#Homer's iliad

[anty-gone]

modern media: Patroclus was such a softie! so tiny and cute! he could do no wrong

the mf after killing a Trojan soldier and watching him fall off his chariot: AH! and they said Trojans can't dance. twirl, you ballerina bitch.

[floralcavern]

Do we fw Greek Mythology memes?

[k1llerfr0sst]

I LOVE PATROCLUS AND ACHILLES.

in the Iliad, my guy Achilles literally refused any kind of compensation for Patroclus’ death (some times in Ancient Greece people can get partial inadequate compensation for the loss of a loved one, but compensation was more for murder without wartime) and instead dammed up the River Xanthus with the corpses of Trojans, literally kills Hector and pierces his ankles (to remind ppl that the Trojans legs were not fast enough to outrun Greek feet) with strips of oxhide, AND DRAGGED HIS NAKED BODY AROUND THE WALLS OF TROY. Day after day, again and again, making Hectors parents watch. This is especially brutal considering the Greek burial rites and culture surrounding the dead, Achilles was doing the MOST. And that was still not enough for him, because Patroclus would still be dead

And this is only after Patroclus’ death, this is not concerning their life brought up together—after Patroclus killed another boy accidentally and was adopted by his brother Peleus and raised alongside Achilles, or through their many years of partnership, battles, and more.

DUDE AND THE PETNAMES. “Beloved Patroclus” “Dearest friend” and my favorite one: “my hearts desire” THEIR RELATIONSHIP WAS PEAK

Some ppl say it’s romantic and some don’t, in Ancient Greece relationships between men, DEEP friendships were not uncommon. Maybe because a mix of different social norms, or because of how the idea of gayness we have now is not the same as it was before, so maybe in their terms they were just good friends, could be reflecting the cultural norms of deep male friendship in Ancient Greece

But when they were shown, relationships like that were often characterized by mentorship/camaraderie, and sometimes romantic elements, tho they did not always conform to modern definitions of romantic/sexual relationships. The terms and concepts of sexual orientation as understood today did not exist in the same way in ancient Greece,

BUT THEY CAN ALSO BE SEEN AS ROMANTIC through several key points whoch show their emotional intensity n depth. Like first of all, Homer's affectionate language which suggests an intimacy beyond friendship. Secondly, their emotional dependency is EVIDENT when Achilles withdraws from battle due to his bond with Patroclus, and then when Patroclus wears Achilles’ armor, which is almost like symbolizing a merging of their identities.

Another one is what I mentioned before and it’s the intensity of Achilles’ grief after Patroclus’ death, indicating a love that transcends normal friendship, as seen in his mourning rituals. Finally, Achilles’ enduring honor for Patroclus after his death.

I won’t 100% say they were together, BUT I WILL REPOST AND DRAW GAY FANART OF THEM but it doesn’t matter. the bond between Achilles and Patroclus is one of the deepest kinds of partnership and loyalty.

Achilles’ grief over Patroclus’ death is profound, the language used by Homer makes me fucking scream as a classics lover, the emotional depth and loyalty displayed can FUCKING KILL YOU!!!

thank you for reading my rant

READ THE ILLIAD pls

Also the colors mean nothing they just pretty

[starstrvckfool]

So I started reading the iliad

I thought this part was pretty funny, Odysseus crashes out

POV: Achilles & Odysseus hate the same guy (they would be a pretty interesting duo ngl)

[qinnyanimation]

Guess who’s my favorite greek hero.

My Iliad book 5 fanart. He goes stabby stab on immortal gods, gotta love the guy for that.

[maggie44paint]

Uhhh so I made Menelaus/Helen Iliad Swap AU-

Or as I like to call it Malewife Menelaus AU

Basically everything is the same but Paris kidnaps Menelaus instead of Helen and Helen goes to war to get her husband back!

Nobody dies in the end and they all end up in poly relationship

[xixovart]

odysseus and telemachus.

father and son.

they’re going to kill me some day

(thx to @ikea09 for the idea :])

[katerinaaqu]

Odysseus's fixation upon his son could possibly be explained by the timeline.

A small thing that needs to be said is that according to Homer Odysseus left Telemachus a "newborn" (or at least so Menelaus says in the Odyssey). Interestingly is hard to tell how long Odysseus and Penelope have been married before they had Telemachus because the time line is not cut and clear.

It seems like their marriage took place during the oath of Tyndareus period when Odysseus was at Sparta as a suitor to Helen. From the Oath till Helen's infidelity or abduction or forced seduction by Aphrodite we see there were around 10 years of difference (quite frankly according to some accounts Helen mentions she was 20 years in Troy). That means that he and Penelope were potentially married at least a decade (which makes sense given that he made a wedding bed for her from scratch making it seem that their palace was also being rebuilt at that time)

But if Telemachus was newborn or almost newborn (like let's say about 1 year old tops) that means that Odysseus and Penelope were childless for almost a decade. Either that means they were having some issues aka Odysseus running errands in the kingdom or that they were trying very hard to have children and somehow they couldn't

Do you imagine what this means?

Odysseus potentially had to leave behind a son he wished for for almost a decade full and not to mention that Palamedes nearly killed him, that very son that he potentially tried so hard for and wished for so much!

Hell no wonder he names himself "Father of Telemachus" and quite frankly one can understand why he would hold a grudge against Palamedes (be it Higenius you follow where he frames him or be it Pausanias who says he drowned him) one can imagine why his brain would snap like that! If this hypothesis is correct that is.

[simoondraws]

That scene still makes me laugh so hard

…The son of Peleus was furious, and his heart within his shaggy breast was divided whether to draw his sword, push the others aside, and kill the son of Atreus, or to restrain himself and check his anger. While he was thus in two minds, and was drawing his mighty sword from its scabbard, Minerva came down from heaven (for Juno had sent her in the love she bore to them both), and seized the son of Peleus by his yellow hair, visible to him alone, for of the others no man could see her. Achilles turned in amaze, and by the fire that flashed from her eyes at once knew that she was Minerva. "Why are you here," said he, "daughter of aegis-bearing Jove? To see the pride of Agamemnon, son of Atreus? Let me tell you- and it shall surely be- he shall pay for this insolence with his life."

And Minerva said, "I come from heaven, if you will hear me, to bid you stay your anger. Juno has sent me, who cares for both of you alike. Cease, then, this brawling, and do not draw your sword; rail at him if you will, and your railing will not be vain, for I tell you- and it shall surely be- that you shall hereafter receive gifts three times as splendid by reason of this present insult. Hold, therefore, and obey."..

[pantheonsofgaynessanddespair]

this happened homer told me himself

[vor-leser]

redrew that one pottery painting with my own designs >:)

[jugganautism]

cassandra of troy design 🌚 specifically for paris the musical

[hikar-y]

Book 16 of the iliad be like

[iktend]

“I’d like to be a hero though, I think I could do it.”

✧ ✦ ✧

part two.

[re-kyba]

Book 5 of the iliad

[stressedonlaurels]

also people seem to be interpreting this as will reading the trials of apollo, i didn't mean that, but damn that's also funny