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Can you, like, get real problems? I’m sure there’s a soup kitchen or a that needs an extra volunteer or a city council meeting you could go to.
Yeah. I do those things already and isn't it weird I still find extra time to tell assholes to get out of my fandom space.
So what public service have you done this week @rudyknight? In the last month? year? Hey, tell me real quick @rudyknight whens the last time you joined a counter protest?
Because my town has our own version of westburo baptist church and they LOVE protesting our pride events.
I had a bunch of fun.
I used my hyperfixation of plants to block out their signs and ensure they didn't have room to protest on the sidewalk.
I got to practice my metal growling.
The preacher who had spent the entire night telling everyone we was all gonna burn for eternity in a lake of fire for just bein' ourselves Did Not appreciated me telling him I enjoyed fucking his mother.
But hey maybe your too shy to tell assholes to fuck off to their face.
I mean you didn't seem to have that issue here so I don't know what the fuck is holding you up in the real world, but hey, maybe this'll be a push to get you to stop white knighting assholes on the internet.
But hey there's a lot of other things you can do to help your community that ain't active protesting!
Whens the last time you went through your neighborhood and helped remove invasive species? I'm sure you've done that over the past few weeks, Right @rudyknight?
I've been slowly removing invasive honeysuckle and using it's bones to make yard structures.
I've personally saved at least 5 adult trees in the neighborhood from an invasive plant called winter creeper that will slowly choke a mature tree to death if left unattended. It's already claimed a 100 year old maple a block away from me.
Or you know as a little treat, for me, I've been completely redoing the closet that my hot water heater use to live in before it fucking exploded.
The water damage was... extensive.
I fell through the fucking floor when I first started
It's coming together baby.
Oh but man don't worry I still have So Much Time Left in a day to tell useless assfucks posting hate to my fandom to
Fuck Right The Fuck Off.
But you go on @rudyknight. You keep right on defending a useless prick who got caught being a useless prick from getting told they're being a useless prick.
I'm sure that useless prick appreciates it.
God fucking knows you ain't doing shit to be actually helpful.
#anti talk#anti harassment#anti bullshit#fandom wank#fandom nonsense#fandom hate#seriously like I know I'm not being friendly about it by any means#but how the fuck do you look at this entire conversation and think the person asking the other one to leave is in the wrong?#I didn't post hate to their fucking fandom.#and I have proof OP posted it directly to my fandoms tag#but I'm in the wrong for asking them to leave?#Really?#you're defending that?#God fucking bless.
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jeff sadecki loves to be like Ugh my bitch wife has been so paranoid and high strung ever since she killed the guy she thought was blackmailing her friends over the stuff they did during the 19 months they spent stranded in the canadian wilderness. Something that has nothing to do with me at all
#rewatching 3.08 i have never hated him like this i feel crazy#like she hasn't been in wilderness survival mode since the night she met up w tai & nat @ the motel#buddy YOU DID THIS.#don't get me started on the fucking dinner dude#cause it was going so well b4 shauna snapped at them apparently. After jeff ordered tapas off the tapas menu at the tapas resturant#mind u shauna wouldve responded to being micromanaged and talked down to by two pompous assholes like that b4 the plane crash!#and u expected the blackmail + murder + death of 3 friends + brush with life in prison to what? Calm her down?#YOU brought the self domesticated feral wolf to the restaurant. be grateful she didn't kill them#THE TANTRUM ON THE BED THAT CALLIE HAS TO SNAP HIM OUT OF#JESUS CHRIST.....#jeff sadecki are you ready to die#yellowjackets#jeff sadecki#pulling a yj fandom and tagging the character im talking shit about#shauna shipman#shauna sadecki#yellowjackets spoilers#callie sadecki#natalie scatorccio#taissa turner#travis martinez#lottie matthews#posts#yellowjackets txt
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Azula in Fandom
I really did love Azula. She's one of the most fascinating characters in ATLA: brilliant, terrifying, powerful, tragic, and deeply flawed. I loved that the show let her be complicated without ever pretending she wasn’t dangerous.
And I still love her, but honestly, some parts of the fandom have made it harder. Watching people erase her harm, excuse everything she did, or attack others for acknowledging her complexity doesn’t make her look better, it just makes real conversations about her impossible. Azula was compelling because she was broken, cruel, vulnerable, and human all at once.
Flattening her into a untouchable girlboss or a misunderstood victim that just wanted the best doesn't honor that story, it kinda cheapens it.
I’m still rooting for her character, and I always will be. But if I'm honest, it feels like my love for her has faded a little, not because of who she is, but because of how some of her fans behave (NOT ALL FANS, by no means all fans, but a loud enough *few* who excuse abuse, downplay harm, and treat disagreements about her online like I just killed their puppy in front of their eyes).
It's just kinda sad seeing something I cared about get twisted into something uglier ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
#azula critical#atla#atla fandom critical#avatar the last airbender#low-key didn't wanna tag this#considering the loud few I mentioned earlier#and the fact that I have shit to do besides writing for funsies on Tumblr now that I've procrastinated on my AP studying this long#but fuck it we ball#speaking of AP tho if anyone knows any study resources for AP Chem lmk pls#AND if anyone knows anything for multivariable calculus PLEASE suggest stuff#I hate both of those classes with a burning passion#but anyway I digress#nobody show up and and be mean to me because of this post#or I'll post another anti-bullying draft I have saved#this is a threat#to that rando who said that I didn't get bullied enough as a child I hope you stub your pinkie toe on every corner you turn for a decade#which is what I would say if I was a bully#but I am not so I wish you great prosperity in your work and for you one day find peace that isn't reliant upon online harrassment#<3#remember when we had anti-bullying assemblies in school? some of you took “don't be a monster” personally and decided it was a challenge#wow I think the tags are longer than the post but oh well its cheaper than going to therapy again
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this isn't at all meant to be condescending or finger-waggy because 100% we all have blind spots like this, but I'm really, really hoping that the people who never found Gaiman's approach to his own fandom concerning in any way will take this all as a learning moment.
he was an older, hyper-famous author engaging directly and frequently with an online audience of largely vulnerable young marginalized people. he presented himself as cultured and worldly, and made himself approachable as someone to go to for advice, encouragement and "wisdom." his manner of speech was extremely pathos-heavy and clearly intended to be comforting and encouraging in exactly the way his target demographic needed it to be to swallow every word. the way he spoke about stories and creativity was designed to make young creative hopefuls feel special and important, while sweeping real analytical techniques under the rug - in hindsight, likely so no one would think too critically about the disturbing amount of patriarchal abuse played for cheap shock value and voyerism in his own body of works.
Gaiman saw a target demographic that was desperate for an older creative role model to tell them they were worth something, and he exploited that pain to twist a narrative around himself where he was king and any critique leveled at him or his works were the enemy.
to be clear, he could have been innocent. he could totally have been just an out-of-touch old man saying nice things to people because he wanted to be kind and he thought he was a lot smarter than he really was. red flags are warning signs, not a surefire way to tell if someone is actually "secretly shitty."
but if you used to look up to him, PLEASE take this moment to revisit the ideas you absorbed from him. did you take his words to heart because they seemed to have objective merit? or did you take them to heart because it felt good to believe what he said? do you still hold these values? does knowing he was intentionally manipulating his online audience make you less certain? do you need more information from a different source before deciding one way or another?
again, I'm just really, really hoping people on here will take a moment to reevaluate the ideas and opinions he's injected into tumblr fandom culture, because his reach is immense and he has absolutely been manipulating popular perception of relevant topics to gain further influence and control the narrative around both his own and Pratchett's legacy. please, please take this moment to notice what he's been doing - and next time someone tries to pull the same shit, hopefully we'll be able to apply what we've learned from experience.
#deerchatter#abuse cw#im going to be honest i came to hate him over his years on tumblr.#even if he'd done nothing wrong he was normalizing an extremely unhealthy relationship between a fandom and creator#and he always spoke with so much pathos and so little actual substance. he's an idiot desperate to seem smarter than he is#obvs didn't assume anything about his actual moral character but he sure was spreading some toxic ideas intentionally or not#absolutely heartbreaking and horrible that things turned out to be as bad as they were.#genuinely wrote this out because im hoping this can all AT LEAST make some people aware of the tactics he was using#so the next shithead celebrity who rocks up to social media with an agenda won't have as much reach#counting on people to read the best intentions into this post. i don't give a shit about celebrity drama i want people safe#edit: actually fuck it putting this in the tag#neil gaiman
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I was thinking about Fandom's Darlings recently because I encountered another case of "Yes, Your Ship Has Become Canon But At What Cost???" in the wild. Which is a mouthful, but I don't have a snappier name for these events in fandom yet.
It's when two characters get together in a story, but... their characterizations get destroyed in the process because the writers apparently 1) can't write solid romance (it's a specific skill!) and 2) also can't fit that romance into the broader story. Often, all of the supporting characters surrounding this shiny couple will ALSO suffer severe characterization damage to make this romance happen. And sometimes the larger plot and even the worldbuilding will also take hard structural hits so the story can focus on this GREAT PASSION that frankly just isn't... executed well.
Like, if a ship I dislike becomes canon, that's one thing, but if the writing for it isn't even semi-competent, that's worse!!! And the really insufferable part is actually the shippers who are not only popping bottles because their ship went canon, but will mock everyone who complains about the bad writing (or tries to earnestly analyze why exactly this conclusion sucks) as "bitter sore losers". I mean, the characters you profess to love have been turned into empty shells of themselves, the canonical partnership here is about as shallow as a puddle, and the integrity of this entire fictional world is on fire, but sure, you "won" this ship war. Congrats.
There is nothing else to do but move on, it's definitely not worth getting into it with anyone. But it REALLY sucks if you actually liked either of the characters involved or maybe even liked the ship itself, because then it's like... "I have been given an enormous cake, but it has been Poisoned. I cannot eat this, for I would choke on it. I have been Betrayed In A Fashion Most Vile." But everyone still sitting at the table tells you that you ought to be happy! At least you got some cake!
#I went to college with someone who really liked Reylo; they drew a lot of P&P AUs and stuff for Reylo#(an insult to both Mr. Darcy and somehow also to Kylo Ren in my opinion but whatever)#I did not like Reylo; I hated the ship; I thought both Rey and Kylo could have cool but their writing sucked#after “The Rise of Skywalker” both her (Reylo fan) and me (Finn fan) were both sitting there in hallowed silence like “Well... Fuck"#shoutout to her; I didn't like her taste but I respect that she could actually see that the writing for her ship SUCKED; sorry girl#other examples include shounen like Naruto and Bleach; female shounen characters GET BEHIND ME!!!#tossawary fandom#long post#fandom's darling
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I walked into work this morning after crying at a convivence store because the woman behind the counter said she liked my RBG sweatshirt and she hoped I was okay. I wasn't expecting it. I live in a very red part of Michigan and her kindness and gentleness made me cry.
I told myself when I woke up that I wasn't going to cry. I stared at my phone for twenty minutes, dread pooling in my chest because even though I let myself get hopeful yesterday, I knew what I was going to see.
I said I wasn't going to cry.
And when I got to work, one of the other preschool teachers walked into my classroom, and she didn't say anything, we just looked at each other and I started to cry. I had parents who I knew were happy with the results about to drop off their kids and I couldn't start crying, but I did.
I only have nine kids in my class, I only had to get through seven drop offs today. I only had three parents that were devastated. I cried about that too.
I had two little girls in my class today, and they got into an argument, as two years old's will do, and they both got upset and started crying. One of them laid on the floor next to me, and one of them collapsed onto my chest, and I cried with them too.
During group time today, I cried while reading a book about kindness. "What does it mean to be kind? Being kind means standing up for those who are less fortunate than you." I had to stop reading for a minute. My assistant teacher looked at me from across the room and I couldn't meet her eyes.
I stayed off social media all day, but when I caved and opened tik tok, the first video I saw was of women in other countries governments saying that they were standing with us through this hard thing and I cried again.
I think I'm gonna keep crying. At least for today and the next couple of days.
And tomorrow (which may not actually be tomorrow) I'll figure out what comes next.
#mine#not hp#i cried while writing this#if you voted for trump fuck off#if you didn't vote at all fuck off#i may be crying a lot but I'm also angry#how often do I bitch about people hating women in fandom?#if you scroll there's a post about it like three down from here#i feel stupid for being hopeful#i really thought people were done with his bs#that they would vote for her#also idk what this is some personal essay or something#i hid a lot of tears from my babies today
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Why does the ATLA subreddit act like they don't tear Katara apart on a daily just for breathing? If Sokka or Aang had said this no one would have bat an eye I hate it here
#katara defense squad#katara deserved better#anti atla fandom#i hate it here#aang literally accused toph of intentionally losing appa because she struggles being around him due to her disability#but that's okay right#fuck out my face#and it's not like katara didn't go unchecked in this scene so what are you mad about#unlike aang who goes unchecked multiple times#anti kataang#tagging for visibility#because i don't need them on my post defending him#also because i'm pretty sure this op is a kataang shipper#most katara haters on the atla sub are#isn't that ironic#i am going to bite something#anti atla subreddit#i will fight everyone in every subreddit idc
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nothing pisses me off like people thinking i don't know or understand something i do. but 99% of the time it's entirely non-malicious and i have to sit there like no haha i actually did remember that and already know what you're explaining, but thanks <3!! meanwhile i'm fighting for my life not to turn into a werewolf and maul everyone within three miles
#shitpost#my reaction is SO irrationally extreme and I know it but that doesn't stop it from happening#happens ALL the time here on tumblr ngl#in the keeper fandom. when people are like actually your silly post can't work because of this detail from book 7!#and i'm like. (deep breath reminding myself this is some random person and this doesn't matter) actually! you're misremembering that#detail it was actually this AND i already accounted for that in this post. but thanks!#meanwhile i want to tear their head off for assuming i didn't know that#today it was my teacher looking over my work and i was like 90% confident on this one thing#and she was like ah. let me review everything you've already gone over in your head to get to this answer#to see if that helps explain it#and i was just like. i already GOT IT RIGHT#i don't need this review i was ALREADY RIGHT#i successfully went through all these steps already!#i just wanted a yes ur right or a no ur wrong#and she was like hmm what if you. write example sentences#I DON'T NEED TO I WAS ALREADY FUCKIKNG RIGHT I GOT IT RIGHT I ALREADY UNDERSTOOD#YEAH I HAD A BLIP BUT I WAS R I G H T#also don't take this the wrong way i love this instructor she's like. top 2 of all time tied w/ this one other#she's SO good i love her classes and her work#just people thinking i'm stupid or don't understand when i do is MY PERSONAL KRYPTONITE#i fucking HATE IT#SO bad#i'm not DUMB i got it RIGHT#(again. i'm aware i react irrationally. i make a concerted effort not to express this to the other party. i understand it's irrational)#(i simply need to put the anger somewhere so i can concentrate in my next class and this was the fastest way i could)
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The only thing I want to add to pro ship / anti ship / whatever ship discourse is that if you're gonna be pro ship at least own that shit. Like I remember when I was in genshin people who shipped Diluc and Kaeya would always talk about how it was ok to ship them because they weren't brothers, even though they were explicitly called brothers in canon, like, several times. (at least in the eng localization) Idc if you ship them but at least pretend like you don't care if they're brothers instead of telling such obvious lies
#the pyre#2025 fandom would never survive in 2015#in 2015 fangirls would make memes about how hot it was that Kaeya and Diluc are brothers#and then talk about how much they love tacos or smth#like sebaciel ereri and billdip were rly popular ships back in the day#and shippers didn't act like they were these tortured artists hated for their work#for wanting to see Sebastian fuck Ciel#they just did that shit#how has fandom gotten worse... <///3#like I keep seeing tweets where ppl are like#“omg why is this person saying that I'm weird for liking wincest”#like bro....I watched the first season of spn#and I did ship Sam and Dean#but that is not the norm or what most ppl will think#like we're weird for liking weird things#whats the point of making 39103029 posts about how we all need to be more cool with incest#can't even lurk on wincest accounts bc every other post is just them taking shots at “antis”
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"Oh, you simp for Rick? EWWW You're disgusting!"
YOU'RE DISGUSTING FOR NOT LETTING ME HAVE FUCKING FUN.
#I made this post over some comments I found while scrolling through YouTube shorts#Yeah let's just say that a little bit of Spooky Month fandom is kinda...sour when it comes to simps#Especially to Bob Velseb simps#I'm deeply very sorry to all the Bob simps that had to go through with this.#Y'all didn't deserve that hate#Spooky Month#bob velseb#rick hedony#Tagging him cuz he's mentioned#fuck cringe culture#anti cringe culture#cringe culture is dead#Don't ever confuse us with THOSE types of fangirls#cringe and proud
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not for anything but friendly reminder that ~fandom discourse~ about where women belong (or people you perceive as women) is misogynistic as fuck. or what they're allowed to say, or what they're allowed to write about, or what they're allowed to enjoy.
next time you see someone having a tantrum and vaguing, especially if their posts from week to week completely contradict each other, perhaps analyze if the common denominator is "a gross woman said something and now i'm mad" without otherwise adhering to any actual principles.
#like i wonder if someone consistently preaches that we need to respect each other's headcanons#but they are specifically bothered by women & people they assume are women#and they keep specifically complaining about how ANNOYING GIRLS are the ones with such STUPID ideas#if maybe that person is just a fucking misogynist LMAO#and maybe we shouldn't give them the time of day :)#but what do i know lol im just a dumb girl with my dumb girl brain#anyway sorry guys i hate posting vagues i think it's really immature but like how much of this do we fucking tolerate#and can you please stop reblogging him bc tumblr's block & mute functions are terrible#if i'm not vague about it does it still count as a vague?#i hate public drama but like he didn't want to resolve it in private either and won't shut the fuck up haha sorry#but i also fucking hate bullies so#:)#also in b4 fandom clique conspiracies start floating around#if you act like a misogynist dickhead and get blocked by a bunch of people#it's not a cabal of mean girls ganging up on you#maybe you're the problem lol#knock it the fuck off aren't you tired of this it's been a year man#get a life.
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V sorry if this is invasive or weird or anything but why have all your petre cccc posts got that ooc tag? And reblogs off? Do you not like it or have u changed ur mind or sm lol
its not just the petre ones gahaha. its almost all of my cccc posts. its the vast magoirty of all my cccc posts. I just hate them all. they were by a different guy. I hate him. I hate all the work I made
also I hate getting notifs that remind me I was in the cccc fandom.
I contemplated deleting them all, but I didn't because one of my best friends liked some. so . yeahn
#anon#I love cccc still. I listened to it the other day and got very emotional. it makes me happy#but lord I do not. want to . go back to that fandom. ever. and I hate all the work I made for it with a burning passion#it honeslty pisses me off a bit how fixated on my petre posts people like this are. its like...#every time I denounce my cccc. there are so many people who go [do you hate petre?? your calling me a freak. I'm not a freak!!]#and Im' like. I didn't. even f ucking mention petre. fuck offf#not you specifcally anon. but other anons. got a lot of nasty ones when I said I disliked the direction my art was going and I'd be#going in a new direction#like hell. the fact that it was petre wasn't even the part I hated. I just hated how ooc it was. how little people cared about it being occ#someone litterly told me it didn't matter if it was ooc. it made me so angry I got nuesious. I don't want to write ooc characters.#thats' ass. that sucks.#there is osme petre work I did that I do think was in character!!! but peopel don't seem to care. I don't know. its annoying.
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I am unfortunately a bit frustrated, Like I know we are all super hyped for Bi Buck and I don't dislike Tommy.
But People acting like this positive Tommy energy comes from his character, when if his character was a female love interest, even factoring for the Bi canon excitement, wouldn't be getting this level.
People saying He's Buck's most developed love interest like ????, obviously several Buddie love interests( Ali, Ana, Natalia) had very little characterisation, Abby was a main character and Taylor was established with motivations and plotlines. Just because so much of their characters have been boiled down by fanon to their worst traits and actions. Sitting here knowing if Tommy was a female character, she would not be getting the same grace, unable to escape the behaviour in Chimney Begins. Like by all means like him and like BuckTommy, you do you, but also think would I be giving Grace to a female love interest like this
#The treatment of female love interest in this fandom really fucking gets to me#Abby and Taylor specifically#but also Ana#a weird amount of fanfics have Chris hating her#when her main characterisation was Chris liked her alot#which is why Eddie even had that relationship so removing that is ???#but we didn't see enough of her to really beef about it#911#911 abc#I love Buddie more than anything#but you can criticise forcing female love interest without acting like those characters are in fact the devil#in fact Even post break up BuckTaylor don't even seem to be on bad terms
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I think if all ppl can say about allura is that she's an obstacle to kl or that she's dead to be kl angst or that ppl shipping her w Lance suck then maybe just don't talk about her ever LMAO
#ppl will truly be like 'Lance is bi 😊 but yuck allurance is het trash' bi means liking more than just ur same gender fuck u lol#i love kl but i can't fuck w the fans too much at large bc they love to talk about k and l screwing on alluras grave if they remember her#just say ur hateful and go dont bring allura into this didn't the show treat her bad enough FUCK#at least l fans there's a 50/50 chance they recall dead dead out of the way of Keith allura with some kindness#but k fans it's a 75% chance they hate her and go out of their way to talk about how awful she is and gotta say i don't trust like that#u can dislike any character for whatever reasons but the optics on this are bad and the specific things they say are red flags fr#so many ppl say Lance is bi bc it's a popular fanon to explain he's a flirt w girls but we actually want him to be gay#instead of actually saying it bc they think he's bi... the whole fandom was/is specifically v biphobic#i hc everyone as bi and that means sometimes it's a mf ship but it's still queer like come on#anyway this is for no one I'm just idek bye#text posts#might just delete this I'm so tired 😫#not even to touch on specifically the misogynior of it all#it's 2024 and I'm still seeing fresh takes that are the exact same shitty takes from years ago
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on my hands and knees, BEGGING the fandom to stop saying Qui-Gon abandoned Obi-Wan on Melida/Daan.
Look, if you haven't read the book, THIS is how the confrontation actually plays out:


I feel like even without the added context of the entire book, it's pretty clear that Qui-Gon is giving him a CHOICE, one that Obi-Wan seems pretty well-informed about what it means and the consequences for him.
But like, fine. Without context, it might seem that Qui-Gon isn't being fair because all Obi-Wan wants to do is help these people. I have two arguments against though, 1) other options as to how to help these people are brought up during the narrative, ones more in-line with how the Jedi operate, and 2) Obi-Wan's predominant reason for wanting to stay is not because he wants to help.
This is one of the very first options we encounter as to how this issue could be resolved, or at least helped:

This is shortly after they first meet the Young and comes from Cerasi herself, one of the leaders of the group. Asking for more Jedi support or at least broadcasting the situation so that maybe other organizations within the galaxy can help. Which is well-within their means as Jedi to at least try and get more support, and doesn't go against their roles as diplomats and peace keepers. (Obi-Wan, of course, doesn't even bother trying this route, nor does he bring up this possibility with Qui-Gon so we could at least see it being debated and how viable it would be.)
And of course there IS a more hands-on approach that they could take:

Qui-Gon himself tries to come up with a more diplomatic and objective way to broker peace. And the mission was already completed by the way. They were only supposed to rescue Tahl and MAYBE broker peace, but rescuing the other Jedi was the priority. Yoda even tells him before this moment to leave the planet with Obi-Wan as soon as possible because the situation is just too volatile, and he almost lost one Jedi in an effort to help. Qui-Gon is only doing this because he knows how important this has become for Obi-Wan. (And if anyone tries to tell me Qui-Gon doesn't love Obi-Wan, imma start swinging)
It doesn't work, of course. Everyone living on this planet has been steeped in so much anger, hatred, and revenge, that no side, not even the Young are actually willing to talk and really reach for peace. For all that Cerasi and Nield say they want Jedi support, they don't. Not really. Qui-Gon gets stonewalled by them. Both of them mock Obi-Wan whenever he listens to Qui-Gon. What they actually want is for the Jedi to join their army and help them make the Elders listen to them. This is why Yoda wants them to get the hell outta dodge and Qui-Gon feels uneasy and like they can't actually help here. No one actually wants to listen to reason, and the Jedi are not supposed to be soldiers fighting in wars. It gets incredibly obvious in the next book, especially on Nield's end that he wants revenge (a young little warmonger, his parents would be so proud), but honestly? I think we can see it even in this book.

Hey, did you guys know there's a bunch of kids living away from this war. Like, thousands of them, actually. They literally do not have to fight. Nield could take his group of kids (taking the factory working and conscripted kids with him) and fuck off and let the Elders kill each other, and only this generation would be left. They could ask for resources and protection for their new settlement from the Jedi or galaxy instead of manpower to back up their cause and help fight in a war. If Nield ACTUALLY cared about stopping the war and wasn't out for revenge, this would probably be the best choice.
But this possibility never gets brought up, ever, because Nield hates the Elders and wants "justice", Obi-Wan is too inexperienced to realize this is an option, and no one tells Qui-Gon until it's already too late and the Young have declared war on the Elders if they don’t agree to a cease-fire.
All of these options are a more Jedi way of handling the situation in my opinion. Unbiased and working towards actual peace and the end of violence instead of perpetuating it.
And as much as I love Obi-Wan and I know his heart is in the right place, Obi-Wan doesn't care about that, about doing things the Jedi way. Obi-Wan is very clearly taking a specific side in this conflict. I'm not going to put up all the screenshots I took because there are already a lot in this post (and there are. so many more i could put up), but I have quite a few where it's explicit that Obi-Wan is not taking the side of the Young because it's the objectively correct thing to do, but because he likes them. He feels a sense of community with them. He wants to help them, not as a Jedi but as a friend. He is getting involved. Attached.
And, look, I'm not here to argue the morality of that choice. Choosing a different way of life isn't a failure or flaw. Helping your friends in whatever way you can is good. Wanting to stop war and reach for peace is right. There's probably a bunch of people who think Obi-Wan is making the right choice here, and while I might disagree, I can certainly see where they're coming from. I just feel like there's a huge misconception of what actually happened on this planet and what Qui-Gon’s ultimatum is actually about.
Obi-Wan has snuck out time and again to help the Young.
Obi-Wan has used their starfighter, their ONLY transport off the planet, to help the Young on a mission that could very well have shot down the ship. They could have ended up stranded on this planet and might have lead to Tahl's, the rescued Jedi's, death.
Obi-Wan has not been acting like a Jedi. Qui-Gon knows this. Obi-Wan knows this. And in that moment, Qui-Gon is telling him "helping and supporting the Young in such a personal and attached manner is not the way of the Jedi. Do you want to continue on this path?"
And Obi-Wan makes his choice.
(And if anyone tries to argue that Qui-Gon should have brought Obi-Wan with him anyway instead of letting him stay on a war-torn planet, I'm going to start screaming. Yeah, no shit. In the real world, that's probably how he should have reacted.
But this isn't the real world. It's a kid's book. Where kids are the main characters and they go into dangerous situations. So the children reading can see themselves in them and learn how to be brave. How to navigate difficult situations. To learn it's okay to choose a path and maybe realize at some point it isn't what you wanted at all.)
#meta#jedi apprentice#if i see one more rancid take on Qui-Gon apparently abandoning Obi-Wan im going to start biting#and don't even get me STARTED on the Young#goddamn cult. the emotional manipulation they pull on obi-wan is insane#FUCK nield all my homies hate nield#''almost threw hands with a 13 year old''#the WORST part is that if fandom didn't have such awful takes on this arc#it would be my favorite i think#i LOVE the moral complexities going on here#i LOVE the destruction of propaganda and how insidious it is#it so beautifully illustrates the whole ''you are not immune to propaganda'' meme#but instead of reading fun and insightful meta of this arc#and what it meant for the relationship between Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan#im dealing with this shit#smh#i was going to add id to these screenshots just in case but it's like. 5 am#this is the second night in the row i've stayed up this late to write this post#i'll do it tomorrow
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would you ever fully be able to abandon jeg
this sounds like a challenge
#but like.... man i dont know#no? maybe idk#like they're my guys#and i love them more than anything#i haven't loved a ship more than them#they've been my guys for four years yeah#but this fandom is fucking killing me#like there are some bright moments but they're followed by very bad moments#no one is coming after me im not getting hate anons#im just so isolated it feels like im not even here even when im posting all the time yknow#so i think yeah if i get pushed out enough i could “abandon” jeg#not that i want to#and not that im trying to#earlier today i got really excited to write jeg again like it comes back it's always been there#the answer is complicated#sorry if i sound rude or whatver#i just get anons that care more about getting more “content” from me than how i am as a person#it bugs me#maybe you didn't mean it like that idk!#ive been having very bad fandom nights recently#so this is just where i am#my answer used to be a complete no i never could've seen it#but recently i dont know it's more up in the air#which fucking fucks i hate that#i dont want to feel like this!#i dont know
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