series is he treated like a person other than in S3 by Max and Max only. Everyone else views him in an objectified manner or as a bad guy to avoid.
There is a clear resemblance between Karen and Billy's mother which I'll further discuss in the season 3 section but this leads me to believe he is subconsciously or even consciously wanting positive attention from a motherly figure, he just doesn't know any other way to achieve that.
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However, it is very clear that flirting with Karen was an act as seen by the quite jarring juxtaposition of these two frames. The mask fully gone once by himself again. Meaning the only time we see him flirt with a women it isn't genuine at all.
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Now, continuing off the last point, there is countless girls practically drooling over Billy at the pool but he only accepts this attention from Karen. This exemplifies my theory that he doesn't know how to gain positive affection other than through flirting and well sex, but he only wants this attention from an older women who resembles his mother. Except, again he doesn't know any other way of gaining it. He hasn't had a strong positive female influence in his life since he was 10 years old and by the looks of it every motherly figure has treated him as eye candy and not a teenager crying for help.
He has Heather who is very much his age and flirts with him. Yet, he acts as if she isn't even there and goes straight over to Karen to flirt. The way he acts with Karen should be the way he would act with girls his age, flirting and making advances but we do not see a single example of this.
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This part I find extremely interesting because it perfectly mirrors his interaction with Karen in season 2, except instead of dropping the mask he puts it on. The way he looks to his right as if she is sitting there as he practices what he is going to say to her is a clear example of his act coming into play as he prepares to meet up with her. His expression very similar to when he leaves the Wheeler home but it shifts to practice the way he is planning on talking to Karen. A complete reversal from their scene in season 2.
A rather reaching piece of symbolism could be that this also mirrors the way Neil cuts off Billy's date in season 2 as the Mindflayer is a literal representation of him being controlled by his father.
I also find it very interesting that he chooses to flirt with Karen very publicly and this might be reading a little too into it but it comes off as trying to uphold some sort of image. Another example of this is Max saying she hears Billy with girls in his room, something that sure is something he would do but when you put this with everything in this post it also comes off as him trying to prove something.
Another thing I find interesting is the way he acts around Karen, all smiles and friendly is very similar to that of the way he acts at dinner with Heather's parents. An act put on by the Mindflayer, just as he does when flirting with Karen. A mask used for underlying means and not what it shows on the surface.
Conclusion
This is all just my observation and he is not canonically gay or queer but the way he acts around women compared to Steve is a very interesting aspect to his character. If they truly intended for him to be this bad boy ladies man then they failed at presenting that.
One final thing, which I have posted about before is the fact Billy does not use homophobic language towards anyone. Even Steve does in season 1 so it would make sense for a teenage boy trying to upstage another teenage boy to use slurs and such to belittle and bully him. Except he doesn't.
I could write a full dissertation on Billy's implied queerness but a unorganised Tumblr post will have to do. Thanks for coming to my TED Talk.
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gia-batmm-crickle22 · 2 months ago
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I can't believe this argument exists
"Who's worse? Abandonment and Neglect due to Social Pressure and Familial Problems or Treachery due to Death by Door Step?"
Idk if I'm fitting this, but as someone who is not a hater of either parties;
This argument is fucking stupid.
I'll start with the first "Creek is worse" by @brozonesimp
"To save himself from not getting eaten, Creek revealed to Chef—a Bergen—where the other pop trolls were. He showed no remorse; in the show, he sort of felt bad, but was mostly arrogant and manipulative."
He was definitely arrogant, but to say he was manipulative is not close to true. I've read too many fanfics enough to see where people are doing this, but Creek never manipulated ANYONE in the actual movie. Him telling people to "be positive" isn't manipulation, that's just his belief.
Ya'll could HC that as manipulative, ik some of you do, but NO WHERE in the movie was Creek hinted as a traitor until he was almost eaten.
"What’s important to note here is that, by giving away where all of the trolls were, he endangered countless trolls from elders to babies, all for his own selfish sake. He simply shrugged after ringing Poppy’s bell—the bell that indicated that she returned home safely—and showed no remorse when the trolls were captured."
Yes, he showed no remorse, of course, he's selfish, that's very much established, but he's a guy who didn't want to die. He gave up his conscience after nearing death's doorstep, and to him, this was the only way to live. It doesn't make him worse than the Brozone, it just makes him a horrible Troll after the trauma inflicted onto him.
Next argument of "Brozone is worse" by @bobbydagen24
"Branch gave them a second chance"
No, the fuck he didn't. Where did he mention that?? They were doing this for Floyd, and Branch made it very clear from the getgo. Count it as a second chance if you will, but there was no implication it is. I just want that out of the way because "banding together to rescue someone you care about" is not equivalent to "you've hurt me, but I'll give you a second chance".
It wasn't even discussed at the ending, only that the brothers apologized, but that's it. It's an open ending, but there was no canon implication that he gave the a second chance before Floyd was rescued.
"yet they still chose to 1. show no remorse for abandoning the family"
I will stop you right there. Disgusting line. I have NO respect for anyone believing someone who ran away from home after a shitty life/family should have remorse for running away.
Of COURSE they should NOT feel remorse for wanting to RUN AWAY from the family that endlessly suffocated them with expectations and responsibilities. It doesn't change the fact they abandoned Branch, I understand, but they shouldn't have to feel bad for needing some space to have a mental restart.
This line triggers me so much, sorry if this is an act of personal than logical.
"2. broke his boundaries time and time again while actively downplaying his feelings."
Ngl, I skipped through this the first time cause I've seen older siblings just do this. I've rewatched it, and I'll just say is that they do this because they last saw Branch as a baby. This right here is a stranger that they refused to believe is their baby brother.
Is that a bad thing? Yes, of course, but you can't blame them entirely. They have not gotten to know each other yet in TWENTY years because of wanting to get away from expectations and responsibilities they feel in their family, and their big brother instincts first call to Branch is that "that's our baby, he's always our baby, adorable baby."
"and 3. behave emotionally abusive towards him during the argument straight up belittling him over something which they knew he was greatly hurt about for no real reason"
I had to rethink for this one, and "no real reason"? Again, with the "belittle" part as if they were mentally and emotionally prepared to see a 20+ version of their baby brother.
Of course they had no remorse on saying they didn't wanna go back to being a family. They broke up in terrible terms, and you're expecting to what? Have them all mushy and agreeing with Branch that "hey, you're right, let's be a family again"?
You're downplaying the trauma and problems of every brother in that argument and making it like "Branch is the victim, his feelings always matter". Yes, his feelings DO matter , but I'd like to remind you that John Dory, Bruce and Clay are not JUST his brothers, they are their own person with valid reasons and their own feelings to leave the damn tree after the band.
And let's not forget how you didn't even mention Floyd giving Branch an empty promise. Idk if that's on purpose, but whenever people say "Brozone" in an negative perspective, they leave out Floyd stupidly enough, and this is one such reasons.
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Conclusion: None. Both parties did shitty things. None is worse, both are shit.
That being said, this argument is the worst thing I've seen on my Tumblr page, and the fact that we're even comparing two different situations is bewildering and fucking stupid.
BroZone vs Creek: Who is Worse?
Technically, Creek, but many say BroZone is worse. I understand most who have hatred toward BroZone abandonment issues, but Creek will always be worse, at least in my book. Why, you may ask? Well, first, let’s focus on what BroZone—as a collective—did.
What BroZone Did
BroZone was a boy band back in the day, who consisted of five members, all of whom were brothers: John Dory, Spruce (who now goes by Bruce), Clay, Floyd, and Branch (stage name Bitty B.) BroZone was a very popular boy band, and John Dory was a perfectionist at most.
John gave his fans false hope of performing the “Perfect Family Harmony,” a mere myth of something that is so powerful, it can shatter diamonds. He also told his family that if they aren’t perfect, they’re nothing. They performed for their fans, and they did as suspected: they failed. Yes, they almost succeeded, but didn’t in the end.
From this incident, the band broke up one by one and left, leaving baby Branch alone to raise his grandma, until she got eaten. This left Branch alone, and he had to raise himself.
Timeskip to when all are older, and the first one to find Branch is John Dory, so that they can save Floyd. However, John didn’t know that Branch was still alive, only having found out from when he (and Poppy) saved the world from the rock apocalypse. John got a card from Bruce, meaning they still stay in touch somewhat.
Clay moved in with Viva, Poppy’s long lost sister, and we have no idea about Floyd, save for being kidnapped. But when they went to recruit the brothers, all did not hesitate (Bruce did somewhat) to go help save Floyd.
They fought after John pressured them to be perfect again, and Branch left them this time, but to go save Floyd alone. Branch also mentioned that their grandma got eaten and he was alone, and they looked instantly guilty and worried about him. In the end, they all reunited and made up.
In short: they fought, but they made up in the end. They care about one another despite what happened.
Now, let’s focus on what Creek did.
What Creek Did
To save himself from not getting eaten, Creek revealed to Chef—a Bergen—where the other pop trolls were. He showed no remorse; in the show, he sort of felt bad, but was mostly arrogant and manipulative.
What’s important to note here is that, by giving away where all of the trolls were, he endangered countless trolls from elders to babies, all for his own selfish sake. He simply shrugged after ringing Poppy’s bell—the bell that indicated that she returned home safely—and showed no remorse when the trolls were captured.
So, Who is Worse?
From this logic, Creek is the worst of the two parties mentioned. He endangered several trolls for his own sake, and all BroZone did was have a sibling fight.
Creek will always remain the worst in this argument, and if you have anything to add, please do so.
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