#He's just. a man to be dunked on.
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divineandmajesticinone · 6 months ago
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THE HEART KILLERS (2024) I EP. 3 "I want you. Nothing more than that."
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bumblingbabooshka · 6 months ago
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Thinking about marriage/women's rights on Vulcan Some may think that T'Pring not being allowed to divorce Spock was because he was going through the pon farr but if she were allowed to divorce him at all she probably would have done that a long time ago, confirmed by T'Pol when she's speaking with Koss, who isn't suffering from the pon farr. She says that he can choose another mate (without invoking a fight it seems: note the difference between a 'mate' and a 'challenger') and after he makes it clear that nothing she says will change his mind about marrying her, she finally threatens to declare a kal-if-fee. It's clear that Vulcan women cannot divorce/refuse to marry a man they've been betrothed to under any circumstances if A) He himself doesn't consent to ending their marriage or B) She doesn't have someone else waiting in the wings to be given to in his stead. Though, if the challenger she selects fails to win the fight, she'll have to marry her betrothed anyway unless (again) he decides he doesn't want her after the challenge. That seems like an incredibly unfair system, heavily biased towards men. SNW is an alternate universe in many obvious respects but most egregiously in that T'Pring has a lot of non-canonical agency over her relationship with Spock. It's interesting to me that Vulcan society has women in many positions of power and treats women as equal to men from what I've seen despite these laws. We don't really see Vulcans exhibiting a misogynistic attitude towards women in general but in TOS (perhaps because of its general writing style but it's still interesting to note) both Sarek and Spock take on patriarchal attitudes specifically regarding wives. Amanda says that 'of course' Sarek commands her because "he is a Vulcan and I am his wife." It's worthwhile in my eyes to note that she specifies 'wife' instead of attributing this attitude to women as a whole. Again, with TOS' writing style it wouldn't be out of place for her to say "he is a man and I am a woman." Spock, while in a pon farr induced irritation, states that it's "undignified for a woman to play servant to a man that isn't hers" - again implying that there's something specific about being a Wife in Vulcan society which is different from being a woman in general and demands subservience to a husband. This could perhaps stem from the extreme sense of ownership that Vulcan law has permitted men to have over women. A woman legally cannot point blank refuse marriage. There is no option which guarantees she won't have to marry her betrothed other than death. When T'Pau speaks of T'Pring she refers to her as being 'property' and Stonn, before being interrupted, states he's made 'the ancient claim' - we don't know what this is because he gets cut off but it's obvious they're both using the language of Vulcan law. Men are permitted true freedom to choose. If a woman wants to choose someone else to be with there is no option available to her other than the kal-if-fee which might result in the death of the one she wants to be with. And, if her lover fails, her husband can still just decide he wants to marry her and she'll be forced to. T'Pring gives two scenarios: One where Spock 'frees' her and one where he doesn't - it's still ultimately his decision which is clear when he ends the conversation with "Stonn, she is yours." This again isn't just because of the pon farr as T'Pol also goes through this. Koss can choose another mate and when the option is talked about there's no implication that this would result in any sort of fight (both by the casualness of its mention and by the fact that there's no formal word for it unlike the kal-if-fee.) Also, the fact that Koss does eventually grant T'Pol a divorce and it's all fine means that T'Pol isn't lawfully required to have another man waiting if her HUSBAND doesn't want her. It's ONLY required if SHE doesn't want her husband. Tradition must take precedence over individual desire UNLESS!!! You're a man. Then it's fine. Like, your parents might not be happy but legally you're golden.
#as a note do NOT read the comments on any T'Pol marriage clips on youtube they're full of 'haha women amiright' jokes about#how she's leading Trip on and being a bitch for not choosing him etc - if you become interested in female characters you learn#quickly just how much people still hate women displaying any amount of complexity/doing anything that isn't just falling into a man's arms#even if that hatred doesn't take the form of outright vitriol (aka: 'I feel so sad for Trip bc T'Pol's marrying some other guy')#Trip: T'Pol listen this arranged marriage stuff is no good - you've gotta be free! You have to do what YOU want to do!#T'Pol: -legally seen as property of her husband in the eyes of the law- ...............#<- not dunking on Trip it's just funny how easy it makes it seem - but!! He doesn't know all the facts#as evidenced by him saying T'Pol might 'call off the wedding' to her mother - T'Pol can't legally call off shit#It's also interesting how gender isn't really mentioned in any of the clips I've seen - it's very clear to me that T'Pol has no options#specifically because she's a WOMAN within her culture but that's almost like a quiet undercurrent and not focused on as a main#point of dissatisfaction - which I imagine it 1000% would be for Vulcan women when men have infinitely more freedom#Vulcan Man: I don't wanna marry this lady#Vulcan Law: Ok#Vulcan Woman: I don't wanna marry this guy#Vulcan Law: Noted. So - if you and your lover are willing to risk his life there's a chance (if he wins) that you can get out of marrying#him BUT if your husband kills your lover and still wants to marry you you DOOO have to marry him sorry you just gotta#<- this also makes it incredibly dangerous to in any way warn your legal husband that a kal-if-fee might be incoming#the element of surprise is a HUGE advantage when it comes to winning a fight to the death (which your lover can train for)#Vulcans#T'Pol#T'Pring#star trek#I don't think this is bad necessarily (as a fictional worldbuilding thing) but I wish it were explored more#It's especially interesting because it's an aspect of logical Vulcan society - it's clearly not logical but it's also clearly rooted deeply#in tradition which may mean Vulcan long ago used to have a much more extreme gender bias towards the male population#it just implies a lot that Vulcan has these old laws which are unfair towards women yet they still follow BUT women are treated as equal#citizens OUTSIDE of marriage! Maybe there was a feminist movement before? Is there another brewing? Where are the Vulcan feminists!
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sforzesco · 2 years ago
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DO NOT BE AFRAID
this is combining Ovid's Heroides and the Excidium Troie because I can't stop thinking of Hermes telling him not to be afraid. what the fuck!! Ares is wearing the crown that Paris gave him.
I have. thoughts. about Paris. he's almost got this Troilos parallel in my mind, that the event that defines him in detail exists in a lost narrative that we don't have (the Cypria), but everyone else knew. the event that defines Troilos is his death (murdered, butchered by Achilles, the violence of which haunts everything after. Achilles, child killer, you can't escape that!), and the event that defines Paris is the Judgement. what's a lost text but a kind of grave!!
idk I don't think that Paris before the Judgement would recognize himself after bc when you become god touched, it rearranges your guts. you become transformed in the worst way possible! how could you recognize yourself! but I also think that all the Parises after the Judgement would recognize each other because that event is so locked into the trauma of war and the scar it leaves on the land, it's like a scar on the narrative too. it exists like this forever, over and over again, so you exist like that forever too. Troy collects grief and despairs.
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Troy as trauma: Reflections on intergenerational transmission and the locus of trauma, Andromache Karanika
and Paris is like. a miserable little god/corpse-puppet or something, like a match for the gods to throw onto gasoline.
The Excidium Troie + Ovid's Heroides:
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Excidium Troie, trans. Muhammad Syarif Fadhlurrahman
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Ovid, Heroides 16 (trans. Harold Isbell)
a collection of things regarding Paris that made me go 😬 but under a cut bc this is getting. very long.
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The Divine Twins in Early Greek Poetry, Corolla Torontonensis
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Iliad 24 and the Judgement of Paris, C.J. Mackie
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Elegy and Epic and the Recognition of Paris: Ovid "Heroides" 16, Elizabeth Forbis Mazurek
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Ennian Influence in "Heroides" 16 and 17, Howard Jacobson
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Paris/Alexandros in the "Iliad", I. J. F. de Jong
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cybertron-after-dark · 6 months ago
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Optimus Primes + how they would react to you telling them your preferred name and pronouns
G1: "hello (chosen name). I am Optimus." He is TAKING that chance for a "dad joke," as he hears Spike call it, but he'll make it clear right after that he'll be committing that information to his memory banks. He will offer to reintroduce you to the Autobots all at once with your "updated specs," as he calls it, but understand that meeting will be as painfully awkward as it is sweet.
Primal: He's honored you felt safe enough to come to him with this. Especially since renaming yourself after a new transformation and announcing it to those around you is a Maximal tradition. He's fascinated and ecstatic that there are humans with an experience so similar, and he'll start to wonder whether his kind picked it up from Earth after the Great War in the first place.
RiD01: Not above making a deadpan one-liner or a terrible pun about your name. Supportive, but very casual about the whole thing. It doesn't change a lot for him, you'll always be a trusted human ally.
TFA: He doesn't really register the significance of being let in on this information at first. He'll pick up if you're nervous about something but he won't really understand why it's eating at you. It's just a name, don't those change all the time? But still, he'll have the sense to try to ease your worry and tell you he's "glad to meet you- er, again."
TFP: He is so proud of you, and you'll get the warmest, softest smile you've seen in your life from him. If you allow for it, he'd like to hear about the significance of your new name. What it means, what drew you to it, what humans associate it with. And if your pronouns are less common and he hasn't heard of them before now, that'll spark his curiosity like nothing else, and he'll happily descend into the research rabbit hole.
Cyberverse: Will fumble a bit to try to read how you're feeling about all this so he'll know how to approach. Will be awkward no matter how he tries to play it, but very, very accepting. You're far from the first of his allies to go through such a change.
Bonus
Bayverse: do not approach. Unclear if he's transphobic, but he'll take your face off no matter what you identify as.
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danwhobrowses · 9 months ago
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You know, as much as I would've loved a massive catharsis-led triumph over Athion Zathuda in battle, possibly left at the mercy of the vibrant flames of Fearne's Titan form reiterating herself with aplomb as Fearne Calloway, I actually kinda love how the narrative chose to defeat him. In many ways it is just hilarious, but also ironically in-character. Man talked all about wanting to prove himself, had a grandiose title of 'Sorrowlord' and was looking to be both a physical and mental adversary after threatening to torment Fearne into becoming Exaltant by targeting her loved ones. But then when he is pit against Bells Hells he barely does a thing; he tries to talk his way into turning Fearne again, gets jumpscared by Ira, the 'farm girl' he mocked to Fearne commandeers his dragon, he loses a leg and is thrown off his dragon, and the Hells even opt to keep him alive for some reason in 107 before kinda accidentally offing him in 108.
He thought he was the shit, but enemies of true threat like Ludinus, Otohan and Liliana (a threat before she was turned) looked down on him, and thus his attempts to prove them wrong - while also falling into the same trap as Ashton's father in seeking out a personal destiny and being willing to see their child as a tool to do it - bore no fruit at all, he was practically an afterthought through and through, his dragon really being his entire threat level. In the end, he got killed running (well, hobbling) away, and while Gloamglut's keening was a little sad in a way that a pet cannot fathom the moral complexity of having to kill their owner he still had it coming, plus following his eternal torture in the Tiki Bar of Ligament Manor, the last sorrow he wrought was his own; he achieved nothing, everything he hints he did to get to his position was for naught, and for all the fear and danger he tried to make himself possess he truly had no power over anyone, especially not Fearne - who can only pity him and, as further proof of being better than he ever was, hope that he takes the time to reflect on his sorrows.
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qiu-yan · 11 months ago
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guardian-angle22 · 2 years ago
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Tarlos Wedding Celebration Event [Week 11] -> favorite background or underrated moment(s)-> TK making Carlos a snack in 3.11
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joongdunking · 2 days ago
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"Breakfast at 9:30 na mueng" = It's noon already and you still haven't left your room 5553533535525555
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Spill more! 👀 What did they do till really late
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Oh? He's heading back already.. After 12 hours or so.. He went all the way there just to have dinner with Dunk but fail to have breakfast together and snap a few photos? WOW
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Joong really set the standard high up.!!
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rowyndodendron · 24 days ago
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Clocking Niobe is Agamemnon's grandmother adds a whoooole new layer of wtf to the preexisting MOUNTAIN of wtf that was Artemis being like "murder ur daughter or no sailing for u" @ Agamemnon in Aulis.
Per Homer's Iliad Niobe, for those unaware, was a queen who had 6 sons and 6 daughters. This led her to boast that her pussy game was way better than Leto, the mother of Apollo and Artemis, as she only had 2 kids to Niobe's 12.
As you may expect Apollo and Artemis were really normal about this and responded appropriately. Apollo killed all of Niobe's sons while Artemis killed all of her daughters in punishment. Niobe herself became a rock, forever weeping.
SO YEH. THAT'S FUN.
Now just imagining Agamemnon trying to pray to Artemis to maybe, uhhhhh, NOT make me murder my own child for ur special deer???
And she just goes: be grateful I take only one.
#Agamemnon#iphigenia#artemis#niobe#the iliad#rowyn reads the iliad#artemis said: fuck THEM kids in particular#@the line of tantalus#also adds fun new layers to Apollo being extremely anti-Greeks#“oh that's Menelaus that's that bitch Niobe's grandkid!”#“hah! fuck ur wife! oh wait Paris already did. nice job Paris high five lmfao”#homer#tagamemnon#LISTEN IM HAVING SOME ISSUES WITH ILIAD!AGAMEMNON CANONICALLY KILLING IPHIGENIA#LIKE THIS MAN SAYS HE'S GONNA BAIL ON THE WAR LIKE 3 TIMES IN THE SPACE OF THE ILIAD#AND THAT'S JUST BECAUSE EVERYONE IS GETTING EEPY AND A BUNCH OF RANDO SOLDIERS ARE DYING OR WHATEVER#and yeah i GET they've been there 10 years at that point so the eepyness is REALLY setting in#but also !?!?!? u cant just willy-nilly add DAUGHTER SACRIFICE to a man's canon like that!?#wtf euripides!!!!!#which part of mister “wine sack dog's eyes deer's heart” made u go: 'ah yes. this looks like the kind of man who would murder his child'#pls be serious for a second here#he cries into his wine abt having to give back Chryseis and in his tantrum yoinks briseis#but then never beds her and swears like 12 oaths to that. like ive never seen a man insist SO HARD that he did NOT have sex actually#and he gives her back with a king's ransom in gifts and the hand in marriage of a daughter and land and titles for achilles!?#and he does that after like a few DAYS!? come on euripy#achilles sneezed and he folded like a lawn chair#look me in the eyes. this man is a pathetic wet (via being dunked in wine) cat. THIS AINT IT#and im All About The Angst okay i can definitely see him getting there. but all accounts of the story make it seem so CASUAL#“artemis said 'no wind for u buddy' so Agamemnon said 'kay. Iphigenia come here artemis said i gotta stab u lol soz'”#I EXAGGERATE BUT ALSO NOT THAT MUCH. Iliad!Agamemnon would Not. and if he had would N E V E R suggest leaving the war unwon
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bird-inacage · 9 months ago
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HAPPY BIRTHDAY FIRST | The Heart Killers Quartet on Set
(This gives us a lovely little sneak peek of the retro diner, which looks on point if I may say). And First is utterly scrumdiddlyumptious in his Kant get-up, with his hair all pushed back?? How he can channel this insane swagginess, and still have the sweetest aura at the same time, I dunno how such a man exists.
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yes-no-maybe-soo · 2 months ago
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Me when thinking about how it's only two weeks until Sylus' birthday and even less until the event and Chaotic Velocity
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secriden · 7 months ago
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still trying to decide which one was more unhinged:
joong "slaps a giant bow on his chest and declares that he is dunk's birthday present" archen
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fort "brings 26 gifts for p'peat's 26th birthday to make up for all the ones i missed" thitipong
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[full video with eng subs]
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xxplastic-cubexx · 6 months ago
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brother joked about magneto getting a volleyball skin in rivals and i almost passed out
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daily-hanamura · 1 year ago
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ayrennaranaaldmeri · 11 months ago
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ok ok its my fault for being on reddit but r/houseofthedragon rn full of people arguing that demon and his 99% neck lizard have a stronger bond than aegon and sunfyre and it's so fucking frustrating that its entirely condolt's fucking fault that this is even a fucking argument because he thinks the greatest bond between a dragon and his rider to ever go that fucking hard in this universe is pRopaganda and gives dae mon and car ax es more screentime. i'm just so fucking done man. never showed us sunfyre TRULY until it was time for demon jr the anime edgelord to attack him and aegon, never get the fact that sunfyre is literally on aegon's arms, never got the coronation flying, DIDN'T GET ANYTHING UNTIL IT WAS TIME TO FUCK HIM UP FOR THE PLOT.
i wish this mf would get fucking fired before he has a chance to touch these two anymore because I don't think i can handle how he will underplay and butcher the fact that this dragon literally fought tooth and claw with a broken wing to find his way back to his rider.
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fiftysevenacademics · 4 months ago
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My guilty pleasure is falling down these gossip holes from time to time. I haven't seen Gong Jun in anything other than Word of Honor, in which I think he was really, really good. The savagery of some of these comments is kind of delicious though. Ouch!
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